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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Of course tectonically Thutmose 11 he was really Thutmose 111 because Moses was originally Thutmoses 11 until he gave up his right to that throne and all Titles then went to his adoptive mothers husband hence he became Thutmose 11 in place of Moses. Yet he would have been Thutmose 111 if Moses had no children.
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Psst.....Silkworm
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Come along
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Kayyam 
Undergraduate Joined: 21 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Sunni) Posts: 1134 |
You are on
the hook and no smoke screen is getting you off it. How many inscriptions
in stone have I given you that identify Hatshepsut? Sorry, there is
simply no record of Nefure being one of her names. |
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Kayyam you bragged: You are on the hook and no smoke screen is getting you off it. How many inscriptions in stone have I given you that identify Hatshepsut? Sorry, there is simply no record of Nefure being one of her names.
Starjade says: Stop deluding yourself that you have got
one over on Starjade. You are clearly shirking and are a Kuffar.
Researchers disagree with you and I have already spoken on the matter
of the name Nefure Hatshepsut. You are wrong speaking as if Nefure
is not a known name for the daughter of Hatshepsut and either way it
was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not his wife.
So you have not been able to dispute that error that exists in the Koran.
Starjade says: I have no ego and I have no pride. I am an Alien resident and am not like you humans. Clearly as I have pointed out there are many names for Nefure Hatshepsut the daughter of Thutmose 1 and I have done a bellyful of research on that matter already. That is why I can say it was the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses not his wife as the Koran is claiming. So you start getting your facts right and stop using non-archaeologists as your source of data. As I have called Nefure Hatshepsut by the name of Nefure then clearly that is her name and I have also given you other names for that same daughter of Thutmose 1. So get over the fact you are the one in error and move on.
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Come on Kuffar Kayyam admit that the daughter of Thutmose 1 was not married when she adopted Moses. So she was not the wife of any Pharaoh. She was the daughter of the Co regent and eventual main ruling pharaoh Thutmose 1 when she adopted Moses. Can you dispute that fact. Come on admit it you cannot. So it is you who is in the bind and I have shown that the Koran is in error to claim that it was the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses. You and the Koran are caught out by Egyptian history. Even you admit she was the daughter of the Pharaoh so it is hard for you to dispute. You are shirking those facts and those right hard core questions coming from the much loved Doomsday prophet Starjade. And you are afraid of even mentioning those 11 Chapters of the Koran that glorify Jesus. You know as well as I do that you cannot defend the Koran on that matter. Every Muslim on this Planet knows they are going to bite the dust for they cannot explain away those 11 Chapters of errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Come on say after me Kuffar kayyam. Starjade is the Lord King of the apocalyptic Castle and Islam and Christianity have certainly bitten the dust. There is nothing like a bit of God given Revelations to brighten up the day is there. ? __________________ |
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Starjade
says: As I have already said to you Kayyam. The first mention of her name apparently came by Manetho in 250 BC, who discovered her name mentioned in the secret documents of the temples. However, he mis-named her and mixed her with "Ahmose-Nefertary", her great grandmother and wife of "Ahmose I". With the later closure of temples during the Roman Empire, Hatshepsut was forgotten once again, to be remembered only during the 19th century AD, with the study of her temple at el-Deir el-Bahary. So
then this name Nefure still has some standing. I do not have those
documents to show to you but if you research this matter with your interest
in history that should confirm the matter shouldn�t it. However
nobody but you calls her bobby sue. Whereas there are a lot who
do call her Nefure Hatshepsut. I am one of them.
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Originally posted by Starjade
Originally
posted by silkworm
Starjade says:
Now come on Silkworm there is no point in spitting out obscenities that
nobody but a camel pee drinker can understand.
Oh really starjade, you drink it? Does it taste sweet, good for you buddy, you are dehydrated - BTW Those were NOT obscenities, it just said "are you drunk" and don't you have nothing else to do. So you were right only a camel pee drinker could have reached to the "juice". Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright untill then you hear them speak |
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Silkworm you said: Oh really starjade, you drink it? Does it taste sweet, good for you buddy, you are dehydrated - BTW Those were NOT obscenities, it just said "are you drunk" and don't you have nothing else to do. So you were right only a camel pee drinker could have reached to the "juice".
Starjade says: Oh well then if it was not sneaky obscenities then
that�s ok then. I apologise. Actually I am not drunk and rarely
drink alcohol. I prefer other substances to get off my box with.
The living God gave us all a wonderful plant and fungi kingdom.
So one such indulge.
Muhammad advice the congregations to drink Camel pee instead of
water and so I was being cheeky.
And yes I do have many things to do and I do them as well.
I am right busy. I am here because Muslims goaded me to challenge
Islam with my God given Revelations and those who challenged me shirked
when they bit the dust. Over 1000 Muslims goaded me then bit the
dust and then they shirked that Challenge when they lost and they shirked
by deception and so my anger blazed. Now I challenged the whole
of Islam and not just those few and it is better these matters are reasoned
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Kayyam you said: Thutmose was the birthname of the three pharaoh's you mention. Historians annotate the I, II or III to their names to keep them straight (and they use Roman not Arabic numerals!). Thutmose I sired Hatshepsut and Thutmose II by two different wives. When he died, Thutmose II took over and Hatshepsut married him to become the queen. They had a son, Thutmose III, who was still a boy when Thutmose II died. Hatshepsut was supposed to be interim regent until his adulthood, but instead she made herself pharaoh. Starjade says: The inscriptions found in temples and tombs indicate that the "Thutmoses" name is indicative of one of the offices of the pharaoh, just as was the "Amenhotep" name-and that each pharaoh was both a "Thutmoses" as well as an "Amenhotep" as he advanced in the royal line from co-regent to ruling Pharaoh King. The crown prince received his "Thutmoses" title upon being appointed co-regent, and then became "Amenhotep" in addition to his earlier names, when he became ruling Pharaoh King. Not only was "Thutmoses" also to become "Amenhotep" he, as main ruling Pharaoh King of all Egypt, was also titled "Rameses". Kayyam you said: Kayyam quote: They had a son, Thutmose III, who was still a boy when Thutmose II died. Hatshepsut was supposed to be interim regent until his adulthood, but instead she made herself pharaoh. Starjade says: Now the point I want to make here is a comment you made that Thutmose 11 and his wife Nefure Hatshepsut had a son and he was Thutmose 111. Technically Thutmose 11 was Thutmose 111 for he gained the Title Thutmose 11 from Moses who had fled Egypt after all, at that Time Moses was the Crown prince. However, there is a religious point you are missing. Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. Starjade says: According to the Old Testament and the Koran. The first born were all smitten down dead. So any first born son of Thutmose 11 would not have survived as you and your non archeologist�s sources claim. So that discrepancy has appeared in your writings and your non archeologist�s theories and opinions. Starjade says: Are you then making the claim that the words of your non archeologists sources stand higher than Old Testament text or Koranic text. For according to religious doctrines the first born son of the Pharaoh Thutmose 11 was smitten down dead during the plagues upon Egypt. I further add that according to religious doctrines Thutmose 11 was drowned in the Red Sea. Koranic accounts do say his body was recovered yet if all had followed the Hebrews into the Red Sea I just wonder who was around to give details of those accounts other than those Hebrews who walked out of the other side of the Red Sea.? Starjade says: I suggest before you go making such bold comments on religious and Egyptian history you might start to consider those religious doctrines accounts for your claims are insisting that those religious doctrines accounts are wrong. That claim of yours regarding Thutmose 111 cannot be true if the statements in the Old Testament or the Koran were true. The first born son of Thutmose 11 would have been smitten down dead. As at that Time Thutmose 11 as a Title was taken from Moses then any first born son would have been Thutmose 111 if that child by a concubine was allowed to be Crown prince. Starjade says: However in conjecture on this scenario. Thutmose 111 was smitten down dead in the plagues of Egypt. Thutmose 11 drowned in the Red Sea as the religious doctrines do give accounts of. That meant nobody was in any position to stop Nefure Hatshepsut the daughter of Thutmose 1 and of royal blood from becoming Queen Pharaoh of Egypt especially in those dire Times and with the backing of the priests and Magicians of the temple. What is more as they lived as Gods above the people who would not know them personally? Nefure Hatshepsut dressed as a man and continued the deception. Now, that is the more likely scenario then the ridicules claims that you and your non archeologists have made. Starjade says: Now this matter has been settled by Egyptian history. It was the daughter of Thutmoses 1 who adopted Moses not his wife. The Koran is in error. That matter has been established and so to continue to ignore those facts is your shirk. Starjade says: Now let us all have a good belly laugh at your attempts to explain away why Muhammad believed in Jesus and why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Bearing in mind that the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being is that very specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews. That Prophet to the Nation. Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words. Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua): By the Christian ordained minister Iris. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/jesumoses1.html Starjade says: Bearing in mind the claims of Muhammad and that Muhammad believed in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. (cough) erm which Prophet was it again that Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being.? Starjade says: I am sure you will consider those facts and will not dare make any reply on those 11 Chapters of errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. No Muslim on this Planet can make any sound reply to those 11 chapters of errors found in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad and of the errors found in the claims of Muhammad and the Koran and so as the Sura 4:82 states very clearly. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein?
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Stuck for an
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And YO Dr. Deen
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Moses led the
Hebrews into the Red Sea whiles the Doomsday Prophet Starjade leads
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tectonically 
was a spelling mistake (sorry) it was meant to be Technically.
I
have to write fast to reply to the multitudes and occasionally spelling
errors can occur. Sometimes word changes those words themselves
for others and I do not notice. Its those danged Americans they
say Tomato when everyone else says Tomato. 
Anyhow thought I would mention it as it as i just noticed it and
it just clicked during a read through. 
By the
way in English what did you say. 
