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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Rachel25
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Witness #1
LOL watch out, Traveller, you're gonna start sounding like Salah soon!
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scruggnut 
Graduate Joined: 07 February 2006 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Religion: None Posts: 1277 |
Bill, consider me witness #1. Starjade is looney; but she makes me laugh, so she's not all bad. Ok, i'll be #2.
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Rachel25 
Super Mureed Joined: 22 February 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 3098 |
Well, yeah. Stargate is too busy for the likes of you. Sorry, you're doomed.
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Rachel you said: Starjade, since you're a time-traveller, space alien, you have no problem getting somewhere fast, right? Starjade says: That is true at certain Times. Rachel you said: Why don't you joint me for coffee right now. Yes, now. I'm sure since you're connected to God and all, you know where I live. Or, should I give you my addy? Anyway, come over now. Coffee, tea, hot chocolate, or just for a chat. Come on. Now. Starjade says: My connection to the living God is a personal thing. You are presumptuous to think that God even knows your name. Besides I am the kind of Soul who likes to walk in shadows.
Rachel you said: Um, so you're NOT coming over for coffee? Starjade says: Nope. :) I am too busy writing. I do not astral travel at will as you suggest but sometimes I do. Why do you feel you cannot chat here. My email address is on the End of Times website if I was banished and I write on a lot of forums where freedom of speech is respected. So if you wanted a chat then there is nothing stopping you is there. __________________ |
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Scruggnut you said: I believe that there is something not quite normal about you, starjade; Starjade says: Your beliefs are correct I am not normal I am paranormal and even then more than that. Scruggnut you said: but i'm not sure that i would term it "paranormal".... Starjade says; Perhaps phenomenally paranormal. Or lets just say the Chosen one. :) Scruggnut you said: I think it's more like "notanormal"; or, "sofarfromnormal", or, and this is my favourite "normalifyouconsiderbeingcompletelywackynormal". Starjade says; Now come on you just made that up. It sounds daft as well. I prefer my own definition. It is the wiser. Scruggnut you said: Yeah, destroy me too, starjade....or at least give me genital herpes or something. Starjade says: My silence can destroy this entire planet os some who live upon it. As for your descriptions of your personal problems they are your own concern. You should take up a hobby instead of chasing after harlets. Say why not take up a religion that could keep you on the straight and narrow even though it did not help many others. Scruggnut you said: If you make peaceful revolution impossible; violent revolution is inevitable. Starjade says: peace cannot always be achieved by war so try some understanding.
Starjade says: You brag you are learning yet your teachers did not teach you that Kings are males. You must have been a dunce. As you said what do you know anyways. Starjade says; it appears not a lot.
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Eternity you said: steady, The issue is not idolizing Mohammad(SLM). If someone called my mother a whore in front of me, I�d have a thing or two to say. My reaction in that case shouldn�t be considered idolizing my mother. We revere Mohammad(SLM) just like any other prophets. Drawing cartoons portraying him as a terrorist may be considered �exercising the secular intellect� but it�s considered insulting to Muslims. Starjade says: If I said Elvis is a bad singer his idolaters would moan. If I insulted someone�s mother unjustly then of course they would have a right to moan. But just wait a minute here I think you are in error of thought. I searched out that cartoon that caused Muslims to riot and rampage and kill. It was just pix of some guy in a turban and did not even look like Muhammad. But I do not think the cartoon was a representation of Muhammad himself. It was more a reflection of how Islam and its followers are seen today. Do not blame the artist who reflects those thoughts into pictures. Blame the Islamic suicide bombers who hijack planes and fly them into buildings screeching Allah under their breath or the suicide Bomber who blows up civilian targets of defenseless men women and children. They are what that cartoon was about. How Islam is seen in the eyes of the world today whiles you brag you have a perfect religion of peace and tranquility. I say and they say do not piss down our backs then say it is raining. Look around you as Muslims attack Muslims and they kill their Imams and blow up their Mosques and you think the rest of the world is not going to look at you and comment on that behavior. So this is why folk draw picture of men in turbans as the Middle east is giving a bad reflection of itself. And do not misunderstand me. I am not Judging any points or reasons of war. Just the acts. Eternity you said: One of the absurd notions of these fanatical secularists is that they�d like to tell the Muslims how we should feel and react to their secular fanaticism. Starjade says: plain English please. Perhaps you Muslims should realize that much of the western world is full of Christians and they have a history of bloodshed that makes you Muslims look like novices. That is what Islam is going up against and Christians do not mind a bit of bloodshed as long as it is someone else�s. They also have killed civilian men women and defenseless children. Only they have been at it longer. Eternity you said: Muslims have much to learn as well. Muslims first have to learn not to fall into their trap which they did this time. Muslims have to realize that to fanatical secularists, there is nothing called �Sacred� except their own self. Starjade says: Sounds very much like the Christians to me. Seems the whole world is self centered. Whatever happened to a thing called community. Eternity you said: These people are not willing to accept the way Muslims think about religious issues. They feel that it�s their right to tell the Muslims how to think. Starjade says: Curiously that is the way Muslims and Christian think each blowing off at the mouth about their own religious beliefs. Christians believe Jesus is that Deuteronomy Prophet and Muslims think Muhammad is that Deuteronomy Prophet and so there is forever going to be that conflict. Of course the much loved Doomsday Deuteronomy prophet Starjade can easily diffuse those arguments. And as the living God said to me you should hearken then I am the only one with any true right to speak. And to my astonishments other cultures are bending over backwards to accommodate the Islamic religion which tactically in my view is an error on their part and leaves them wide open to attack. But as it is not my business then what they do is not of any real interest to me as I have my own agendas.
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Starjade says: Not according to the laws of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet I am not. My credentials can be proven in accordance with the Deuteronomy laws of the living God and I am established as being genuine and my words do stand good and I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity or sin. I have never presented myself as being an apostle of Allah. I have openly pointed out that Muhammad shortened the name of Hubal al�ilah which is a Pagan moon god and left the Al�ilah but shortened it into one word which is Allah. Do your research if you did not know this information. Islamic scholars will confirm what I say as being true. I have made it very clear that I have come from the Living White Sphere of Kether that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. (which is the living God of Abraham and of Moses. This is my God the one true Living God) UmmZakariah you said: We accept the Qur'an as being the kalaam of Allah. Nothing u say is going to convince us otherwise. Starjade says: well excuse me for correcting you but are you a Muslim or not. If you are a Muslim then you are bound by Islamic law and you accept the words of the Koran. There is a challenge in the religion of Islam that is open to all Muslims and non Muslims. The Challenge of the Sura 4:82. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than allah then surly they would have found much discrepancy therein. Of course the Allah claimed as in being the supreme God is meant to be the living God of Abraham and of Moses. I am sure we all agree this is what is meant. Despite the history of Habul al�ilah the pagan moon god. The challenge of the Sura 4:82 of the Koran is clear. If just one error is found in the Koran then the Koran does not come from God and the Koran itself admits that fact. This fact also shows Muhammad is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. As you are painfully aware I have named many errors found in the Koran. The errors were found to be undisputable and you saw I gave Muslims opportunity to dispute those errors found in the Koran and they could not. I am talking of all the Muslims bar one error which was about bees making honey from its stomach. That was disputed successfully in my view but that still left over 500 more including Starjades 21 concise errors found in the Koran. So then many discrepancies and errors are found in the Koran and those errors were not sent by God and if just one error is found in the Koran then that is the Sura 4:82 proof that the Koran did not come from God and it is the Koran making that statement I am just repeating its message. So then you do not have any choices here unless you want to be seen ignoring Islamic law and the words of the Sura 4:82 of the Koran and Deuteronomy laws. And be seen to be following a false Prophet and a false God of that false Prophets imagination. You and every other Muslim must by Islamic law reject the Koran and the words of Muhammad which are established by the Sura 4:82 to not come from God. Understand you are not given any choices.
UmmZakariah you said: ever heard the saying...pride comes before a fall? Starjade says: Yes I have heard that expression and I have seen every Muslim and every Christian and others take that fall and I am still here untouched as the ultimate Lord King of the Apocalyptic Castle and still you all bite the dust. Your religious experts have come to face me and they could not dispute my words and right down to the ordinary man and woman in the street all sorts have appeared and yet still they all bit the dust. If you do know of me then you know I am formidable and undefeated and no Christian, Muslim, or Jew has any hope of disputing my words. I am more religiously superior in knowledge then anyone who has ever lived on this entire planet. I really can and have always backed my mouth up and that is why I can challenge the whole of Islam and Islam bites the dust. That is why I can challenge the whole of Christianity and Christianity bites the dust. Nobody on this planet can defend Jesus or Muhammad from my God given Revelations and I challenge everyone who dares to try. Your religious leaders are powerless against my God given revelations as can clearly be seen. This is not some game I play. These are very serious matters and I have my own apocalyptic agendas. You might have seen before yet the moderator erased my opening words. I opened this thread speaking of an error existing in the Koran and I backed my mouth up, up front and showed why it was an error in the Koran and still my words are undisputed. So then my advice is never bring your pride to a religious debate with the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade because you are going to loose. That could be seen in the beginnings and I did warn everyone I am most formidable. I showed errors in the Koran right from the start of these conversations. Up front I pointed that fact out to you all as I challenged you and your religious leaders. I hid nothing. I was being like an open book.
Starjade says; Hahaha Oh I have done and dusted Islam as you well know long before I came here and spoke. The Islamic experts who taught me did a good job and they knew my intent as I am so open with my plans. I am a good Chess player too. :) Those Islamic experts who taught me the religion of Islam would eat you for breakfast. I saw them eat many other Muslims for breakfast as they came online disputing this and that. I was busy at that time studying the data those Islamic experts gave to me. And as you think yourself so clever then why have you not answered to the many errors that exist in the Koran you know I mention them on the many forums I visit. You are powerless to do that also. I have not revealed them all to you just yet. But you know I could do. To convert the Arabs the descendants of Abraham I know all I need to know. The rest is irrelevant to me after all it is your religion not mine. It was not my fault that the same Islamic law and Sura 4:82 forces the conversion of other Muslims world wide also is it. That will teach you Muslims for goading me to challenge Islam with my Revelations. You Muslims invited me to do that. Nagged at me in fact and when you Muslims lost that challenge you shirked away and by deception. Note I speak as you see in a collective view. I see one Muslim the same as the next. One Muslim on one side of this Planet speaks just the same for Islam and for the Muslim on another side of this Planet. I see Muslims as a collective. Oddly at that Time I was thinking of ways to convert the Arabs as well so it was an eye opener when I was challenged with the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. All the Revelations that came before me just unfolded and I am a fast learner. Now Islam is done and dusted and you are in no position to dispute that fact. The Islamic experts who taught me all about Islam kept the Sura 4:82 away from me as they saw at that Time I was already pointing out errors in the Koran incidentally on other matters that they had revealed to me. They did not mention the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah either which from their viewpoint I see as being the wise but you cannot keep secrets from me as I always find them out. The Living God and others off world planned my paths and I am sure now they smirk with satisfaction as they see those paths unfold. UmmZakariah you said: It doesn't work like that. You have a few arguments under your belt, all easily refuted. Bring to this site those who have been convinced of your arguements and allow them to explain to us why they have followed a self proclaimed prophet such as yourself. Starjade says: The Living God guides my paths I reasoned out all these things by myself I became the expert. And it does work as easily as that. Simplicity itself. Islamic law forces Muslims to reject what is not true and accept what is true. The Sura 4:82 states if one error is found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. That fact proves Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes that I do have God given authority to speak in the name of the living God and God said to me you should hearken. That same Deuteronomy law of Ch 19 v15 already establishes that Jesus and Muhammad were frauds even without the Sura 4:82 and all are bound by Deuteronomy law as brought down from the Living God by Moses himself. Think about all of that. Deuteronomy law is the actual word of the living God and as anyone will tell you I quote that law most often. The word of God is always in my mouth. Or do you not believe in Moses or the living God. Other Muslims do. Simple task to do all of this and I do it oh so very well. You have seen Muslims and maybe even the Christians and some Jews yackle at me with their opinions and you have seen them bite the dust. I am formidable as many on the Internet know. Is there a Muslim here who can dispute my words then. Go bring him, bring your Imams and all your religious leaders. Watch as they bite the dust. I am formidable and phenomenal. My reputation now precedes me. I have always advised Muslims to go and tell their Imams what has been said on the many forums I have written on as they are your Islamic scholars. They should know more than you. Go bring them online and dare them to face me. Get printouts for them to study. Hey I am responsible for so many people going to open up religious text and study it more closely than anyone else on earth. I am not self proclaimed for the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes that I am a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the Living God. Those who hearkened to me do not follow me they follow the living God. UmmZakariah I have won every debate I have ever had with everyone. Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and others all just bit the dust everyone of them. And they came at me in groups trying to back each other up and I am just one man and they were defeated. The 20 yrs Christian Minister Bruce Evans Murch still has his head buried in the ground in fear of me from over 5 yrs ago. Hahaha you should have heard his braggings. His pride took a fall as soon as I opened up my Revelations and he vanished and ran away in front of the forum he was doing his braggings on. He could not defend jesus hahaha a Christian Minister of over 20 yrs shirked away to his shame. So I have had many debates, discussions and arguments and now the world is like Deja view to me. I know what will be writ before any of you even say it. Yet it does not alter the outcome everyone bites the dust except for me. I am the Lord King of this apocalyptic Castle and the pretenders to my Throne and their followers always have bitten the Dust as I am sure you must well know for my reputation and my words precede me. I came here challenging the whole of islam and I have challenged the whole of islam and every Muslim on this web site are my witnesses. They can all come online collectively with their points of view. Yet you will not see a single Muslim in any position to dispute the many errors that exist in the Koran. I was nagged at and goaded by Muslims to challenge islam under Islamic law on an Islamic forum with over 1000 Muslims waiting to defend Islam and the Koran and Muhammad and they all lost on that very day and then they shirked away in deception and shame. None could defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad and they all bit the dust and some even converted. That Shirk from them does not end this Sura 4:82 debate. It just moves it along to other Muslims and they lose the challenge of the Sura 4:82 also. Islam is flawed and Islam has bitten the dust. Your religious leaders are going to have to face me publicly and admit defeat or deal with the consequences. No Muslim wants to be seen following a false Prophet or a false God. Some Muslims I have met in the past said if I could show them errors in the Koran they will accept my Revelations and convert. Now these were hard core cut your head off Muslims who did not like being lied to by their imams. I did show them over 500 errors so there was no doubt. The Sura 4:82 states if just one error exists in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from the Living God of Moses as Muhammad had claimed. But I felt one error is not enough to prove the fraud but 500 errors is impossible for any Muslim to dispute and be sure it has been impossible for Muslims to dispute and I talk from experience. As you read my words then realize this is not some game I am playing. I am very serious about everything I am saying. I challenged the whole of Islam and Christianity and even the blasphemous Jews. I proved in front of their faces my word is established as being true by religious law. I will not back down or retract a single word that I have said. I may show a sense of humor now and then but I do take these religious matters very seriously and I am more religious than any of you and I have more religious knowledge than anyone alive on this Planet living or dead. Even Muhammad would have to convert under these God given Revelations. So do your Imams and your Islamic religious leaders. I am someone who like Moses has a knowledge of the living God and so in me there is no religious beliefs there is only religious knowledge. I personally do not give a damn even if you all wanted to worship a stone. Just do not do so in the name of the living God or I will use my apocalyptic knowledge to drop such a stone on your head. I came to this Planet with a very Grave knowledge of the future where a Grave cataclysm will cause mass extinction to this Planets population. Only those who prepare for that grim day will have any chance of survival the rest of you will become dust. And my Time is wasted by false prophets and false god worshippers who think a bit of name calling will stop me in my wake. But as you can all see. I am the one with the power to stop all of you and your own laws and religious text help me. There is only one apocalyptic Lord King of this Deuteronomy Castle and that is the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade. And you have seen with your own eyes how others who follow the false pretenders to my Throne have all bitten the dust. You can already see you are defenseless against me and are at a loss for words other than to spuke abuse at the much loved Doomsday Prophet Starjade. Whiles now and then one amongst you comes forwards with some common sense. The Times are coming when you will all cry out for a savior. I know for I came from those future Times and I saw a way to answer your prayers and I had such mind boggling staggering plans to save millions potentially billions of you who are living in the four corners of the globe. To succeed in that, all I had to do was prove I was that prophesied Deuteronomy Prophet of Ch 18 / verses 15/18. You see the Jews have been waiting in their millions of millions for that specific prophet to come to gather them up from the four corners of the globe. As I have already shown everyone here and other places it can be established by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and I have already given details of that apocalypse with a view to an Exodus from the four corners of the globe to the Jews way back in 1995 and beyond the years 2000. Proving that I am that specific Deuteronomy Prophet really is something that I can and I did do. And I wasn�t even asking them for their opinions. They are all living in the apocalyptic, earthquake zones world wide, so if they do not hearken then they are going to be stoned to death for real. This is all self explanatory and hardly rocket science and those Deuteronomy laws bind the Jews. That conclusion means the Jews have no choice but to mass exodus from the four corners of the globe in their millions of millions. Now I did also plan a building to contain those Jews and promised them a new land that was large enough to house every Jew on earth which will arrive in the South eastern Atlantic basin next to Africa on that apocalyptic day. There they would have to build a biosphere to house them all with growing fields and hospitals and water supplies and such like. All they needed to survive that apocalypse that will cause extinction to the rest of this Planets population. My plans ran deep. I have attempted to save the lives of millions of millions of people. And my logic is unsurpassable. This brings me back to a statement that you made. [quote]UmmZakariah you said: The Last Hour will not come before there come forth thirty Dajjals (imposters), each presenting himself as an apostle of Allah.(Abu Dawood) Starjade, looks like you are one of those.[/quote] Starjade says: The Christians have the anti Christ. Hahaha yet explain to me how Deuteronomy law establishes I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity and sin. My words are established as being true by Deuteronomy law, a law brought down by Moses from the living God himself. I have attempted to save the lives of potentially billions of people living on this planet who were at that future Time crying out for a Savior. So I came along to answer their prayers. How can anyone think that is an act of evil.? It is clear I work on behalf of the living God who Prophesied I would arrive and do that very deed and it is the Living Gods Deuteronomy law that authenticates me and establishes that my word is true. And I have not even mentioned those many prophesied signs in the heavens. Or the fabricated angel Gabriel. :) The Jews of whom the religion is that we are speaking about after all it is not Christianity or Islamic. The Jews do not accept Jesus or Muhammad as being that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet. I on the other hand did not give the Jews any choice. Think on this. Neither Jesus or Muhammad attempted to gather up those Jews from the four corners of the globe and in fact that simply wasn�t possible for at those Times the Jews were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That scattering of the Jews only happened in the 19th century during the world wars. So that discounts the claims of Jesus and Muhammad. Regarding Christianity they stole statements of the apocalypse from past Old Testament Prophets and regarding Muhammad when he was asked of the End of Times he said it would grow very dark hahahaha. You do the maths. The law of Deuteronomy demands two or three witnesses in crimes of iniquity and sin. Jesus and Muhammad have no witnesses to their claims. The Sura 4:82 and the many errors in the Koran already establish the claims of Muhammad as being false. Two pretenders to my Throne have bitten the dust hahaha and you think some quotes from any false prophet can give any authenticity to your statements as if they spoke factual instead of being presumptuous to even make such statements. Muhammad did climb that Mountain to kill himself because he had gone mad you know. Or do you snort up water to flush out that Devil Muhammad says lives in the noses of Muslims in total belief that such a devil really exists. If so then just who do you think you are to talk. You already know what Deuteronomy law states who I am to talk and even the living God said to me you should hearken. It matters not really after all I did see you all die on that fated apocalyptic day. So you are all just the walking dead to me. That still did not stop me from trying to save you all. It is your false Prophets and false religious beliefs that caused you all not to hearken to my words and trust me that will be the death of you all. I have a reason to claim to be that Deuteronomy Prophet and what is more I proved I was that specific Prophet to the Jews using Deuteronomy law and so it is more than a claim but an established fact already. Did they not tell anyone tsk tsk tsk� Of course the living God did tax them and they owe trillions in Shekals to the living God that they know I would demand. You see they did not continue to save that tax and so they are in debit to the living God. Jewish law states that if a Jew is in debit then they must work for free until that debit is paid. Plus the Jews would have to abide by my apocalyptic plans which they did not seem at all keen on. I would discuss such matters but it�s a Jewish matter and you do not appear to be a Jew. So such things would be no interest to you would they. Perhaps that is why the Jews did not dare to mention me to you. They must have thought you would not be interested. :)
As for the reasons why Jesus and Muhammad made their silly claims
their reasons escapes me. I can speculate of course and would probably
be right as I am one of those annoying people who usually is right about
most things. Yet their claims are misleading the congregations
and leading the congregations astray. Why not look around the
world and see what I mean by simply looking at the behavior of those
who follow those who are presumptuous to think that they could speak
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Bill2702 you said: Deuteronomy CH 19; 15 "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established" Starjade, You quote above as proof. You interpret it to mean that if you can find three people to agree with you then it is truth? Starjade says: Actually the law is designed to determine matters of the truth especially with regards to crimes of iniquity and sin and Blasphemy is a crime of iniquity and sin. Now then look at the statements that I make. And realize that whiles I make them I am openly saying that I am the very specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 verses 15/18 prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. I have also clearly said and explained why that I am a son of the living God. I also have condemned both Jesus and Muhammad as being frauds who are the pretenders to my Throne and who are not capable or worthy to try and walk in my shoes. And I have backed my mouth up often and proved that. Now then if I was a liar then I would be guilty of the crimes of iniquity and sin a crime which is punishable by death. So understand I do not make these claims lightly and I am very serious about all that I say and I can back my mouth up otherwise I would not have said it. Now as you pointed out. If someone accuse me of Blasphemy then I must be arrested in accordance with religious laws and the matter shall then be judged diligently. Now according to the law two or three witnesses can be called to act as witnesses for or against the accused. I have already upfront named my witnesses to the Jews and it is very clear according to the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 that my power as a genuine Prophet can be established and it is also clear I do have a provable connection to the living God by religious law and it is a fact that can also be proven then in 1995 and beyond the year 2000 I have approached the descendants of Abraham with details of a future apocalypse with a view to a world wide exodus of the jews from the four corners of the globe. So then by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 it can be established that I am not guilty of any crimes of iniquity or sin and my word does stand good. This establishes by Deuteronomy law that I am who it is that I am proving by the law to be. Now that is the law but if I am not accused of any crime of iniquity and sin then it is because the religious leaders already know my words and claims stand good according to Deuteronomy law. And they just do not want to face the serious cost that Revelation unfolds and that in its turn also confirms my claims and statements which stand unchallenged. And moan as you may it is a fact that I am not the one who is guilty of any Crime of iniquity or sin. You cannot say that same thing about Jesus or Muhammad who have absolutely no witnesses at all for the claims that they have made. They are both proven to be frauds by that very same law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and they both claim they are descendants of Abraham and are bound by that same Deuteronomy law. Bill2702 you said: I disagree. I read it to mean that if there are more than one witness then there is a case to be heard. Starjade says; Well your religious leaders dare not accuse me of Blasphemy that is a fact I already know. Not only will I be able by the law to prove my word is true but there own religions fall as that conclusion is reached. That puts Jews and Christians and Muslims on the spot doesn�t it with Starjade laughing all the way to the Bank. Bill2702 you said: The subsequents verses appear to confirm. Starjade says: What do you mean appear to. Either they do or they don�t. lets take a looksee eh. I just love the laws of Deuteronomy and many have come forwards to dispute them with me. Bill2702 you said: The Deuteronomy 16: If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Starjade says: And do you not make such accusations against me. If you accuse me of any crime of iniquity and sin then you bear false witness for you do not know me and are in no position to Judge. The Deuteronomy laws Judge me not you with your opinions. Bill2702 you said: Bill2702 you said: Deuteronomy Law 17: Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; Starjade says: And of course when my witnesses appear they prove my claims are valid and that established I was not guilty of the crimes of iniquity and sin you as a false witness accused me of. Bill2702 you said: Deuteronomy Law 19:18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Bill2702 you said: Deuteronomy Law 19:19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. Starjade says; These two laws are why you should be wary of making accusations of Blasphemy against me also. Not just because I can establish my words are true by Deuteronomy witness law, but in the fact to make such false accusations against me makes you guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin. For which you also can be put to death. Deuteronomy Law 19:20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you. Starjade says: So as my word is established no more can such accusations be made against me. Deuteronomy Law 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Starjade says: Do unto others as they tried to do unto you. When I was a child I was taught that if you cut the head off a Demon then that Demon will bother you no more. Has this
greatly increased your understanding of Deuteronomy law then.?
The laws of islam by the way also quote Deuteronomy law as a Muslim
of past once showed me as he attempted to dispute that law with me and
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Bill2702 you said: Deuteronomy CH 19; 15 "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established I bear witness that Starjade is raving bonkers and makes as much sence as a chocolate kettle. Can I have three witnesses to testfy that my words are true. Starjade says: Your religious ignorance is obvious Billy boy. You cannot make requests for your false witnesses who have not been a witness to me. You would be found guilty of bearing false witness. In a religious country where religious law is upheld I would be demanding they cut your heads from your shoulders. We shall see how clever you are then. You need to be a witness to give witness Testimony and you do not even know me and so are in no position to bear witness. False witness is against the law of Deuteronomy and I have a zero tolerance for such deceptions. Look
at the way you Muslims and others behave. Do none of you have
any religious knowledge at all. Are you all sheep and old women.
Go get your religious experts and lets get a real conversation going.
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Bill2702
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But we dont live in a religious country so if you were to demand my head was removed you would be locked up (not in prison in your case). All praise to the British Constitution!!!! My religious ignorance is obvious I agree. I dont beleive any of the books are the word of god, including yours.
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Starjade
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Sura 4:82 of the Koran says: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. The challenge of the Koran which is open to all Muslims and non Muslims states that if just one error is found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God and that fact shows Muhammad to be a liar and a fraud and presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. Now Starjade is not satisfied with just finding one error even though it is true that the living God does not make errors. So in fairness Starjade searched for much more than one error that exists in the Koran at the request of Muslims. And here are a few of those discrepancies. Remind yourself that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is the proof the Koran does not come from God as Muhammad has claimed. Of course I have already proven that errors do exist in the Koran and I have not seen any of you follow Islamic law and the words of the Koran and Deuteronomy law and give an account for these errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Internal Contradictions:
Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Since this verse is claiming that there is "no contradiction / discrepancy" in the Qur'an, therefore itself has to be part of the list of contradictions because it contradicts the existence of the above listed contradictions. Now then it is clear that the Sura 4:82 challenge has been defeated and more than one error does exist in the Koran. So as the Koran states this means that the Koran does not come from God and that Muhammad is presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the living God. |
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Starjade
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Bill you said: But we dont live in a religious country so if you were to demand my head was removed you would be locked up (not in prison in your case). All praise to the British Constitution!!!! Starjade says: I find it funny you saying we do not live in a religious country and name Britain as that country hahaha yes that is for sure. But unfortunate for you some religious people do live in this country and you would be tried by religious law not civil law. Hey the Queen of England is a two faced blasphemous one and the head of the Church of England who is guilty of Blasphemy and also should have its head cut off its shoulders. But alas as you say this is not a real religious country. And I was speaking of things that should be. Even here in blasphemous Britain Civil law is based on religious law that is why on trial you still need those two or three witnesses. Bill you said: My religious ignorance is obvious I agree. I dont beleive any of the books are the word of god, including yours. Starjade
says: My own book is not far off from print with others waiting
to follow it. So you have heard then have you of my plans as a
desktop publisher to publish maps of the apocalypse along with my God
given Revelations eh.? Christianity and Islam and Judaism are
not seen in a good light. As for the laws you began speaking of
they are religious laws and that was that topic of your conversation.
If you do not understand religious law then why bother to mention it.
If you do not have any religious belief then what are you doing on a
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Starjade
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Loommmool you said: wooooooow wooooow wooow wooow wow..are saying you have abilities now???? Allright starjade: before i judge that you are crazy.. if you are really a "prophet".. show me a miracle? Starjade says: Well had you paid more attention you would have realize that I already did. Starjade has had a hand in many miracles here on earth and I did think it would take a Miracle for those blaspheming Jews to Exodus from the Four corners of the globe and so I did explain to them how I had a hand in a miracle right here on earth that can be verified by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. (My most favorite law.) The tale is already writ of course go to this link to Verse. 51. And read on. There is the Miracle you asked for that can be established as being true by the Laws of Deuteronomy. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm Loommmool you said: but wait.. i want the miracle to be my choice... i will say things and you do it... ok??? Starjade says: Oh so you want the Miracle to be your choice do you and is this because you think you are so special eh. Well I am not a puppet and I do not need you to believe in me or my abilities and so you will just have to carry on wanting wont you. Loommmool you said: i will not believe you if you didn't show me a miracle.. Starjade says: Well I have told you of a Miracle I had a hand in here on earth and who really gives a damn what you believe. I know I don�t. Loommmool you said: i will not believe you untill i finish from the things i want you to show me.untill then.. you are just crazy person.. Starjade
says: Someone with my paranormal abilities and superior religious
knowledge is far more in touch with reality than you could ever dream
in your wildest imaginations. As for you do try and understand
that you are as insignificant to me as the stench of gnats pee on a
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Bill2702
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This God of yours. If he didn't want people to have heads he should have thought of that at the begining. I shall watch out for your new books. What are you going to call it The StarJade Trilogy? Where should I look, Next to Terry Pratchet?
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