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Sura 4:82. A Tough Challenge for Islam.

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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 5:25am

 

Starjade concludes:  Now Muslims be warned.  I do not play games with religion.  I am a very serious person and all of my statements are said with very serious intent.  I have seen how you Muslims make your   accusations of Blasphemy.  You did it with Salmon Rushdie and you did it with those silly cartoons about Muhammad who is a false pretender to my Throne just as Jesus is. 

 

If you want to go to war with me be absolutely certain I will eat you all for breakfast.  Your religious leaders are fully aware of my superior religious knowledge and they dare not make those accusations of Blasphemy against me.  They know I will eat them for breakfast.  In fact you can all just tell I love these religious conflicts for I was born for this.  So be very very careful before you go making rash accusations against me and making your Blasphemy accusations. 

 

I am innocent of any such crime and I can prove it by religious law. 

 

Already I am here challenging the whole of Islam and you are all biting the Dust.  So be aware of my power and the consequences of your actions if Islam ever dares to stand against me and the words and the wishes of the one true living God.  To say I will eat you all for breakfast then would be an understatement. 

 

Remind yourselves that the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a law brought down by Moses from the living God himself.  So that law is the actual word of the living God.  You see that means the living God then is my Judge not any of you. 

 

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SJ quote}   It is not a matter for your own personal opinion.

 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said;  Its actually a matter of your personal wishes.

 

Starjade says:  Look at the things you write hafsa with your bios opinions.  At no Time have I spoke of any personal wishes.  What is true is true and what is not true are your own beliefs.  I quoted Deuteronomy law which is the actual word of the living God.  I have explained to you how that law establishes that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and that I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity or sin.  It is clear that no accusations of Blasphemy can be made against me.  I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity or sin and the law of Deuteronomy establishes my word as being true.  The law speaks for itself and is not open to interpretations.  So then shut your gob for a whiles for that is the living God speaking not me.  I am just quoting what the law says about this matter. 

 

 

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SJ quote:  Even if nobody wanted to believe the evidence that is presented.

 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said;  yes, even if your evidence is week.

 

Starjade says:  My evidence is very strong and goes beyond the claims of anyone who has lived before me.  I can be established by Deuteronomy law to be a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God who has already approached the Jews with details of a future apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of all Jews from the four corners of the globe.  The evidence I have is powerful and satisfies religious law. 

 

Nobody living or dead could make that claim and be proven to be telling the truth by Deuteronomy law.  Muhammad and Jesus have no witnesses to their claims and their own acts and deeds did not even include the gathering up of the Jews or of that detailing of that future apocalypse.  My evidence stands stronger than theirs and be sure every religious expert CAN EASILY SEE THAT.  Those who cannot knew nothing and were not in a position to speak.  You do not even comprehend how easily their fabricated religions fall.  You have your head in the sand.  

 

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If that law is fulfilled, then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious law. So then if anyone of any Time period accuses Muhammad of the crime of blasphemy because of his claims then that is a crime of iniquity and sin and he could be arrested and charged with that crime.  Upon diligent investigations by religious law it would easily be determined from the claims of Muhammad that he has absolutely no witnesses to back up his claims in fact the Sura 4:82 of the Koran disputes those claims of Muhammad including Muhammad�s belief in Jesus and the 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being.  (by the new Testament writers of course)

 

 

 

Hafsa you say:  (Someone who claims to be an alien can still not be an examiner, a witness, a lawyer, a beneficiary as well as a judge!!!)

 

Starjade says;  I am a Judge and I am in Judgements.  Why should that be so surprising that I am an Alien resident after all I came from the living God from beyond the Veil of the Abyss in Deep Space.  That is where I was born.  I flew to this planet astrally.  So that makes me an Alien resident.  There has been mention of Alien residents in Old Testament accounts. 

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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 5:28am

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SJ quote:  23.Take a closer look at my challenge to islam under Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 challenge.  I am just one man who has staggering religiously superior knowledge.  I challenged Islam after being goaded by Muslims.  They invited me to speak on their Islamic forum where they had over 1000 Muslims waiting to defend the Koran from my God given Revelation.  That very day Islam and the Koran and all the claims of Muhammad bit the Dust.  Over 1000 muslims could not defend the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations and they then shirked away and by deceptions.  That made my anger blaze�. 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said:  Whatever is happening to you is because of your unusual stubbornness of taking a real offence with the real Allah, and accusing His real Prophets. Wait to see your real blaze in hell.

 

Starjade says;  I note how self opinionated you are with your shallow beliefs.  One day reality will dawn on you.  I was goaded by Muslims to challenge Islam with my God given Revelations and when I did Islam bit the Dust and those Muslims all shirked away with their tales between their legs.  Defeated. 

 

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SJ quote:  24.Now Muhammad may not be around anymore but his followers are.  In a closed Islamic world idolatry is rife and under the threats of follow or die that is how Islam expanded.

 

 

 

Hafsa you said;   no one can ever stay in a religion even if it is  assumed that any religion is thrown upon him for saving his life. He would never transmit it to his next generations along with the devotion (as we muslims have) that you like to call idolatry.    

 

Starjade says:  It is idolatry.  And the teaching is not from God and so you propagate blasphemy.  Whiles we note your opinions they are hardly facts are they.  They are your suppositions based on your Islamic propaganda and things that you are led to believe. 

 

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SJ quote:  25.But now you are entering into the rest of the world where we have a thing called religious education and not just in one religion but in all the worlds religions.

 

 

 

Hafsa you claim:   we are only the successors of the true religions, so not only we are taught about our relevant background, but the enhanced knowledge with ultimate accuracy is given to us Al-Hamdolillah.

 

Starjade says:  You are not successors of any true religion you are blight upon them for your false teachings.  And you kill others who do not accept your false beliefs.  And did the Sura 4:82 just fly past your head along with those many errors found in the Koran.  Get your facts right.

 

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SJ quote:  And Islam and the claims of Muhammad have clearly bitten the dust.

 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said;  (You wish)

 

Starjade says:  I do not need to make wishes when I am more than able to back my mouth up and prove it.  I do not see you or any Muslim being able to defend the claims of the Koran.  The Sura 4:82 challenge and the many errors in the Koran already are an admission of deceit.

 

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26.Try and reply on Muhammad�s belief in Jesus for instance.  And on how 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being (through Roman Christian writers of course)  Then you will see your religion of Islam fall to pieces.  Especially with those very claims of Muhammad and who Muhammad proclaimed himself to being.

 

27.Hafsa you said:   The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.

 

The most Logical Starjade says:  well then they did not look very hard did they.  I only have to point out Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law and demand witness evidence and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran and point out many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran and ask you to speak on the beliefs of Jesus and how 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus.  When Jesus claimed he was that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up.

 

28. Hafsa you ask.  {What�s your real name if you�re not a novice? And what was the faith of your parents if you are neither a Christian nor a Jew?

 

Starjade says:  Well now you are encroaching into personal business that is none of yours.  My name is Starjade the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet.  That is all you need to know.  It is clear that I am not a novice and the living God gave birth to me and I am an Alien resident.  So if you want to know what religion the living God has then I cannot reply an answer as the living God is God and does not give worship to any false Gods. 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said:  You want me to answer to you who in my opinion was the Prophet referred to in old Testament. To get this from me, you�ll have to answer me about yourself honestly and completely.

 

Starjade says:  As a Muslim you are bound to mistakenly believe that the Old Testament Prophecy spoke of Muhammad.  After all that is who Muhammad has claimed himself to being.  So I already know your views as I was taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts who taught me all about what you muslims think and what you Muslims believe.  Even so I have established that you are wrong and my word is backed up by the Sura 4:82 of the Koran itself.  And Deuteronomy law. 

 

Hafsa you say:  1.    what was the faith of each of your parents? It is important.

 

Starjade says:  My parent is The living God.  The living God does not follow false Gods.

 

Hafsa you said: 

When you died, as you say in your website, you were on a bench. After 15 years, when you re-entered your body, you did so on that very bench.

 

Starjade says:  That web site belongs to the American Philosopher Liberty Girl who began collecting my writings some Time ago and placed them on that website.   I died way back in 1980.  It was night time and nobody was around.  I was just passing through.  I had died travelled beyond the grave and then returned as I have stated to the same Time period. 

 

Hafsa you said;  2.    where was your family and was there no one in the park to put your body in the grave?

 

Starjade says:  I was 25 years old at that Time.  I died because my heart stopped and if found my body had been it would have been taken to a morgue. 

 

Hafsa you said;  You talked about your two daughters. 3.    are they your legitimate children, because if so, under which religion did you get married?

 

Starjade says:  I have three Children 1 boy two females.  I am not married nor have I ever been married.  People who marry do so for legal reasons not religious ones. 

 

Hafsa you said:  You said you don�t believe in angels right?,  4.    so then when you say you died, did no angels come to you, to take you to God? Then under which scientific law were you flying?

 

Starjade says;  You are the one saying I do not believe in Angels when in truth I said that the Angel Gabriel was not real and was fabricated in an attempt to claim religious authenticity to Jesus and John the Baptist who the Roman Christian writers were going to use as main characters for their fabricated stories.  Gabriel originated in a dream Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and Mathew and Luke were not witnesses to any Angel Gabriel or the birth of Jesus.  So their Testimonies are just hearsay as written in by other Roman Christian writers.  According to Deuteronomy law their Testimonies are not valid witness Testimonies.  

 

My journey beyond the grave happened just as I have said.  Try re reading it and pay attention next Time.  I was Astral travelling beyond the grave.  Surely you have heard of that.  It is only the body that dies. 

 

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Starjade says:  Hardly wishful think when I am here Challenging Islam with these facts and you all are afraid to reply.  When are your chicken legged Imams daring to come online then?  Let me see you dare a reply about Jesus and the 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus then if you are so confident.  Of course you are conveniently ignoring those many errors that exist in the Koran that are starin

 

 

 

Hafsa you claimed: Each and every allegation is addressed. Now what�s left.

 

Starjade says:  Yeah you spoke of them but you were not successful in disputing them and those errors still exist in the Koran. 

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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 5:29am

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ezkl9four  you said:  It says the Pharaoh threatened to nail these people to "palm trees". That's what grows in Egypt. I believe the account is correct.

Starjade says:  The Old Testament written many thousands of years before the Koran says those magicians were not threatened at all.  It only claims they were threatened with death in the Koran.  Later in the Koran by the way they are not crucified.  In fact the magicians are cut into pieces and their body parts were scattered about the market place.

 

 

 

Hafsa you say:  (fabrication is visible)

 

Starjade says:  The fabrications in the Koran are clearly visibly re written.  And those tales in the Koran of the Old and New Testament were clearly plagiarised from the Bible to create the Koran.  I remind you of the Sura 4:82.  Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.  I have found much discrepancy in the Koran and listed out some of those errors that Muslims cannot give accounts for.  As that is an admission by the Koran that the Koran did not come from God then you have no other explanation as to how they got their Old Testament and New Testament text other than from the Old and New Testament themselves of which they simply re worded them. 

 

As the Koran is established to not come from God that then brings the word of Muhammad into question for he then is clearly not telling the truth and is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.  It blows away all the claims that Muhammad has made about him being that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.  So another pretender to my Throne just bites the Dust.  And remind yourself that whiles Muhammad made such claims about himself.  He believed in Jesus and believed Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being.  Yet Jesus claimed that he was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.  11 Chapters of the Koran have serious errors within its text. 

 

Yet all along according to the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 you need two or three witnesses to prove a thing is true and Jesus and Muhammad have no witnesses to their claims.  The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 states that both Jesus and Muhammad are frauds.  They are guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin.   And that is established by the law brought down by Moses from the Living God himself and is considered to be the actual word of the living God.   So the living God says those things and judges those things.  I know I would trust the word of the living God every Time.  So should you.  The living God does not make mistakes. 

 

Of course I had good reasons to know they were both frauds in the first place.  They are the false pretenders to my Throne.  So they were just bound to bite the Dust after all we all know there is only one Lord King of the Apocalyptic Castle and that is the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade

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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 8:56am

Starjade says:  My parent is The living God. 

i ask: what??

 

 

Starjade says:  That web site belongs to the American Philosopher Liberty Girl who began collecting my writings some Time ago and placed them on that website.   I died way back in 1980. 

 

i ask: then who is replying to me?



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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 9:09am

Starjade: What was the year when you finally graduated from Mental Health Prevention Center, New York??? - I actually deal in antiques like old skulls, fossilised bones and other hard to find things, so I was wondering if I could see you this weekend to discuss some business with you??? - Please remember this could be your last chance to sell us your brains at .99cents per lbs. Offer valid till May 10, 2006.

P.S. and what was that when you said that Transmission oil is your favorite drink??? are you nuts starfade?

  



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Posted: 04 May 2006 at 9:58am

 let me post some of the many characteristics of Allah the one and only of course Living God, compared to Starjade's concept.

I will soon Insha Allah also post the characteristics of true Prophets.

 

Starjade�s concept of God as his website stated:

what I saw was a living white Spherical Entity that was radiating a dazzling pure white light. This Spherical Entity was alive and it thinks. I nodded with acknowledgement to this dazzling living White Sphere and then I watched it fly off out of my sight into the distant darkness of the Abyss. I was alone and I now glowed astrally with that same radiance and dazzling colour of white light for I have truly been reborn and I am now a small part of that living White Spheres energy. what I saw was a living white Spherical Entity that was radiating a dazzling pure white light. This Spherical Entity was alive and it thinks. I nodded with acknowledgement to this dazzling living White Sphere and then I watched it fly off out of my sight into the distant darkness of the Abyss. I was alone and I now glowed astrally with that same radiance and dazzling colour of white light for I have truly been reborn and I am now a small part of that living White Spheres energy.

 

Islamic view:

Allah has no form imaginable.

It is unlimited. (It woudn�t fly away like a tiny bird.)

It does not have boundaries or dimensions. (shape of sphere??)

Allah is a knower of everything. He makes his tiny creatures to supreme creations think, decipher, assess, judge etc. etc. (To be amused that his tiny god �thinks�  is what is so well regarded by him.)

 

 Why was it that his god, which was the source of light ran into distant darkness, while he who just got a closeness of it kept shining and radiating. That tiny bird, should have spread light all along.

 

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Posted: 05 May 2006 at 7:04am

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Starjade says:  My parent is The living God. 

i ask: what??

 

 

Starjade says:  That web site belongs to the American Philosopher Liberty Girl who began collecting my writings some Time ago and placed them on that website.   I died way back in 1980.

 

 

 

 

Hafsa you said:   i ask: then who is replying to me?

 

Starjade says The much loved Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Doomsday Prophet Starjade is the one replying to you Hafsa.  Thousands of years people have waited and wished and wondered what they might say.   Think about that in some time of reflection Hafsa for you are amongst those of that future who now know what those conversations are all about and are indeed also involved in those conversations.

 

I smile sometimes when I think of my past Death.  For in some strange way that makes me the Holy ole Ghost. 

 

I am a son of the Living God.  I am an Alien from beyond the Veil of the Abyss.  I am the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v15/18 Prophet.  I am the Doomsday Prophet.  But most of all I am the only Lord King of this apocalyptic Castle.  That is who is replying to you.


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Posted: 05 May 2006 at 7:44am

 

Hafsa you said:  let me post some of the many characteristics of Allah the one and only of course Living God, compared to Starjade's concept.

 

Starjade says:  It is known that your Allah id Hubal al�ilah the pagan Moon God.  However, the word Allah does mean supreme God and the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade is the only Living God in existence.  That is the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space.  That is who the true living God is and I feel I must make that distinction.

 

Hafsa you said:  I will soon Insha Allah also post the characteristics of true Prophets.

 

Starjade says:  You believed Muhammad and Jesus are true Prophets.  Yet I can provide information that by religious law can establish that they are not.  So you would be correct in saying what you believe were true Prophets even though there is evidence to prove they are not.

 

Hafsa you said:  Starjade�s concept of God as his website stated: 

Starjade quote:  what I saw was a living white Spherical Entity that was radiating a dazzling pure white light. This Spherical Entity was alive and it thinks. I nodded with acknowledgement to this dazzling living White Sphere and then I watched it fly off out of my sight into the distant darkness of the Abyss.

 

I was alone and I now glowed astrally with that same radiance and dazzling colour of white light for I have truly been reborn and I am now a small part of that living White Spheres energy. what I saw was a living white Spherical Entity that was radiating a dazzling pure white light. This Spherical Entity was alive and it thinks. I nodded with acknowledgement to this dazzling living White Sphere and then I watched it fly off out of my sight into the distant darkness of the Abyss. I was alone and I now glowed astrally with that same radiance and dazzling colour of white light for I have truly been reborn and I am now a small part of that living White Spheres energy.

 

Starjade says:  yes I have simply explained what was going on at that Time beyond the Grave and what I was seeing.  I am describing the Living God.  It is clear this Living White Sphere is without any doubt an individual that flies around under its own power and is a collective and yet a single unit.  Not as many believe the whole of everything.  But also something that exists beyond the Veil of the Abyss and moves around doing things rather than the imagined being of everything.  I have described the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade.  This Living White Sphere is awesome in power and that is what you should be giving your worship to if you want to give worship to the living God. 

 

  Hafsa you say:  Islamic view:Allah has no form imaginable.  It is unlimited. (It woudn�t fly away like a tiny bird.)

 

Starjade says:  What you say is the Islamic view is in fact the opinions of Muhammad who is established as being presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. The living White Sphere that is the living God from the description I have given is hardly the same as a tiny white bird.   I can be established as being a long awaited specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet and I do speak in the name of the living God and what is more the living God said to me you should hearken. 

 

Hafsa you say:  It does not have boundaries or dimensions. (shape of sphere??)

 

Starjade says:  Muhammad is your source of opinions about God and that is the pagan moon God Hubal al�ilah  So Islam really is not in any position to speak.  Presumptuous is too kind a word for Islam�s pagan moon god.  You simply know nothing about the Living God because you are misled.  However remind yourself that I can be established as being a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God and so I am the one who is in the know.  Now I have given you Revelations about the living God even briefly then you know more than those others who were presumptuously misled by the false Prophets.

 

Hafsa you said:  Allah is a knower of everything. He makes his tiny creatures to supreme creations think, decipher, assess, judge etc. etc. (To be amused that his tiny god �thinks�  is what is so well regarded by him.)

 

Starjade says I was giving descriptions and the living White Sphere�s telepathic abilities are most impressive.  You can feel the Living White Sphere thinking even from a distance away.  This phenomenon caused me to comment.  As you are a Muslim who is like all Muslims and cannot defend the Koran or the words of Muhammad from my God given Revelations.  And as you do not study religious law to see the frauds of the false Prophets who walked this earth and yet you believe them without justification.  Then how can you say you were doing any real thinking.  You only began to really think on religious matters when you encountered me. 

 

The Sura 4:82 was staring you all in the face and so were those many errors in the Koran that your idolatry caused you to overlook.  You speak of Moses also and yet overlooked the law of Deuteronomy that established two self proclaimed Prophets Jesus and Muhammad as being frauds.  So where was all this thinking you think your pagan moon god hubal al�ilah has been having you doing.  You only began thinking when I gave you some Revelation.  So I have given you knowledge that spread out that light along the path so you can see further than you have ever seen before.

 

Hafsa you said:   Why was it that his god, which was the source of light ran into distant darkness, while he who just got a closeness of it kept shining and radiating. That tiny bird, should have spread light all along.

 

Starjade says:  The Living White Sphere which is the Living God does radiate  white lights.  I am one of those white lights.  The light is not being lost into the Abyss.  It is simply the glow of the living White Sphere which is radiating.  The only particles of the living White Sphere to be let lose are entities like me. And you already know where is was I was going to on that Journey beyond the Grave.  The last Time I saw the living White Sphere was way across the Veil of the Abyss in deep space.  The living White Sphere which is the living God had places to go and things to do. 

 

Your description Hafsa is that of a meteor which is not the description of what I have given to you.  So why then are you trying to change what has been said. ?  Your views and your opinions will not alter the truth of my statements.  And to me the living God said you must hearken. 

 
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Posted: 05 May 2006 at 9:24pm

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Everyone knows those from Liverpool are thick.  They did not study the subject diligentlty and did not even mention who adopted Moses which was the topic of conversations.  I do not even know Wyat but I did read his data and having sifted through a lot of Egyptian history myself I know his data on that matter is correct.

 

 


Quoting yourself as a source is not acceptable unless you were an eye-witness to it all. It seems you have completely given up. I have quoted 5 good sources and a book written by an egyptologist and all you have is Wyatt the evangeologist.

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Nefure Hatshepsut is the same person as your Maatkare.  They have exactly the same father and married exactly the same Pharaoh.  Your own data confirms that.  They often used different names in Egyptian history.

 

 


No, Pharaoh Hatshepsut did not have the name "Nefure". You are just plain wrong - unless you can show me a single reputable source?

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The link lists all conversations about Nefure Hatshepsut.  There is a list just go down that list.

 

 


I have done so. As I have said and demonstrated they all derive from Wyatt. If you don't think so then why don't you prove me wrong?

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These conversations are about Nefure Hatshepsut and the fact she was the daughter of the Pharaoh and not his wife.

 

 


I started out explaining that it was a trivial point that you got the name mixed up. Now this goes to your credibility that you are this stubborn. Even having such ample opportunity to check the facts you have come up empty handed and continue to stick to your baseless naming. How then can we even begin to trust the rest of your "research" into the Egyptian history.

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Nefure was her name and Thutmose I was her father.  And he was also Amenhotep I the two titles go together as all the Pharaohs of Egypt consider themselves to be God incarnate and incarnations of each other.

 

 


No, Amenhotep I was the 2nd pharaoh of the 18th dynasty. Thutmose I was his military commander. Since Amenhotep had no heirs, Thutmose succeeded him as the 3rd pharaoh. He was succeeded by his children Thutmose II and later Hatshepsut.

Lets see now, where might you have gotten the idea to write THUTMOSES 1/AMENHOTEP 1? Hmmmm, maybe from Wyatt! Click here   Well yes, its no surprise that Wyatt has also mistaken about the identities of the rest of the pharaohs of the 18th dynasty as well. He was thorough in his lies.
 
So it seems that all of your information comes from one source, contrary to what you said. You keep a little file with the info tucked away for copying and pasting whenever you need it. And for the first time someone has actually looked it up - pretty easy thing to do really - and discovered that its all cr*p.

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:34am

 

19.   Hafsa you say:  As put by another author:

The Qur�an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92: "This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"[Al-Qur�an 10:92]

 

Starjade says:  The Sura 4:82 of the Koran states that if errors or discrepancies are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran did not come from God.  The word of the Koran therefore is not reliable for I have shown many discrepancies in the Koran that Muslims cannot give accounts for.  However if you want some signs. 

 

Some Biblical signs in the Heavens.

http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm 

 

 

Hafsa you say:  Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II�s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus.

 

Starjade says:  Thutmoses the 1 and thutmoses 11 both persecuted the Israelites.  However.  Moses was called thutmoses 11 then after he killed the Egyptian he fled and Thutmoses 1 married Nefure Hatshepsut off to her half brother who then claimed the name Thutmoses 11 and was also Thutmoses 111.  This was the Ramesese who faced the living God of Moses.  So your doctor is in error in his conclusions or perhaps you also say the Koran and the Old Testament lied about Moses existing which would be rather foolish.    The pharaoh who faced the living God of Moses was the Pharaoh who was the half brother of Nefure Hatshepsut.  He was Thutmoses 11 and 111.  That is who drowned during that Exodus.  

 

 

Hafsa you say: 

In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning.

 

Starjade says:  Well what a convenient story for the tourists.  I would not trust any Mummy found in Egypt.  Certainly I would not pay much heed to the speculations of those who found such mummies especially if they were also Muslims.  Why the Christians bragged they had found the skeleton of the brother of Jesus after the Turin shroud was proven to be a fake.  There is a lot of deceptions going around so you would be the wise not to take what you read as being true.  You thought that of the Koran and yet Sura 4:82 and what can you do but wake up to reality.  And saying probably is never a fact.  Either it is or it is not.  Probably is just speculations.  Trying to make stories fit. 

 

 

Hafsa you say: 

Thus the Qur�anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs� body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

 

Starjade says:  The Koran is established as not being a book sent from God and so its words are presumptuous.  It says the Pharaohs wife adopted Moses in the Koran whiles in fact Nefure Hatshepsut was not married until after Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt.  It says Moses cast down his staff before the Pharaoh whiles the original data source of that Story writ by the people who lived in those Times say it was the brother of Aaron who cast his staff down. 

 

Exodus 7:10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

 

Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

 

Exodus 7:12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

 

Exodus 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

 

We have already covered the Golden calf thing and it was claimed that Golden calf was forged by the Samaritan to later be changed for Samari when in fact it was Aaron who forged the golden calf. 

 

Exodus 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

Exodus 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

Exodus 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

Exodus 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

 

Why in the Koran even the plagues sent unto Egypt are different than the Plagues sent unto Egypt as written by those people who lived in those Times. The text of these matters is long so I withhold them at this Time.  Yet these are other errors found in the Koran which is established by the Sura 4:82 of the Koran to be presumptuous and unreliable in its data. 

 

You spoke of keeping the mummy in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo which no doubt is a crown puller.  Yet look again at the Christian and their Turin Shroud that they glorified and said it was the Shroud that wrapped the body of Jesus.  People say allsorts of things for the sake of attempting to authenticate their religious beliefs.  Yet that Shroud was a fake.  Tsk Tsk Tsk you cannot even trust your religious leaders eh. 

 

Moses was Thutmoses 11.  Until he killed the Egyptian then Thutmoses 1. Married his daughter Nefure of to her half brother and it was he who was the Ramesese who faced the Living God of Abraham.  Ramesese is just another name meaning Pharaoh.  That Ramesese was Thutmoses 11. Because he took that Title when Moses fled Egypt and he was also by his birth to Thutmoses 1 by a concubine Thutmoses 111 as well.  Try and understand.  The Pharaoh was considered by Egyptian to be a God reincarnated so each successive Pharaoh is considered to be the same person as the first.  Hence names can become confused and Historians tend to then place the number of each Pharaoh after the name to keep counts.  Of course they are not ever going to be accurate for then it would have to be dated to the first Pharaoh of Egypt.  So it was simpler one assumes to name the numbers after each dynasties.

 
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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 7:22am

 

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Everyone knows those from Liverpool are thick.  They did not study the subject diligentlty and did not even mention who adopted Moses which was the topic of conversations.  I do not even know Wyat but I did read his data and having sifted through a lot of Egyptian history myself I know his data on that matter is correct.

 

 


Kayyam you said:  Quoting yourself as a source is not acceptable unless you were an eye-witness to it all. It seems you have completely given up. I have quoted 5 good sources and a book written by an egyptologist and all you have is Wyatt the evangeologist.

 

Starjade says:  You have not quoted 5 good sources as I complained to you before.  You just did not like the outcome.  I was not using data from wyatts conversations although his data is correct. 

 

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Nefure Hatshepsut is the same person as your Maatkare.  They have exactly the same father and married exactly the same Pharaoh.  Your own data confirms that.  They often used different names in Egyptian history.

 

 


Kayyam you said:  No, Pharaoh Hatshepsut did not have the name "Nefure". You are just plain wrong - unless you can show me a single reputable source?

 

Starjade says:  I quote all your useless sources.  They all say Thutmoses 1 was the father of your Maatkare and that she married her half brother Thutmoses 11.   Right then Nefure Hatashep�s father was Thutmoses 1 and she married her half brother who became Thutmoses 11 which was originally the Title of Moses until Moses killed the Egyptian and had to flee Egypt.  So then clearly they are the same person but you have gone too far in your argument to have the manners to retract. 

 

And by the way a Muslim scholar told me the name Nefure Hatshepsut and he doesn�t make mistakes either.  He was far more knowledgeable than you.  Until he told me that name I did not know or care of who adopted Moses.  So check your facts better next time.  You are on a lost cause here.  I had to research Nefure Hatshepsut to find out if she was married or not at the Time she adopted Moses and she was not married. 

 

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The link lists all conversations about Nefure Hatshepsut.  There is a list just go down that list.

 

 


Kayyam you said:  I have done so. As I have said and demonstrated they all derive from Wyatt. If you don't think so then why don't you prove me wrong?

 

Starjade says:  There should be hundreds of pages not just that front page you were first linked to. Mind you on the net the most recent visited sites do come up first.  Still your own feeble links also answer your questions that your maatkare was Nefure Hatshepsut.  They are the same person.  

 

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These conversations are about Nefure Hatshepsut and the fact she was the daughter of the Pharaoh and not his wife.

 

 


Kayyam you say:  I started out explaining that it was a trivial point that you got the name mixed up. Now this goes to your credibility that you are this stubborn. Even having such ample opportunity to check the facts you have come up empty handed and continue to stick to your baseless naming. How then can we even begin to trust the rest of your "research" into the Egyptian history.

 

Starjade says;  There is no mix up her name was Nefure Hatshepsut but clearly other dialects exist calling her also by other names but there is only one female who adopted Moses. So do not pretend that chore was such an impossible task to research.  Your own links gave you the answer in the first place by naming the father and husband of Nefure Hatshepsut. I also gave this link http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/discovered/html/chapter12.ht m  yet you keep going on about Wyatt as if his data was the only thing linked.  Naturally as Wyatts data disclaimed your own you do want to discount it.  Rather petty of you Is say.  Yet even your own links condemn you.

 

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Nefure was her name and Thutmose I was her father.  And he was also Amenhotep I the two titles go together as all the Pharaohs of Egypt consider themselves to be God incarnate and incarnations of each other.

 

 


Kayyam you said:  No, Amenhotep I was the 2nd pharaoh of the 18th dynasty. Thutmose I was his military commander. Since Amenhotep had no heirs, Thutmose succeeded him as the 3rd pharaoh. He was succeeded by his children Thutmose II and later Hatshepsut.

 

Starjade says:  You are believing the garbage on your own data links. They are wrong.  Thutmoses 1 Amenhotep 1 are the same person holding that same Title.  Thutmoses 1 is the father of Nefure Hatshepsut.  Thutmoses succeeded  Pharaoh Ahmoses who was the main ruler of the whole of Egypt at that Time. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1 was a co regent.  He was the father of your Maakare and that is the father of Nefure Hatshepsut.  They are the same person. 

 

Kayyam you say: 
Lets see now, where might you have gotten the idea to write THUTMOSES 1/AMENHOTEP 1? Hmmmm, maybe from Wyatt! Click here   Well yes, its no surprise that Wyatt has also mistaken about the identities of the rest of the pharaohs of the 18th dynasty as well. He was thorough in his lies.
 

Starjade says:  I studies lots of Egyptian yackle and there is plenty of it.  I did not get my data from Wyatt.  His name came up when I pressed in the search engine for some links on who adopted Moses.  You do recall Moses don�t you only you blabber so much of other things that you do not mention Moses at all and neither do any of your links.

 

Kayyam you said: 
So it seems that all of your information comes from one source, contrary to what you said. You keep a little file with the info tucked away for copying and pasting whenever you need it. And for the first time someone has actually looked it up - pretty easy thing to do really - and discovered that its all cr*p.Kayyam

 

Starjade says:  I do keep files of everything I write and the replies.  I have every page written here and in the Judas thread saved to disc.  My data is correct and yours is wrong.  You deny Nefure Hatshepsut and yet you then speak of her under the name Maatkare which is still Nefure Hatshepsut.  You got caught out in one of your own insistent lies and then have the gall to make accusations as if I was the one in error.  There are many speaking of Nefure Hatshepsut on the Internet it is not some big secret and I originally got that data for a Muslim who was the one who mentioned Nefure Hatshepsut to me in the first place.  So when I replied to him you can be sure it was expected that my words would be examined and checked up on. 

 

Starjades conversations with Hanifan.  http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surapge4.html

 

I wonder did you bother yourself to check on who your father of Maatkere was or are you suddenly struck blind when you read it is the same as the father of Nefure Hatshepsut. 

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:17am

Oh and blow it out of your ear Silkworm.

 


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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:22am

 Kayyam has got stuck in a spot and Kayyam cannot see that Maatkare and Nefure Hastshepsut are the same person so Kayyam is paddling whiles also drowning in denial     I note you are avoiding this matter Kayyam.  I have been right kind and astonishingly patient whiles you try and avoid this matter but you know you must face it eventually and admit you made a mistake and Starjade is right  as per usual and Maatkere is the same as Nefure Hatshepsut.   Go on Kayyamikins admit you got it wrong.    I wont scoff. 

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 5:54pm

Starjade,

You came here claiming to have all sorts of evidence and yet you can't
even discuss the basics of Egyptian history with any sensibility. I will give
you a hint: history is located within history books. It is actually necessary
to read them rather than copying and pasting from Ron Wyatt. For
example you might want to read Tyldesley's "Hatshepsut".

You claim that the female pharaoh of the 18th dynasty had as one of her
names "Nefure" and yet you have given no such evidence. Not even a
shred. So how can you keep on blowing such hot air?

If you can't even get your info straight on Hatshepsut then there is no way
you know anything about Moses.

Kayyam

 

 

 

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