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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Kayyam you said; Oh really? Here are a few links to educate you: Starjade says: I researched Nefure Hatshepsut in details and made no error. Of course you Muslims realised the errors of your statements when others started to point them out and so Muslims spring up with their own invented tales. There was only one female Pharaoh in Egypt ever. That was Nefure Hatshepsut.
Starjade says: Not really. Egyptian history is known. But on some matters of history historians speculate. It is called theorising.
Starjade says: So you also are making the I cannot reply to these errors in the Koran sounds and so spuke a few insults and vanish. Shirking is a contagious thing amongst Muslims. I have defended my position and I do it very well of course. Islam has fallen and the Koran is easily proven to not come from God and Muhammad is proven to be presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
And by the way Kayyam. This matter of Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to being is the most recent error that exists in 11 Chapters of the Koran. That has nothing to do with Egyptian history at all. I am the one who is pointing those errors in the Koran out so why not (cough) dare a reply to that matter. After all it is a known fact that the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being is that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That was why they called Jesus the King of the Jews.
Now then Kayyam am I speaking slowly enough for you to comprehend so you cannot find an excuse to shirk this error as you have the others. Which Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet is it that Muhammad has proclaimed himself to being? After all it is a religiously known fact that the living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. And what you think you can shirk these matters and live in pretence that they will just go away. Explain exactly why Muhammad believed in Jesus and why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to being. Then explain why Muhammad then proclaims himself to be that Prophet as well and instead.
It is all of you Muslims who are unable to defend Islam from the Revelations of Starjade. You have all bitten the Dust and are seen to be powerless. You dare not even voice a reply. Starjade doth scoffeth.
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Starjade says: I am one of this planets most exiting writers and
most loved and popular.
It is so easy to stand in the background blowing off the odd quip now and then. It is another matter for you to come online and give these other Muslims a desperately need hand. You cannot alter the truth of the errors in the Koran but at least you will have had a go instead of standing in the background hoping to throw in some shallow abuse Tsk tsk Tsk..
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I am eager to see what you have written. Did you mention this
belief Muhammad had in Jeeesus. And explain why 11 Chapters of
the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that he has claimed himself
to being and the Prophet that Muhammad believed Jesus as being.
Anyhow I have saved the data to disc and am about to embark upon a reply.
I was just voicing out my curiosities. After all it is most clear
the much loved Doomsday Prophet the formidable Starjade hath put you
Muslims right on the spot.
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Kayyam 
Undergraduate Joined: 21 December 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Sunni) Posts: 780 |
Starjade, You have made
a mistake with the Egyptian history and you are in complete denial about
it. I have given you 5 links, including the BBC and Wikipedia which
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Starjade
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Kayyam the data on the links you gave are not correct. The writers of those pages on those websites clearly did little or no research and trolling through their useless babble was a total waste of my Time. The half brother Nefure Hatshepsut became married to was in fact the very Pharaoh that faced Moses and ended up being drowned in the Red Sea.
The claim she would inherit the Throne and become a Pharaoh is laughable. It would only be the husband of Nefure Hatshepsut that would be the ruler and the Pharaoh. Nefure Hatshepsut convinced here father Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 to accept Moses as that Crown prince but when Moses killed the Egyptian he fled Egypt and Nefure had to marry her half brother or the Crown would go to another family. She became married to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11. That is because Moses no longer could assume that Title because he had fled Egypt.
She did not bear any children to him but his concubines did. In the first link you gave the stupidity of the writer is paramount when it claims From markings on his mummy, archaeologists believe Tuthmose II had a skin disease, and he died after ruling only three or four years.
Starjade says: perhaps you forget in your eagerness to find some link to dispute my words that the Pharaoh Thutmose the 11 that Nefure Hatshepsut married was in fact the Pharaoh who had to deal with Moses and he died after he chased Moses into the Red sea. Or perhaps you are now are also claiming that the Old Testament and the Koran are both wrong when they spoke on those matters. The writers of those links you gave did not even mention Moses or check the history of these matters out properly.
They were making essays not doing research. The Old Testament and the Koran both have a different tale to tell. I find it so funny when the writer starts to say things like most likely to be. Being unsure of data is not a good sign of correct data now is it and guessing is even worse. Nor were they historians they were just writing down things they heard about Egypt and not making sure the data they collected was correct just accepting the first thing that comes along as being genuine just as you have done and lets face it on the Internet you can read essays about Elvis being kidnapped by Aliens and is living on the moon. So the source of your links data is not validated in fact they are lacking in certain important facts.
Nefure was not a much loved person as your links imply and the Egyptians went to lengths to deface her statues and tried to erase her name from Egyptian history. When a Pharaoh becomes Pharaoh the building of the Tombs begins. They just do not get abandoned and left. When the Pharaoh dies they are then buried in those tombs. Unless they have no body of that Pharaoh.
You also forgot to mention that these are statements from ordinary people wanting to speak their ten penneth worth opinions on their views of Egypt. Their data is incorrect. And none of it even mentions the adoption of Moses which must have escaped their notice. That was what we were speaking about here. And what is that about your writer a Caroline Seawright a full time worker, part time traveler, anime and manga lover and HTML programmer! She writes many articles on or about Egypt. Makes you think she is an Egyptian expert.
You are so delusional. And just what is a manga lover eh.? And anyone can write HTML it is a simple source code for building web sites. I was trained in the use of that also. BIG DEAL.. So that means we must all be impressed at the credentials of your writers on Egyptian history eh. Too bad they did not even bother to speak about Moses and who adopted him isn�t it after all that is what these conversations were supposed to be about.?
By the way Pharaoh is a Title and Ramesese is a Title and Hatshepsut is a Title they are not the names of people they are the Ranks of people. It seems your writers do not seem to be so clear to realize that for they spoke as if these were actual names of people. I saw no mention of Moses either. So your writers do not even seem to realize that Nefure Hatshepsut who was the daughter of Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 that she was the one who adopted Moses. Your writers even have a hard Time getting the right names of these Pharaohs including periods of Time. I suggest you do more research and not stop at the first set of blabberwocky that some foreign traveler speaks about that comes along.
Nefure Hatshepsut was not the co regent where do your writers get this guff. Moses was made Co Regent and would have been the main King Ruler of the whole of Egypt. Your writers clearly are missing out on a lot of details there. I laughed at the final link claiming Nefure Hatshepsut lived in peace for it is well known Nefure Hatshepsut was most hated and will have lived in fear of her life daily being so hated by the Egyptian people.
According to your writers in those links you gave there is not even a link of Nefure Hatshepsut to Moses. So your writers did not know she was the one who adopted Moses. I mean how shallow in research can you get. Or perhaps now you say that the Koran and the Old Testament are wrong and that Moses did not exist at all. Certainly those writers of Nefure Hatshepsut did not know that Nefure Hatshepsut was the one who adopted Moses. A thing most would mention. Your links are worthless. Furthermore did you read this statement Hatshepsut as depicted in the 2005 computer game Civilization IV. Are you actually being serious to present any of this babble as your argument of evidence. I wonder if anyone else bothered to troll through this garbage you presented as your arguments.
And Biographies such as Hatshepsut by Evelyn Wells romanticized her as a beautiful and pacifistic woman � "the first great woman in History".
Starjade says: You don�t seem to realise that Nefure Hatshepsut dressed as a man, So as to not be viewed as being a female. Your writers on your links do not seem to know who Nefure hatshepsut was or anything about her.
I point out again it was Nefure Hatshepsut who married Thutmose the 11. That was the Pharaoh who faced Moses. How he died is written in the Old Testament and the Koran with varying tales of course. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. But after he killed the Egyptian he fled Egypt and upon the marriage to Nefure Hatshepsut her half brother gained that Title.
Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsuts father and the father of her half brother by a concubine. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. Moses did not succeed his adoptive grandfather Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 because he had fled Egypt. When Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus. Your writers make other claims that are not true.
The zero lack of knowledge about Nefure Hatshepsut adopting Moses was irritating. Next Time try linking to data on actual Egyptian history by their experts instead. The matter was I remind you Was of who adopted Moses and not one of those links you gave even mention Moses. The writers clearly picked up dodgy data of which there is plenty about when they wrote out their essays. It staggers me that they did not even know who adopted Moses and did not even mention that subject matter.
Now as you are clearly not making any headway on Nefure hatshepsut then why not make up for this irritance and make me laugh at seeing you trying to explain away why Muhammad believed in Jesus and why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to being. That is 11 Chapters of errors that are found in the Koran. Actual Egyptian history just runs too deep for you. Next you will be saying Nefure Hatshepsut got married to King Kong because you saw it on a computer game and she went on to give birth to the Godzilla who became master of the Universe. Tsk Tsk Tsk���.
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Hafsa you said: {the fault lies in those who do not believe that the author of Quran is Allah, who knows everything better than those mistakes and forgeries in your man made texts. Those who don�t want to realize that we worship Allah the only living God, the Creator of the entire universe and beyond. Get your ideas clear man, Samiri magician surely made the calf. Quran gives one step or more higher knowledge than the older versions sent previously. }
Starjade says: Muhammad�s followers committed the text of the Koran to memory, and then as instructed by Muhammad, they put them into writings onto bits of wood and skins and anything at hand. Muhammad died in 632. After the battle of Al Yamamah in 633 Umar inb al Khattab, who later became the second Caliph, he said to the first Caliph Abu Bakir, that because of the loss in that battle they were in danger of losing Muhammad�s proclamations as they were mainly enshrined in their memories. Aby Bakr recognised the danger and entrusted the task of writing out the Koran to Zayd ibn Thabit, who was the chief scribe that Muhammad had frequently dictated to during his lifetime. A final authorized text was prepared and completed in 651 during the Time of Uthman the third Caliph.
Now explain where Allah did this writing of the Koran. I have named those authors. Yet as I have pointed out there are still in existence different Korans. Yet all books are written by men not by gods of mans imaginations.
There are staggering amounts of errors in the Koran and the Koran itself admits by the Sura 4:82 if errors or discrepancies are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran did not come from God.
Hafsa you said: {Your concept is funny. Next thing you do is to find errors in Exodus. First you insist that all the people gave all their gold belongings to make up a calf statue, that too on the instigation of a Prophet of the one and only God that is Allah. then the Prophet was so timid and cruel that on seeing a stonger Prophet, he forces people to eat it. Next thing: they were only given some gold dust to swallow. Seems like a blessed powder here, a special gift?}
Starjade says: Allah is the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah which is not the living God of Moses.
I do not say these things the Old Testament does. I came from the future not the past. I was not around when these events are said to have taken place. It was Moses who ground down the Golden Calf and forced them to eat it dust. In my younger days I faced a great deal of Starvation and I was literally eating nothing but water for many weeks at a Time. I did not just drink that water but was eating it as food. Unless you have been in such a position of starvation you just could never understand that you eat water not drink it. The many errors in the Koran already establish that the Koran is in error with its claims as stated in the Sura 4:82 challenge.
Hafsa you said; {Of course the sun doesn�t sink in a quagmire, as you are trying to imply.
Starjade says: Now hold that Camel a minute. So now you agree the claim of Muhammad�s is an error. I did not imply anything. I repeated the statements made by Muhammad and disputed them as being not true.
Hafsa you agreed at last; Even an ordinary person knows that. But since you don�t want to admit something you won�t. you won�t admit for example how accurately mentioned is that the sun�s orbit is separated from the moon�s;
Starjade says: Now hold that Camel a minute. I was not talking about the Suns orbit being separated from the moon. Any fool looking up at the night�s sky would see that obvious conclusion. I was saying the sun does not set in a pool of muddy water which is where Muhammad said it sets.
Hafsa you said: or that it is mentioned that sun also rotates, a fact only recently discovered;
Starjade says: Well something that hot is bound to not stand still and being in a desert one sees the sun in varying degrees and so it is not such an impossible thing to notice. And why is it Muslims always have to use that Islamic brag just recently discovered. That is a far fetched claim. People have landed on the moon you know. And do not forget in the days Muhammad gave worship to the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah with his family they believed the Sun was married to the moon.
Hafsa you said: or shall I bring more examples from Quran about the solar system. I don�t need to beg you to understand the truth of Quran, you may suit yourself, and bear the consequences in the world hereafter!!}
Starjade says: Should I bring you links to Star charts from civilizations existing long before Muhammad and the Koran. Chariots of the Gods pal. Your glorifications of a book do not make that book a book that came from God as it is claimed.
The Sura 4:82 admits the Koran does not come from God along with those many errors found in the Koran.? That is the truth we are speaking about here as well as the claims of Muhammad and of another false Prophet called Jesus. You can worship a stone if you choose it will not bother me. But to claim that stone is God well then I am going to tap you on your shoulder and explain why that cannot be. And I came from the world hereafter have you not read of my Journey beyond the grave.
Hafsa you said: { If he says it, it has to be only right. And what he talked about in that hadees was about when a person wakes up from sleep and has to wash his nose again thrice for wodoo, as devil sits on his nose during sleep. That form of devil is of course beyond comprehension of science.}
Starjade says: You do know Muhammad climbed up the Mountain because he said he had gone mad. So then you admit you believe Muhammad was telling the truth then don�t you. And that a Devil lives up your nose.? (cough splutter) scuse me a minute you have caused me to laugh so much my nose goo is splattering out across the computer screen.
Can you show two or three witnesses to Muhammad being in Hades then.? Or was it also true that was of course all just Muhammad�s say so with no other witnesses to verify the event ever took place. The doctors I have spoken with who were Islamic doctors by the way were not so convinced that any Devil lives up a Muslims nose or even upon it.
Muhammad said it lives up the noses of Muslims. That is why muslims snort up water to flush out that Devil. A Devil that has not ever been seen. So then it is not scientifically sound is it. ? Human anatomy is well mapped out down now to the DNA code. Where is the mention of DNA in the Koran then. ? Did this invention of this Devil up your nose lead to those English tales of the bogie man. Eeeek. The point is the Koran is not as scientifically sound as you claimed.
You can believe that a stone is God but that does not make your belief true. Even if you were surrounded by a zillion Cavemen. There is no Devil up your nose. That is just plain daft. I am certain Muhammad had a wicked sense of humour when he said such a thing.
Hafsa you said: {I believe it to be possible for God. Everything is possible for Him. Science does not restrict Him. He bars science for miracles.}
Starjade says: So why did God not smite those fishing people down or turn them into fish if god was so ticked off at them. And where are the witnesses Testimonies of this event. Isnt it once again some writer making claims of what Muhammad has said.
Hafsa you moaned: Look who�s calling Mohammad Mustufa SalAllaho Alehey Wassalam, the praiseworthy, the chosen, the ultimate Prophet as self appointed.
Starjade says: It is Starjade the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Plus Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15. A law brought down by Moses from the living God himself and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. That establishes Muhammad as being a self appointed Prophet who has no proof for his claims whiles plenty of proof does exist to dispute those claims that he has made. So look real hard and more closer and try and understand that I do not comprehend idol worshipping. Those things you make as your idols are not my idols. In my eyes idol worship is a form of blasphemy. It is in the eyes of the living God as well.
Hafsa you said: Insult me starjade, not him. Otherwise you will loose one more person who�s trying her patience on you. one more thing, the distribution of electrical energy into light energy as well as sound energy is known.
Starjade says: Now I would not go out of my way to insult you Hafsa. You have a lot of courage to come along and face me where those other Kuffar shirky Muslims dare not. These conversations are done under Islamic law that I invoked in the beginnings and as shown there are many errors found in the Koran showing that the Koran does not come from God by the Sura 4:82 challenge and that blasts the claims of Muhammad as being untrue. Face the facts. Muhammad has no proof of his claims so then he is self appointed. The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a law brought down by Moses from the living God. It is therefore the actual word of the living God. You need two or three witnesses to prove Muhammds claims as being true. Why not try and produce them and see that Muhammad has no witnesses for his claims and so he is without doubt presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the Living God.
Hafsa you said: {Knowing your intentions, everything gets easy, Baydawi Jalalan and Zamakhshari are not reliable sources or the Hadees you did not quote accurately is a Daeef one . However what I would stand up for is that there is an angel responsible for rain and that is Mikaeel. May it be thunder or lightening or anything else, all things happen per Allah�s command and executed by angels, believe it or not.}
Starjade says: I made my intentions clear in the beginnings when I came here to challenge islam. I have not made it any secret. I am a very honest person. Now come on Hafsa surely you do not believe an Angel called Mikaeel is sitting behind the clouds making rain. Or making clouds and floating them about the skies. A scientist will disagree with you. It is not true. You also know it is not true and so do all or at least most other Muslims. And why use the name of some fabricated Christians angel. ? That is that blasphemous Christian influence taking hold of the beliefs of Muslims again. Muhammad was inventing these statements and they are not scientifically accurate or true.
It is a funny idea though and I am sure Muhammad had a sense of humor when he was saying such daft things. Try and remind yourself that I came from the living God and so I do have some insight into such things. Religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 can establish that claim I have made.
Hafsa you said: {you have picked up only these, we also believe in many others by name.}
Starjade says: I learned of this error in the Koran from another scholar who pointed these things out to me. If you have data to add to all of this please do enlighten me with it. Still the data of Thunder and lightening found in the Koran is not true at all. Natural phenomena�s are designed to work their own course in the evolution of this Planet. If these Angel things are so true explain why Acid rain exists and impurities in rain exists and why these angels did not purify the rain when it became contaminated by Chernobyl.
Hafsa you said; {Now that I have, don�t repeat this line again}.
Starjade says: Starjade is most impressed that you are the very first Muslim with a backbone to make a reply on this matter of the Thunder and lightening and the Devil up your noses thingy. Never again can I say Muslims were afraid to reply on those matters when one did. I can only ever say that only one Muslim dared to speak on these issues the immortal Hafsa who dared to speak where other Muslims fear to tread. I have respect for you daring to speak on these things that other Muslims and learned Islamic scholars would and have shirked from.
Starjade says: However the things on Thunder and lightening and the Devil living up your noses is scientifically untrue. That is why I named them as being errors in the Koran.
Hafsa you said: {Did you ask for one? No. Even if I did give you evidence, you would never agree would you. I can�t show light to a blind, I�m sorry. Your evidence is only that since you are blind, its all black.}
Starjade says: I shall not be believing that Muhammad is the Deuteronomy Ch 18 verse 15/18 Prophet for a fact. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a law brought down by Moses from the living God and is therefore considered to be the actual word of the living God. That law can and does establish that Only I could be the long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
I already know all the false pretenders to my Throne have no evidence to back their claims up and that is why I am the Challenger and all those who come against me are just bound to bite the Dust.
And understand I may show a sense of humor now and again but I take all these religious matters very seriously. You are the proverbial blind man but I can shine a light along the path for you so you can see further than you have ever seen before.
Often I have spoken with Islamic scholars including Christian scholars on what they claimed was proof of their self appointed false Prophets. When they displayed what they said was the proof they were found wanting in a thing called proof for none existed for those that they believed in. All they had was the claims of some writer saying believe in what they say. Gods law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 finds them guilty of iniquity and sin. But then who but the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade cares about the actual word of the living God.?
Hafsa you said: {only upto your level. not a standard one}
Starjade says: What do you mean only up to my level. I will one day find out all the other non Arabic words existing in the Koran. The fact is the Koran is not pure Arabic as Muslims claimed and oft believed. It is used as Islamic propaganda. Yet there are many foreign words in the Koran. So the Koran is clearly not pure Arabic. That is a known fact.
Hafsa you said; {Quraanic word as you know is Fir�on (sounding like sit on). Allah chose it, perhaps b/c it�s a proper noun.}
Starjade says: So what are you saying ? that the word Pharaoh does not exist in the Koran?
Hafsa you said; {it is Aadum as in Quran, why, that�s proper noun}.
Hafsa you said: {always Ibraheem, never Abraham, proper noun. Abu Raheem would mean son of merciful.}
Starjade says; He wasn�t so merciful to his own sons who he cast away.
Hafsa you said: {they are proper names of two specific angels.}
Starjade says: Persian names. Not Arabic ones.
Hafsa you say: {who can say whether they were borrowed from Arabic to Persian or otherwise. Siraat is correctly an Arabic word. As for Hoor, it does not mean desciple. And Tilmeedh means student}
Starjade says: Clearly the scholar who studied all these foreign words in the Koran. Arthur Jeffrey, in his book Foreign Vocabulary of the Koran, he has gathered some 300 pages dealing with foreign words in the Qur�an, I really must get a list of them. But it is not important.
{certainly not, Jinns are separate species while Ruh means soul}
Starjade says: Oh well then. As a matter of fact I have downloaded some data on the jinns that Muslims believe in. So I shall be looking this up. Are they related to Genie in the Magik lamp.?
Hafsa you say: { there will be stages in Jannah, the highest one will be Jannat-ul-Firdous. May Allah take us there near Mohammad Mustafa Sal Allaho AleheWassalam, our leader, our prophet, Allah�s beloved Prophet.}
Starjade says: You still have not shown the evidence that Muhammad is a Prophet when Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran says he is not. And should you speak on that evidence do make sure you quote exactly which specific Prophet of Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Muhammad is claiming himself to being wont you.? As Muhammad is established by the Sura 4:82 to be presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name then he is presumptuous to think he would know of the Journey beyond the grave until that Time when he himself died.
Hafsa you say: { can�t you sense that if they were absorbed in Arabic before the Quraan was revealed, they were good to use for the purpose of illustration. If along with Quraan, it could be for the preciseness of usage or accuracy as for proper nouns. After all it was Allah who sent the previous scriptures as He sent Quraan. O yes, didn�t you forget the word Allah deliberately.}
Starjade says: Allah is still the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah. The living God of Abraham did not send the Koran. I have already explained how the word Allah came into use. The Sura 4:82 and the many errors existing in the Koran does prove outright that the Koran did not come from God. The Koran is not accurate as I have been establishing via the use of those many errors that are found in the Koran.
Starjade concluded. So that matter is done and dusted. It seems your Islamic propaganda has some flaws in it that you are not mentioning or just did not know. You know now though don�t you. Speaking with Starjade the much loved Doomsday Prophet is most certainly an education.
Hafsa you said: {much loved prophet�.who has to work hard for his false propaganda himself, has sure acquired knowledge for his purpose, but fails to have a true faith. Even Satan or Iblees has ample knowledge but of what good?}
Starjade says: Trust me Hafsa I am not working that hard. I am a prolific writer anyways. I know that your worship of a false god two false prophets is not good for anyone. Muhammads belief in Jesus is certainly not good for islam and its claims. I have total faith in the living God and so I have religious knowledge not a religious belief. I do not need faith when I know my life is in the hands of the living God no matter how I travel. The Revelations I have given here are beyond anything you have learned in the past from anyone. My religious knowledge go way beyond that of your religious leaders living or dead who followed false prophets and false gods. As can be proven I add by the Sura 4:82 of the Koran and the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15/18.
There is only one Lord King of the apocalyptic Castle and that is the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Hafsa you said: {well, all nations were sent with some prophets till one time who brought for them the religion of the only one God. It kept on changing with time however. So an ancient punishment that exists in old scriptures must be related to each other.
Starjade says: The Romans used Crucifixions as a capital punishments so when they wrote their tales of Jesus they stole the Old Testament passages to invent that tale but used their own form of capital punishments instead of using the Old Testament where it says that those guilty of Blasphemy must be stoned to death. So their capital punishments of their Times expose exactly who it is who is writing that fabricated story.
Similar the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides is an Islamic form of punishment and it was Zayd ibn Thabit, who was the chief scribe that Muhammad had frequently dictated to during his lifetime who wrote out the finalized text which by the way other muslims dispute still to this very day. So when they fabricated their tales they used Islamic punishments as a substitute showing it is a Muslim who wrote those tales.
The Old Testament says that those guilty of Blasphemy must be stoned to death. That is 3 different ways of killing a person for the same crime and all denoting what people wrote those statements down and from what Time periods.
Hafsa you say: As for their making a claim for prophets, it�s too small. Someone among them keeps claiming to be God himself every now and then. You do have a scope in such a society I guess. Try your luck.}
Starjade says: Any man who claims that they are God is a liar and a fraud and should be arrested for blasphemy and put to death. Any man who claims another man is God is also guilty of Blasphemy. The living God is Spherical in shape and white in colour and the living white Sphere lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. You would have to die to have such an encounter with the living God.
Hafsa you say: {Fir�on only believed in the real God of Moses when he was sinking in the sea. Here I can prove through physical evidence also. His body was found in the sea. Allah told in Quraan about that his body would be saved. Where is such a claim in Exodus. It then turns out that Quran was a step ahead reveleation.
Starjade says: I have read the whole Exodus account from the Koran and so I know all of its claims. There is a debate on those matters of did that Pharaoh drown or not and was his body found or not. The writers of the Koran wrote their own tales. It did give a longer read than the Old Testament but that does not make its words valid just because of the fabrications of the writers more flamboyant words. The Sura 4:82 already admits the Koran does not come from God. And the Pharaoh believed many Times in the God of Moses then each Time he grew his doubts. Yet as the whole of Egypt was powerless against the living God of Moses then he would hardly attack his magicians. In those days they were his right hand of power. Without them he was defenseless. He was defenseless even with them but this Time they were going up against the living God of Moses and so they were going to bite the dust.
Hafsa you say: As put by another author: The Qur�an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a
sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are
heedless of Our Signs!"
Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II�s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur�anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs� body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.
Starjade says: That is interesting data I shall have to investigate when I have the free Time. Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was the Pharoah who persecuted the Hebrews. Thutmose his son by a concubine and half brother to Nefure had to be married to her when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. He became called Thutmose the 11 a Title that used to belong to Moses. The Ramesese is just another Title of Pharaoh. However, as far as I know. The body of the Pharaoh was not found or recovered. It does claim that it was in the Koran. Yet the tale says they all went into the sea after Moses and so who was left behind. I take those tales of those events with a pinch of salt.
Now I am a seeing is believing kind of a man. If they had the body of that Pharaoh then they would have entombed it. So they would have no mummified remains to examine for drowning and they would know exactly where they went into the Sea. So then they should have records and I would say lets go dig it up and look for that armies remains. Now that is archeology in the raw. Knowing of something and going searching for that evidence.
Hafsa you say: { there was no idolization in the clues I gave you that you didn�t want to follow. More specifically now:
Starjade says: I listen to all you say with intent. But you are idolizing and that in my view is clouding your judgements.
The most Logical Starjade says: So logically you are speaking of Muhammad as an acclaimed Prophet without support of any evidence. This brings that Time period after his education on the Old and New Testaments. The stories although retold are too accurate to be of pure coincidence and too Sura 4:82�d to have been sent by God. And there is only one logical conclusion that can be drawn. I would like to have had Muhammad come and face me. I would have converted him using his own Islamic laws. So then this first verse is not any evidence of how Muhammad came to know so much about the Old and New Testaments is it.? Ole Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza was a Christian believer and it is clear that Christianity had spread across the Middle East. Right into Muhammad�s own household. Hafsa you said; The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years. The most Logical Starjade says: Muhammad was of the Quraish tribe and they worshipped the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah in those days. Muhammad rose to power with the threat of anyone who profanes the Prophet must die. So they are not going to dare make a stand against Muhammad, and his idolaters and soldiers. They know they will be killed so that is a fear factor not authorisations. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a law that was in existence and was brought down from Moses by the living God himself and so then is the actual word of the living God on matters of crimes of iniquity and sin.
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. This is a witness law that is determines matters of the truth especially about statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous or sinful. It is not a matter for your own personal opinion. Even if nobody wanted to believe the evidence that is presented. If that law is fulfilled, then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious law. So then if anyone of any Time period accuses Muhammad of the crime of blasphemy because of his claims then that is a crime of iniquity and sin and he could be arrested and charged with that crime. Upon investigations by religious law it would easily be determined from the claims of Muhammad that he has absolutely no witnesses to back up his claims in fact the Sura 4:82 of the Koran disputes those claims of Muhammad including Muhammad�s belief in Jesus and the 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being. (by the new Testament writers of course) Take a closer look at my challenge to islam under Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 challenge. I am just one man who has staggering religiously superior knowledge. I challenged Islam after being goaded by Muslims. They invited me to speak on their Islamic forum where they had over 1000 Muslims waiting to defend the Koran from my God given Revelation. That very day Islam and the Koran and all the claims of Muhammad bit the Dust. Over 1000 muslims could not defend the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations and they then shirked away and by deceptions. That made my anger blaze�. Now Muhammad may not be around anymore but his followers are. In a closed Islamic world idolatry is rife and under the threats of follow or die that is how Islam expanded. But now you are entering into the rest of the world where we have a thing called religious education and not just in one religion but in all the worlds religions. And Islam and the claims of Muhammad have clearly bitten the dust. Try and reply on Muhammad�s belief in Jesus for instance. And on how 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being (through Roman Christian writers of course) Then you will see your religion of Islam fall to pieces. Especially with those very claims of Muhammad and who Muhammad proclaimed himself to being. Hafsa you said: The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians. The most Logical Starjade says: well then they did not look very hard did they. I only have to point out Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law and demand witness evidence and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran and point out many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran and ask you to speak on the beliefs of Jesus and how 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus. When Jesus claimed he was that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up. And then what can you or anyone reply when it is known the every Prophet Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being as every Muslim knows to be that very same specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That in case the point escapes you is the very Prophet that Muhammad and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being. But they did not know Jesus claimed he was that prophet and that is many serious errors in 11 Chapters of the Koran and in the words and beliefs of Muhammad who has no witnesses for any of his claims. Hafsa you have said: It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur�an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur�an. Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur�an. Starjade says: The authors of the Koran are given credits for their work in compiling that book of idolatry. The Jews knew Jesus is a fraud. The Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 proves Jesus is a fraud. The New Testament is a fraud fabricated by Roman and proved untrue by Deuteronomy law and yet those New Testament statements are writ in the Koran propagating that New Testament fraud whiles not realising just who it was Jesus was claiming himself to being.? How can you explain away 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus and speaking of the New Testament Roman Christians fabricated text existing in the Koran when logically it would have had to have been taught by a Christian? Muhammad and Jesus are both proclaiming without any witness proof that they are the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18. That is why the Christians called Jesus the King of the Jews and why they called Muhammad that Prophet to the Nations. It just defies logic. There clearly was a Christian influence because no real Jews would ever make such statements about Jesus being that long awaited prophet. But Muhammad being taught Jesus was genuine believed in him. Now that is illogical when you consider the claims of Muhammad himself. And we know the authors of the Koran and it is not Allah or the fabricated (cough) angel Gabriel.
Hafsa you said: Proves how true your interpretation of this verse is!
Starjade says: I do not make interpretations. The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a law that determines matters of the truth. I have had Islamic and Christian experts trying to dispute those matters of the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and they all failed to dispute the matter. It is a law brought down by Moses from the living God himself. You do recall who Moses is don�t you.? And who the living God of Moses is don�t you. The law of Deuteronomy is self explanatory. And it is the actual word of the living God.
Of course as you give worship to a pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah. But even you will have heard of the living God of Moses. The living God of Moses is the living God. I am a Prophet who does have a provable connection to the living God. That is why I can challenge the whole of Islam bites the Dust. I also challenged the Christians and they also bit the Dust. I am not a novice.
Hafsa you ask. { What�s your real name if you�re not a novice? And what was the faith of your parents if you are neither a Christian nor a Jew?
Starjade says: Well now you are encroaching into personal business that is none of yours. My name is Starjade the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet. That is all you need to know. It is clear that I am not a novice and the living God gave birth to me and I am an Alien resident. So if you want to know what religion the living God has then I cannot reply an answer as the living God is God and does not give worship to any false Gods.
Hafsa you say: Also kindly don�t use Green colour in this discussion as it causes confusion b/w you and me, and it is the color of islam. }
Starjade says; Jade is a green colour and I am the Starjade. I do create contrast and word all my replies with my name in front so we do not get mixed up. See my way of writing is most logical. The colour of Islam is grey because that is the color of Dust.
Hafsa you say: {I suppose this is wishful thinking on your part. And so is the rest of your tale which I don�t even consider for replying.
Starjade says:
Hardly
wishful think when I am here Challenging Islam with these facts and
you all are afraid to reply. When are your chicken legged Imams
daring to come online then?
Let me see you dare a reply about Jesus and the 11 Chapters of the Koran
glorifying Jesus then if you are so confident.
Of course you are conveniently ignoring those many errors that exist
in the Koran that are staring you right in the face.
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Kayyam you said: Starjade, You have made a mistake with the Egyptian history and you are in complete denial about it. I have given you 5 links, including the BBC and Wikipedia which support me. The only female pharoah was Maatkare. Starjade says: In your links they also spoke of Cleopatra. I forgot about her. And even your shallow links admitted Nefure Hatshepsut was a female Pharaoh so your argument is lost. I am hardly in denial. The data in your links collected by those writers is in error. I spent days off the Internet {which was really tough for me who lives in cyberspace} studying Egyptian history and specifically Nefure Hatshepsut.
My Data is correct and I did not make any error. The Muslim I was in conversations with was hoping to find error in what I said as he sure as hell would be checking the matter out. I was researching wether or not Nefure Hatshepsut was married at the Time she adopted Moses and she was not. There are many varieties of Statements about Nefure Hatshepsut and not all of them give the same data. Be more diligent.
The links you gave I read everyone of them and even copied their
data to disc. They did not even mention Moses. They made
many mistakes including claiming a person was called Hatshepsut when
that is just a Title. Those writers in the links did not even
know who Semnut was. That was Moses by the way whiles your link
writers claimed it was someone else. They did not even know Nefure
Hatshepsut was the one who adopted Moses. Anyways I have replied
on those matters. I stand by all I have said.
Starjade says: I think you are seriously overestimating me for your own convenience. And Marwin instead of sitting in shadows why not come online and explain away why Muhammad believed in Jesus and why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Not forgetting that Jesus claimed he was that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up.
Then give me a good belly laugh and tell us all exactly which Prophet it is that Muhammad is claiming himself to being. And then try and say that there are no errors in the Koran and see if we believe you. As for you Kayyam you are going to have to do better than this. I researched Nefure Hatshepsut myself and I stand by my words because they are giving the correct data regarding these matters of who adopted Moses. Of course you would want to believe some other. But their data did not even discuss Moses and they did not even know Nefure Hatshepsut had adopted Moses in fact they did not mention Moses at all and so who do you think they are to talk when they are not that diligent.
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SO, YOU MEAN A
"RAPE VICITM" CAN BE CALLED A "RELUCTANT RECIPIENT OF
HUMAN SPERM"??? - HEY, THIS IS THE SAME THING CHUMP!!! GET A LIFE
OR A MASTER CARD!!!
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Just
for you Kayyam and anyone else who passes by. Kayyam here are some links giving a clearer message of Egyptian history and of Nefure Hatshepsut. Clearly you just do not want to accept my words on these matters then read the words of others.
After all it was not some big secret.
There is an interesting inscription by Hatshepsut of the 18th ... Pharaoh's daughter" NEFURE /HATSHEPSUT. Moses SENMUT. (Moses- con't) HATSHEPSUT XNEM AMEN. THUTMOSES 2. Pharaoh when he fled THUTMOSES 3/ AMENHOTEP 2 ...
WHO WAS PHARAOH'S DAUGHTER? The next question that must be ... Her names were Nefure and Hatshepsut. She was referred to as "Nefure" when we ... She (Nefure) convinced her father, the pharaoh, to make her little adopted
"Pharaoh's daughter", NEFURE/HATSHEPSUT.
Moses, SENMUT HATSHEPSUT XNEM AMEN THUTMOSES 2. Pharaoh
when he fled, THUTMOSES 3/AMENHOTEP 2 ...
Starjade concludes. Now I looked at that blabber of links you supplied with all their annoying Blabberwocky. Now read how the matters should have been said. And after taking these into consideration say to yourself.
Starjade is the only King of this Castle.
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Romans were not the first to nail people alive to trees, they were just the first to hone it into a fine, longlasting method of torture. I do not believe Surah 4 is any evidence that the Qu'ran is not of God. It says the Pharaoh threatened to nail these people to "palm trees". That's what grows in Egypt. I believe the account is correct. ez
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ezkl9four you said: Romans were not the first to nail people alive to trees, they were just the first to hone it into a fine, longlasting method of torture.
Starjade says: The Christians have a debate going on. Some say the fabricated false Prophet Jesus died upon a cross whiles others insist it was a Tree. Of course the character Jesus was depicted as dying upon the Cross but the Christ died upon a Tree. All tales of course stolen from statements made in Psalms a thousand years earlier. Old Testament quotes not Christian.
Psalms 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? Psalms 35:3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation. Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
ezkl9four you said: I do not believe Surah 4 is any evidence that the Qu'ran is not of God.
Starjade says: The Sura 4:82 states. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. There is a Challenge in Islam that is open to all Muslims and non Muslims. The challenge is to find just one error in the Koran. If one error exists in the Koran that that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. Find many many errors in the Koran is absolute unarguable proof. God does not make mistakes.
ezkl9four you said: It says the Pharaoh threatened to nail these people to "palm trees". That's what grows in Egypt. I believe the account is correct.
Starjade
says: The Old Testament written many thousands of years before
the Koran says those magicians were not threatened at all. It
only claims they were threatened with death in the Koran. Later
in the Koran by the way they are not crucified. In fact the magicians
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It has been established by the Sura 4:82 challenge that the Koran did
not come from God as Muhammad has claimed and that fact also reflects
upon the claims of Muhammad himself who has been found to be presumptuous
to think he could speak in Gods name.
I note that all Muslims shirk the fact that Muhammad believed in Jesus
and that 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet
that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being
Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words.
A fact I have also pointed out is not true in accordance with the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15, which does establish that Jesus is a fraud due to the fact that he has no witnesses.
The New Testament writers and Jesus lnew of this Old Testament Deuteronomy
law Ch 19 v 15. They often used the character Jesus in getting
that Deuteronomy law across to the congregations.
So then the Koran stands against the actual words of the living God
and the laws brought down from the living God by Moses himself.
Tsk Tsk Tsk� In 11 Chapters of the Koran no less. Tsk Tsk Tsk. And Jesus
was claimed at birth to be authenticated by the fabricated Angel Gabriel
and then in later life proclaimed himself to being that long awaited
Prophet of Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18. And yet this Angel Gabriel
originated as a man that Daniel had dreamt up whiles he was in a deep
sleep.
And then again another serious error in the Koran apart from those 11
Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus
was proclaimed as being and in this belief Muhammad had in the authenticity
of Jesus. Is this most strange claim then by Muhammad and the
Koran that Muhammad alone is that Prophet to the Nation.
Muhammad claimed as every Muslim world wide knows. Muhammad claimed
that he alone was that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that God promised
Moses he would raise up. The Koran glorifies Muhammad as being
that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
And also authenticated by this very same angel Gabriel that was fabricated
by Luke and yet Gabriel had originated as a man that Daniel had dreamed
up whiles he was in a deep sleep.
Now the living God only promised he would raise up one Prophet not true. It is most strange and even impossible for both Jesus and Muhammad to have been that same specific Prophet and both authenticated by the very same fabricated Angel Gabriel who is clearly depicted as saying Jesus first and Muhammad are that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Even whiles Muhammad and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet. Even though the Living God only Promised to raise up only one Prophet not two and so it is clear that one or both must be lying even though it is clear by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 that neither Jesus or Muhammad have any actual witnesses to back up their claims.
Now just getting things into perspective. It is clear that the Koran has some very serious errors within its pages that Muslims world wide are in denial over. Hence this Islamic shirky silence. It is so very hard to argue against the truth of things and Muslims world wide can see you can give no answer. Neither can your chicken legged Imams who are afraid to face the Revelations of the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade who is clearly vastly superior in religious knowledge than anybody living or dead on this planet.
Sura 4:82: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it
had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found
much discrepancy therein.
Apart from the many errors that I have shown exist in the Koran there
are also those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being that
Deuteronomy Prophet. But of course those Islamic writers did not
realise the claims of Jesus even though they were well known and that
was why they called Jesus the King of the Jews in the belief he alone
was that prophet to the Nation.
I suggest you do some soul searching and think long and hard at the Islamic law I have invoked. Sticking your heads in the Sand does not make these matters go away. I wonder just what it is you all are worshipping. Can it be the idols of your ancestors making those Golden Calves? Or did you want to give your worship up only to the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade.
The Living God is Spherical in shape and white in colour and it lives
beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space.
If you are not giving your worship to the Living God of Moses then you are not worshipping the living God at all. To worship any false God then that makes you guilty of Blasphemy. I am someone who can be proven to be a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and I have a knowledge of a series of world wide earthquakes. The penalty for Blasphemy is a death by stoning. So then my hands become tied. Your fate will become sealed unless you search for this last opportunity of Redemption for only in that will you find Salvation.
Without you changing your Blasphemous way. You will be stoned
to death in earthquake rubble and there will be no redemption in fact
you will all become extinct.
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Now
you have all had your say. And found yourselves to be powerless
against my God given Revelations.
Speak with me now before my own books and Revelations become openly
sold to the congregations. It is clear what they will contain. And you
can all just tell the much loved Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Doomsday
prophet Starjade will be not be the one hiding I will be openly challenging
your Imams in a more public arena. And under Islamic law via the
Sura 4:82 challenge. Your Imams will be the ones hiding
and shirking in the eyes of the public media. Or did you all forget.
Muslims challenged me to challenge Islam. And under Islamic law
that protects my right to speak and forces you to accept what are found
to be true and reject what is proven to be false.
It is clear it is obvious that I am someone who likes these religious
conflicts especially as I am the only one who always wins. I will
not let you all just hide away shirking and burying your heads in the
sand.
I am not like anyone or anything you have ever seen. You can see with your own eyes Islam is powerless against me and you cannot defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my Revelations. Islam has bitten the Dust and it is Time you all woke up and faced the reality of the Revelations I have given and remind yourself that was done under Islamic law that says you Muslims must reject what is not true.
Bury your heads in the sand if you must become that Shirking Kuffar.
But that will leave you all with just one orifice left to talk out of
whiles the much loved Doomsday Prophet Starjade will still not have
gone away. After all as you all know by now The Deuteronomy Doomsday
Prophet Starjade is the only Lord King of this apocalyptic castle and
all those false pretenders to my Throne will still continue to bite
the Dust.
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I am exacting and specific and to the point. So why have
you not replied to those many errors clearly existing in the Koran.
Is your own religious knowledge limited then. 
Why not go and ask Dr. Deen for some advice. 
If
you laugh the matter of these serious religious Revelations off then
bear a thought in mind for that grave situation you will have led your
children into. 