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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Starjade
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Katatonic bliss you said: Hey, Starjade, want me to list some of the contradictions in your little fairy tale on your site? because I can if you really want me to. You are a false prophet. Adored by the Kabbalahists, which are nothing more than a smoke and mirrors offshoot of Judaism. Starjade says: You do what you want to do. I already left a link to those errors and no Muslim dares to take them on. Those 21 errors in the Koran still stand undisputed. As for the Kabbalists. They do not believe that anyone cane meet God. They are not followers of me nor am I followers of them. In fact at my last conversation with them many years ago I warned them to stay out of my way and so far they did. They are still Jews though who still have contact with millions of other Jews world wide and there own printing presses and so that was why I saw them of use. Of course then I discovered their stupid Sabbatai Zevi the other false claimant to being the Deuteronomy Messiah. After he was forced to become a Muslim under the threat of death the Kabbalists became a much hated people amongst the Jews so they would be of little use to me. So get your facts right for a change. Katatonic bliss you said: I have discussed Sura 4:82 with you, but you don't seem to want to pay attention. Your mind is closed and your heart is veiled. Verily, God has placed this veil over you. So, drop your arrogance, and then message me when you're ready to talk.
Starjade says: Look here most gobby Katatonic bliss your conversations
were limited and the Challenge of the Sura 4:82 has already been broken
in many places and Islam is already in defeat. But anytime you
want to discuss those Sura 4:82 errors in the Koran I shall be happy
to do so. Why not chatter about this matter of who adopted
Moses. Other Muslims seem to all want to shirk that error being
proven to exist in the Koran. Or do you have a special error that
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iris89 you said: Hi Katatonic Bliss It seems strange to see a follower of a false prophet calling another a false prophet when in reality if you follow a false prophet you should readily follow another.Your friend in Christ Iris89 Starjade says: Well now Iris I did not see Katatonic bliss mention Jesus at all. And as you well know I can be established by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 to be a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the living God and so you sure as hell have not been referring to me. How Starjade can be established by religious law to be a Porphet with a provable connection to the living God. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
Starjade concludes. So then you must have been meaning the false
Prophet Jesus who cannot satisfy Deuteronomy laws with his silly claims
to being a Prophet. Yet I did not actually see Katatonic bliss
mention Jesus at all. So then why not be more clear with your
accusations. And just a minute I thought you were a follower of
the false Prophet jesus (tee hee) You women eh. Always got
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reality786 you said: This is funny, The most occupt and contradictory book which is the bible and the followers of the corrupt bible are accusing islam. Starjade says: I think the word you wanted was corrupt. Well that is mainly the new Testament of course after all it promotes the false Prophet Jesus under the most laffy of circumstances so what could you expect. By the way I know it seems a vague point but the Old Testament is not Christian the new testament is Christian and just cos some goon Romans add their fabricated new testament onto the Old Testament that does not make it just one book it still remains two. Oh and I am not bound within the confines of any particular liturgical form of worship and I accuse Christianity and Islam of crimes of iniquity and sin and they are found guilty by that Judgment. reality786 you said: I ask under what basis, the Quran was written right after the passing of our noble prophet. Starjade smiles: I think perhaps that is most tempting to reply a answer to. Passing eh what purpose for someone doing the passing thing. But I shall refrain. First point what actual evidence do you have that Muhammad is a Prophet and what evidence do you have that Jesus is a Prophet. Do they satisfy Deuteronomy law that decides such things via two or three witnesses? Isnt it a fact that neither Jesus or Muhammad have any witnesses at all. reality786 you said: The bible has been written by many different authors centuries at times after the passing of christ, and then europeanized. Starjade says: See there you go mentioning the Christ which is a mushroom that grows upon the Tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden. Tsk Tsk Tsk. The Christ is not Jesus and so what are you really talking about then.? If you speak of Jesus speak of jesus by name but if you speak of the hidden fruit that grew upon the Tree of knowledge well then that is the Christ. And the Old testament is not Christian it is Jewish and the Jews do not accept Jesus and why should they when their own Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 laws prove that Jesus is a fraud. reality786 you said: I ask you, is it even logical for something as corrupt and tainted as christianty and for its followers to attempt to atack islam. Starjade says: As a matter of fact it is because Jesus claimed that he was that prophet of Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 that god promised Moses he would raise up that is why they call Jesus the King of the Jews. Then 1000 years later Muhammad proclaimed that he himself was that Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up and that is why Muslims say Muhammad is that Prophet to the Nation. However the Living God only Promised to raise up only one Prophet. Not two so either Jesus or Muhammad one or the other or both must be lying and must be frauds. The problem
however is that despite the views of Christians and Muslims and the
claims of their false Prophets. Neither Jesus or Muhammad have
any actual witnesses for their claims. Neither can satisfy Deuteronomy
law and prove their silly fraudulent and blasphemous claims.
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Bill2702 you said: StarJade, You have said that you have seen off all who challenge you. Starjade says; Some have shirked away and others stayed but could not defend their religious beliefs. Bill2702 you said: They aren't defeated, they just need to wipe the brick dust from their foreheads and find some asprin. Starjade says: I just bet a few Muslims and Christians here do batter their heads on a brick wall that should teach them not to enter a debate they have no hope of winning. I did warn everyone in the begi9nnings and also proved that Koran did not come from God at the start. So why go to sea in a boat full of holes and hope that you could swim. Bill2702 you said: You must bore your God to death?Dont bother responding. I wont be checking this thread any more. It's worse than watching DRY PAINT. Starjade
says: Oh you just know I shall respond so wassammater are you
a bit miffed. I say curiosity will bring you back for a looksee.
And trust me the living God just loves me to bits. I am after
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Starjade
says|: yes those atheists are a daft people aren�t they.
They pretend they do not believe and have no religion yet feel a need
to stick their snouts into religious discussions it�s a mad old world
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reality786 you said: YES the bibel was MASSIVLY corrupted, its meant to be the word of God BUt it isnt even that, its then said to be the word and life of jesus [real name Isa. you people cant even keep his name correct] Starjade says: Actually it is only the Old Testament that is considered by those religious followers to be the actual word of the living God and the new Testament is considered just a belief. So you are in error and those who follow those religions know it is two books in one. Not just one book as you think. reality786 you said: After the passing of prophet isa, you destroyed and corrupted the will of God, You began to worship the messenger rather then the message giver you deified the prophet. You are greatly insulting the propeht Isa, You are humiliating him his purpose was to spread the will of God and instead you christians corupt it and worship the messenger instead. Starjade says: Regarding this name Issa The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it. Starjade says|: You do know Jesus is a fraud as can easily be proven by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. Muhammad cannot satisfy that Deuteronomy law either. These facts are already established. So what you believe is in error. reality786 you said: Disgracefull and Pathetic. The Bible was wirrten by many different authors who didnt even know each other, how are they have meant to keep the bible accurate, and on what information did they base the bible on, what source, who told them.. Starjade says: Well the Old Testament came from the Hebrews. How come you did not know that then. ? The New Testament obviously started out with the Romans and a few Blaspheming Jews. reality786 you said: Its all sheer corruption, and then when the church became all powerfull and euopeanized the end of christianty was sealed they made christianity into a hybrid of pagan cultures and distorted and corrupted beliefs. Starjade says: yeah lets all get the Christians and crucify them eh. It nearly worked the last Time :) Then lets get the Muslims and lets get those daft fellows who dance around lampposts trying to make the rest of the world happy eh. :) reality786 you said: You think jesus is white, you think santa clause and the easter bunny are religious figures, christams is a paethic materialistic event and EVEN then its NOT at the time when jesus was born Christians just stole the 25th of december because its the pagan winter solctice and they thought they may convert pagans. Starjade says: And they did the Negro slave trade and Adolph Hitler was a Roman Catholic and the NAZI was all cos Jesus was a Nazirene. Tsk Tsk Tsk not a good show eh. And they burned witches if the rumour is believed and we all know they did other stuff as well as walking all over Islamic countries and they even had the Gall to plant a flag on the moon. Tsk Tsk Tsk. The pagan moon god hubal al�ilah will not be happy about that. And a Christian shot Bambi (sniff) And they planned on eating the easter bunny too (Eeeek) reality786 you said: The list is endless... Starjade says: yes endless endless. Shall we list out what the other religions did whiles on this planet too.? reality786 you said: After centuries and centuries of corruption they then had the reformation which ended chistianity as a faith, NOW after centuries of christians banging on about hell and destruction they talk about hippy love, and sacrafice. Starjade says: yeah hippy stuff that�s a good one sex and drugs and rock and roll. Yippee salvation on that horizon. reality786 you said: Save it.......YOU know your faith if corrupt, You KNOW Islam is the destined will of God and Muhammed is the seal of the prophets. Starjade
says: Hahahahaha you have heard of the Sura 4:82 havent you and
how many errors and discrepancies are found in the Koran proving that
the Koran does not come from God. Well then now you are walking
the same path as those Christians did.
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OK Starjade, I will give you straight up answers. First, I would like to comment that you have horrible writing skills, as you somehow managed to repeat yourself over and over up to 'verse' 145. 1. your first 'error' gives no stated error of Qur'anic text. See, if you want to say the Qur'an has errors, then you must provide textual proof. Basically what you did is you said: "The Qur'an has errors, contradicts the Bible, so it's wrong because I said so." That is Fool's logic Starjade. until you can quote from the Qur'an, and error, you have no argument. I haven't seen any other final revelations from God, and yours is no different. I can't believe any 'prophet' who uses pagan images such as dragons in their documents. 2. Your second claim, AGAIN, provides no textual proof of any error within the Qur'an. All you're doing in disputing whether Gabriel is an angel, or nonexistent. Well, let's see... the fact that an uneducated camel herder was able to recite such eloquent text containing as much scientific accuracy as it did Revelation pretty much debunks your theory. Whether or not Gabriel existed or not is not a point of relevance, because the Qur'an is still here. What's even more intriguing is that you try to use the Bible's corruption to prove your point. Muhammad never read the Bible. He couldn't read. You have no firm proof that Gabriel does not exist, because all evidence goes to the contrary of your argument. 3. finally, a half baked attempt. Jesus is not the prophet of Deuteronomy. That is the Muslim stance. The Qur'an makes no acknowledgement of the specific prophecy, so there is no error. This 'argument' is based on the debates that Christians and Muslims have over the Prophet of Deuteronomy. No Error. 4. Read more, moron. in the four synoptic Gospels, God literally speaks and says, This is my son [Servant]. There are your two witnesses that you want. 5. Muhammad recited God's Word. His belief in Jesus was a side effect of getting revelation from God right from his own mouth. This 'error' is grounded firmly in your belief that Jesus was a false prophet. Your stance is unsuprisingly Jewish. It was prophecized that the Jews would reject Jesus as the Messiah and a prophet. You're only fulfilling that prophecy. Just because Jesus claimed to be a prophet doesn't mean he's referring to the Deuteronomy prophecy. If Jesus is not the Deuteronomy Prophet, then there is no illogic in assuming Muhammad is the prophet. 6. Jesus had at least 12 freakin' witnesses following him around for half his life! Muhammad regularly had witnesses when he had revelations. No error. Furthermore, Jewish Law is dead. It was modified when God sent Jesus, and rewritten when God sent down the Qur'an. 7. See, now you're just being a moron. If Gabriel was a Christian fabrication, how could Muhammad, uneducated and illiterate, know about Gabriel? He never read the Bible or the Torah. You must also realize that when the texts of the Bible were written, most people were JEWS. if you don't want to believe Muhammad on Gabriel, then don't. I've already discussed Gabriel's existence in my first point. So, technically, you're just repeating yourself again, as all this is is another challenge to Gabriel's existence. 8. Moses wrote about Muhammad in Deuteronomy. Isaiah wrote about Muhammad in Isaiah 42. 9. There is more than one prophecy in the Torah, and WAY more than one prophecy made by Isaiah. Now, this may just be me, but maybe there were different prophecies to Jesus than there were to Muhammad? Yes, I think that is the only logical conclusion without making yourself look like a complete hack. 10. Again with another claim of whether Gabriel exists or not. This is the crux of every Gabriel argument with you. Refer to the first point. 11. I already gave you the prophecies from both Moses and Isaiah. no error. 12. Idiot. Muhammad is the last prophet. The key word in Jesus' SECOND coming is that he will come AGAIN. Jesus is already recognized as a prophet and came before Muhammad. There will be no more uniquely different prophets for humanity, therefore, Muhammad was the last. No error. 13. see, now this claim, I think you're trying to justify your own claim as a prophet of God. Unlike other prophets, you contradict not only their words, but your own. I've read on your site that reading or quoting from the NT is blasphemous, but you seem to do it without a care in the world.. Nice going, hypocrite. Muhammad is the last prophet. By your own laws, you should be stoned to death. 14. Again, you contradict yourself. You say that they had no witnesses, but then again you say that they had followers. see, you can't just say that they had no witnesses then denounce the witnesses that they had. this is like standing in a forest and saying that trees don't exist. 15. Considering that you have not found one error in the text of the Qur'an [all your 'errors' are general polemics and are pitted against your beliefs. It's like telling someone they're wrong for liking vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate], your claim is baseless. Muhammad was the last prophet. It was prophecized that there would be many false prophets until Jesus returned, and you ain't Jesus. Thank you for fulfilling another prophecy. 16. Isaiah 42, moron. 17. Seperate prophecys. We've been over this and you're repeating yourself again. Your claim to prophethood is like dust in the wind, scattered and blowing away. 18. Allah is not a pagan moon god. it is the Arabic translation of the Aramaic 'Allahi' which is the name that Jesus used, which is an Aramaic translation of 'Elohi' which is what Moses used. If you look at the facts, you'll see that there is no pagan moon god in Islam. 19. see above. Muhammad and Jesus are both prophets, you are not. Its their Words, God's Word and three books against yours, and your word contradicts itself and rambles on like a high school dropout trying to pick up a hooker. 20. you seem to have either short term memory or you're just stupid. Quit repeating yourself. this entire list could be compiled into about 3 or 4 separate claims. see above. 21. again with the repeating questions!!! You have proven nothing except you like to revisit the same damn topics!!! See above!!!
You are no prophet of God! You never once addressed any Qur'anic
text, just general religious beliefs, and most of them dealt with the
Bible. go back to Jr. High and learn how to write a successful
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starjade:
more funny thing .. u r the one who started the subject of allah i
am not what u think, i used to tell u about how u play with possibilities
with pharao's wife issue, after ur replay i figured out u r kid and
no more, u r the one who proved that, i laghed alot when i found u are
claiming prophecy
very good one when u said we worship an idol, when all our life and
history based on fighting idols.. for ur information allah was know to arab before Ibrahim PBUH the prophet, just read my arabic article..
man i am inviting u to visit an arabic website...in sha' alla u will
have fun there... by the way this website will teach u all the thing u learned about egyptian history and translation based on estimation.. http://www.freewebtown.com/salma/
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Hi Everyone Let�s deal with variations, missing verses, and other errors in the Quran: Members of Islam are so busy throwing figurative stones at the Bible that they fail to see that their holy book, the Quran, is nothing but a distorted knockoff of the Bible with Arabian tradition and some items from the Talmud, Babylon or eastern, thrown in. Many Variant Readings of the Quran Muslims attack the Bible on the grounds that it sometimes has conflicting wording from different manuscripts. Yet this is exactly the case with the text of the Quran. There are many conflicting readings on the text of the Quran as Arthur Jeffery has demonstrated in his book, Material for the History of the Text of the Quran [New York, Russell F. Moore, 1952]. At one point Jeffery gives 90 pages of variant readings on the text. For example, in Sura 2 there are over 140 conflicting and variant readings on the text of the Quran. All Western and Muslim scholars admit the presence of variant readings in the text of the Quran ([ashti, 23 Years, p. 28; Mandudi, Meaning of the Quran, pp. 17-18; McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia, V152]. "It is interesting to note that in scholarly Muslim journals, there is beginning to be a grudging acknowledgment of the fact that there are variant and conflicting readings on the text of the Quran" [One example would be Saleh al-Wahaihu, "A Study of Seven Quranic Variants," International Journal of Islamic and Arabic Studies, Vol. V (1989), #2, pp. 1-57]. Some Verses Missing According to Professor Guillaume in his book, Islam, some of the original verses of the Quran were lost.[source - Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, New York; Liberal Arts Press, 1958,PP. 191ff.]. For example, one Sura originally had 200 verses in the days of Ayesha. But by the time Uthman standardized the text of the Quran, it had only 73 verses! A total of 127 verses had been lost, and they have never been recovered. The Shiite Muslims claim that Uthman left out 25 percent of the original verses in the Quran for political reasons [cClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia, V:152]. That there are verses which got left out of Uthman's version of the Quran is universally recognized (Shorter Encyclopedia off Islam, pp. 278-282; Guillaume, Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, New York; Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 191; Wherry, A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, pp. 110-111). John Burton's book, The Collection of the Quran, which was published by Cambridge University, documents how such verses were lost [London University Press, 1977, pp. 117ff. See also Arthur Jeffery, Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, New York; Liberal Arts Press, 1958, pp. 66-68]. Burton states concerning the Muslim claim that the Quran is perfect: "The Muslin accounts of the history of the Quran texts are a mass of confusion, contradiction and inconsistencies" ([urton, Collection, p. 231]. Changes in the Quran One interesting way that some off the original verses of the Quran were lost is that a follower of Muhammad named Abdollah Sarh would make suggestions to Muhammad about rephrasing, adding to, or subtracting from the Suras. Muhammad often did as Sarh suggested. Ali Dashti explains what happened: "Abdollah renounced Islam on the ground that the revelations, if from God, could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as he. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qoray****es" [Dashti, 23 Years, p. 98]. It is no wonder that when Muhammad conquered Mecca one of the first people he killed was Abdollah, for he knew too much and opened his mouth too often. Some Verses Abrogated In the abrogation process spoken of earlier, verses which are contradictory to Muslim faith and practice have been removed from the text, such as the "satanic verses" in which Muhammad approved of the worship of the three goddesses, the daughters of Allah. The Arabic scholar E. Wherry comments: "There being some passages in the Quran which are contradictory, the Muhammadan doctors obviate any objection from thence by the doctrine of abrogation; for they say that God in the Quran commanded several things which were for good reasons afterwards revoked and abrogated" [A Comprehensive Commentary on the Qurun, p. 110]. Wherry goes on to document numerous examples of verses taken out of the Quran. Canon Sell in his work, Historical Development of the Quran, also comments on the practice of abrogating verses out of the Quran if they are troublesome: "It is to us astounding how so compromising a procedure can have been permitted to be introduced into the system by friends and foes [Madras: Diocesan Press, 1923, pp. 36-37]. Some Verses Added Not only have parts of the Quran been lost, but entire verses and chapters have been added to it. For example, Ubai had several Suras in his manuscript of the Quran which Uthman omitted from his standardized text. Thus there were Qurans in circulation before Uthman's text which had additional revelations from Muhammad that Uthman did not find or approve of, and thus he failed to place them in his text. No Originals As to the claim that the original manuscript of the Quran is still in existence, we have already pointed out there was no single "manuscript" of the Quran. Caesar Farah in his book on Islam, states: "When Muhammad died there existed no singular codex of the sacred text" [Caesar Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York; Barrons, 1987, p. 28]. The Shorter Encyclopedia off Islam comments: "One thing only is certain and is openly recognized by tradition, namely, that there was not in existence any collection of revelations in the final form, because, as long as he was alive, new revelations were being added to the earlier ones" [source - The Shorter Encyclopedia off Islam, p. 271]. Some of the pre-Islamic Sources for material in the Quran Arabian Sources The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true. "Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" [G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283]. "The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" [Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29]. The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day [Suras 2:65; 7:163-166]. The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends. In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine [Sura 18:9-26]! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore. The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time [Sura 2:260]. Now if anyone wants more evidence, let me know and I shall provide. For more information, go to: http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi?action=display&boar d=growingup&thread=1142027200&page=1 Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Hi Smiley I have already plenty of resources including many of B F Westcott and J A Hort work in my library. You should have noted the many reference works I used even in my short comment on the Bible knockoff the Quran. And I have written extensively on Bible canon, go to: http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi?action=display&boar d=religious&thread=1142042717&page=1 Bible Canon And some of the so called reference books you refer to are just Muslim garbage. Be sure, I am well aware of the good and the bad reference books on textual criticism. It is obvious you do not realize I am a very good independent researcher and excellent on digging out facts, check out my latest article. http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi?action=display&boar d=growingup&thread=1142027200&page=1
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Well hello there everyone.
Starjade says: Well hello again Katatonic bliss. So you have some critical view eh :) Well I have saved your data to disc as my Time is taxed today and shall take a look at what you have said later before I pass comments but. :) I have been complimented on my writing ability which is most prolific. Why even I get fascinated by what I write when I read it back later so don�t you think you are being a bit touchy. Anyways any critical view can only make me better so I shall hear what you have to say before I comment at any length. OK. And yes sometime I do need to repeat myself as a reminder for others it is a learning thing that is also used in the Old Testament text as that reminder and to stress certain important points. Anyways I have not yet read what you have written as it is saved to disc. I shall be looking later.
And do not think I will be offended as I say criticism in my view will
show me any errors or better ways of putting some point across so its
all OK. I am assuming you are referring to the End of Times web
site which is still under editing but I just have not had the Time.
I shall read what you have said and reply after giving what you have
said some consideration and explanation which may appease your critical
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loommmool you said: starjade: yes,, you stupid.. what a great kid.. Starjade says: My body is 50 yrs old and I am longer and wiser in the tooth than you are. Already I have taught you things you did not know before and look at you being so ungrateful. loommmool you said: more funny thing .. u r the one who started the subject of allah how pathatic.. Starjade says: yep I was bound to mention the pagan moon god eventually. It is a a silly things isn�t it. So do you howl at the moon then. loommmool you said: i am not what u think, i used to tell u about how u play with possibilities with pharao's wife issue, after ur replay i figured out u r kid and no more, u r the one who proved that, i laghed alot when i found u are claiming prophecy , Starjade says: I love playing Chess and in such a game both players can see exactlty what moves the other has. I am formidable. The matter of the Pharaohs wife is a matter of known history and Nefure Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. So then that is an error proven to exist in the Koran. There are many more error existing in the Koran and that Pharaohs wife thing was just one of the Tame ones. Try and answer the matter of Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran believing in Jesus when Jesus claimed that he was that Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they call Jesus the King of the jews. Yet Muhammad claims that the same angel Gabriel that was claimed to have appeared to authenticate Jesus then appeared to Muhammad to tell Muhammad that he was that Deuteronomy Prophet instead. It just does not make any sense at all and I noticed you did not even attempt an explanation of such things. In fact I doubt you even knew those fact that show 11 Chapters of errors in the Koran. So your not so clever so be the wise and not try to act as if you are. Also the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes that I am a genuine Prophet who has already prophesied real earthquakes and a volcano erupting. Deuteronomy law is a law brought down by Moses from the living God so that law is the actual word of the Living God and the Living God then establishes that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God. So then are you saying you do not accept or believe the actual word of the living God. Tsk Tsk Tsk. I can state openly that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God because it is true and undisputable. Nobody can stand up against the law and the word of the living God unless they are Demons in which case they are of no consequence. As these things can be proven then I can openly speak about such unbelievable things knowing others would doubt and yet upon those conversations my word is already easily proven true now Judge for yourself and see my word is true by Deuteronomy law. Judge the Proof Starjade is an established prophet by Deuteronomy law. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm loommmool you said: i laghed more when u talked about allah.. and arabic, and quraan, i laghed more and more and more when u reply on me.. .. Starjade says: Well enjoy your laughter for soon the smile will be gone. loommmool you said: very good one when u said we worship an idol, when all our life and history based on fighting idols.. u want to prove something stupid.. Starjade says: I do know what Muslims are up to and it is not any fault of mine that Allah is a pagan moon god. My God is the living God of Abraham and of Moses but your God is Hubal al�ilah the pagan moon god which is the roots of Islam. loommmool you said: for ur information allah was know to arab before Ibrahim PBUH the prophet, just read my arabic article.. Starjade
says: For your information I have studied the history of Islam
and its archeology and Allah originated as Hubal al�ilah the pagan moon
God and Muhammad and his family used to worship that moon god at the
Kabba. Then Muhammad got a whiff of Christinaity and he then disproved
of the worship of Hubal al�ilah which would give others a bad impression
and he took away the name Hubal and shortened Al�ilah to Allah.
I will still read your comments though but understand they are just
your views. Muhammad and others convinced new converts that they
worshipped the living God of Abraham but that was a scam and not true.
Now answer me what God is it that you pray to. Is it the imaginary
moon god or is it the living God of Abraham or some imaginary god.
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Katatonic bliss you said: 1. your first 'error' gives no stated error of Qur'anic text. See, if you want to say the Qur'an has errors, then you must provide textual proof. Starjade says: All I have to do is establish that many errors and discrepancies exist in the Koran. . The Sura 4:82 points out that if one error or discrepancy exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. Anyone with common sense and religious knowledge will see that many errors do exist in the Koran. You are going to read many of those errors here in this statement.
That is the claim of the Koran and yet this book is not Gods word or final revelation and even by the Sura 4:82 the Koran admits if any errors or discrepancies exist in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God and so it is not any god given revelation. The Koran is not as perfect as Muslims would have you believe and this claim it makes is untrue. Therefore, it is not Gods word and not the final revelation that is the error in the Koran and it is an Islamic deception. The very fact that errors exist in the words of the Koran prove that it is not Gods word. So the Koran is in error. What can you say to dispute this fact. You already have seen lists of errors that do exist in the Koran. And so this is a true proven error in the claims of the Koran. Katatonic bliss you said: Basically what you did is you said: "The Qur'an has errors, contradicts the Bible, so it's wrong because I said so." That is Fool's logic Starjade. Starjade says: What I am saying is the Koran is full of errors many do contradict Old Testament text which is the source of data on such religious matters. Then I am saying the Koran admits that it does not come from the living God of Abraham as the Sura 4:82 states For if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. The Allah spoken of in that Sura 4:82, is claimed to be the living God of Abraham of course and not the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah. I quoted the Sura 4:82 to many Muslims as you well know and showed hundreds of errors that exist in the Koran so it illogical of you to even attempt to dispute the claim that the Koran did not come from God and it is not the final revelation. The Koran admits it does not come from God by the Sura 4:82 and some 500 errors do exist in the Koran. I was not voicing an opinion. I showed those many errors in the Koran to the congregations and I was not voicing any opinion. I deal with facts not opinions as you well know. Katatonic bliss you said: until you can quote from the Qur'an, and error, you have no argument. Starjade says: Stop lying. You have often seen me showing lists of many errors exist in the Koran and these 21 errors that I also speak about. So the matter is proven and I have blown all the claims of the Koran and Muhammad right out of the water and you have seen that no Muslim could defend the Koran from my Revelations. I backed my mouth up and proved what I say is true. Katatonic bliss you said: I haven't seen any other final revelations from God, and yours is no different. I can't believe any 'prophet' who uses pagan images such as dragons in their documents. Starjade says: I am the one who has given such End of Days Revelation and if not heeded then nobody will be alive on this Planet and then you can be sure that was the final word and I even drew up maps of that apocalyptic event. And Katatonic bliss unlike Muhammad and Jesus my word is established by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. The specific things I speak about are Revelations. It is clear your intent in the beginnings are to attack me personally in the hope such abuse would change the words that I say. You should know me better than that. If my words are true then I prove that they are true and if they are false then why cannot the religious congregations prove that they are false. My word can be established as being true by Deuteronomy law which is the word of the living God. The End of Times website belongs to the Mad Philosopher Liberty Girl. She created that web site. And it is an apocalyptic web site and so why should it not be adorned with an apocalyptic image. The sound tracks for a reason that baffles me does not work so you are also missing the sound of rain and thunder and lightening and a bell tolls for thee as the links are pressed. Now why would you hate a Dragon eh. You think they are pagan and yet I have seen real Dragons in the Akashic records. So then what is this moan of yours got to do with the facts presented on that web site which are staggering genuine and true.
Katatonic bliss you said: 2. Your second claim, AGAIN, provides no textual proof of any error within the Qur'an. All you're doing in disputing whether Gabriel is an angel, or nonexistent. Starjade says: You did not pay attention of the End of Times website. Did the origin of the Angel Gabriel just pass you by. Gabriel originated in a dream Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and Daniel dreamed of a man call another man by the name of Gabriel and Daniel described a man not any angel. It is the writers of the New Testament who wrote in the Character Luke who claims Gabriel is an angel sent from God to proclaim the birth of Jesus who they depicted in later life as claiming that he was that specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is who Jesus is proclaimed himself as being. Yet Muhammad did not know who Jesus had claimed himself as being and who is claimed first to be authenticated by the angel Gabriel for Muhammad had claimed that this very same Christian angel Gabriel had appeared to squeeze Muhammad in a Cave to voice out the very text of the Koran. Mathew and Luke were not present at the birth of Jesus and so their Testimony is false Testimony in accordance with Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15. Yet it was only the claims by the Character Luke who is proven by Deuteronomy law to be a false witnesses, that this Angel Gabriel exist at all and Muhammad was getting all his religious data from Christian text. There is no angel Gabriel Luke invented that story or in truth the writers of the New Testament wrote in that claim without any proof. Katatonic bliss you said: Well, let's see... the fact that an uneducated camel herder was able to recite such eloquent text containing as much scientific accuracy as it did Revelation pretty much debunks your theory. Starjade says: I do not have any theories or opinions on these matters. I deal with facts only, not some ones opinions not even my own. Deuteronomy Law and the sura 4:82 passes Judgment very well on this matter and we all have Old and New testament text where we can check Starjades facts out which so far you have still not been able to successfully dispute. This claim by Muhammad that he was uneducated is not true. And to speak of scientific accuracy coming from Muhammad is laughable. Muhammad claims that there is a Devil in the Noses of all Muslims and they must snort up water to flush out the Devil. Muhammad claimed the sun set in a pool of muddy water. :) I can give you a list of unscientific statements that Muhammad has claimed that are not backed up by any rational mans science. Katatonic bliss you said: Whether or not Gabriel existed or not is not a point of relevance, because the Qur'an is still here. Starjade says: What kind of Blabberwocky is this that you are coming out with when Muhammad claimed this angel Gabriel appeared to him in a Cave and gave him a squeeze three times until he quoted out the verses of the Koran you speak about. What cuckoos nest have you flown over. This angel Gabriel does not exist and that was the point of my naming Gabriel in Muhammad�s error that are voiced in the whole words of that fabricated Koran. Proven fabricated I add by the Sura 4:82 of the very words of the Koran also. The Koran admits it errors show it did not come from God and so Muhammads word is not trustworthy. Again I quote my favorite law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. A law that determines matters of the truth especially with regards to crimes of iniquity and sin. You need two or three witnesses to prove a thing is true or false and Muhammad just has no witnesses it is all just his own word. The second errors I named speaks for itself. Katatonic bliss you said: What's even more intriguing is that you try to use the Bible's corruption to prove your point. Starjade says: Actually I use Deuteronomy law to prove my points And Old Testament text is the source of all that data and Muhammad had no problems quoting Old testament text and Prophecies to make his silly claims and Muhammad also claims Isaiah had written about him which was one of the reasons why he pretended that he was not educated and could not read. Katatonic bliss you said: Muhammad never read the Bible. He couldn't read. You have no firm proof that Gabriel does not exist, because all evidence goes to the contrary of your argument. Starjade says: If Muhammad had never read or heard from any Christian New Testament or Old testament then explain how he knew of the Prophecy in the Old Testament Ch 18 v 15/18 and other Prophecies by Moses and Isaiah and 11 chapters of the Koran make self written quotes about Jesus. Also it is a matter of Islamic history that after Muhammad claimed he had that encounter in the Cave he went to his wifes cousin Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. So then preachers of Christianity had clearly spoken with Waraqa who was a cousin of Muhammads wife and so do not try and pretend no Bibles existed in those regions. You give poor excuses that just do not wash with known Islamic history. And clearly as I have written text on this angel Gabriel my research is exacting. Gabriel is mentioned only twice in the Old Testament and twice in the New Testament. Gabriel originated in a dream Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and he described a man. Only Luke Claims Gabriel is an angel and he was not a witness to any appearance of any angel Gabriel or to the birth of Jesus. Deuteronomy Law Ch 19 v 15 established the Testimonies of Luke are false. Katatonic bliss you said: 3. finally, a half baked attempt. Jesus is not the prophet of Deuteronomy. That is the Muslim stance. Strarjade says: Too bad for you Jesus already claimed 1000 years before Muhammad was born that he was that specific Deuteronomy Prophet and that was why they called him the King of the Jews. Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words.
Muhammad believed Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus had proclaimed himself as being and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that specific Prophet Jesus had proclaimed himself as being and all Christians believe Jesus is that Deuteronomy Prophet whiles Muhammad and Muslims who did not realize the claims of Jesus made further error in the Koran by then claiming Muhammad is that Deuteronomy Prophet and all those claims are easily established as being false as you have seen me prove often and with ease. The Sura 4:82 already established Muhammad is not a Prophet from God that he has claimed himself to being and all Muhammad�s claims are not proven it is just accepted by idolizers of Muhammad. So Muslims are very much misled and in error. Furthermore the laws of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v15 which are laws brought down from the living God by Moses himself states very clearly in crimes of iniquity and sin you need two or three witnesses to prove a thing is true and Muhammad has no witnesses. How can he claim he is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up when the laws of Moses says he is a fraud guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin. Katatonic bliss you said: The Qur'an makes no acknowledgement of the specific prophecy, so there is no error. This 'argument' is based on the debates that Christians and Muslims have over the Prophet of Deuteronomy. No Error. Starjade says; Muhammad and Jesus have both claimed themselves to being that Deuteornomy Prophet and that is the claim of the Koran when speaking of Muhammad. The Koran is ignoring Gods laws in the promotion of their Koran because Muhammad was making blasphemous claims with his own Testimony that Deuteronomy law says is not true. Moses brought down the laws of Deuteronomy from the living God and they are Gods word. You are ignoring such errors but you are not the Judge but the religious congregations world wide sure as hell will be Judging.
Katatonic bliss you said: 4. Read more, moron. in the four synoptic Gospels, God literally speaks and says, This is my son [Servant]. There are your two witnesses that you want.
Starjade says: Ah there goes those personal insults again hahaha you do not change your sorts never do. Actually if you had not been so religiously ignorant you would see that God is not saying any such thing. The writers of the New Testament thought their Characters are saying those things and they are not God nor do they have any right to speak in Gods name. I am something of a religious expert on more than three major religions so do not delude yourself that I do not know what this or that text is saying. Just because a writers says this is gods word that does not make it Gods word it makes it the word of the self opinionated writer of that text who is making such blasphemous claims. So get your facts right. And where are those witnesses.? Jesus has no witnesses.
There are no Testimonies from any witnesses to the birth of Jesus and there are no witness Testimony from anyone who saw Jesus fly off to heaven or be tempted by the devil or the appearance of the angel Gabriel. Jesus has no witnesses. You are delusional.
The Character Jesus in the new Testament had said in John Chapter 5 Verse 31: If I alone bear witness to myself, my witness is not true. Also in John Chapter 8 Verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews: Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true. Verse 18: he continues to say: I am the one who bears witness about myself and the father who sent me bears witness about me.
The disciples of Jesus who gave hearsay Testimony that stood against the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 had already claimed using the Angel Gabriel that Jesus was the Son of the living God and Jesus was naming God as being his other witness. However as God could not be produced to give any Testimony for Jesus, then it was only his own Testimony and his own Testimony is not acceptable by religious law and cannot be established as being true. Now try speaking of facts next time not what some writer says to promote some claim he is making. It is laughable for you to say God wrote those words. What world do you live on.?
Katatonic bliss you said: 5. Muhammad recited God's Word.
Starjade says: Who says: You or Muhammad well then explain how it is you do not know God and Muhammad is established By Deuteronomy Law which is the word of the Living God to be a fraud. The Sura 4:82 of the Koran states if error or discrepancies exist in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. I have listed over 500 errors that exist in the Koran and no Muslim yet has been able to dispute them. The fact that so many errors exist in the Koran is the proof that the Koran did not come from the Living God and Muhammad is proven also by that fact to be a liar and a fraud and presumptuous to think that he could speak in Gods name.
Katatonic bliss you said: His belief in Jesus was a side effect of getting revelation from God right from his own mouth.
Starjade says: produce some witness Testimonies who saw God put those words in Muhammad mouth when even the Koran admits that it is a fraud. Muhammad is the one making such claims without any proof or witnesses and his idolizers make those claims but claims are not proof of anything. Muhammad believed in Jesus because of the Christianity he was taught by Waraqa and other Christians. They just did not explain that Jesus claimed he was that Deuteronomy Prophet. This is also why the Korans text differs from the Old and New Testament as he was not able to recall those stories very well.
Katatonic bliss you said: This 'error' is grounded firmly in your belief that Jesus was a false prophet. Your stance is unsuprisingly Jewish.
Starjade says: Both Jesus and Muhammad are established as being frauds outright by the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 which is the actual word of God as Moses brought those laws down from the living God. These are religious facts nobody on this planet can dispute even when they yackle of their personal opinions. Those opinions do not stand in truth against Deuteronomy Law. I am not a Jew but this Deuteronomy Prophecy left by the living God is. We are speaking of the Jews religion here not of Christianity or Islam. These matters are all pertaining to the descendants of Abraham. So we are discussing Jewish matters.
By the way in a religious discussion it is most petty of you to try and use the old hatred of Jews by Muslims and Christian cards in the hope this would get those with such hatred on your side. I have no Time for bigots. I am speaking or religious text and factual laws and claims by false Prophets which are under this scrutiny. Try then using some facts back to dispute what has been said. Either what has been said is true or what has been said is false there is no middle ground. What is true is true what is false is false and only Starjade is voicing the truth with facts and under Islamic law and Deuteronomy law and proving my words are true. You are not. You are just voicing an opinion and a belief.
Katatonic bliss you said: It was prophecized that the Jews would reject Jesus as the Messiah and a prophet. You're only fulfilling that prophecy.
Starjade says: So then who made that Prophecy then. Deuteronomy laws and historical facts prove Jesus is a fraud and I was not voicing an opinion I was quoting the word of God through Deuteronomy law. Next Time produce chapter and verse of the claims you make so we can all see who makes that claim. Deuteronomy law already established Jesus is a fraud and Jews are supposed to be bound by Deuteronomy law. So clearly it is clear they would know Jesus is a fraud. But this matter of Jesus is just a tale in a book written by a writer who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The Jews were waiting for that Deuteronomy prophet to gather them up from the four corners of the globe and yet during the Times Jesus and Muhammad lived those Jews were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That only happened in the 19th century.
Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Katatonic bliss you said: Just because Jesus claimed to be a prophet doesn't mean he's referring to the Deuteronomy prophecy. If Jesus is not the Deuteronomy Prophet, then there is no illogic in assuming Muhammad is the prophet. Starjade says: . Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words. So then why don�t you explain to us all exactly what it is Jesus is speaking about and what you delude yourself it was that Moses said in his writings about Jesus. You said you had visited the End of Times website. Well amongst my conversations with the Muslims is a statement written by the Christian preacher Iris who wrote an informative thread all about the claims of Jesus. How silly and religiously ignorant of you to not realize why it is they call Jesus the King of the Jews. The Sura 4:82 of the Koran admits the Koran does not come from God if any errors or discrepancies are found in the Koran. After all God does not make mistakes. You have seen me stagger Muslims with lists of errors in the Koran going into the hundreds. So then as the Koran is proven to not come from God them Muhammads claims that it does are not true. Katatonic bliss you said: 6. Jesus had at least 12 freakin' witnesses following him around for half his life! Muhammad regularly had witnesses when he had revelations. No error. Furthermore, Jewish Law is dead. It was modified when God sent Jesus, and rewritten when God sent down the Qur'an.
Starjade says: The so called 12 disciples are characters written in a book and they did not give witness Testimonies and the statements of Mathew Luke Mark and John are not witness Testimonies. Mathew and Luke began the tale and they were not present during the birth of Jesus they speak about so those are not true witness Testimonies. You may belief any tale writ by a writer in a book but that is the writers word and his characters of his story that does not make them real. Does Sherlock Holmes exist because a book says so. Did those things happen because the writer says so. Of course not fiction is not fact. Explain which Muslims saw This angel Gabriel in the Cave or on the Mountain or any place so we can all ready their descriptions of what they saw. Show the Testimonies of those who say they saw Muhammad fly off to heaven and speak with God. Muhammad has no witnesses they are all his own claims.
A man in a lunatic asylum said he was Jesus and another madman asked how did he know he was Jesus and the Lunatic replied cos God said so. A voice from another room said no I did not.
Katatonic bliss you said: 7. See, now you're just being a moron.
Starjade says: Oh there goes that hurling of the abuse thing eh. I present facts you just voice opinions and you think I must be wrong because of things you have been led to believe well aren�t you the clever one in your own mind eh.? I have not seen any facts come off you yet. I have however backed my mouth up with facts. So they stand against your opinions eh. Well that�s tough. You are not the first I have met who drowned in denial.
Katatonic bliss you said: If Gabriel was a Christian fabrication, how could Muhammad, uneducated and illiterate, know about Gabriel? He never read the Bible or the Torah.
Starjade says: I laugh when I hear self opinionated people convinced of something and then say the word (If). See you do not know of this angel Gabriel or its origin or reason for its invention. Again I point Out Christianity was well spread and Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. So then preachers of Christianity had clearly spoken with Waraqa who was a cousin of Muhammads wife and so do not try and pretend no Bibles existed in those regions. It was Waraqa who told Muhammad after his madness in the cave that it was the angel Gabriel. Do you not know anything of Islamic history or of Muhammad. Were you around in those days. Right then stop listening to what others say for they were not also. As a Trader Muhammad met lots of travelers and many of them were Christians.
Katatonic bliss you said: You must also realize that when the texts of the Bible were written, most people were JEWS.
Starjade says: Actually in the middle east they worshipped the pagan god Baal and Hubal al�ilah and other pagan false Gods. Then there were the Christians who went off on a mission to spread their words and no real Jew to this day accepts Jesus or Muhammad as being the Prophet that they had been waiting for and Deuteronomy law does prove the Jews are right. The Jews have always been a blasphemous people always committing crimes of iniquity and sin. Look how they treated the living God when the living God brought them out of the bonds of slavery in Egypt and then those same Jews built themselves a Golden Calf. They turn their backs on the living God very quickly which is why the living Gods anger blazed at them.
The Jews had waited for a long Time for that Deuteronomy Prophet to appear and so in a conspiracy with the Roman they invented a new kind of Golden Calf and it was called Jesus who they promoted as being that Deuteronomy Prophet. The Romans got religious taxes of those people and control of the Congregations and so it all expanded from there. That does not make such claims authentic from Christians or Muslims or Jews. Deuteronomy law Judges such matters and they are all found guilty of iniquity and sin. So the text of the Old Testament was the Jews but the text of the New Testament is Roman Christian. They are not the same religion at all. The New Testament was simply added on to give the appearance of authenticity.
Katatonic bliss you said: if you don't want to believe Muhammad on Gabriel, then don't.
Starjade says; I do not have religious beliefs. Either something is true or it is not. Muhammad has no witnesses to his claims. The Koran itself under the admittance of the Sura 4:82 states if errors or discrepancies exist in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God so then where is the validity of the word of Muhammad when the Koran he claims came from an angel called Gabriel states the Koran does not come from God contradicting the claims of Muhammad and showing Muhammad is presumptuous to think that he could speak in Gods name when he cannot. Even the laws of Deuteronomy brought down by Moses from the living God and is Gods word states Muhammad is guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin. He has no witnesses to his claims it is all his own word.
Gabriel originated in a dream that Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and he described a man not any angel. Luke is the one claiming Gabriel is an angel so he could promote Jesus as being that long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet. Deuteronomy law establishes that the Testimony of Luke is not true for he was not a witness to the birth of Jesus or of Gabriel. And those claims from the New Testament were writ some 500 years after the supposed death of its characters who were written into that tale by Romans who used the help of some blasphemous Jews.
I do not deal with beliefs or opinions. A mans views do not stand against Deuteronomy law just because he believed something said to him. Deuteronomy law makes those matters clear and I deal with those facts not suppositions beliefs of opinions and that is a reason why I am so formidable.
Katatonic bliss you said: I've already discussed Gabriel's existence in my first point. So, technically, you're just repeating yourself again, as all this is is another challenge to Gabriel's existence.
Starjade says: You brought Gabriel back into the conversations. Clearly because people like you do not listen or grasp the point or the history of Gabriel the matter does need repeating.
Katatonic bliss you said: 8. Moses wrote about Muhammad in Deuteronomy. Isaiah wrote about Muhammad in Isaiah 42.
Starjade says: I can hear you say that now make me belly laugh as you try and prove that and be wary now I have had heard all the Islamic brags about Muhammad and the claimed proofs and they also exist on the End of Times web site refuted by me and islam is found wanting. Those claims are not established all they are is claims but when looked at those claims are found to be untrue. The Koran itself shows it does not come from God and now you brag that brag from the Old Testament when at first you said it was not valid or known yet without the Old Testament statements Muhammad and the whole of Islam could make no brags at all.
I was taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts and they spoke of all the claims of Muhammad and you already know I speak with Muslims and Christians all over Cyberspace so be sure they all came out with those brags and claims and I dissect data like that as you well know and those brags and claims are unfounded and you will be in no position to come out with anything new. Whiles you brag Moses wrote about Muhammad a claim Jesus said as well. Why not back your mouth up and prove it knowing full well I have heard it all before and proved Moses never mentioned Jesus or Muhammad and Deuteronomy law brought down by Moses states Muhammad and Jesus are guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin with their claims.
Isaiah walked around naked for 3 years looking for signs from God and he believed in Unicorns.
But of course you would believe such a man for others claimed he was a Prophet. Well I am a genuine Prophet as established by Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and I am not impressed.
Katatonic bliss you said: 9. There is more than one prophecy in the Torah, and WAY more than one prophecy made by Isaiah. Now, this may just be me, but maybe there were different prophecies to Jesus than there were to Muhammad? Yes, I think that is the only logical conclusion without making yourself look like a complete hack.
Starjade says: Whiles I note your opinions you are not presenting any facts. All you do is voice what you believe but show no proof to back your beliefs up. The evidence against your beliefs is damning and sends all Christians and Muslims into that dark place. Deuteronomy Law Ch 19 v 15 is a law of the living God brought down by Moses and it is Gods word. So you say you do not believe in Moses or the laws of the Living God or Gods word for you have faith in your unsubstantiated opinions.
Katatonic bliss you said: 10. Again with another claim of whether Gabriel exists or not. This is the crux of every Gabriel argument with you. Refer to the first point.
Starjade says: The claim of the Koran is that the words of the Koran came from this fabricated angel Gabriel. I suggest you go back to the End of Times web site and read the thread the origin of the Angel Gabriel. And be sure I do know what I am talking about and I scoff for I used Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 to establish that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and yet Jesus and Muhammad are proven to be frauds by that very law and they just say Oh well man Angel called Gabriel said so hahahahaha
Katatonic bliss you said: 11. I already gave you the prophecies from both Moses and Isaiah. no error.
Starjade says: Oh there are errors alright. You have said there are Prophecies but not said what exactly and I am someone who demands preciseness. I am not a novice and I do speak with many Islamic experts and so I already know all the claims and brags. But you have not mentioned them. You say Moses spoke of Muhammad and yet do not say Chapter and verse about what is said. So what are you afraid of. You say the same of Isaiah yet do not give Chapter and verse of what. Why are you afraid to back up your claims. Moses and Isaiah never mentioned Muhammad. They were speaking only of the Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up and that sure as Hell was not Muhammad. So back up your claims and know I already know all the brags and claims of Islam for Islamic experts taught me all I needed to know and they being religious experts all gave me chapter and verses and those matters were disputed long Time past. The claim you make and they make is proven to be unfounded.
Katatonic bliss you said: 12. Idiot. Muhammad is the last prophet.
Starjade says: Explain how Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and the Sura 4:82 states that Muhammad is a fraud. Why not list out Muhammads Prophecies especially of the End of Times for the Deuteronomy Prophet was expected to arrive just before those End of Times and that Deuteronomy Porphet would have details of that event. Of course we all know that Muhammad just said it would grow very dark but I am sure you can invent something as you made the brags. Deuteronomy Law Ch 19 v 15 is a law that determines matters of the truth regarding crimes of iniquity and sin. Anyone claiming to be Gods Prophet would be arrested on the crime of Blasphemy and diligent inquisition would be made to determine the truth.
Two or three witnesses would appear for or against the accused and I have already named more than four witnesses who can establish by Deuteronomy law to be a genuine Prophet with a probable connection to the living God. Muhammad dies a long Time ago and I stand as a established Prophet with a provable by Deuteronomy law connection to the living God and my very existence also proves that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and whiles you voice his opinions and claims remind yourself that Muhammad cannot establish by Deuteronomy law that he is a Prophet from God and the words of Idolaters do not make any mans claims true only the living Gods Deuteronomy law establishes such things and those are the laws I presented to the Jews way back in 1995 when I gave them details of the apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of Jews specifically from the four corners of the globe. Clearly you and the words of Muhammad are proven to be mistaken by the living Gods Deuteronomy laws.
Katatonic bliss you said: The key word in Jesus' SECOND coming is that he will come AGAIN. Jesus is already recognized as a prophet and came before Muhammad. There will be no more uniquely different prophets for humanity, therefore, Muhammad was the last. No error.
Starjade says: Are you really this nieve. On one breath you say Jesus is a Prophet who clearly has not arrived and so will since Muhammad is dead by the Christians belief come along after Muhammad then you say Muhammad is the last Prophet when Deuteronomy law already establishes that I am a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the living God which is a claim Jesus and Muhammad are in no position to make. Make you mind up. Oh and you invented the no uniquely prophets as an excuse.
Deuteronomy law does not recognize Jesus or Muhammad as Prophets. The Roman/Christians simply wrote the tale of Jesus and it is all fiction. Clearly Jesus could not and did not gather up the jews and the Roman/Christian tale killed the character Jesus off by a Roman capital punishment of Crucifixion. So when the Jews pointed out Jesus did not satisfy that Prophecy they claimed Jesus would come back. This is a Christian belief and not a fact. And Jesus was made famous because as it was claimed Jesus is the Deuteronomy Prophet Ch 18 v15/18 as most Muslims now do know.
Katatonic bliss you said: 13. see, now this claim, I think you're trying to justify your own claim as a prophet of God. Unlike other prophets, you contradict not only their words, but your own. I've read on your site that reading or quoting from the NT is blasphemous, but you seem to do it without a care in the world.. Nice going, hypocrite. Muhammad is the last prophet. By your own laws, you should be stoned to death.
Starjade scoffs: The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 already establishes my claims and I was not asking for your shallow opinions. I do not contradict my own words I establish them by religious laws. When I am discussing the New Testament and the Koran it is with regards to the claims of Muhammad and jesus who make false claims to being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Christianity and Islam is not my religion and the claims made by both religions and its followers are blasphemous as can easily be proven by the laws of the living God and the blasphemous text of those two religions.
If I was guilty of Blasphemy I would be stoned to death. The part you are too stupid to realize is that The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes that I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity and sin and yet the claims of Jesus and Muhammad and their followers are false and established as being blasphemous by Deuteronomy law. So stop babbling your personal beliefs and get some facts to back you mouth up. Which clearly you always have found impossible. Once again your accusations and prattle are still proven to be untrue.
Katatonic bliss you said: 14. Again, you contradict yourself. You say that they had no witnesses, but then again you say that they had followers. see, you can't just say that they had no witnesses then denounce the witnesses that they had. this is like standing in a forest and saying that trees don't exist.
Starjade says: You are an idiot. Muhammad has no witnesses to his claim only that he made that claim. There was nobody in that cave or on the mountain and nobody saw this angel Gabriel or saw Muhammad flying off to heaven and so there are no witnesses and his so called followers started by follow Muhammad and his religion of Islam or die. There are no witnesses to the claims of Jesus and Mathew and Luke were not present during his birth and no Testimonies exist from people who saw this angel Gabriel or Jesus being tempted by the Devil. So stop repeating yourself with your babble that has no foundation you are boring me.
Katatonic bliss you said: 15. Considering that you have not found one error in the text of the Qur'an [all your 'errors' are general polemics and are pitted against your beliefs.
Starjade says: I suggest you re read all that I have written on this web site and the many others that I have visited for over 500 errors do exist in the Koran and I have made long lists of them. So you are just plain lying here and to yourself. I do not have any beliefs. I state facts and religious laws and those religious laws establish all my words are true and the Koran itself admits by those many errors that it does not come from God as Muhammad had claimed.
Katatonic bliss you said: It's like telling someone they're wrong for liking vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate], your claim is baseless.
Starjade says: What a Jackass you are. I quoted Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 and showed proven errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran and no Muslim has been able to dispute them. I wasn�t making a claim I was making a statement of fact.
Katatonic bliss you said: Muhammad was the last prophet. It was prophecized that there would be many false prophets until Jesus returned, and you ain't Jesus. Thank you for fulfilling another prophecy.
Starjade says: See you are truly stupid. Once again you say Muhammad is the last prophet to come from God then say the Prophet Jesus will come along after him. How illogical and you cannot see your own stupidity. And who prophesied there would be so many false Prophets eh. Was it the Christians and Muslims who both are proven by religious law to be false Prophet followers. Yes many claim they are that Prophet of Deuteronomy and both Jesus and Muhammad have proclaimed that they are that specific Prophet. Yet Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 states that they are not whiles that same law established that I am and nobody was asking you for your opinion on those things.
Katatonic bliss you said: 16. Isaiah 42, moron.
Starjade says: Talk like a Jackass and that ends the conversation. Why do you not quote Chapter and verse when attempting to voice your shallow opinion. Anyone reading these words sees you for what you are. Isaiah never mentioned Muhammad or Jesus so why mention him. Of course Isaiah walked around naked for three years looking for signs from God and believed in Unicorns and so the likes of you would believe such a man as if his words were true. You are easily misled. I intend making sure your sorts are crushed to death in earthquake rubble. Your sorts will not be saved along with all other false Prophet worshippers.
Katatonic bliss you said: 17. Seperate prophecys. We've been over this and you're repeating yourself again. Your claim to prophethood is like dust in the wind, scattered and blowing away.
Starjade says: See you have not explained yourself and so I do not know what you are babbling about.
Katatonic bliss you said: 18. Allah is not a pagan moon god. it is the Arabic translation of the Aramaic 'Allahi' which is the name that Jesus used, which is an Aramaic translation of 'Elohi' which is what Moses used. If you look at the facts, you'll see that there is no pagan moon god in Islam.
Starjade says: Hubal al�ilah is a pagan moon god that was worshipped throughout Mesopotamia and the middle east. Type in Hubal al�ilah into your search engone or click the links provided on these pages and learn something. Muhammad took away the name Hubal and shortened al�ilah to all. And it went on from there. This is a known fact and many Muslims are aware of these facts. Of course religiously ignorant sheep like you who do not study religions would be walking around in the dark. These matters are already researched and so I was not asking an opinion from a Jackass like you on what you think of such things. Be in denial but it will not alter the truth of the statement.
Katatonic bliss you said: 19. see above. Muhammad and Jesus are both prophets, you are not. Its their Words, God's Word and three books against yours, and your word contradicts itself and rambles on like a high school dropout trying to pick up a hooker.
Starjade says: The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God. and that same law establishes that Jesus and Muhammad are not Gods Prophets. Get a religious education. Your babble is typical of a waste of space like you. You cannot back up your mouth so you resort to verbal abuse oblivious to your own religious ignorance and stupidity. My word is backed up with the laws of Deuteronomy. Your word is spoken from the opinions and beliefs of others who make false claims that they cannot back up.
Katatonic bliss you said: 20. you seem to have either short term memory or you're just stupid. Quit repeating yourself. this entire list could be compiled into about 3 or 4 separate claims. see above.
Starjade says: Clearly you are repeating yourself and delude yourself that you are in a position to tell me what to do. If only you could grasp how insignificant you are too me. In fact I do not doubt I will have pointed that out to you in the past. Again you are not making any specific point you are not quoting any chapters or verses or religious laws all you are doing is ranting and I already grow bored with a waste of space like you.
Katatonic bliss you said: 21. again with the repeating questions!!! You have proven nothing except you like to revisit the same damn topics!!! See above!!!
Starjade says: Again I suggest you read those words I said earlier. It is you repeating yourself and not quoting any actual statements. Are you suggesting any readers read your tiny mind and assume the points you think you wanted to make.
Katatonic bliss you said: You are no prophet of God!
Starjade says: We all note how self opinionated you are but your words are shallow and it is not your place to Judge. The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and my own acts and deeds are what prove that I am an established Prophet with a provable connection to the living God. The laws that establish that are Deuteronomy laws brought down from the living God by Moses himself and are therefore the actual words of the living God. So the living God is in Judgment of me and establishes my word is true.
Katatonic bliss you said: You never once addressed any Qur'anic text, just general religious beliefs, and most of them dealt with the Bible. go back to Jr. High and learn how to write a successful argument. F-
Starjade says: I wonder if you ever actually bother yourself to read any text beyond a few words. I came to this forum to speak under Islamic law and I quoted that Islamic law and the Challenge of the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. I outright proved the Koran had errors in it from the beginnings and I quoted Koranic text and the relevant Sura�s and showed many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran as everyone here can see and did see. I do that on every forum I visit when having a discussion about the religion of Islam with Islamic scholars. These matters of those errors were shown to be indisputable and yet I offered Islamic scholars the opportunity to give their accounts for those errors and none have ever been in a position to dispute those errors that exist in the Koran. I showed that fact up front and in the beginnings.
So once
again you are seen to be lying and shall be judged accordingly.
Your pretentious blabber has been a waste of Time. You have not
proven any points of your shallow beliefs and you always were way out
of your depth. You brag you are an ex Satanist which means you
were once in opposition to Christianity and pretended the brag you worshipped
Satan and then you come here and think someone might listen to your
blabber and take you seriously. I would pity you but you are not
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this will be my last post for a while. Starjade, I read your 'rebuttal' and all I can say is that you are one arrogant, self-contradicting, self-worshipping moron. 1. You call me childish when I call you an idiot, and yet you turn right around and insult me with worse. Great way to prove your point. Prophets do not insult people. 2. you say no Muslim has been able to dispute your 'claims' but then again I just did dispute it. You need to learn what certain words of the english language mean. 3. You challenged me to quote a verse to prove my point, but then you have NEVER quoted from the Qur'an. If you want to prove your point, don't pull a double standard. that's enough of the MANY contradictions just in your above post alone. I'd like to focus on your site now.
1. Your site is apparently forbidden to be read by anyone who doesn't believe in your perversions of religion... otherwise, Death will come and shove his scythe up their ass. [your words, not mine]. That's not really very mature, now is it? Bad false prophet. BAD!!! 2. You also claim to have ESP and psychic abilities. Alright buddy, predict something that will happen in my life. And don't give me this vague 'something bad will happen' crap. I want details. 3. Your justification to your claim that you are the prophet of Deut. 18 is nothing less than idiotic. Who are you descended from? 4. your 'title' is very intriguing. Let me post it for all to see:
The End of Times Doomsday Prophet. The Lord King and King of Kings, Starjade. The Crown of the Living White Sphere of Kether
Now, first line... the End of Times Doomsday Prophet will be Jesus. Since you denounce Jesus, you aren't Jesus, therefore, you aren't the Doomsday prophet.
Second line: Lord King and King of Kings. OH! wait! I've heard those titles before. Christians gave those titles to God the Son [Jesus] when they decided to invent the Trinity. Because Jesus is Lord King, and he's also the King of Kings according to the Trinity. Both these titles assert that the bearer of the titles is God, because only God can be Lord King and King of Kings. Are you God? If not, you have just committed some SERIOUS blasphemy.
Third Line: from what I gather, the Living White Sphere of Kether is God in your eyes. So you have jumped from being God to the crown of God.... great job in looking like a moron.
You are not here to learn. You are here to insult and demean the quality of this forum and it's members. I hereby motion for the banning of
StarJade.
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