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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Rachel25 
Super Mureed Joined: 22 February 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 3098 |
So you not only have a connection to God, you are a time-traveller too? |
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Rachel25
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Okay, whatever about your Hubal stuff, I've heard it before, blah blah... My mother is a Christian and SHE would laugh at you. No, sorry, she'd pray and cry for you. But you get what I mean. I know Christian Jews, and they would laugh at you. Yeah, laugh. My uncle is an Athiest, and he would not only laugh at you, but he'd tell all his friends so they could laugh at you too. My sister is a Buddhist, she'd probably just roll her eyes at you. Do you understand? These things you say about yourself are nonsense!!! Personally I don't care what your religion is, but if you really do believe in a God, you need to ask forgiveness, and for guidance.
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sammy
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scruggnut
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You want me, don't you, starjade. I know, I'm irresistable. I can feel the love that you have for me emanating off of you like the smell of urine off of someone asking me for "a dolla so's I can get somefin ta drink". I feel honoured that you took so much time away from what must be your busy schedule of prophesying and such, just to scold me as if i were a muslim, which i'm not; which, i've already told you....which means that, once again....you are far too busy being "right" to know anything of "the truth". I'll put this is terms that maybe you can understand. *speaking slowly*...."Ummmmm, I am NOT (keyword there being not) a muslim. Nor am I Scottish, or a potato or the maker of shoes, hence; a shoemaker. I am none of those things. The only idol that i worship is the "porcelain idol" that i visit after having one too many shots of the truth from people like you. Oh, and when I drink too much. And when I lose my wristwatch. I will conclude by saying "TITMOUSE", in your general direction; and by adding that I believe you have a whole packet of toothpicks in your eye.
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| Aviatrix
Mureed Joined: 29 May 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: None Posts: 2837 |
Was anybody
going to answer the question? Apparently (that is, according to Starjade)
Egyptian history and the Bible (I checked) says Pharaoh's daughter (not
wife) took Moses and raised him, while the Quran says it was Pharaoh's
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sammy
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| Eternity Amir Joined: 22 December 2003 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: None Posts: 2737 |
Starjade, You said, �Yeah are you Muslims or what., hahaha and what donkeyhead said this forum allowed freedom of speach. I suppose for a Muslims this is as close as you will get to being free. But I am used to real freedom.� I�m not usually
fond of big words but is this your way of saying that you are interested
to debate ?. |
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Jermin savory
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Having love for someone, and obeying them as a leader is not idol worship or idolizing. Idolizing is praising and giving thanks to something or someone, more like how the christians are with Jesus (p).
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steady
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To return to the definition
of Idiolisation ... v : love unquestioningly and uncritically or to
excess; .....
link |
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loommmool
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starjade:
man do you know arabic Aviatrix:
Was anybody going to answer the question? Apparently (that is, according
to Starjade) Egyptian history and the Bible (I checked) says Pharaoh's
daughter (not wife) took Moses and raised him, while the Quran says
it was Pharaoh's wife. Actually, I checked the Quraan and the Verses that he gave.. the verses didn't say that Pharaoh's wife cached the baby from the river.. it says (Family of Pharaoh) chached the baby.. so it is not important in the quraan who chached the baby.. and also the next verse says that Pharaoh's wife standed against killing the baby, she said mybe he is going to benefit them or they can adopt him.. so pharaoh's wife stopped killing the baby.. and that was the most important part.. what is the problem here????? i don't know.. i know you are going to say the quraan mentioned that Pharaoh's wife wanted to adopt the baby.. and maybe she did.. but it is not important who did.. the most important in the Quraan that the baby growed in Pharaoh's family.. look ......... what if the doughter realy cached the baby, but she couldn't save the baby from the guardians of pharaoh and then the wife told the doughter that she had the power to save him. but, the doughter must give up the baby first.. it will make since also .. because the wife wanted the baby as well... OR she wanted to share the baby with the doughter as well.. for the doughter to be famous that days.. doesn't mean also she is the one who adopted the baby... don't play with possibelities... and i want to tell you something.... I KNOW 100% THAT THE QURAN IS RIGHT ... and EVERYBODY IS WRONG.. TO ME HISTORY IS A LIE.. PEOPLE's STATMENT IS A LIE AS WELL IF THEY STAYED AGAINST WHAT ALLAH SAID. GIVE ME A RELEAGION OR A WAY OF LIFE GIVES THE CREATER AS ISLAM GIVEs HIM (FROM HIS RIGHTS ON US AS CREATION)>> THEN I WELL CHANGE MY MIND. don't talk about history.. because history in islam shows a lot of things against your books.. go back to SALMAN AL FARISY story.. and jwish stories in arabia especially in AL MADINA which was called YATHRIB.. I
believe these history more.. and Quraan much much more.. |
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Eternity
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steady, The issue is not idolizing Mohammad(SLM). If someone called my mother a whore in front of me, I�d have a thing or two to say. My reaction in that case shouldn�t be considered idolizing my mother. We revere Mohammad(SLM) just like any other prophets. Drawing cartoons portraying him as a terrorist may be considered �exercising the secular intellect� but it�s considered insulting to Muslims. One of the absurd notions of these fanatical secularists is that they�d like to tell the Muslims how we should feel and react to their secular fanaticism.
Muslims have much to learn as well. Muslims first have to learn not
to fall into their trap which they did this time. Muslims have to realize
that to fanatical secularists, there is nothing called �Sacred� except
their own self. These people are not willing to accept the way Muslims
think about religious issues. They feel that it�s their right to tell
the Muslims how to think. |
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Starjade
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Starjade says: Hello again Jermin Savory. I can agree with you on those matters to a degree and I do not attack or personally insult anyone unless they do so to me first. Then I will inflict seven times more blows upon them as they would do unto me. I do admit however I prefers writing on Islamic forums where all hell is let loose and people can say what is on their minds. They are much more exiting forums. I do love getting involved in such flame wars and we all have so much fun. But other forums are for discussions of a serious nature. The point then is to expose the lies using sound logic and reason. That is the better way to expose lies said about this or that by proving it is a lie with no hope for the offender to dispute what was said. I am very good at that too. When I enter an Islamic forum it is clear some would be offended or angry and yet all I say is the truth and if it was not then someone would be able to prove that just as I can prove what they say is not true. It works both ways. The Islamic law invoked states we must accept what is proven to be true and reject what is proven to be false. The religious debate in between determines the outcome. What can be fairer than that.? It
is unjust if some moderator has a view that he is convinced of and yet
is wrong as he can then manipulate the board. If his beliefs are
wrong then deception comes into play. The matters should be reasoned
out and not erased on the whim of a belief. |
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Starjade
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Rachelikins do you not believe in Moses and consider him to be the greatest much loved Prophet of all. Moses brought down the Deuteronomy laws from the Living God. You do believe in the God of Moses don�t you? ? Do you Muslims believe in the Living God of Moses? Well according to the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 it can be established for a fact that I can be proven to be a genuine Prophet who does Prophesies real earthquakes and volcanoes erupting up to one year in the future. The Law of Deuteronomy came from the Living God as brought down by Moses himself and so it is the actual word of the living God. That differs from other Old Testament text as it came from God not man. It can be proven that in 1995 I approached the Jews with details of a future apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of all Jews from the four corners of the globe out of more Earthquake zones that I had seen at that future Time. My plans included Christians and Muslims, as I am the kind of person who likes to broaden my horizons. So it can be established by Deuteronomy Law that I am a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the living God who has approached the Jews with a plan and view to the Exodus of all Jews worldwide. Now as the Living God said all the Jews I began searching for the descendants of Abraham. The Arabs are descendants of Abraham and many years ago were forced to convert to Islam by yet another Golden calf and other idol worshipping. In my search for the descendants of Abraham I encountered many Islamic experts and I asked them to teach me all about the religion of Islam and they were happy to comply and staggered me with information. Like this or not Muhammad shortened the name of the pagan moon god Hubal al'ilah to allah and now all Muslims worship that moon god. In the eyes of the living God of Moses that is blasphemy and so I would have to convert all Arabs otherwise I would have to obey the Living Gods law and leave them all to be stoned to their deaths. My words may seem painful but I say them with good reasons. This is not some game I am playing and I have very serious and grave intent. You may not like the fact I can be established as being a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God but Deuteronomy law states that this is so and therefore the religious souls on this planet must deal with it. I named over 4 witnesses and they exist and are alive even to this day. Muhammad and Jesus cannot satisfy that Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 for neither have any witnesses at all and yet you believe the tales of them. If I had come to you without any proof with Muhammad�s tale of the appearance of an angel in a cave would you be so quick to laugh as others would. After all, this is already something you are ready to believe without any proof. And yet when Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 is invoked showing I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity or sin and is the actual word of the living God of Moses then you choose to laugh. What kind of religious education are you getting. And Rachelikins don�t be so pompous you are not my Judge neither is any Jew or Christian or Muslim or others. The law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is my Judge and that law has Judged me and established that my word can be proven to be true and that Judgment comes from the living God of Moses by the Living Gods word. No other Prophet can ever lay claim to that fact.
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UmmZakariah
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The Last Hour will not come before there come forth thirty Dajjals (imposters), each presenting himself as an apostle of Allah. (Abu Dawood) Starjade, looks like you are one of those. We accept the Qur'an as being the kalaam of Allah. Nothing u say is going to convince us otherwise. Quote of starjade from another site:
ever heard the saying...pride comes before a fall? My sincere suggestion to you is to learn about Islam properly. You are learning form the wrong sources and picking and choosing what u wish to use against us. It doesn't work like that. You have a few arguements under your belt, all easily refuted. Bring to this site those who have been convinced of your arguements and allow them to explain to us why they have followed a self proclaimed prophet such as yourself. UmZ
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??? did you studied the original Quraan (not the translation)?