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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Starjade says: Katatonic bliss is blissfully religiously ignorant
Iris. She was a one liner waste of space on other forums and only
passed by to pass on one liner quips and had nothing worthwhile to say.
All Muslims and their flunky followers get access to the End of Times
web site but the likes of Katatonic bliss are not religious leaders.
She only appeared to spuke abuse and this clearly was the forum she
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Starjade says: Sura 4:82: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it. Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9. King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 27:16) and the speech of ants (sura 27:18-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 105:3-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 27:17). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 27:20-27). Note: According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff). Starjade concludes. Over 100 errors that can be found in the Koran just extinguished your allahs light or do you muslims think you can actually give accounts for all those errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran whiles ignoring the Sura 4:82 statement of the Koran itself. hamayoun you said:
Starjade says: Actually it is you who is proven to be wrong and
Iris likes religious discussions but her religious superiority makes
her a teacher and you should learn but cannot. You even ignore
the Sura 4:82 words of the Koran itself. Still panic notteth after
all there is nothing for you to be concerned about is there until Starjade
goes to publication then all Muslims should be worried. Be sure
to buy my books wont you. :) Starjade
says: I doubt you have that power but be sure that I do.
It is just as well I find moon worshippers most entertaining.
I will still be sure to see you all get stoned to death though.
In fact look around at the Islamic world that is already being shredded
so the followers of islam are most cursed. |
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Aviatrix I said this: You have posted numerous articles that don't even come close to answering questions asked of you. Muhammad never bowed down before an idol, nor told anyone to do so. Trying to claim that Allah is a moon god is utter nonsense. Starjade says: Actually it is a matter of known history that Muhammad and his family all worshipped the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah. Shameful isn�t it. But then Muhammad heard of Jesus and the living God of Abraham and decided he was that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up little realizing that the character Jesus had already made that claim. Rather silly mistake that isn�t it. I liked the way you said (I said this) sometimes it can be hard to tell who was saying what. Type Hubal al�ilah into your search engine and you will see it is not a silly claim about Hubal al�ilah. It is very well known. Yet many Muslims claim they did not know. I believe some of them yet others (cough) well they even admit they knew tsk tsk tsk�.. Aviatrix I said this: I don't have a copy of that book handy, but I'm pretty sure that page 11 is before Muhammad's first revelation, and probably before he was born. You have no evidence that Muhammad worshipped idols--only that they were worshipped before him. Muslims already knew that. Starjade says; Why not type in Muhammad�s belief in the moon god Hubal al�ilah and see what you come up with. You will find Muhammds whole family worshipped the pagan moon god and even named themselves after the moon god. Aviatrix said: And you said this: You make bold claims, but without any backup what-so-ever commonly known as an opinionated rant, but I shall not answer you in kind as would Starjade. I shall answer you with detailed facts from renown historical writings, encyclopedias, and archaeology... Starjade says: Why not type in the archeology of the pagan moon god and realize iris was just enlightening you to something you did not know. Why condemn the messenger did you want to worship a moon god. Well nobody will stop you. Aviatrix I said this: Fact: You're not answering questions, just pasting long articles that I don't even think you a reading before you post--they don't answer the questions. Starjade says: They do give accurate data did you bother to read them.? Iris has always been a prolific writer staggering isn�t it. She writes even more than me. Aviatrix I said this: Fact: Muhammad never bowed to an idol. If you would read one of those books you're quoting so happily, you might know this. The one by Martin Lings is a good place to start. Never did Muhammad bow to an idol or tell Muslims to--that is a construct of your imagination. Try reading the whole book, and tell me where it says Muhammad worshipped a moon god. Starjade buts in and says: :) The internet is the information highway forget your books they are old stuff its all on the internet nowadays. I am just curious as you believe so much in the (cough) word of Muhammad does that mean you snorted up water to flush out the Devil that Muhammads says lives in the noses of all Muslims. Sheeesh I am happy I am not a muslim and have one of those imaginary devil thingies in my head. Or is it only the males who must snort out the Devil. Are women exempt. Muhammad did climb up the Mountain because he had gone mad you know he even admitted it. Aviatrix I said this: Here will be your answer: "Allah is the moon god." Despite in the Quran saying He is not (Hamayoun showed you that verse), despite being the Creator of the Universe (Hamayoun showed you that one too), despite the fact He condemns all forms of idol worship (an abomination, see 5:90)... you still deign to call him the moon god. Your proof is make-believe.
Starjade says: Actually iris has not made that information up
and just because you do not believe that does not mean it is untrue
it just means you cannot accept the revelations of that data.
Type in Hubal al�ilah into your search engine and you can learn much
about Muhammad and Hubal al�ilah. And I am someone who does not
need to invent stories for I already proved the Koran did not come from
God and Muhammad is certainly not a Prophet from the living God of Abraham
in fact Muslims are shy to speak of Muhammads prophecies. I asked
an Islamic expert what Muhammad said about the end of Times and he said
Muhammad said it would grow very dark hahahaha well there you go what
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hamayoun
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asked: Starjade says: What are you a Stalker. The Islamic experts who taught me all about islam exist on the Internet and they had cyberspace names just as many do and they would eat you all for breakfast. I know these things and I would vote them as being Caliphs any day. Does my religious knowledge stagger you. :) It should I am right clever. More religiously superior than your religious leaders more religiously superior than anyone who has ever lived and I really do show that don�t I. Would you like my autograph. Tough. Tell you what though you can buy my enlightening books after all you would want to see what I say about Islam don�t you.? The living God is my greatest teacher. He puts stuff along my paths knowing full well just what I am like and what I am going to do with that information. The Living God lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. As the living God moves about under his own power he does not have a postal address or a telephone. When you are telepathic telephones are a tad outdated. Besides I have been told sound waves do not travel in outer space. That blows out the claims of Muhammad saying Jinns are listening to the Koran being narrated doesn�t it.? Jinns & Shooting stars: Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9.
Starjade
says: Tsk Tsk Tsk what was that Muhammad said about hurling abuse
tsk tsk tsk does this mean you are converting. I can see
you shaving your head bald and dancing around lampposts clanking on
a tambourine singing hari Krishna. Don�t know who he is but who
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Aviatrix you said; Okay, for calling the Quran a "con" book, do you actually expect anyone to listen to you? Starjade says: Actually iris writes in a lot of forums and has her own web site as well and loads do listen to her. She gets about. And have you heard of the Sura 4:82 and seen over 100 errors that Starjade has mentioned. Right then you do the maths. __________________ |
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Katatonic Bliss you said:
Starjade says: Actually some parts of Biblical text is in Aramaic. I know cos I read it in the dead sea scrolls JM Allegro said so. Lots of other languages were used also on specific words. How can any of you say what Jesus spoke. There is no evidence that Jesus ever even existed. I think it was for occasions like this they invented the word assumption. Katatonic Bliss you said: Also, the only link you can find linking to the Moon God is that of the Crescent Moon that has become somewhat of an unpopular symbol of Islam. Truth be told, Islam has no symbol. The crescent moon is only symbolic as it depicts the start of ramadan, where there is a crescent moon instead of a full moon. Starjade says; Ramadam is a former pagan moon festival. Katatonic Bliss you said: Baal is a satanic name, and has no link whatsoever to Elohi, Allahi, or Allah. Starjade says: Well Baal had hidden names as those in worship of Baal would be attacked so that worshipping became hidden didn�t it. And you are the one making those name quotes. Why bother just type Hubal al�ilah and read up on the matter rather then just trying to deny it does not exist. Katatonic Bliss you said: To say that Allah is a pagan god is to say Allahi is a pagan god, which then means that Elohi is a pagan god, because all names refer to the same Entity, which is the One True God. Starjade says: Muhammad is not mentioned in the Old or new Testaments and he is only glorified in the Koran which is proven by Sura 4:82 to not come from God. Its hardly rocket science. The many errors in the Koran prove by the words of the Sura 4:82 that the Koran does not come from God therefore that fact proves Muhammad is a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in the name of the living God of Abraham and of Moses. But he can speak for the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah but of course he would have to hide that fact from the rest of the world. For obvious reasons.
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iris89 you said:
Starjade laughs: You should hear what they call me (tee hee) But they do it with gnashing of teeth. Of course we all know all along that they know I am right and they know you are right also. It is those who have not been religiously educated in Islam that are the ones in denial and are casting abuse. I advise you do not let them goad you. You do not really need to prove your word is true as it stand by itself for more educated people to read. iris89 you said: Thus it is clear as shown by your actions, the standard Muslim reaction to truths they do NOT want to hear is false accusations; I call that willfully living a lie. Your Friend in Christ Iris89 iris89 you said: Of course, as soon as you give me a list of which colleges and universities Muhammad attended. From what I have read, it is questionable with regard to whether he even knew how to write. So get a dose of reality. Starjade says: Oh don�t you believe it Iris. An Islamic expert who taught me all about Islam once told me of a tale of how Muhammad was a trader and so well trusted that others would bring their books for him to tally and they would leave their books and monies with Muhammad to tally up. So it is clear Muhammad could read and write. It is just a con said so it would appear that Muhammad had fulfilled what they believed was a prophecy made by Isaiah the naked unicorn lover. :)
Chapter 29 Verse 8: It shall be even be as when an hungry man
dreameth and, behold he eateth: but he awaketh, his soul is empty: or
as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he that
awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his Soul hath appitite: So shall
the multitude of all nations be, that fight against Mount Zion. This was why Muhammad claimed that he was not learned. It was a scam though. And all along Isaiah was not writing about any actual book but was speaking Metaphorically in his ramblings. Besides Muhammad was given no book. He did not write out the Koran. And we all know all about the (cough) fabricated angel Gabriel�s origins don�t we. Clearly when ole Waraqi told Muhammad of this Isaiah thing Muhammad went into thoughts on the matter and decided he would pretend he could not read and write so he could fulfill what he believed to be that Prophecy. I
oft say if Muhammad bragged the brag that he has satisfied the Prophecies
of the naked unicorn lover Isaiah then how come it was just not possible
for him to satisfy this well known prophecy of Isaiah�s. Isaiah Ch 11
v 11: And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set
his hand again the second time to recover the remnants of his people
which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros,
and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and
from the islands, of the Sea. As
the Jews were not scattered to the four corners of the globe when Muhammad
lived this prophecy was not possible for Muhammad to fulfill.
Iris you said; Also, any questions with respect to what college or university Starjade went to should NOT be put to me, but to Starjade himself as he is a none Christian and I am a genuine (true) Christian. Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Starjade says: I would only say. What are you a stalker.
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hamayoun you said: I have disproved your accusations from the Quran. Therefore I have dealt with your so called reality. And you're still a liar, and a very a bad one at that. Marry someone and become a quite houswife. Starjade says: Well actually far be it for me to be the prophet of doom but you have not disputed anything of the sort. In fact Iris has been giving you true data but you cannot accept it. No matter of course as the sura 4:82 trips your ego up. Try and answer to that then if you are so clever. hamayoun you said:
Starjade says: I am established by Deuteronomy law to be the specific
Prophet that Moses foretold was coming but I came from the living White
Sphere (which is the living God) which lives beyond the Veil of
the Abyss in deep space. So I did not come from the same place
as Moses. And Iris will tell you just as I will that I say Jesus
is a fraud also. Tsk Tsk Tsk so many pretenders to my Throne and
I cannot see a single thing special about any Jews so I cannot even
see what all the fuss is about. Why bother eh. Starjade
says: Now just wait. I mentioned Hubal al�ilah first.
I assumed you all knew already after all it is the God you muslims give
worship too and so I wasn�t going to make any big fuss over it after
all the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and the Sura 4:82 stuffs up the
claims of the Koran and established that it did not come from God so
what would it matter. And you Muslims certainly would not want
to speak of the god of the muslims Hubal al�ilah so someone else is
just bound to come along and speak up. You just cannot hide such
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Katatonic Bliss spuked: Actually, I have visited his site, and I stand firm when I say that he is one of the biggest morons I've ever met. Starjade says: You have never met me nor when speaking to me on the internet have you ever come out with anything worthwhile other than your usual one liner insulting quips. You just butt into conversations such as those I had with more knowledgeable muslims. I supposed you were lonely and just wanted someone to know you name. Whiles you voice your self opinions Muslims around you and on other forums are biting the dust. Some Christians too. You always were full of the green eyed God of envy. And here you brag like a fool of how you are an Ex-Satanist. Starjade
says: That just says it all doesn�t it. And quotes from
Forest Gump eh. So a retard taught you all you know. How
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Nura You
said: Starjade says: Well hello there Nura. Yes the Arabs descended from Ishmael and many fought against Islam and were slaughtered. During the Times of Abraham there was no Muslims and islam was unknown to be invented only by Muhammad. That took away the worshipping of the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah to worshipping that god as allah. There were no muslims prior to Muhammad. Nura You said: So the God of the monotheistic religions was already known by the arabs (by the way, there were christian arabs as well!!!!); their mistake was to adhore other gods beside Him, but Allah was already the "biggest" God (may Allah forgive me). Starjade says: Christianity came along I do not know how long after the Old Testament and about 1000 years later came Muhammads religion of Islam. I have never been one for following dates. Iris could tell you more accurately. But before then no Muslims existed at all and the name Allah does not exist as far as I know in the Old or New Testaments. I note
you mentioned the descendants of Abraham coming from Ishmael for that
was who I was searching out and why I studied the fabricated religion
of Islam to convert them all back to the Old religion. I am not
convinced however that they are worthy of my Time. All Jews are
blasphemous people why should the Ishmaelites be any different.
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Katatonic blisss you claimed: You are correct! Muhammad was uneducated! He couldn't read or write Think about it. How could Muhammad, an uneducated camel herder, speak such eloquent verses with scientific accuracy? Starjade says: Muhammad was a Trader and many visited him and his science is not accurate. Perhaps you will answer to his comments of Thunder and lightening so I can have a good belly laugh. Or how the sun sets in a pool of muddy water hahaha Try reading the whole of Isaiah Chapter 29 so you can see why they claim Muhammad was illiterate. Scientific accuracy hahahahahaha Perhaps for you. Nura you said: Hey friend in Christ, you didn't reply to the fact that arab Christians call God Allah as well! Starjade
says; Show where in the New testament the name allah exists.
The Christians did travel and Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, was
a Christian believer and the cousin of Muhammads wife who Muhammad spoke
with after he claimed he met the angel Gabriel in a Cave. It was
Waraqa who is first claimed to have told Muhammad that he was
that Prophet god promised Moses he would raise up. Clearly The
Arabs told the Christians that god is allah in their language.
Which means supreme god. But they did not say their supreme God
was Hubal al�ilah the pagan moon god for obvious reasons.
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loommmool you said; AL salam ala man tabi'a al Huda... I've read all what was mentioned to me before and before that.. these informations was available every where... u still don't know anything about arabic.. and arabians.. and Muhammad... and me... and islam. Starjade says: I know all I need to know about Arabic and Arabs and Muhammad the fabricated religion of Islam that is so very powerless against my God given revelations. loommmool you said; to who claims that he can teach me arabic.. Starjade says: I did not say I would teach you Arabic I just showed you that the Koran is not pure Arabic. loommmool you said; .. what Allah means Starjade says: It means Hubal al�ilah the pagan moon god who is the muslims supreme god of Islam. loommmool you said; and who Muhammed really was.. Starjade says: Muhammad was and is a fraud. loommmool you said; i don't have enough time to write and try to translate things into English.. soo. i will write in arabic.. Starjade says: Oh well then you got time to copy cut and paste and I have the time to just cut. So your time was wasted and I wasted none. loommmool you said; try to read and understand.. i know this site is an English site.. but i think they talk alot about arabic.. they must know arabic.... we will see. Starjade says: Who cares I have no interest in reading Arabic my eyes are already shot to pieces writing in front of a computer all day. Any Muslim who has met me knows I just erase any Arabic unless it is the word Kuffar or shirker the rest is of little interest to me. loommmool you said; if they don't, then no comments at all... what do u judge the one who talk about something he don't realy know? Starjade says: Be sure I am in Judgment of you and all Arabs and all jews. It wont bother me if you all get stoned to death. loommmool you said; i wish there is some one who can translate my post.. Starjade says: I do know people who speak and read and write Arabic it is just not that important to me. So it will be erased as I have said as will any language I do not read. So the time wasted was yours and not mine. If you want to communicate with me then you must learn English. After all I am not an Arab and have my Time taxed enough without any need or reason to learn such a language. loommmool moons are no more than d�cor i wonder from which idol the islamic decor came also.. please make it ur next research.. let me laugh on u more, please please please.. man u all pathatic.. Starjade says: Whats the matter loommmool are you so afraid to defend the Koran from my God given Revelations and dare you not after you see how religiously superior I am to you and your chicken legged imams and your Islamic leaders. iris89 you said: Hi Lommmool I do not understand your post. Your friend in Christ Iris89 Starjade says: Take no notice of him as he is a shirker iris. A Kuffar Muslim who knows he cannot defend the Koran. Especially from Starjades Revelations.
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And what about you Dr. Deen you said you search all over to continue our challenge and yet all I hear from you is the sound of Silence. I tell you what you already know. I do not like Shirkers shirking and I get annoyed when Muslims do not stand up like a man and defend their religion of Islam. It
is not your fault you are so powerless. Blame the truth.
But either islam and the Koran and Muhammad are right or they are presumtuos
to think they could speak in the name of the living God. Now come
on Dr. Deen. You know I really give you food for thought.
You know I enlighten you and show you things you just never even dreamed
of before. So why stay silent. Well OK we both know you
cannot defend islam as Islam bit the dust as you saw on other forums
and many Muslims tried then to defend their beliefs. But that
is no excuse. You said you would not SHIRK away and I gotta say
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Iris you said: Hi Starjade Have you reviewed my article "Islamic Injustice/Discrimination - The Shariah" if not please do so as I will be presenting it as a reading at an Televised session in Miami of equal rights for women. It is at: http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9525&TPN=6 Your Friend in Christ Iris89 Starjade says: iris I have not yet had the Time yet but I shall as soon as possible. My Time has been taxed replying to debates in sessions. I have no doubt your data will be accurate as you usually are very thorough. So you going on the telly eh. Lucky you. Break a leg as they say. Look Iris I am sure it will not be happening soon but that stretch of land you are going on is that land I saw subside into the Ocean. Its not very safe you know. Just thought I would say. I
do not see Muslims giving any equal rights to women in Islam hey look
what the suffragettes did so who knows what change could occur.
. But who knows maybe when islam is just dust there could be no
stopping them. You show as a shining example as to how knowledgeable
woman can be but women are known to be brutalized in the religion of
Islam. Not all of them. But well you know what that situation
is after all you are going on the telly to speak about it. Good
luck all the way. I shall read what you have written soon.
I just bet you went all hard core as need to be.
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