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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Starjade says: There is nothing alledged in the Sura 4:82 challenge apart from claims you are making. I have not seen any of you muslims respond any replies as yet not in this forum or any others have any Muslims giving a satisfactory account as for why those many errors exist in the Koran. Furthermore my collection of 21 errors in the Koran still remain undisputed. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml So you
are decieving the congregations with your waste of time propaganda.
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I noticed on of your so called "errors" was that there was no crucifixion in Egypt during the time of Moses(As). This is actually untrue, as several accounts of people being impaled on sticks, and trunks exist. Read this extensive report. There are many accounts, including Nubian prisoners of war, criminals who were impaled as recorded in the Abydos Decree of Sethos, deserters who were impaled as recorded in the Theban account and many accounts of the Libyan war, where the enemy combatants were regularly impaled.
The Qur'an actually sheds the fact of Egyptian impalement, without the
use of extensive study of Egyptology. Another miracle.
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| sheerheart1 Sophmore Member Joined: 10 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 45 |
ur a mushroom
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Starjade says: It is true the Koran claims the magicians of the Pharoah were threatened with death and of having their arm and leg cut off on either side and then being crucified. The Koran then continues to claim that in the end the magicians were put to death and chopped into pieces and their entrails spread about the market place. The fact is the cutting off of the arms and legs on opposite sides is an Islamic form of punishments not carried out by the Pharaohs nor was crucifixion. Further more the error mainly is that the magicians in the source story in the Old Testament were not threatened with death and the Pharaoh had confidence in them. So the Koranic account is very much wrong. The magicians were not put to death and were not threatened with death by the Pharaoh. The Egyptians did not need to crucify anyone. That is why the Koran is in error. The magicians were not threatened at all. It only claims that in the Koran and that Koranic account is wrong. That is the error.
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And who do you think wrote that report on crucifixion. None other than a Muslims trying to prove that error in the Koran did not exist whiles ignoring the fact that the magicians were not threatened at all. The Old Testament is a source of that Exodus data. You cannot justifiably come online and say well we do not believe in the Old Testament when the Koran and the claims of Muhammad is writ off the claims of Moses from that Old Testament and he was around during those times of that war with the Pharaoh and the Exodus. So he would know. Curiously there was no mention of Ishmaelite at that time was there. ?
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Starjade says: It is true the Koran claims the magicians of the Pharoah were threatened with death and of having their arm and leg cut off on either side and then being crucified. The Koran then continues to claim that in the end the magicians were put to death and chopped into pieces and their entrails spread about the market place. The fact is the cutting off of the arms and legs on opposite sides is an Islamic form of punishments not carried out by the Pharaohs nor was crucifixion. Further more the error mainly is that the magicians in the source story in the Old Testament were not threatened with death and the Pharaoh had confidence in them. So the Koranic account is very much wrong. The magicians were not put to death and were not threatened with death by the Pharaoh. The Egyptians did not need to crucify anyone. That is why the Koran is in error. The magicians were not threatened at all. It only claims that in the Koran and that Koranic account is wrong. That is the error. Read the link. Your issues are all covered in it. Don't be lazy and just blow it off with a blind rejection. Use your intellect.
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| sheerheart1 Sophmore Member Joined: 10 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 45 |
dear star fake
i know you find it hard ok accepting the truth but you just like your
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starfake you saidYou cannot justifiably come online and say well we do not believe in the Old Testament when the Koran and the claims of Muhammad is writ off the claims of Moses from that Old Testament and he was around during those times of that war with the Pharaoh and the Exodus. So he would know.
sheerheart says ,:well smarty the old tesament and the bible which we
beleive with are not such magazine you claiming that is the same books
the prophet muhammed pbh believe with and which tyhe quraan mentioned
and pointed at , the people of the book and books of god, will you will
save alot of times for urself if u go and rad more and try to understand
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Starjade says: be patient Lion King not only did I read your link
I took it home disected it and replied to it and your allegations. Here
is that reply so do not be so confident. Starjade says; And who do you think wrote that report on crucifixion. None other than a Muslims trying to prove that error in the Koran did not exist whiles ignoring the fact that the magicians were not threatened at all. The Old Testament is a source of that Exodus data. You cannot justifiably come online and say well we do not believe in the Old Testament when the Koran and the claims of Muhammad is writ off the claims of Moses from that Old Testament and he was around during those times of that war with the Pharaoh and the Exodus. So he would know. Curiously there was no mention of Ishmaelite at that time was there. ? Starjade says: My respect goes out to you Lion King for it is clear you have given those many errors that exist in the Koran some considerations. I have seen many Islamic scholars shirk away from those errors just retorting in abuse when they need serious considerations especially for Islam and the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. I remind you that for some Time Muslims came online and goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations and they said they would defend Islam and the Koran and the word of Muhammad. They goaded me for some Time until finally I accepted their challenges and that very day Islam bit the dust and in front of the eyes of those who challenged me who found they could not back their mouths up. A scholar came online and challenged me with the Sura 4:82 Challenging me to find just one error in the Koran. This challenge has existed unchallenged in the Koran muslims say for 1400 years. The Islamic scholar did not believe it was possible to find any errors in the Koran and yet again he found he was mistaken. Now Muslims have been busy shirking that challenge that they goaded me into accepting and it pleases me that you took Time out to defend islam and the Koran and the word of Muhammad. Those who do not are shirking and that does make my anger blaze. This matter of the threat of death of the magicians I have answered already at staggering length with many Muslims and it is established already as being an error in the Koran as well as for who adopted Moses. To show this is factual and true I have chosen to answer to this matter of the threat of the magicians to show my words are true. This matter of the threat on those magicians only exists in the Koran. And those magicians were not threatened with death or crucifixion with that added threat of cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides which is an Islamic form of punishment. Hence this is an error found in the Koran. Lion Kings quote was: 1. It has been claimed by the Christian missionaries that the Qur'an is in error when it mentions crucifixion as a form of punishment in Egypt. They say: We have, however, no record that Egyptians used crucifixion as punishment in the time of Moses (1450 BC, conservative date; 1200 BC at the latest) or even Joseph (1880 BC, conservative date). Crucifixion only becomes a punishment much later in history and then first in another culture before it has been taken over by the Egyptians. Such threats by a Pharaoh at these times are historically inaccurate. Starjade wonders. This page was writ in 1999 and I was having most wonderful arguments with muslims at these Times in 1999 over these issues. I wonder if this was the cause of that effect I had on them with that argument which they lost. The fact that is not mentioned however is that at no Time in the Old Testament were the magicians threatened with death or of crucifixion or of the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides. This form of death is an Islamic capital punishment and the writers of the Koran were Muslims. But according to the Koran those Magicians were then put to death and chopped into pieces and those pieces were then scattered about the market place. A good tale of woe but the fact is in the entire Exodus story of the Old Testament which is the only source of that data the magicians were never threatened with death by the Pharaoh and certainly no threats were made as claimed in the Koran. The claim of the threats of the magician was only existing in the Koran. I add the point that over 500 errors are found in the Koran and no muslim can dispute them all showing the Koran is not as authentic as is claimed. As Christianity and Islam all sprang up from the Old Testament then the Old Testament is the only accepted source of this data. So the Koran is in error. Lion Kings quote was: The Qur'an talks about crucifixion as a method of punishment in Egypt during the time of Joseph and Moses. In the story of Joseph, Joseph interprets the dream of his companion in the prison and says: O my two companions of the prison! As to one of you, he will pour out the wine for his lord to drink: and as for the other, he will be crucified, and the birds will eat from his head. Thus is the case judged concerning which you both did enquire. [12:41] Starjade says: yes the Koran claims those things but it is
alone. No records support that claim.
THE FULFILLMENT Gen 40:22 But he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had
interpreted to them. Gen 41:13 And it came to pass, as he interpreted
to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged.
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Starjade says: It only says in the Old Testament in Ch 40 v 17
And in the uppermost basket there was of all manner of bakements for
the Pharaoh� and the birds did eat them out of the basket upon my head.
Genesis 40:5 And they dreamed a dream both of them, each man his dream in one night, each man according to the interpretation of his dream, the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, which were bound in the prison. Genesis 40:6 And Joseph came in unto them in the morning, and looked upon them, and, behold, they were sad. Genesis 40:7 And he asked Pharaoh's officers that were with him in the ward of his lord's house, saying, Wherefore look ye so sadly to day? Genesis 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. Genesis 40:9 And the chief butler told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, In my dream, behold, a vine was before me; Genesis 40:10 And in the vine were three branches: and it was as though it budded, and her blossoms shot forth; and the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes: Genesis 40:11 And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand. Genesis 40:12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: Genesis 40:13 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler. Genesis 40:14 But think on me when it shall be well with thee, and shew kindness, I pray thee, unto me, and make mention of me unto Pharaoh, and bring me out of this house: Genesis 40:15 For indeed I was stolen away out of the land of the Hebrews: and here also have I done nothing that they should put me into the dungeon. Genesis 40:16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was good, he said unto Joseph, I also was in my dream, and, behold, I had three white baskets on my head: Genesis 40:17 And in the uppermost basket there was of all manner of bakemeats for Pharaoh; and the birds did eat them out of the basket upon my head. Genesis 40:18 And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: Genesis 40:19 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee. Genesis 40:20 And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. Genesis 40:21 And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand: Genesis 40:22 But he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had interpreted to them.
Lion Kings quote was: As for the mention of crucifixion in the time of Moses, when the Pharaoh's magicians believed in the message of Moses, the Pharaoh threatened them by saying:
Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross. [7:124] (Pharaoh) said: Ye put your faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he doubtless is your chief who taught you magic! But verily ye shall come to know. Verily I will cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and verily I will crucify you every one. [26:49] (Pharaoh) said: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this must be your leader, who has taught you magic! be sure I will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will have you crucified on trunks of palm-trees: so shall ye know for certain, which of us can give the more severe and the more lasting punishment!" [20:71]
Starjade says: yet these claims in the Koran show the errors of the Koran for at no Time in the original story of the Old Testament were those magicians killed or even threatened with death.
Lion Kings quote was: The Qur'an also supplies a very important piece of information concerning the Pharaoh. The Pharaoh is addressed as the Lord of the Stakes. Before them (were many who) rejected apostles,- the people of Noah, and `Ad, and Pharaoh, the Lord of Stakes... [38:12]
Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the `Ad (people),-Of the (city of) Iram, with lofty pillars, The like of which were not produced in (all) the land? And with the Thamud (people), who cut out (huge) rocks in the valley? And with Pharaoh, Lord of Stakes? (All) these transgressed beyond bounds in the lands, And heaped therein mischief (on mischief). [89:6-12]
Starjade says: If this is an imply that the Pharaoh was a common crucifier then that is disputed by history and the Old Testament. Islam is based mainly on Christian Testaments not Old Testaments. The Romans of course were happy to crucify but the Egyptians did not use that form of capital punishments. The claims of the Koran are not reliable as a source of data and was writ over a thousand years after these events are said to have taken place.
Lion Kings quote was: Using this principle, we can see that the Pharaoh, who is addressed as the Lord of Stakes, perhaps used stakes for crucifying people. Also why is the Pharaoh called the Lord of the Stakes in the Qur'an? Was it because he was the one who had the supreme authority over who meted out the punishment of crucifixion? Did the mutilation of a person precede his crucifixion? This is something that we would like to investigate in this essay.
Starjade says: I point the reader out to the word probably used showing the writer has no confidence in his data and is speculating. Pointing out as I have done these claims exist only in the Koran which is proven by the Sura 4:82 to not be authentic as a book sent from God but was indeed writ by a Muslim follower of Muhammad.
In my own research into Egyptian history I have not seen any reference to the Pharaoh being called the lord of the stakes. He was referred to as King of Pharaoh or Ramesese. Of course the muslim who wrote this essay wanted to convince that there is no error in the Koran and yet he uses words such as probably in his writings for he clearly is speculating and does not know.
Lion Kings quote was: WHAT IS CRUCIFIXION?
Starjade says: No matter what anyone claims we all know crucifixion as the nailing of someone to a cross which is meant as an upright pole with a cross member. So lets not nit pick. The Koran claims the threat of death by cutting off of the hands and feet on either side then crucifying the body. Of course the Koran changes its mind as what they would be crucified on yet it also describes a cross. Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross. [7:124]
Lion Kings quote was: Crucifixion is the act of nailing, binding or impaling a living victim or sometimes a dead person to a cross, stake or tree whether for executing the body or for exposing the corpse.
Starjade says; I do not accept the claim of binding the hands and feet as true crucifixion. I say the Christians are better for speaking on crucifixion than a Muslim. The fact is however the magicians in the Old Testament were not threatened with such a death and that threat only exists in the Koran. Also in the Koran finally this crucifixion threat did not take place but in fact they were chopped into pieces the Koran says and spread about the market place. An event not described in the original text of the Old Testament where those magicians were not threatened at all. After all it was not their fault for they went up against Moses and the Living God. So everyone was powerless. Even that Pharaoh.
How a person view the cross or crucifixion varied among cultures as each form their own opinions. But we are speaking of what is says in the Old Testament and the Koran not what some other may say for whatever reason. The fact remains the threat of cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides which is a form of Islamic punishment not Egyptian exist only in the Koran and not in the Old Testament where those magicians did not face death or crucifixion or dismemberments. That is the error in the Koran and remind yourselves that the Koran has more than just this error in its pages but over 500 errors exist and so the claims of the Koran are not absolute. Oh and whiles the writer cites many places where he gets his data I add those sources did not exist when the final text of the Koran was wrote. And let us also not forget there is more than one Koran in existence. Worded differently.
. Lion Kings quote was: HIEROGLYPH FOR CRUCIFYING OR IMPALING A PERSON UPON A STAKE. The first thing to establish is whether there exist any hieroglyph that mentions impaling people on stakes.
Starjade points out. Impaling people on stakes as shown in the hieroglyph is not crucifixion. And the hieroglyph also shows both feet and both hands. Again the cutting off of the hands and feet on opposite sides is an Islamic form of capital punishment and the hieroglyph shows a pole as impaled in the stomack via a spear. Not the same thing.
The hieroglyph depicting impalement on a stake is shown below.[20]
The other hieroglyphs do not depict impalement and the story in the Koran is of crucifixion on a cross after they had their hands and feet cut off. This is an Islamic form of punishment known by the writers of the Koran. I do not know if this next hieroglyph appears yet once again it is impalements into the stomach on a spear not a tree or cross. They are not the same thing.
Lion Kings quote was: TIMING IS EVERYTHING When did Joseph and Moses enter Egypt? As far as the missionaries are concerned, they had claimed the dating provided by them is "conservative". We have, however, no record that Egyptians used crucifixion as punishment in the time of Moses (1450 BC, conservative date; 1200 BC at the latest) or even Joseph (1880 BC, conservative date).
Starjade says; The fact is the magicians were not even threatened with death by the Pharaoh and that is why the error exists in the Koran.
Lion Kings quote was: What is interesting to note is that the earliest available evidence of the occurrence of crucifixion in Egypt is seen in the Papyrus Boulaq 18 from the time of Sobekhotep II / Chendjer of the 13th Dynasty in the Second Intermediate Period. Joseph, according to majority of scholars, entered Egypt during the rule of the Hyksos who formed the 15th and 16th Dynasties in the Second Intermediate Period. This means that crucifixion happened in Egypt even before Joseph entered Egypt.
Starjade says: No you are speaking of impalements as in speared through the stomach. That is an entirely different death altogether from nailing a man to a cross or even binding the man to a cross. And the matter of the magicians were never threatened with death is completely over looked.
Lion Kings quote was: Conclusions Contrary to the missionaries' own imaginative definition, crucifixion, as attested in a variety of sources, can be understood as the act of nailing, binding or impaling a living victim or sometimes a dead person to a cross, stake or tree, whether for executing the body or for exposing the corpse.
Starjade says: Actually the hieroglyphs show implement with spear through the stomach. Not in the nailing of binding of a person to a cross or a stake or a tree. By the way. Did you know The Jehovah witnesses say that Jesus died on a Tree not a cross and they later changed that to a stake? A stake is not a spear in the stomach that is the death shown which just impalement is by a spear.
Lion Kings quote was: Consequently, the cross was originally a single upright stake or post upon which the victim was either tied, nailed or impaled.
Starjade says; Well now the Koran says cross which is a post with a cross member. And (Pharaoh) said: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this must be your leader, who has taught you magic! be sure I will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will have you crucified on trunks of palm-trees: so shall ye know for certain, which of us can give the more severe and the more lasting punishment!" [20:71]
Starjade says: So all this other talk of stakes is not relevant and distracts from the matter in hand and does not explain away the fact that in the Old Testament the Magicians were not threatened with death or crucifixion. It only makes that claim in the Koran and even in the Koran it argues against itself undecided on whether a cross or a palm tree. This shows the Koran is the book that is in error. The Old Testament is the source of all this data not the Koran.
Lion Kings quote was: Without delving into the intricacies of ancient Egyptian criminal law, we can undoubtedly observe that one method of punishment was crucifying people by impalement.
Starjade says; This is just an excuse and claiming if a person is speared through the stomach then that impalement is a crucifixion. Even that description does not match with the Korans statement of what the threat was and so the Muslims is desperately trying to make up excuses. All along forgetting that in the Old Testament those magicians were never placed under that threat of death or mutilation or crucifixion. Clearly those missionaries who are spoke of are not as diligent as the Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Lion Kings quote was: The earliest extant evidence for this severe form of punishment is found during the reign of Sobekhotep II / Chendjer in the Second Intermediate period (c. 1674 � c. 1553 BCE), as indicated by the Papyrus Boulaq 18. Moving forward to the New Kingdom period (c. 1552 � c. 1069 BCE), we have numerous papyri, including the Abbot Papyrus and Papyrus BM10052, as well as numerous stele including the Stela of Amenophis IV, Abydos Decree of Sethos I at Nauri and Amada Stela of Merenptah, indicating the punishment of crucifixion by impalement.
Starjade says: There is no evidence of Crucifixion only of impalements by a spear thought the stomach which the Muslim writer now changes as a week excuse as if that spear in the stomach is a crucified when clearly it is not. So then no evidence is produced and the story goes way off topic to sway a reader away from the diligence of the truth.
Lion Kings quote was: These dates correspond well with the dates the majority of scholars attribute to Joseph and Moses entry into Egypt. Therefore, based on this historical appreciation of ancient Egyptian history, crucifixion, as evidenced in a variety of hieroglyph papyri manuscripts and stela, was practiced as impalement, and, this form of punishment was already well established by the time Joseph entered Egypt.
Starjade says: Well this muslim babbled about impalements and mistakes a spear in the stomach as being crucifixion which it is not. And the account of a spear in the stomach is not the account given in the Koran either. He must have come from Babylon for he sure has babbled on.
Lion Kings quote was: In sum, the story as narrated in the Qur'an correlates very well with the available evidence.
Starjade says: The story in the Koran is nothing like a spear being impaled into the stomach. Re read the Koran. And what is more those magicians were not even crucified in the Koran they were cut into pieces it claims and scattered about the market place which is a story that is not true. Furthermore in the Old Testament those magicians were not even threatened with death.
Lion Kings quote was: Equipped with an academically accepted chronology of ancient Egyptian history and an accurate historical understanding of what the words 'cross' and 'crucifixion' actually mean, once again, we find the missionaries making unsubstantiated claims.
Starjade says; The missionaries were not as diligent as Starjade for at no Time were those magicians ever threatened with death in the Old Testament which is the only origin of that story. The Koran has invented its own tale. Even the Korans story does not correspond with the data you presented here.
Lion Kings quote was: Their "facts" are based on unproven ancient Egyptian chronologies that have received scathing reviews from fellow academics not to mention their own theologians. Combined with a superficial understanding regarding the concepts of "cross" and "crucifixion", and how this form of punishment was expressed by different cultures and civilisations (both ancient and modern),
Starjade says: Well instead of listening to some stupid Christian missionaries why not try you luck against the Doomsday prophet Starjade for I have shown these claims hold no water. I suppose they thought by plastering large chunks of text that people would skip on by not caring. But Starjade is one of those annoying people who dissect text and I conclude a cheap excuse to attempt to cover up this error that exists in the Koran. Still the error exists and those magicians were not placed under any threat by the Pharaoh. The Old Testament no matter what the moan of Islam are is the origin of that story and writ by people who lived in those Times fresh out of Egypt.
Lion Kings quote was: the missionaries struggle to form any type of cogent argumentation and instead distort source material and make extensive use of soundbites.
Starjade says: Now come on now. That is exactly what the writer of all this yackle is clearly guilty of doing. He claims being pierced in the stomach is a crucifixion. In actual fact it is just a hieroglyph showing war and the death of enemies. Not crucifixion. Even the writers account stands against the statements of the Koran itself that says nailed to a cross or to a palm tree. That in no way resembles a spear in the stomach so lets keep it real.
Lion Kings quote was: In fact, the only thing in error here is the missionaries' "research methodology", which, in this particular instance, can properly be characterised as lightweight and schizophrenic.
Starjade says: Oh there goes the ole mad excuse again. How very Islamic. Too bad the Koran even stands against these claims and the fact is the Old testament is the source of this Exodus story and those magicians were not even under thread. What is more the plagues sent by Moses differ in the Koran than they do in the Old Testament. The writers of the Koran are trying to re write Holy scriptures with tales of their own.
Lion Kings quote was: ... I think the sense of nty hr htw 'those who are on the stakes' cannot be mistaken; the evidence for the Egyptians impaling their enemies is far too strong to be doubted.
Starjade concludes. The only proof shown is that of a spear going
into a stomach which goes against the Old Testament and the Korans stories.
So in the End still the error exists in the Koran. Those magicians
were not threatened and it only claims they are in the Koran.
But in the original story in the Old Testament those magicians were
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Oh in the Jungle the Islamic
Jungle the Lion King sleeps tonight ah weeeeeh oooooeeeah aaaa eeee
ahhh aaaa umbjoooa
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sheerheart1 you said: dear Lord King starjade i know you find it hard ok accepting the truth but you just like your own replies.
Starjade says: I love my own replies for they are a work of brilliance and they are always true which is why you Muslims find them impossible to deny.
sheerheart1 you said: we as muslims love all the prophets and we believe in everything we are told to believe in
Starjade says: Yes we all know you will believe everything you are told. Now it is Time tio believe in the Sura 4:82 of the Koran and Islamic law. Before you claim someone is a Prophet be sure you can back you mouth up with some proof.
sheerheart1 you said: but you have a hard conception and u dont like arabs either
Starjade says: I don�t like people full stop. I do not care what race or religion they are from they are still blasphemous shirking Kuffars.
sheerheart1 you said: and u wont visit a mosque your just to lazy for a confrontation because u know your gonna get taken down at jamia mosque because the brothers there are all we educated in shariah and also bible and all other forms of religion
Starjade says: I have no reason to go visiting Mosques the Internet is the information highway and I am never short of conversations. I am an expert of sorts on over three major religions and I am far more religiously knowledgeable and superior in religious knowledge than anyone on this Planet and unlike them I do have God given authority to speak. Why not go get your Islamic scholars and bring them online and lets see how clever they really are. But warn them I am not a novice and they will get eaten for breakfast as everyone knows.
Speaking of other religions did you hear of that woman sentenced to death for killing a cow. Imagine that. I suppose those Hindus do not eat stake then.
sheerheart1 you said: now go and see what they have to say dont spend your whole life on doomsday but because everyones life is just temporary
Starjade says: Too bad for you I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet so I shall be ignoring your shallow request. As you point out life is short and so I must say what needs to be said before I move on. You will all regret not hearkening then when those quakes make you all extinct.
sheerheart1 you said: and not for ever my advice to you is seek repentance from God
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Starjade says: I have seen such links before. They may appease the Muslim who just fleetingly reads on by but when looked at more carefully it is an excuse not an explanation and not good enough. I am sure you will try agian meanwhile there is still that error in the Koran for those magicians were not threatened by the Pharoah the account in the Koran is wrong so that error still exists even after all that text. Next.....
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sheerheart1 you said: Lord King of Kings starjade you said You cannot justifiably come online and say well we do not believe in the Old Testament when the Koran and the claims of Muhammad is writ off the claims of Moses from that Old Testament and he was around during those times of that war with the Pharaoh and the Exodus. So he would know.
Starjade says; That is right that Islamic shirk does not wash especially as the whole Koran and its claims are based on Old and New testament stories and claims.
sheerheart says ,:well smarty the old tesament and the bible which we beleive with are not such magazine you claiming that is the same books the prophet muhammed pbh believe with and which tyhe quraan mentioned and pointed at , the people of the book and books of god, will you will save alot of times for urself if u go and rad more and try to understand if u have any mind to understand any thing from the start
Starjade says: I think you should try and think before you write as what you write is illegible was there some point in that bit of yackle you came out with. There
is not book of God or from God. All books are written by men and
so far only the Old Testament contains the actual word of the living
God. Don�t you know anything.?
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as muslims love all the prophets and we believe in everything we are
told to believe in but you have a hard conception and u dont like arabs
either and u wont visit a mosque your just to lazy for a confrontation
because u know your gonna get taken down at jamia mosque because the
brothers there are all we educated in shariah and also bible and all
other forms of religion now go and see what they have to say dont spend
your whole life on doomsday but because everyones life is just temporary
and not for ever my advice to you is seek repentance from God AND STOP
BEING A MUSHROOM 