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06 March 2006 at 2:56pm
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Okay, for calling the Quran
a "con" book, do you actually expect anyone to listen to you?
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06 March 2006 at 2:57pm
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Second, As usual, Muslims
fail to provide any backup; whereas, I provide well buttressed backup
for all I say.
Then u'd better start dieting.
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06 March 2006 at 2:59pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi Katatonic Bliss
Your comment,
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wow.
Lengthy post. I can refute all
that in three words.
Here they are: Elohi, Allahi,
Allah.
Elohi is the word by which Moses
Called God in Hebrew.
Allahi is the word by which
Jesus called God in Aramaic.
Allah is the word by which Muhammad
called God in Arabic.
All of them have the same translation
into English: The One True God.
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WRONG, You are in error.
First, You have only made an opinionated rant without
any backup.
Second, As usual, Muslims fail to provide any backup;
whereas, I provide well buttressed backup for all
I say.
Third, you make the claim that Jesus (Yeshua) called
God (YHWH) Allahi in Aramaic, but none of the New
Testament was written in Aramaic. For many years
of course it was thought the Book of Matthew was
originally written in Aramaic, but recent findings
throw this out, so get real.
Fourth, Allah/Hubal al�iah/Baal is the word Muhammad
called god in Arabic, all being but personal names
as the word for god in Arabic is �Ilah�, and you
should know this.
Fifth, None of the names that Muhammad used for
god translate to God Almighty (YHWH) of Abraham
as the all refer to the old middle eastern Moon
god, "Allah/Hubal al�iah/Baal." So get
a dose of reality.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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I'm not an idiot. I know the bible wasn't written in Aramaic, but what
I do know is that Jesus PREACHED in Aramaic! The NT as we know
it has it's most reliable source in greek text, but Jesus didn't speak
Greek.
Do
some research, and you shall see.
Also, the only link you can find linking to the Moon God is that of
the Crescent Moon that has become somewhat of an unpopular symbol of
Islam.
Truth be told, Islam has no symbol. The crescent moon is only
symbolic as it depicts the start of ramadan, where there is a crescent
moon instead of a full moon.
Baal is a satanic name, and has no link whatsoever to Elohi, Allahi,
or Allah.
To
say that Allah is a pagan god is to say Allahi is a pagan god, which
then means that Elohi is a pagan god, because all names refer to the
same Entity, which is the One True God.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:00pm
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Hi
Hamayoun
In
your latest post you have again falsely accused me of being a �liar,�
but that does NOT surprise me as that is what members of Islam do when
they do NOT want to face and/or deal with reality. But as I previously
said,
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FIRST,
A question since you are a male Muslim (Sunni),
why do male Muslims love to accuse others of lying
falsely all the time? Do you NOT even know what
a lie is? Falsely accusing others of lying brings
you under John 8:44, "Ye are of your
father the devil, and the lusts of your father it
is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and standeth not in the truth, because there is
no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof."
(American Standard Version; ASV).
SECOND, Let�s deal with what a lie is since you
apparently do NOT comprehend,
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LIE,
The opposite of truth. Lying
generally involves saying something
false to a person who is entitled
to know the truth and doing
so with the intent to deceive
or to injure him or another
person. A lie need not always
be verbal. It can also be expressed
in action, that is, a person
may be living a lie. The Hebrew
verb that conveys the idea of
speaking that which is untrue
is ka�zav'. (Pr 14:5)
Another Hebrew verb sha�qar'
means "deal or act falsely,"
and the noun form is rendered
"lie; deception; falsehood."
(Le 19:11; Ps 44:17; Le 19:12;
Ps 33:17; Isa 57:4) Hebrew shaw�,
at times rendered "untruth;
falsehood," basically refers
to something worthless, vain,
valueless. (Ps 12:2; De 5:20;
Ps 60:11; 89:47; Zec 10:2) The
Hebrew verb ka�chash'
(deceive) evidently has the
basic meaning "prove disappointing."
(Le 19:11; Ho 9:2) The Greek
term pseu'dos and related
words have to do with lying
and falsehood.
The father, or originator, of
lying is Satan the Devil. (Joh
8:44) His lie conveyed by means
of a serpent to the first woman
Eve ultimately brought death
to her and to her husband Adam.
(Ge 3:1-5, 16-19) That first
lie was rooted in selfishness
and wrong desire. It was designed
to divert the love and obedience
of the first human pair to the
liar, who had presented himself
as an angel of light, a benefactor.
(Compare 2Co 11:14.) All other
malicious lies uttered since
that time have likewise been
a reflection of selfishness
and wrong desire. People have
told lies to escape deserved
punishment, to profit at the
expense of others, and to gain
or maintain certain advantages,
material rewards, or the praise
of men.[source � Bible dictionary,
Insight on the Bible, Volume
2]
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THIRD, With respect being upset about something,
the only thing I find upsetting is your arrogant
position in opposition to truth and reality which
is pure nonsense, so get a dose of reality.
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Thus it is clear as shown by your actions, the standard Muslim reaction
to truths they do NOT want to hear is false accusations; I call that
willfully living a lie.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:07pm
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Hi
Your arrogance is clearly shown by your latest comment,
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iris89
wrote:
Hi Katatonic Bliss
Your silly comment,
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lol wait... I just realized the thread starter...
Starjade!!!
I remember this guy!!! I laughed myself to tears
at his idiocy on a christian board!!!
How arrogant you are towards others. You probably
have never visited Starjade�s web site. You should
before you speak against him. I do NOT agree with
him, but Starjade is an excellent scholar of Islam.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Can you give us a listing of which colleges and
universites starjade attended? And who his teachers
were?
As for arrogance... you rmiddle name should be arrogance.
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Of
course, as soon as you give me a list of which colleges and universities
Muhammad attended. From what I have read, it is questionable with regard
to whether he even knew how to write. So get a dose of reality.
Also, any questions with respect to what college or university Starjade
went to should NOT be put to me, but to Starjade himself as he is a
none Christian and I am a genuine (true) Christian.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:08pm
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I have disproved your accusations
from the Quran. Therefore I have dealt with your so called reality.
And you're still a liar, and a very a bad one at that. Marry someone
and become a quite houswife.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:09pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi
Your arrogance is clearly shown by your latest comment,
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iris89 wrote:
Hi Katatonic Bliss
Your silly comment,
Quote:
lol wait... I just realized
the thread starter... Starjade!!!
I remember this guy!!! I laughed
myself to tears at his idiocy
on a christian board!!!
How arrogant you are towards
others. You probably have never
visited Starjade�s web site.
You should before you speak
against him. I do NOT agree
with him, but Starjade is an
excellent scholar of Islam.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Can you give us a listing of
which colleges and universites
starjade attended? And who his
teachers were?
As for arrogance... you rmiddle
name should be arrogance.
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Of course, as soon as you give me a list of which
colleges and universities Muhammad attended. From
what I have read, it is questionable with regard
to whether he even knew how to write. So get a dose
of reality.
Also, any questions with respect to what college
or university Starjade went to should NOT be put
to me, but to Starjade himself as he is a none Christian
and I am a genuine (true) Christian.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Same college as Moses and Jesus... the college of revelation.
Edited by hamayoun - 06 March 2006 at 3:09pm
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:10pm
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Hi
aviatrix
Your comment,
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Okay,
for calling the Quran a "con" book, do
you actually expect anyone to listen to you?
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Only if they have an �open mind� without �mental blinders� as most appear
to have as shown by the false accusations and your comment.
Your Friend in christ Iris89
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:11pm
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Hi
Iris,
do
you know that nowadays arab christians call God Allah? They
say bismillah, in the name of God, and Jesus in their mass is called
Allah's son.
Now, why would Christians have reject the God of Jesus and taken Baal,
the moon God, as their God?
Your friend in humanity,
Nura
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:15pm
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Fourth, Allah/Hubal al�iah/Baal
is the word Muhammad called god in Arabic, all being but personal names
as the word for god in Arabic is �Ilah�, and you should know this
Ilah is the arabic world for god, even the gods of the pagans. Allah
is the contraction of the form Al-ilah, The (one) God.
In
italian we have a similar thing. The world for god is dio.
God is Dio. The one God is Il Dio -->
Iddio. Exactly like Allah in arabic.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:16pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi aviatrix
Your comment,
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Okay, for calling the Quran
a "con" book, do you
actually expect anyone to listen
to you?
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Only if they have an �open mind� without �mental
blinders� as most appear to have as shown by the
false accusations and your comment.
Your Friend in christ Iris89
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Mental blinders seems to mean discarding the Quran and relying on iris
to tell us about Allah. Ok, I'd better see a shrink.
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Katatonic Bliss
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:17pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi Katatonic Bliss
Your silly comment,
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lol
wait... I just realized the
thread starter... Starjade!!!
I remember this guy!!! I laughed
myself to tears at his idiocy
on a christian board!!!
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How arrogant you are towards others. You probably
have never visited Starjade�s web site. You should
before you speak against him. I do NOT agree with
him, but Starjade is an excellent scholar of Islam.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Actually, I have visited his site, and I stand firm when I say that
he is one of the biggest morons I've ever met.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:19pm
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Iris, of course the name
Allah was already known to pre-islamic arabs. In your own Bible you
can read that Arabs descend from Ismail, Abraham's son. So the God of
the monotheistic religions was already known by the arabs (by the way,
there were christian arabs as well!!!!); their mistake was to adhore
other gods beside Him, but Allah was already the "biggest"
God (may Allah forgive me).
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Katatonic Bliss
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 3:20pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi
Your arrogance is clearly shown by your latest comment,
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Quote:
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iris89 wrote:
Hi Katatonic Bliss
Your silly comment,
Quote:
lol wait... I just realized
the thread starter... Starjade!!!
I remember this guy!!! I laughed
myself to tears at his idiocy
on a christian board!!!
How arrogant you are towards
others. You probably have never
visited Starjade�s web site.
You should before you speak
against him. I do NOT agree
with him, but Starjade is an
excellent scholar of Islam.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Can you give us a listing of
which colleges and universites
starjade attended? And who his
teachers were?
As for arrogance... you rmiddle
name should be arrogance.
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Of course, as soon as you give me a list of which
colleges and universities Muhammad attended. From
what I have read, it is questionable with regard
to whether he even knew how to write. So get a dose
of reality.
Also, any questions with respect to what college
or university Starjade went to should NOT be put
to me, but to Starjade himself as he is a none Christian
and I am a genuine (true) Christian.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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You are correct! Muhammad was uneducated! He couldn't read or write!
Think about it. How could Muhammad, an uneducated camel herder,
speak such eloquent verses with scientific accuracy
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