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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Dr. Deen you said: starjade...starjade...starjade...you'll never understand a post when you go digesting it the way you do...that silly habit you've repeated time and time again since i first met you on LU... Starjade says: Dr. Deen Dr. Deen Dr. deen you should realize the posts I make are of a religious depth never seen by mankind before. There have been those who claimed I do not reply to things they say. But as I reply to virtually every word then such accusation is unjust. I want people to know who is saying what and about what specifically as often posts can run off into varying topics. My way of reply is exacting leaving the reader without any doubt what reply I am making and about what and by whom. It is not a silly habit it is a way of creating clarity in words. Dr. Deen you said: the idea of the post is understood when it is read as a whole and not the sentence-by-sentence method that you are applying...the first sentence is never wholly understood except in context with the last one... Starjade says: You are just in a huff because I dissected your entire reply word for word and my reply showed your reply was not a good enough explanation or account for the error in the Koran about who adopted Moses. It is seen and proven that it was the daughter of the Pharaoh not the wife as the Koran claimed and so this is an error still existing in the Koran. This is why these matters must be exacting and precise so everyone understands the matter clearly. (It was a good read though wasn�t it.? ) Dr. Deen you said: The Moabite Stone has nothing to do with who adopted Moses...I just mentioned it as a proof that 'house' was written b_t... Starjade says: I did not doubt you. But the story was of a female adopting Moses not a house or houshold. In the Old Testament it speaks of the daughter of the Pharaoh adopting Moses not the house of the Pharaoh and in the Koran it speaks of the wife of the Pharaoh adopting Moses and not the house. So the story itself states what was being spoken about. Had this translation excuse of yours been so valid then surely it would have said the house of the pharaoh in the Koran but it does not. And nobody other than you says it meant house not daughter or wife. Dr. Deen you said: Whether Joseph approached the Pharoah's house or his queen... Whether the weeping was heard by the whole house or by the queen... Both meanings are logical... Starjade says: I do not think the father of Nefure the Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was married at that Time. I think his previous wife had died. My research was of Nefure Hatshepsut to determine if she was married at the Time she adopted Moses. She was not married at that Time and the ruling King Pharaoh was not the one who adopted Moses nor was he the father of Nefure Hatshepsut. Those matters pertained to the co regent Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was still the main absolute ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. Would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis. When Moses was adopted Pharaoh Ahmosis was very much alive. Dr. Deen you said: BUT Whether Pharoah's daughter or the entire house or household was near the river...THAT MAKES NO SENSE... Starjade says: That�s a fact. The story roams around the finding of Moses to that adoption by a female. Not a household. Dr. Deen you said: Therefore when the y was introduced to b_t to diffrentiate between 'house' and 'daughter'...the first two examples were changed but the third was not changed thinking that it was the daughter but it wasn't...it was the Egyptian usage of the word 'house'...i.e the queen Starjade says: The Pharaoh spoken of in the Koran and in the Old Testament was without doubt the co regent Pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. I am sure that the mother of Nefure Hatshepsut died when she was young. So there was no queen of the Pharaoh even then. I shall have to dig out my records to clarify this point. So the matter was not of any queen. Not of any house or household. But of Nefure Hatshepsut who is known to have adopted Moses and she was not married at that Time no matter what the Koran claims. Nefure Hatshepsut only married when Moses killed an Egyptian and fled Egypt. Dr.Deen you said: That's the cause of this contradiction to occur...The Pharaoh�s queen adopted Moses... Starjade says: You are wrong Moses was not adopted by the father of Nefure Hatshepsut. He did accept Moses as being his heir after his daughter persuaded him. But his daughter was not married at that Time. As I have already pointed out. So it was not the Queen who adopted Moses and it is an error in the Koran not a contradiction. Dr. Deen you said: By the way, don't get Hatshepsut involved here...coz i can give you pages of proof the Moses was Akhenaten and Miriam was Nefertiti and i can give you pages of proof the Joseph was Akhenaten and i can give you pages of proof that Moses was a vizier of Akhenaten.... Starjade says: You have no proofs only the opinions of others voicing their own views and speculations. The name Hatshepsut is a Title not a name just as the Rameses was and the Pharaoh was. Moses was adopted by Nefure who became the Hatshepsut. A very Knowledgeable Muslim called Hanifan first told me the name of the adoptive mother of Moses. And Hanifan would eat you for breakfast. Be sure he was a most exacting scholar and not prone to mistakes. He suggested perhaps that Nefure had adopted Moses but was married to a Pharaoh at that Time. This was in his view an explanation as to why the Koran claimed she was the wife of the Pharaoh and the daughter. So you are getting your wires crossed Dr. Deen. I then went into research on Nefure and be sure there is not error Nefure Hatshepsut was the female who adopted Moses however at that Time she was not married. At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of �Hatshepsut� and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. This is the only Time she began to hold any Title of being Queen yet still she was unmarried to any Pharaoh blowing out the claims of the Koran that all Muslims brag are so perfect. Yet it is not and the Koran is in error. By the way Dr. Deen. On the internet people say allsorts of things but that does not make their beliefs true. When I researched the history of Nefure Hatshepsut There was also a lot of garbled garbage left by others trying to pass their own views off as facts. Do not in your desperation paste their waste of times view here as they are not any proof as you claim they are the views of ignorant people who want to express their opinions without sticking to the facts. On Egyptian history you must be careful what you read. Just a little advice from one who has already been on that merrygoround. Dr. Deen you said: We are here to discuss your claims about these "contradictions" you say exist in the Quran....where is Moses in egyptology is a different issues and is built upon theories and assumptions..your hundreds of claims...can we say that they are now down by one??? Starjade says: Hahaha you wish. However after the days and days of my researching Nefure Hatshepsut who was the daughter of the Pharaoh and not married at the Time she adopted Moses and was not a Queen and even then unmarried until Moses was 18. Then it is clear that the Koran was and still is in error. Of course if you are bored with the issue of Nefure Hatshepsut then we can move on. Perhaps you would like to discuss another error in the Koran such as this Devil that Muhammad states lives up the noses of all Muslims.? And how Muhammad said Muslims must snort up water and blast that Devil out. Now come on Dr. Deen the science alone says this is just not true but Muhammad states that a Devil lives up the noses of all Muslims. Now do you believe that is so. ? Or perhaps you might want to start in the beginnings and begin those really tougher conversations regarding the origin of the Angel Gabriel who Muhammad claimed squeezed him in a Cave until he recited out the very words of the Koran along with all its errors. The very Angel Gabriel who appeared so Muhammad claimed on the Mountain to tell Muhammad that he was the Deuteronomy Prophet that God had promised Moses he would raise up. There are lots of things we can speak about other than who adopted Moses. After all we know it was the daughter and not the wife of any Pharaoh.
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Starjade says: Yes I agree so far I have not found one Muslim
able to dispute the errors that exist in the Koran. Too bad the
Koran is not flawless but the Sura 4:82 is a word worth more than its
weight in Gold. Just as the Islamic law is that I invoked in the
beginnings.
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Starjade
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Starjade
says: Well who at this Time is like the ultimate religious Islamic
leader. If there are many then get them all online for sooner
or later they are going to have to face me. I say you Muslims
should go and warn them about the Doomsday Prophet Starjade. Go tap your Imams on their shoulders
whisper behind closed doors and shout
it out
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LionKing 
Graduate Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 1835 |
you should realize the posts I make are of a religious depth never seen by mankind before.
That statement alone, reduces all your credibility down to zero.
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Starjade
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Does it eckers like. I am the long awaited Dueteronomy Doomsday
Prophet and all my posts are just pure Gold. AS all religions
are powerless against me then I am the true real King of the apocalyptic
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| LionKing
Graduate Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 1835 |
Uhhh...take a nap...............troll.
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| Starjade
Senior Member Joined: 28 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Religion: None Posts: 335 |
(Yawn) I am still
waiting.
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| sheerheart1 Sophmore Member Joined: 10 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 45 |
mr starflakey you need to learn proper egyptain history and put your glasses
on when you read it was moses sister that set him on the nile not his
mother
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| Bill2702
Undergraduate Joined: 05 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Atheist(Atheist) Posts: 905 |
Starjade, Have you managed to catch up with the works of Terry Pratchet yet?
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| sheerheart1 Sophmore Member Joined: 10 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 45 |
hey star fake
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| sheerheart1 Sophmore Member Joined: 10 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 45 |
does starfake read terry
pratchet i thought he only read deut ans sura 4-28
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| Bill2702
Undergraduate Joined: 05 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Religion: Atheist(Atheist) Posts: 905 |
I have pointed out That
TP is one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th century to SJ but
He said he was too busy to follow it up.
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sheerheart1
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unfortunatly fakey the
and he is to busy quoting the same sura from the holy
QUR'AAN
and challanging to many people on to many website this is why he does
not have time for excellent writters like prachett he could learn a
thing or two (best not in form him about that) we might get a clap of
thunder over our head from him
so mr fakey
u must be so busy with dooms day arranging where the earth quakes and
thunder is gonna be that is not
even in ur hands but ALLAH'S hands alhamdulilah mr fakey ur death is
nigh like everyones where u will answer to GOD where u will beg for
forgiveness not to go into the fires of hell
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Starjade
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Get my name right sheerfart
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Why even the Living God said to me you should hearken. 
take ur meds flacky
lolol
i read his post just to have a laugh lets me know i am a sane person
lol