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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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scruggnut 
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Ok, I thought that you were some bible thumper, but after reading your posts, it doesn't seem as if thats what you are. What, exactly, do you want to prove, starjade....because, odds are, that you're not proving anything to anyone other than yourself.
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Graduate Joined: 07 February 2006 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Religion: None Posts: 1303 |
Freddom of speach, eh....there'll
be no freddom here. I don't even know what freddom is; but i'm
sure that a babysitter I once hired had some freddom with her boyfriend
on my couch after I had left. There was freddom everywhere.
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Starjade says: As a matter of fact I used Egyptian History not the Old Testament to prove the statement made in the Koran about who adopted Moses was wrong. This error was of course erased by Muslim moderators shirking by deception. Where is the integrity? I said: The first error I choose to name that exists in the Koran concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). I did mention this story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. As the Old Testament is the source of this data then one has to question why the Koran says it was the wife of the Pharaoh not his daughter. But I used Egyptian history to establish the error being in the Koran. The woman who adopted Moses was called Nefure Hatshepsut. The only female Pharaoh to ever rule in Egypt. As the complicated story goes the dates being uncertain and only approximates. Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was called Pharaoh but was co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis. Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. Had heard the rumours of how troubles would come to Egypt from the Hebrew nation and so he ordered the deaths of all the first-born sons to prevent that event from ever occurring. However oddly one year would pass and those sons of the Hebrew nation would be allowed to live and then the next year the first-born was to die. So they alternated these deaths this way so as not to create more problems for them selves. Aaron the brother of Moses was born in the year that those first-born were to be saved and Moses was born in the year that those first-born were to die. So his mother placed him in a basket and set him lose to fate on the Nile. His sister followed the basket and saw the Pharaohs daughter Nefure discover the babe and she decided to keep the child and adopt it. Nefure was the only surviving daughter of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Nefure she convinced her father to make her little adopted child Moses his future heir. So Moses was set up to become the future King of all Egypt. Moses became known as Senmut which means mothers brother. It is a named derived from the tale of Osiris and Horus but I will not be talking about that. Historians studies show that Moses came to live in the palace at about 12 years Old about the same Time that his adopted Grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Became main emporer over the whole of Egypt. At this Time they had moved from the palace at Memphis where the Co regent ruled and went to Thebes where the main Palace was. At about the age of 18 Moses was designated the future heir apparent with his mother Nefure as his regent. She was now given the additional royal name of �Hatshepsut� and was then referred to as Queen instead of princess. Once someone was designated as the future heir to the throne his inscriptions refer to him as �King�. Moses was elevated to this position of heir apparent when he was 24 years old. When Moses became about 33 years old he was designated as being the Crown Prince and became known as Thutmoses 11. The numbers after the Egyptian Kings names are simply designations given to them by Egyptologists to identify each succeeding person of the same name. When Moses was 40 he killed an Egyptian and so as history claims Moses had to flee Egypt. To prevent the loss of the Crown to another family Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. Who clearly was still alive otherwise Moses would have been crowned King Pharaoh. Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. married his daughter off to her younger half brother Thutmose who became called Thutmose the 11 and that was how Nefure Hatshepsut became married. There are claims that the father of Nefure / Hatshepsut had died when she was 15 yet this cannot be true for Moses fled Egypt when he was 40 and history speaks of Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. being alive at that Time. In fact if he had died then Moses would have been ruling Egypt as the emperor Pharaoh. But he was not that ruler of Egypt because his adopted grandfather Thutmoses 1 / Amenhotep 1. was still alive. So Nefure Hatshepsut only became married after Moses had fled Egypt. She had been the daughter of the Pharaoh not his wife as it claims in the Koran. The Koran is proven by Egyptian history to be wrong.
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I
am not a Christian Muslim or Jew and moderators are erasing my writings
and so you are not getting my words. I do write on many forums
though where this restrictions on what I am stating are not being erased.
Muslims here maybe ignoring me words or not seeing them as the moderators
erase them but be sure the enemies of Islam are listening and taking
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Starjade
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Starjade says: When you speak you speak of the Bible. yet that Bible has two religions not one. The Jews is the Old Testament and the Christians is the new Testament which was added onto the Old Testament by the Roman Christians and is not valid. So do not presume to put your words in my mouth. Perhaps you do not know but any Bible with a New Testament is a Christian Bible yet the Old Testament is still Jewsh. Just borrowerd by the Christians.
The Bible is not open to discussion here it is the errors in the Koran
that this debate is about. Of course your moderators will be
busy erassing my words so you will be denied that information but
trust me I write in a lot of places and so word is getting about.
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Yes I left Liberty Unites because they erased a debate I was having with Dr. Deen. Had you looked more closely on that website you will have seen 3 Dr's. Shirk away unable to defend islam or the Koran or Muhammad. Islam bit the dust. I
was invited onto that forum as well as I have a powerful reputation
on the Internet. But as you have erasure heads moderating here
then it is clear the followers of Islam are afraid to face up to reality.
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You do realise my post was erased because Egytian historyu proved errors exist in the Koran about who adopted Moses. It was not the wife as Egyptian history showed. So then you are mistaken.
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No offence; but I don't care about your words....I would much rather hear me talk. Or Salah-din, even. But why come here, just to try and prove these people wrong? What do you get from this? What are you offering them in return? Don't say "the truth", because what you speak is your version of the truth....not the "truth in a nutsell, there you have it". You mentioned when you opened this thread that you have god given revelations. Did god really give you these revelations? Did they come in excessive packaging; because that would be so wrong. The least god could for the environment, is to minimize the packaging that comes with his revelations. So, again; what is your point in doing this. What do you hope to accomplish.
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M.A.R.W.A.N] you said: Starjade, why are you posting this link of yours when, in that same link, you couldn't solve your own challenge. Starjade says: I can always back up my mouth as many Muslims and Christians found out to their cost. M.A.R.W.A.N] you said: I especially like this part, taken from Page 1. Some guy called Timur Khan answers you by saying "Your question is a complex question suggesting your lack of a background in critical thinking. You are assuming a mistake when you have yet to argue and prove this "assertion", which is buried in premiss of your question. Starjade says: Timur Khan is a shirker the worse kind of a Muslim. On that forum was a Dr. Maybee. He was the intelligent one. Timur Khan just butted in now and then. Timur Khan got into strife in a debate with the Christian Preacher iris and could not reply to her probing questions so he was seen shirking. I joined in demanding Timur khan reply to iris and to stop shirking. But Timur Khan could not reply. He was caught between a rock and a hard place. His way to reply was to erase the entire question and pretend it nevr existed. Too bad for him Starjade is a web page designer also and I save HTML codes and have his shirking on disc. I have been so busy writing I have not yet had the opportunity to show him shirking and shaming islam. It was pitiful. So Timur khan is a Shirking Kuffar and not worthy of note other than to expose how some Muslims desperately shirk by deception.
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scruggnut you said: Starjade....don't you realize that no one trusts anybody who speaks of themselves in the third person. Wait....Scruggnut says: don't you realize that? Starjade says: My way of writing is done so anyone reading can tell what was said and who was saying it and what the words are a reply to. This way there is no error as to who said what and why. As I am that Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Ch 18 v 15/18 that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up then I am, also that third person. I am very much a part of this equasion. And who are you to assume you know what everyone thinks. I have people email me asking me to come and write on their forums as they can trust me and know exactly what I am like. scruggnut you said: Scruggnut thinks that your pomposity is matched only by your self righteousnes. Scruggnut thinks that you can quote any book that you wish....since Scruggnut doesn't believe in any of them, you prove nothing to Scruggnut. Starjade says: If you do not believe in the Old Testament or the New Testament or the Koran then what is your point in being on a forum where religion is discussed. Are you simply lonely. scruggnut you said: Scruggnut has an itch....Scruggnut is scratching it. Starjade
says: Yeah VD is most prevalent in your area. You should
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Starjade says: I did bring an error that exists in the Koran in the beginnings and the moderator did not want you to see that error in the Koran and so he erased it. The error was about who adopteds Moses. Egyptian history proves the woman who adopted Moses was not married at that Time. Allah is a Hubal al'ilah the pagan moon god. Dont you know anything of history. So you say your not a novice eh Of course my words are being erased by the moderators and so that puts you to an advantage so you might think eh. What of the grammatical errors that exist in the Koran. As you read the Koran so much you will have noticed them. Or is your Koran in English not Arabic. Not that the Koran is all Arabic as it does have foreign languages within its text. But you will have noticed them also wont you. .In sura 2:177, the word Sabireen should be Sabiroon because of its position in the sentence (since it is a human plural, it should remain in the masculine plural form?). 2.In sura 7:160, the phrase "We divided them into twelve tribes," is written in the feminine plural: Uthnati Ashrat Asbaataan. Due to the fact that it refers to a number of people, it should be written in the masculine plural form: Uthaiy Ashara Sibtaan, as all human plurals are automatically male in Arabic. 3.In sura 4:162, the phrase "And (especially) those who establish regular prayer..." is written as al Muqiyhina al salaat, which again is in the feminine plural form, instead of the masculine plural: al Muqiyhuna al salaat (?). It is important to note that the two following phrases, "(those who) practice regular charity, and (those who) believe in Allah..." are both correctly written in the masculine human plural form. 4.In sura 5:69, the title al Sabioon, referring to the Sabians, should be written al Sabieen. 5.In sura 63:10, the phrase "I shall be" is written akun (which is in the 3rd person?). Yet since this word refers to the future (& is in the 1st person) it should be written akunu. 6.In sura 3:59, the words Kun feekunu should be written, Kun fakaana. There are other grammatical errors which exist in the Qur'an as well, such as: suras 2:192; 13:28; 20:66 and the duals which replace the plurals in sura 55. If we are still in doubt as to whether the Qur'an is subject to error, it might be helpful end this section by quoting a Muslim scholar, who, himself, comments on this very problem concerning grammatical mistakes in the Qur'an: As you indulged in the Koran so much then why do you not already know of these errors and did you miss Starjades 21 errors that exist in the Koran eh.? http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.ht ml Oh and I did mention that Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed Jesus was the prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being didn�t I. But the thing is Jesus claimed he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18. That is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews. (cough) Erm What prophet was it :) that Muhammad proclaimed himself as being. Isnt it a fact he claimed he was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And you do not see that as being odd. Oh and as you claim you are not a Novice then be aware this forum is erasing my writings. If I am banned islam shows it is powerless against me. On other forums I have 100% freedom of speech so if I am not posting or my posts are continued to be erased you will only be getting part of the conversation. I invite you to email me where I will give you a link to a forum where they allow freedom of speak. Unless of course you are too afraid to face me as you now brag.
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Well here in the western world we know Kings as being males. I
am a Lord King by the way. A King of Kings and I just laugh at
those who think they could dispute that statement. |
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Starjade
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I
do not see what you are bragging about Justdon those Muslims lost in
their debate. In fact Timur Khan outright shirked away in the
End. His only way to reply was to erase the question. |
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LOL....you're pretty funny, starjade. I came here to try and understand why people were freaking out about cartoons; but I never actually found that out. What I did find, was a place where, as long as one has a modicum of respect; you can say whats on your mind. I also found some friends....I found people that I thought I couldn't possibly have anything in common with. Guess what. I was wrong. I have more in common with most of the people on this forum, than I do with the likes of you. I'm here to learn. Not just about islam; but about people....because in the end, as far as i'm concerned; it's the people that are important....not who they worship. Whats important is not what hand they use to eat, or to clean their bums, or how many times they pray, or don't pray....to me, it's whats inside that matters. And whats inside the average muslim, is the same thing that can be found inside of me. Don't come here telling these people that they have it all wrong. Don't come here thinking that you're the greatest thing since they made pez dispensers, because nothing is better than a pez dispenser. What you want to do, will only promote more division....more hate. What's the point in that. We need less of that. We need more understanding, more acceptance, most importantly in the instances where there is little in the way of understanding. We need to bring people together. We don't need to further the seperation between us. I really hope you don't think that you're serving any purpose other than to strengthen everyones belief....you're not driving your vaunted wedge between them and their beliefs. Again, what you're doing, will make them understand that, if what they believe in can cause you so much distress....it must be closer to the truth than your words indicate. You mentioned the "enemies of islam"....am I wrong in assuming that you count yourself to be among their numbers? If you do, why should anyone listen to a word that you have to say, when your words are tainted by your hatred towards islam? Am I lonely? Ummmm, no. Not half as lonely as someone who has to go around proving other people wrong, and who gets off on trying to smash other peoples beliefs. That's lonely. I'm glad that you think of yourself as a prophet....very nice. Do you get your clothes at prophets 'r' us?
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