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posted by Starjade Show the evidence she was married before she adopted Moses. Of course tectonically Thutmose 11 he was really Thutmose 111 because Moses was originally Thutmoses 11 until he gave up his right to that throne and all Titles then went to his adoptive mothers husband hence he became Thutmose 11 in place of Moses. Yet he would have been Thutmose 111 if Moses had no children. The Old Testament and the Koran both speak of the adoption of Moses and so from a religious point of view there is no doubt that the event happened surely. |
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posted by Starjade Now out of right nice kindness I even did not use the name Nefure for your sake and where did that get you eh. Still with the names Maatkara and Hatshepsut which are still pertaining to the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 and she was the one who adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and had to flee Egypt. alongside 11 Chapters of the Koranb glorifying Jesus as being (tee hee) the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being. Which you know very well is in fact the very Prophet that the Koran glorifies Muhammad as being. |
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posted by Starjade Then again here is another link where they call Nefure Hatshepsut Maatkara Bithiah by the name of Thermuthis. Ref, Josephus Ant. 2.9.7 Sometimes called Tharmuth, who they say was the daughter of Pharaoh who adopted Moses. Book of Jubilees 47:5 http://www.biblefacts.org/myth/moses.html Holy Eeeketh where does it all end all these names for just one female who adopted Moses. Kayyam you unfairly insist that I show the sources of these names because they were not chiselled in stone on tombs which would not happen anyways and yet these are names used by historians and Egyptologists and a variety of religious people to identify an individual. So it is a matter of choice as to which name to use to speak of that specific individual which will always be the daughter of Thutmose 1. To deny the facts I have presented when it is clearly obvious what I have said is true then that makes you a Kuffar and to walk away from this debate when my word is proven to be true makes you then a shirker. |
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Kayyam Undergraduate Undergraduate Joined: 21 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Sunni) Posts: 1133 |
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Starjade says: There is no error in my words at all you are clutching at straws Kayyam. I have shown you that Hatshepsut Maatara has several names I have shown you Nefure Hatshepsut Maatkara Bithiah Thermuthis as being many of the names given for that Princess. The first mention of her name apparently came by Manetho in 250 BC, who discovered her name mentioned in the secret documents of the temples. However, he mis-named her and mixed her with "Ahmose-Nefertary", her great grandmother and wife of "Ahmose I". With the later closure of temples during the Roman Empire, Hatshepsut was forgotten once again, to be remembered only during the 19th century AD, with the study of her temple at el-Deir el-Bahary. However as I have pointed out many people have varying names for that same daughter of Thutmose 1.
Ma'at-ka-Ra Hatshepsut, Ma'at-ka-Ra - 'Truth/Order/Balance ("Ma'at") is the Spirit/Double ("ka") of Ra' Hatshepsut - 'Foremost of Noble Women' her name "Maat-Ka-Ra" or "Daughter of Ra" "Hatshepsut Xnem Amen" means "Hatshepsut united with Amen". "Amen" is the supreme god of the 18th dynasty, another name for "Re/Ra", the sun. This name means that the "king" of this name is the product of Hatshepsut being united with Amen, or the offspring, so to speak, of Hatshepsut by the god, Amen. And "Senmut" is the Egyptian name given to Moses when he first came to live at the palace. This name means literally "mother's brother" when Moses was about 33 years old, he was designated as the crown prince and became "Thutmoses II". Losing that Title when he fled Egypt after killing an Egyptian.
Starjade says: I loved the way you say slithered hahaha most funny but not true at all. Sometimes I do not get an opportunity to write at lengths to your replies as I was in deep conversations with others that took my Time away and yet be patient for I will always catch up. I did say from my research that Thutmose 1 and Amenhotep 1 are the same name and title for the same person.
The inscriptions found in temples and tombs indicate that the "Thutmoses" name is indicative of one of the offices of the pharaoh, just as was the "Amenhotep" name-and that each pharaoh was both a "Thutmoses" as well as an "Amenhotep" as he advanced in the royal line from co-regent to emperor it appears that the crown prince received his "Thutmoses" title upon being appointed co-regent, and then became "Amenhotep" in addition to his earlier names, when he became the main ruling King Pharaoh.
Each ruler left inscriptions relating to his reign in both names-sometimes he referred to himself as Thutmoses, while at other times Amenhotep. Each individual king left inscriptions in both names, dating his regal years sometimes from the date of his co-regency and sometimes from the date of his emperorship. The Egyptians were a weird lot in their history. It would be easy for an individual to misunderstand and presume two people instead of the one existed.
Not only was "Thutmoses" also to become "Amenhotep"- he, as main emperor of all Egypt, was also titled "Rameses". Egyptian evidence shows that every native Egyptian king from the time of the 5th dynasty was titled "Son of the Sun" or "Rameses" in addition to his other names. Egyptians love titles and inscriptions referring to "Rameses" refer to many different pharaohs. Kayyam you claim: Clearly your research was a staggering waste of time, because you cannot even get straight the most basic facts of the history.
Starjade says: my research led me to the fact that the daughter of Thutmose 1 was not married to any Pharaoh at that Time which shows that the Koran is in error claiming it was the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses when in truth established by Egyptian history that I researched it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses and she was not married at that time and only became married after Moses killed the Egyptian and had to flee Egypt.
So I was not wasting my Time. In fact I researched the matter because a Muslim called Hanifan suggested the possibility that hatshepsut was married to a Pharaoh as well as being the daughter of a Pharaoh and I saw that as a possibility and so I researched the matter to see if that possibility could be right.
However, it was not right for Hatshepsut the daughter of Thutmose 1 was not married at that Time she adopted Moses and that proves the Koran is in error to claim that it was the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses.
I have got my facts as straight as I can considering the complicated data on Egyptian history and you just do not like the outcome of those revelations. I gave you some links to what archaeologists also say and you discounted them for the sake of a non archaeologist Caroline Seawright who is nothing more than a novice a full time worker, part time traveller, anime and manga lover and HTML programmer! That is where you got your data from.
And yet you have the gall to come to me with her claims as if they are facts and what others say must then not be. Near ancient Thebes, there is a magnificent building called "Deir el Bahri", which is a temple Moses built (as architect) for his adopted mother, Nefure Hatshepsut. Above it is The Tomb No. 71 for Moses which has an unfinished statue carved above the entrance, in the virgin rock of the mountain, of a woman holding a small child this was known to be Moses and his adoptive mother. The records of the building of this tomb show that it was begun when Moses was about 18- the year he was designated as the royal son of pharaoh's daughter and placed in line as the possible future heir-apparent.
The name "Senmut" and "Nefure" are the names mentioned in this tomb so other shall we say researchers claim. Why not go visit that tomb and see for yourself as it is rather difficult for me to post it to you onto the Internet. I understand you object to data coming from archeologists. So what can I say Kayyam. You are the one who is in error not I. Check on what I say and as would any who read these words will find out that the things I say are in fact all true.
Now I have answered to your questions and in such depth that you clearly would not have expected. I am not the one shirking here but you are. You cling onto the name Nefure as if it is of importance when the fact remains I am speaking of the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmoses 1/ Amenhotep 1 who was the one who is known to be the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not his wife. So still the Koran is in error for the Koran claims that it was the wife of the pharaoh who adopted Moses which clearly is not true. Your own research into these matters should have shown you that fact.
I note that you do not answer to my questions and have shirked away and you are doing that because I asked you for the explanation as to why the Koran glorifies Jesus in 11 Chapters of the Koran and you considered those explanations that no Muslim can explain away and you then shirked away because you know you cannot give any reply to those matters or those questions I had asked. That is 11 undisputed errors in the Koran and further confounded by the fact that the Koran glorifies both Jesus and Muhammad as being the Prophets that they are claiming themselves to being whiles unaware of the authors religious ignorance to the fact that both Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming themselves to being the very same Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. And the living God only promised to raise up one Prophet not two.
So one or both of Jesus and Muhammad have to be lying making even more of an error in the Koran which glorifies them both even when the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 established that both are frauds.
Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 by the way is a law that was brought down by Moses from the living God himself and is therefore the actual word of the living God. The Koran in its proclamations is seen to be standing against the actual word of the Living God of Moses Tsk tsk tsk���.
And Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed Jesus was the Prophet Jesus claimed himself as being. Muhammad was clearly standing against Deuteronomy law with such thoughts that are mistaken. I can understand why you Muslims are afraid to speak on these matters and shirk away. Go bring your Imams online and lets see what they have to say before they bite the Dust from the Revelations of the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Go fetch your religious scholars and warn them I am not a Novice and they will get eaten for breakfast. The whole of Islam is powerless against me and I remind you all of the Islamic law that I have invoked in the beginnings that say they must accept what is found to be true and reject what is found to be false. That puts the whole of Islam in a very awkward position. Be aware my own publications reveal these Revelations and strongly advise all Muslims to be very careful before they think of standing in my way. It is far better to get these matters sorted out before that Time which is coming to bring devastation to the religious congregations.
Whiles you think of all of that think also on just who it is that Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law as brought down by Moses from the living God himself can establish the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade to be. So there is no escape no burying your heads in the sand for I have challenged the whole of Islam and Christianity too and you have already bitten the Dust and I am not someone who is going to back down from the challenging of Islam that Muslims themselves goaded me to make with my Revelations before they all shirked away. Just as you appear to have done showing my power over Islam is absolute.
I have seen what you Muslims did to Salmon Rushdie and the fuss you made over those petty cartoons. Well I am something different and I will not be hiding from the followers of Islam instead you will be the ones hiding away from me as I challenge Islam in a more public forum where you will see me call out the challenge of the Sura 4:82 to your Imams who will fear to face me and shirk away. You all already know you are powerless against me and worse for all of you is that I know that too. Only the Doomsday prophet Starjade is the one and only Lord King of the apocalyptic castle and everyone else will continue to bite the Dust. That is the price you will all pay for building yourselves more Golden calves to worship. Think of the history of Moses and realize the Koran is another Golden calf that has been turned into dust.
And I did not even mention the fabricated Angel Gabriel very much but then you know that fabrication is of no help to you at all. My religious knowledge just shines a light along that path so you see further than you have ever seen before and if you bury your head in the sand be sure these matters will not just go away. They will haunt you forevermore but then I am also the Holy Ole Ghost.
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Originally posted by Kayyam
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Explain
what you mean and how that is done.
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Starjade: Abay
kiya jaasti daru pee ray lee hai??? abay tujh ko aur koi kam nahi hai
lallu???
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Starjade
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Originally posted by
Starjade
Starjade says; I can see I have caused your teeth to gnash. On numerous occasions I have answered you on these matters so get over it. There is the matter of Time of before and when the events before the acclaimed Exodus took place that show who the Pharaoh was the details of which I have already spoken. During that Time of Moses growing up it was Thutmose 1 who was the main ruling Pharaoh he was a co regent Pharaoh at the birth of Moses and during his adoption. Therefore it could only have been his daughter Nefure Hatshepsut Maatkara who adopted Moses. It is hardly rocket science so you are avoiding the issue. Of course you know who adopted Moses it was Nefure Hatshepsut Maatkara the daughter of Thutmose 1. State exactly which Pharaoh you are saying that Hatshepsut who is known to be the one who adopted Moses was married to before she adopted Moses. Answer the question.? Show the evidence she was married before she adopted Moses.
Starjade says: I know you cannot prove the Koranic account as the Korans account is wrong. It was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not his wife. You are making claims but you are not able to back those claims up. Using Caroline Seawright as the source of your data is not a good idea for she was not an archaeologist. Of course tectonically Thutmose 11 he was really Thutmose 111 because Moses was originally Thutmoses 11 until he gave up his right to that throne and all Titles then went to his adoptive mothers husband hence he became Thutmose 11 in place of Moses. Yet he would have been Thutmose 111 if Moses had no children.
Starjade says: That old whine of
yours holds no credibility. I have been using data from other
archaeologists just to prove the point and there is nothing wrong with
the archaeologist Wyatts account. Your own source of data was
Caroline Seawright who was not even an archaeologist nor did she speak
of the adoption of Moses in her writings and neither did any of your
other waste of space links. Stop deluding yourself for Starjade
will always be the King of this Castle.
Starjade says: I have already said the history of these Pharaohs so why are you yackling on about them. Thutmose 11 became Thutmose 11 after Moses fled Egypt taking the title from Moses who was originally Thutmose 11. If Moses had no children then that Ramesese Pharaoh would have been Thutmose 111. That then makes the Pharaoh who married Nefure hatshepsut Maatkara Thutmose 11 and he would have been Thutmose the 111. Had you been more diligent you may have noticed some say Hatshepsut married Thutmose 111 and by the way Thutmose 11 was not born off Thutmose 1 wife but off a concubine. The Ramesese Thutmose 11 was the Pharaoh who faced Moses and according to your Koran he drowned in the Red sea. Are you then admitting the Koran is wrong even after I already proved that it was by the Sura 4 :82 challenge. Well you are a tad late on that fact which was already proven in the beginnings. __________________ |
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The Old Testament and the Koran both speak of the adoption of Moses and so from a religious point of view there is no doubt that the event happened surely.
Starjade says: Egyptian history established it was the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses. She was not married at that Time and so she was not the wife of any Pharaoh. You appeared to deny that Moses existed even though your Koran and the claims of Muhammad are all based on the Prophecies of Moses brought down from the living God as written in the Old Testament. I was simply pointing out that the religious text of the Koran and the Old Testament both agree that Moses did exist and so there is no doubt then agreed on both sides that those events before and after the Exodus did take place. It is a matter then of the authenticity of those accounts that comes into question and the Korans account is wrong.
Originally posted by
Starjade
Starjade says: You have not provided
and reputable sources as you claim and no good links at all in fact
you bloated out most conversations from Caroline Seawright as if she
was the expert on the matter. She is not. She is not even
an archaeologist. None of your links mention the adoption of Moses
and so they are a waste of space. The topic we were discussing
was who adopted Moses the daughter or the wife. Your useless links
do not even mention Moses. You brought them online to attempt
to dispute the name Nefure Hatshepsut. Only to cause even more
names for the daughter of the Pharaoh to be pronounced.
Starjade says: I have provided many sources as well as quotations from historian�s archaeologists and religious text. I am not desperate at all and I have proved my points it is just you who is having a hard time accepting those facts. One big point which is what this was all about is the fact that it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses and not his wife. So stop falsely flattering yourself. And yes there are errors in Seawrights essays or do you forget the data was just an essay she wrote. You should look at what was said more closely. Do not expect me to waste my Time pointing those facts out. Instead do some reading of her blabberwocky on your own. She is not even an archaeologist.
The Muslim Hanifan first linked me to that HTML programmer in 2004 and I saw errors in her essays and researched more deeply. I have already pointed out some of those errors. She did not even speak of the adoption of Moses which is what the subject matter was about. You on the other hand found it convenient to accept the words of that non archaeologist hoping it would help you prove what exactly?. That her word stands greater then the archaeologist Wyatt or the Doomsday Prophet Starjade or the many others that dispute her accounts and beliefs that have no foundation. The error in the Koran that you forget is that the Old Testament states it was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses whiles the Koran mistakenly claims it was the wife. Egyptian history does show that hatshepsut was not married at that Time so the Koran is in error it was the daughter of Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses and Hatshepsut was not married at that Time. Try and dispute that fact. __________________ |
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Now out of right nice kindness I even did not use the name Nefure for your sake and where did that get you eh. Still with the names Maatkara and Hatshepsut which are still pertaining to the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 and she was the one who adopted Moses.
Starjade says: I have stuck to the facts and watched as you could not defend your claims and I was most tolerant. Again I also showed varying links and references that you just ignored. You bragged you were researching the matter and so do not try and tell me you did not see that the things I have said were all true for you would have come across those facts yourself had you researched the matter more diligently. I researched those matters was back in the year 2004/5. The Muslims I was in discussions with were scholars. Who else could keep up with the depth of my conversations? The fact is the matter under discussion was who adopted Moses the daughter or the wife. You have shown no links at all regarding those matters of who adopted Moses. All you have done is moan at length about my using the name Nefure Hatshepsut even though it was made clear I was speaking of the daughter of Thutmose 1. She was not married at that Time. So she was not the wife of any Pharaoh. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and had to flee Egypt.
Starjade says: There is in the Old Testament and the Koran recording that matter. Or does the Koran not speak of such a thing. You should know you are the one with your nose stuck into its pages. (tee hee) Did you snort the Devil out of your nose today then.? (chuckle at the thought) What does the Koran say then.? Are you also disputing the Koran.? They are still historical documents as well as religious ones like it or not. But of course the Korans account was plagiarised from the Old Testament and re written with stories of its own. Clearly done to promote Muhammad as being the Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up and to steal the Jews religion.
Starjade says: Bit daft really as the Arabs are Jews as well as are all the descendants of Abraham. And even dafter when it is realised that Muhammad believed in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being which any Christian should be able to tell you that the Prophet that jesus claimed himself as being is that very prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews.
Starjade says: By the way there is no devil in your nose. I am sure Muhammad was just having a laugh saying that. After all Muhammad would be flying over the cuckoos nest if he was actually being serious in such a belief. Erm What was that reason why Muhammad climbed up that Mountain again do you recall. :) I just bet you do. You should know the history of Muhammad just as well as I do. He said he had gone mad and had climbed up that Mountain to kill himself. Nuff said then. ________________ |
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Originally posted by
Starjade
Starjade says; The point is many people have many different statements of the name of the daughter who adopted Moses. We are speaking of religion and history and of who adopted Moses the daughter of the Pharaoh as it says in the Old Testament or the wife of the Pharaoh as it says in the Koran. You are the one yackling on about the name instead of the person. It is the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses and she was not married at that Time no matter what her name is. So the Koran is in error. There are still many names for that same person. That was the point as you did seem obsessed. Nobody asked if you were interested in those facts you asked for the source of the name of the Pharaohs Thutmose 1 daughter and there are many accounts for her name and so do not ask if you do not want the answer. Then again here is another link where they call Nefure Hatshepsut Maatkara Bithiah by the name of Thermuthis. Ref, Josephus Ant. 2.9.7 Sometimes called Tharmuth, who they say was the daughter of Pharaoh who adopted Moses. Book of Jubilees 47:5 http://www.biblefacts.org/myth/moses.html
Starjade says; They are all referring to the female who adopted Moses and they all have different names for those characters. I suggest you read more closely to deny they spoke of the Pharaohs daughter and her finding Moses is deceptive on your part. The very mention of the (cough) fabricated angel Gabriel already shows that the statements should be taken with a pinch of salt and are most likely to be a fabricated tale anyways but the point was the name they used for the Pharaohs daughter. There are many names given for that same female. Holy Eeeketh where does it all end all these names for just one female who adopted Moses.
Starjade says: That is a week backtrack excuse. The fact is I have named the name Nefure Hatshepsut which was also a similar name from her mother Queen Ahmose and for Hatshepsut�s daughter. You complained and so I showed that many researchers use many names for that same person but she is still known as the daughter of Thutmose 1. I have already replied to where that name was thought to have originated from in history. Either way you knew exactly which daughter of the Pharaoh I spoke about creating a needless argument. Kayyam you unfairly insist that I show the sources of these names because they were not chiselled in stone on tombs which would not happen anyways and yet these are names used by historians and Egyptologists and a variety of religious people to identify an individual.
Starjade says: So you read from others that name alone was chiselled in stone. As a matter of fact I did not invent those names and showed how other names for that same person are being used to identify the daughter of Thutmose 1. Your argument then is pointless. It does not alter the fact that the daughter of Thutmose 1 was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. So she was not the Pharaoh�s wife. The Koran is still in error to claim she was. And I am a religious person and I did use the name of Nefure Hatshepsut and how touching of you to allow me to use the name I chose to use. But then that was not up to you was it. So it is a matter of choice as to which name to use to speak of that specific individual which will always be the daughter of Thutmose 1.
Starjade says: (cough splutter) hahaha you made me laugh so much my nose goo almost splattered out across the computer screen. No you cannot use that name but if you do I shall know you refer to the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses and not his wife. Of course others will not know what you are talking about.
The first mention of her name apparently came by Manetho in 250 BC, who discovered her name mentioned in the secret documents of the temples. However, he mis-named her and mixed her with "Ahmose-Nefertary", her great grandmother and wife of "Ahmose I". With the later closure of temples during the Roman Empire, Hatshepsut was forgotten once again, to be remembered only during the 19th century AD, with the study of her temple at el-Deir el-Bahary. So then this name Nefure still has some standing. I do not have those documents to show to you but if you research this matter with your interest in history that should confirm the matter shouldn�t it. However nobody but you calls her bobby sue. Whereas there are a lot who do call her Nefure Hatshepsut. I am one of them. ______________ |
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alongside 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being (tee hee) the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being. Which you know very well is in fact the very Prophet that the Koran glorifies Muhammad as being. Kayyam you said; Trying to change the subject? Getting a little uncomfortable defending your (Wyatt's) assertions. We can turn to this 11-chapter thing later. You are not getting off the hook that easily. Kayyam
Starjade says: This subject is already done and dusted. It was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses not his wife so that is the error that exists in the Koran as I have proven and as I have said all along. Your obsession with Wyatt is unfounded as he is a most remarkable archaeologist. Do you think Wyatt invented Thutmoses 1 and Hatshepsut then.? Well Thutmoses 1 and Hatshepsut were spoken of long before Wyatt was born so your attack against him is pointless. Of course for your convenience you speak of caraline Seawright an HTML programmer who is not an archaeologist as your source of data.
Starjade says: Kayyam be aware of the fact I am something of an expert on more than 3 major religions. Christianity bit the dust long before I was goaded by Muslims to challenge Islam with my God given Revelations. Two over 20 years Christian ordained Ministers could not defend jesus or his disciples from my God given Revelations and they were experts on the Christians religion and be sure to this day no other hapless Christian can or has. It is very easy to prove Jesus is a fraud. You cannot defend Muhammad�s belief in Jesus or the 11 Chapters of the Koran that are serious errors existing in the Koran. Even more so when one considers the claims of Muhammad who also believed in Jesus. I laugh at all those who try to dispute those matters for they have bitten the dust before they utter their first words. Trust me 11 Chapters of the Koran cannot be defended nor the beliefs and claims of Muhammad. They are all errors in the Koran. Much errors and discrepancies. Sura 4:82 to you.
Starjade says: These conversations on who adopted Moses the daughter or the wife are starting to become boring and repetitive. History clearly shows it was Hatshepsut the daughter of Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses and she was not married to a Pharaoh at that Time. So she was not the wife of the Pharaoh. That matter has been established whiles you yackled on about a name instead of the person you knew the name referred to. Now I am sure the readers are as bored with this as I am. The error has been established in the Koran.
Starjade says: But 11 Chapters of errors existing in the Koran are going to be far more interesting conversations. No Muslim on this Planet can defend those 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus and his disciples. Or the claims of Christianity that the writers of the Koran are openly and clearly seen as being guilty of plagiarising from the New Testament. You dare not move onto those conversations so you keep going around in circles on a repetitive mode of conversation. Remind yourself that the Sura 4:82 challenge states that if errors are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. Allow me to quote: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
Starjade says: 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Muhammad believed in Jesus and that is why there are 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus and plagiarising New Testament text which was written I add by the Romans. I add that the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being is the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they call Jesus the King of the Jews.
Starjade says: Now do not misunderstand me. Jesus is a fraud and not that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet. But it is a known fact that specific long awaited Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet is the one who is without doubt the King of all the Jews. Not someone who just claims that they are that specific Prophet as Muhammad and Jesus have done without any proof. To be that specific Prophet there needs to be some evidence of that fact that can be established by Deuteronomy law without any doubt. Neither Jesus or Muhammad have any such proof at all of theirinventive claims.
Starjade says: 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words. Starjade says: I have already give a link to a statement made by the Christian Minister iris on the beliefs of Christians and the claims of Jesus and as every Muslim knows now the Prophet Jesus has proclaimed himself as being is the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 long awaited prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up which is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews.
Starjade says: However the writers of the Koran and Muhammad himself did not know who it was that Jesus was proclaiming himself as being 1000 years approx before Muhammad was born. Which is why they made 11 Chapters of errors and more in the Koran glorifying Jesus as being that very specific Prophet that Jesus was claiming himself as being.
Starjade says: The Koran glorifies Muhammad as being that long awaited Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is the reason why Muslims call Muhammad the Prophet to the Nation.
Starjade says: The Koran is glorifying two false Prophets as being the very same specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. Adding even more lists of errors that are found in the Koran that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend.
Starjade says: The Islamic solution to this problem of course is kill off the opposition rather than face the reality of the Sura 4:82 challenge which does establish outright that the Koran did not come from God despite some who claimed it to be. The proof that the Koran did not come from God is undisputable and I really will be highly entertained when ever some Muslims dare to try dipute those facts.
Starjade says: The Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet not two.
Starjade says: I remind you at this Time kayyam that I was taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts who like me were also aware of the claims of other religions as well. They were true religious scholars. I have had many deep and long and teeth gnashing debates with many Muslims all around the world over these issues and they were experts on the Islamic religion and not one of them could defend the claims of Muhammad or Jesus or the 11 Chapters of the Koran that glorified Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus clearly has claimed himself as being.
Starjade says: You have no hope of defending those 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran from my Revelations no matter what you brag. I will have heard everything you were going to think long before you even thought to think it many times in the past before. So go tap your Imams on their shoulders and ask them to give you some help. They cannot help but it will place some of the burden on their shoulders so you will not lose face when you bite the Dust. Go fetch all your Islamic scholars after all of you are defending the Koran against the living Gods Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjades Revelations and so you can be sure that you will all bite the dust.
Starjade says: 11 Chapters of the Koran is a whole lot of errors and discrepancies existing in the Koran. None of which you could defend. So wasting Time arguing over a name is feeble in comparison after all that was just one error in the Koran whiles 11 Chapters of errors is a staggering amount of deceptive text that cannot be defended no matter what you Muslims claim and think. And do not pretend that you cannot see what is wrong with Muhammad believing in Jesus and 11 Chapters of the Koran believing in Jesus when the Prophet both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves as being is the very same Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.
Starjade says: Those claims I add that stand against the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 which is a law that was brought down by Moses from the Living God himself. Therefore that law is the actual word of the living God.
Starjade says: So either way no matter what you argue against in this or that name of this or that. The Koran still is full of errors that no Muslim on this Planet can give an account for. Sura 4:82. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancies therein.
Starjade says: The thing is the Koran has been studied and many errors and discrepancies do exist within its text proving that the Koran could not have come from the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Starjade says: I just bet that those Muslims who goaded me to challenge Islam with my God given revelations regret making that challenge and then shirking away and by deceptions when Islam and the Koran and the claims of Muhammad bit the dust. But the deed is done and nobody goads me to make challenges and then shirks away. I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and look at how powerless you all are against my God given revelations.
Starjade says: I may have to invent a new religion for you all to follow so you are no longer following false Prophets and worshipping false Gods. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Easy as that would be for me to do it is a chore after all I only wanted to warn people of a worldwide apocalypse of earthquakes that will soon be upon this planet and move you all out from the four corners of the globe to safety. It seems a Saviors Job is never done. Still it is from Souls like me that legends and religions are born. Not that any of you would comprehend such things at this point in Time and my Time here on this earth is so very short. ______________
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