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06 March 2006 at 1:02pm
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Hi
scruggnut
I
find you and Starjade interesting, but Starjade is as true a prophet
as Muhammad. Do you get it?
I
find myth and legend interesting, but not worthy of any belief. This
is also true with respect false god(s) such as the mythical middle eastern
Moon god, "Allah/Hubal al�iah/Baal," which I exposed in a
previous post. So you and the others need to get a dose of reality.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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06 March 2006 at 1:12pm
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AA
The above is so laughable. Baal is denounced as a false god in
the Quran when talking about the Prophet Elijah in Surah 37:
123.
So also was Elijah among those sent (by Us).
124.
Behold, he said to his people, "Will ye not fear ((Allah))?
125. "Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best
of Creators,-
126. "Allah, your Lord and Cherisher and the Lord
and Cherisher of your fathers of old?"
127.
But they rejected him, and they will certainly be called up (for punishment),-
128.
Except the sincere and devoted Servants of Allah (among them).
129.
And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later
times:
130.
"Peace and salutation to such as Elijah!"
131.
Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
132.
For he was one of our believing Servants.
Glory
be to Allah, see how He exposes the fraudsters like iris89 by thier
own words!
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06 March 2006 at 1:22pm
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Hi
Jermin savory and hamayoun
Jermin savory said,
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Why
is it that non-muslims think that they can come
on whyislam's forum with false information (forcing
it down our throats) and thinking we are going to
fall victim to it?
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First, I am not coming on here with false information but detailed well
buttressed facts. I am an independent researcher and am beholden to
no one, only the truth. What I post is the truth and per John 8:32,
"and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
(American Standard Version; ASV).
Second, I am not forcing anything down anyone�s throat, but simply presenting
the truth. Smart ones will realize that it is the truth and make the
necessary changes; to wit, to become genuine (true) Christians and NOT
apostate (counterfeit) Christians. Now what is the difference you may
ask, and here it is:
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Most
religions of the world take a two part single path
as they have some good and some bad. However, so
called Christianity did NOT follow in the mold of
other religions such as the Hindus, Islam, Buddhists,
Zoroastrians, etc. Instead, so called Christianity
took two different paths. These two paths are as
follows:
[1] In 325 AD the greater part of the so called
Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor
of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered
Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went
on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of
Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning
of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with
them including one Bruno for simply saying that
the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they
said the sun revolved around the earth.
[2] A second and much smaller group of Christians
that remained genuine Christians and did NOT go
apostate, but followed in the footsteps of Christ
their leader and savior. These did NOT commit any
atrocities.
Thus, as can be readily seen, Christianity did not
take the same path as most other religions that
of having some good and some bad, but instead had
a bad large group, and a much smaller good group.
The colonial powers, however, brought the bad group
to India, Pakistan, the New World [most of South
America and North America], and many of the islands
of the sea; and they went on committing atrocities
in all of these places. This was because the apostate
Christians were actually doing Satan the Devils'
work per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god
of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel
of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine
unto them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV);
and John 5:19, "And we know that we are of
God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness."
(AV).[source -
Discourse on the Two Paths of So Called Christianity
- The Genuine and the Counterfeit by Iris the Preacher
2005 � full article can be viewed at
http://preacher.proboards7.com/index.cgi?action=display&
board=general&thread=1140448273&page=1 ]
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Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 1:32pm
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Hi
pumpkin
You said,
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Starjade,
It won't matter if you can prove the koran said
the sun is green, muslims will believe what muslims
believe. They will interpret the koran in a way
that will fit their views on life. If the koran
was a simple document it would be defeated in any
logic based court in the world, but its not. Its
a document thqat is written in a way that can be
interpreted any way one wants. That is why you have
so many sects, that is why shia and sunni are killing
each other. If there was only one way to interpret
it, there would be no sects and no fighting between
muslims. In any case Starjade- you can probably
prove what ypou are saying to scintifically based
thinkers, but you will never prove it here. Its
like the old saying, The moon only exists when you
look at it, it dissapears whenever you don't, but
you will never know that because your perception
is that it is always there. Islam is like that-
it exists because it is always there when muslims
look for it, hey only see what they are used to
seeing.
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First, You overlook the fact that the Quran is nothing but a distorted
Bible knockoff like others.
Second, You are obviously ignorant of the fact that the Bible is NOT
the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual
writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts
of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries
today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words
one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in
his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what
people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most
often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack
of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language
and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable,
is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when
even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track
or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the
original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so
great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding
force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their
own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
To
wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write
as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his
thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the
words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called
religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord
with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph
Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to
give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things
into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings
of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas;
and the Quran, etc.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 1:32pm
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AA Iris, instead of long
irrevlant discourses, please reply to what I said about Baal.
If you cannot back up what you said, YOU are the one who will have been
proven to be false. The passage I quite from the Quran makes it
abundantly clear that Baal is not the same as Allah.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 1:39pm
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Hi
hamayoun
Your comment,
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The
above is so laughable. Baal is denounced as a false
god in the Quran when talking about the Prophet
Elijah in Surah 37:
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Now go look at the facts in my post on "Who Really Is 'Allah' The
Supreme God Of The Makkans [Residents of Ancient Mecca]."
Of
course that is the oldest con in the book, denounce what you really
are to hide the facts.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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06 March 2006 at 1:42pm
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You guys love to prove
each others beliefs as false, or misguided. I get a huge kick
out of it. Thanks. If I weren't so sick right now, I would
stick around and have some fun.
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06 March 2006 at 1:49pm
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iris89 wrote:
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Hi hamayoun
Your comment,
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The
above is so laughable. Baal
is denounced as a false god
in the Quran when talking about
the Prophet Elijah in Surah
37:
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Now go look at the facts in my post on "Who
Really Is 'Allah' The Supreme God Of The Makkans
[Residents of Ancient Mecca]."
Of course that is the oldest con in the book, denounce
what you really are to hide the facts.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Oh I seeeee. So when the Quran says that Allah is not the same
as Baal, its a lie? But when the Quran says Allah is not the same
as Jesus, then what? What a pathetic answer, you are really useless
at this stuff. Why not take up fly fishing?
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 1:50pm
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scruggnut wrote:
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You
guys love to prove each others beliefs as false,
or misguided. I get a huge kick out of it.
Thanks. If I weren't so sick right now, I
would stick around and have some fun.
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I'm not tyring to prove anything, I am simply pointing out the errors
made by iris89 in her trying to prove that Allah is the same as Baal.
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Posted:
06 March 2006 at 1:54pm
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Hi
hamayoun
Your comment,
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Iris,
instead of long irrevlant discourses, please reply
to what I said about Baal. If you cannot back up
what you said, YOU are the one who will have been
proven to be false. The passage I quite from the
Quran makes it abundantly clear that Baal is not
the same as Allah.
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First, I have already answered you. You have just shown that you did
NOT even bother to read the facts that I had given in my previously
posted article, "Who Really Is 'Allah' The Supreme God Of The Makkans
[Residents of Ancient Mecca]," yet you are already to make false
accusations. That is wrong on your part.
Second, here is partial proof from my article,
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And,
""Khuza 'ah thus shared the guilt of Jurhum.
They were also to blame in other respects: a chieftain
of theirs, on his way back from a journey to SYRIA,
had asked the MOABITES to give him ONE OF THEIR
IDOLS. They gave him HUBAL, which he brought back
to the Sanctuary, setting it up within the Ka'bah
itself; and it became THE CHIEF IDOL OF MECCA."
[Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources,
Inner Traditions International, LTD. One Park Street,
Rochestor Vermont 05767, 1983, p. 5].
And this Hubel or Allah the Moon god is indicated
to be known by others as the Biblically condemned
god, 'Baal.' Commenting on 'Abd al-Muttalib's rediscovery
of the well of Zamzam and its treasures, Lings writes:
"... So 'Abd al-Muttalib continued to dig without
any actual move being made to stop him; and some
of the people were already leaving the sanctuary
when suddenly he struck the well's stone covering
and uttered a cry of thanksgiving to God. The crowd
reassembled and increased; and when he began to
dig out the treasure which Jurhum had buried there,
everyone claimed the right to share in it. 'Abd
al-Muttalib agreed that lots should be cast for
each object, as to whether it should be kept in
the sanctuary or go to him personally or be divided
amongst the tribe. This had become the recognised
way of deciding an issue of doubt, and it was done
by means of divining arrows inside the Ka'bah, in
front of THE MOABITE IDOL HUBAL ..." (Lings,
p. 11; bold and capital emphasis ours)
'Amr then asked them to give him an idol he could
take to Arab lands where it could be worshipped,
and they gave him one named Hubal. This he brought
to Mecca and set on a pedestal and ordered the people
to worship and venerate it. (The Life of the Prophet
Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume I, translated
by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr.
Ahmed Fareed" [Garnet Publishing Limited, 8
Southern Court, south Street Reading RG1 4QS, UK;
The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization,
1998], p. 42]
Interestingly, Ibn Kathir shows that the god of
Muhammad's family was Hubal, and that his grandfather
even prayed to Allah by facing Hubal's idol! Ibn
Ishaq stated, "It is claimed that when 'Abd
al-Mutallib received such opposition from Quraysh
over the digging of zamzam, he vowed that if ten
sons were born to him who grew up and protected
him, he would sacrifice one of them for God at the
ka'ba."[source - , "Who Really Is 'Allah'
The Supreme God Of The Makkans [Residents of Ancient
Mecca]," by Iris the Preacher 2006, previously
posted in its entirety]
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Third, I do not like being falsely accused, and that by someone who
apparently did NOT even read my article and/or read it with �mental
blinders� on.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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06 March 2006 at 2:05pm
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Hi
Everyone
I
have been posting on this forum for less than three hours, but I have
been falsely accused of telling untruths by someone who did NOT apparently
even read my post in which I clearly presented the evidence for all
I have said. I do NOT make opinionated rants as most do,
but present the facts gathered from renown historical writers, encyclopedias,
and archaeology, NOT my own opinions. This making of false
accusations against me for digging out the facts is definitely uncivil
and NOT warranted.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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06 March 2006 at 2:05pm
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by
Iris the Preacher. lol. You have posted numerous articles that don't
even come close to answering questions asked of you.
Muhammad never bowed down before an idol, nor told anyone to do so.
Trying to claim that Allah is a moon god is utter nonsense.
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06 March 2006 at 2:07pm
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AA This is more and more
laughable. Iris, were you not aware that when Muhammed conquered
Makaah, he destroyed with his own hands each and every one of the idols
in the Kabbah? So Muhammed(SAW) told his followers to worship
something he destroyed? Your scholarship is really pathetic.
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06 March 2006 at 2:10pm
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I don't have a copy
of that book handy, but I'm pretty sure that page 11 is before Muhammad's
first revelation, and probably before he was born. You have no evidence
that Muhammad worshipped idols--only that they were worshipped before
him. Muslims already knew that.
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