Starjade, since you're a time-traveller, space alien, you have no problem getting somewhere fast, right? 

Why don't you joint me for coffee right now.  Yes, now.  I'm sure since you're connected to God and all, you know where I live.  Or, should I give you my addy?  Anyway, come over now.  Coffee, tea, hot chocolate, or just for a chat.  Come on.  Now.

Stargate, just clarify something for me. Do you consider yourself to be God?

She's the doomsday prophet....not god.  See, i'm learning, starjade....there's hope for me yet.  Well, maybe not.  Ahhh, what do I know anyway.

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[QUOTE=loommmool]starjade: man do you know arabic ??? did you studied the original Quraan (not the translation)?

Starjade says:   Not the old Aerabic read only ploy. The Koran is not written in complete Arabic.  The Koran does contain words that are foriegn do this brag of yours goes no place.  I do know some Arabic.  Like kuffar (one who hides the truth)  Oh and i prefer my way of spelling OK. 

Muslims believe that the Arabic language is the language of Allah. They also believe that the Qur'an, because it is perfect, is the exact representation of Allah's words. For that reason only the Arabic Qur'an can be considered as authoritative. It, therefore, follows that those who do not know Arabic are still required to read and memorize the Qur'an in the Arabic language, as translations can never replace the language of Allah. Yet, is the Qur'an the Arabic document which Muslims claim it to be?

The answer is unequivocally "NO!" There are many foreign words or phrases which are employed in the Qur'an, some of which have no Arabic equivalent, and others which do.

Arthur Jeffrey, in his book Foreign Vocabulary of the [Koran], has gathered some 300 pages dealing with foreign words in the Qur'an, many of which must have been used in pre-Qur'anic Arabic, but quite a number also which must have been used little or not at all before they were included in the Qur'an. One must wonder why these words were borrowed, as it puts doubt on whether "Allah's language" is sufficient enough to explain and reveal all that Allah had intended. Some of the foreign words include:

a. Pharaoh: an Egyptian word which means king or potentate, which is repeated in the Qur'an 84 times.

b. Adam and Eden: Accadian words which are repeated 24 times. A more correct term for "Adam" in Arabic would be basharan or insan, meaning "mankind." "Eden" would be the word janna in Arabic, which means "garden."

c. Abraham (sometimes recorded as Ibrahim): comes from the Assyrian language. The correct Arabic equivalent would be Abu Raheem.

d. Persian words

i. Haroot and Maroot are Persian names for angels.

ii. Sirat meaning "the path" has the Arabic equivalent, Altareeq.

iii. Hoor meaning "disciple" has the Arabic equivalent, Tilmeeth.

iv. Jinn meaning "good or evil demons" has the Arabic equivalent, Ruh. v.Firdaus meaning "the highest or seventh heaven" has the Arabic equivalent, Jannah.

e. Syriac words: Taboot, Taghouth, Zakat, Malakout are all Syriac words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.

f. Hebrew words: Heber, Sakinah, Maoon, Taurat, Jehannim, Tufan (deluge) are all Hebrew words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.

g. Greek words: Injil, which means "gospel" was borrowed, yet it has the Arabic equivalent, Bisharah. Iblis is not Arabic, but a corruption of the Greek word Diabolos.

Injil or more phonetically in English, 'Ingeel' is properly spelled in Greek as "eyangelion" from which we have in English the more rare form "evangel" meaning "Good News" (archaic: Good Spell) = Gospel. And the transliteration "injil" or "ingeel" is basically a little distorted spelling from the original Greek word.

h. Christian Aramaic: Qiyama is the Aramaic word for resurrection.

i. Christian Ethiopic: Malak (2:33) is the Ethiopic word for angel.

Starjade concludes:  So then whats the brag about Arabic all about eh.  The Islamic experts who taught me all about islam spoke Arabic very well and read arabic and they quoted from Arabic Korans.  Does the Sura 4:82 change then for your convenience or is Islam still up a creek without a Paddle.

Oh and do you want the speech of the many varying and differently worded Korans that are still in use today or do you know all about the different Korans.  If you do not then I must know more than you.

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Deuteronomy CH 19; 15

"One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established"

Starjade,

You quote above as proof. You interpret it to mean that if you can find three people to agree with you then it is truth?

I disagree. I read it to mean that if there are more than one witness then there is a case to be heard.

The subsequent verses appear to confirm.

16: If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;

17: Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;

18: And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;

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Um, so you're NOT coming over for coffee?

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loommmool you said:  Actually, I checked the Quraan and the Verses that he gave..

the verses didn't say that Pharaoh's wife cached the baby from the river.. it says (Family of Pharaoh) chached the baby.. so it is not important in the quraan who chached the baby..

and also the next verse says that Pharaoh's wife standed against killing the baby, she said mybe he is going to benefit them or they can adopt him..

so pharaoh's wife stopped killing the baby.. and that was the most important part.. 

what is the problem here????? i don't know..

Starjade says:  I also have the Koranic quoter someplace and it went deeper into its tale then you.  The point was  Its says it is the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses as you have just admitted and yet according to Egyptian History Nefure Hatshepsut who was that woman who adopted Moses was not married at that Time.  Hence the koran is in error. 

loommmool you said:  i know you are going to say the quraan mentioned that Pharaoh's wife wanted to adopt the baby.. and maybe she did.. but it is not important who did.. the most important in the Quraan that the baby growed in Pharaoh's family..

Starjade scoffs:  No the inmportant thing is the woman who adopted Moses was not married and not to any Pharoah as you yourself have admitted. 

loommmool you said:  look ......... what if the doughter realy cached the baby, but she couldn't save the baby from the guardians of pharaoh and then the wife told the doughter that she had the power to save him. but, the doughter must give up the baby first.. it will make since also .. because the wife wanted the baby as well..OR she wanted to share the baby with the doughter as well..

Starjade says:  Where is this daughter thing coming into it.  The woman who adopted Moses had no children at that time.  She was not married and it was her father who was the pharoah and he was only a co regent pharoah. 

loommmool you said:  for the doughter to be famous that days.. doesn't mean also she is the one who adopted the baby...don't play with possibelities...

Starjade says:  The woman who adopted Moses is the Most famous woman in history of egypt and she went on to becoming a female pharoah which was unprecidented.  Everyone knows it was Nefure Hatshepsut who adopted Moses and she was the daughter of the co regent pharoah not his wife.  So the Koran is in error.

loommmool you said:  and i want to tell you something....I KNOW 100% THAT THE QURAN IS RIGHT ... and EVERYBODY IS WRONG..

Starjade says:  Well you just proved the Koran is in error by your own words that stand against Egyptian history. The Sura 4:82 of the Koran states the Koran did not come from God and so you are arguing against the words of the koran. 

loommmool you said:  TO ME HISTORY IS A LIE.. PEOPLE's STATMENT IS A LIE AS WELL IF THEY STAYED AGAINST WHAT ALLAH SAID.

Starjade says:  As you know Allah is a pagan moon God and I do not think the moon was having chats and so in truth it is what Muhammad or someone else said.  Now Hubal al'ilah a pagan moon god. 

loommmool you said:  GIVE ME A RELEAGION OR A WAY OF LIFE GIVES THE CREATER AS ISLAM GIVEs HIM (FROM HIS RIGHTS ON US AS CREATION)>> THEN I WELL CHANGE MY MIND.

Starjade says:  Well according to islamic law you have no choice but to reject the Koran and the words of Muhammad and convert.  I somehow do not think Muslims would make good buddhists.

loommmool you said:  don't talk about history.. because history in islam shows a lot of things against your books.. go back to SALMAN AL FARISY story.. and jwish stories in arabia especially in AL MADINA which was called YATHRIB..

Starjade says:  I have no interest in peoples story I went instead for egytian history as it contains facts and not somebodies tall tales of manipulation.

loommmool you said:  I believe these history more.. and Quraan much much more..

Starjade says:  isnt islam the history of Muslims ?  Well it is in error.  So take notes

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I don't think so....and I don't think that she's going to give me genital herpes either.

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Starjade,

go read the book, introduction to the sciences of Qur'an. It answers what you have just written above.

UmZ

in relation to the language used in the Qur'an. Not your post to loommool.

its by abu ammar yasir qadhi.

Look lady, if you don't come right now for coffee, I'm gonna use that as proof that you are not an alien, not connected to God, not a prophet, and full of kaka.  You're the one claiming you're a time traveller, why don't you prove it?  You can see the future?

What is going to happen to the US this year?  When will 'the Big One' hit California?  What's going to happen to TomKat?  What about Brad and Angie? 

Come on, you're not proving anything you say about yourself.  If you expect us to believe you are a time-travelling, part of God alien, you better be ready to back it up!

*switching back to Grown Up mode now*

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You would figure that someone with the power that starjade claims to have, would never have to go offline.  I know it must be busy saving souls, or dooming them; i'm not sure what business she is in, actually; it seems to me that she may be in both businesses; but surely you're in tight with the man above, and he can arrange for you to be online for as long as it takes.  What if i wanted to be saved, right now.  Not tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow....but today.  Right this minute.  Am I supposed to wait for my salvation?  What if the devil creeps in, and he gets me, not for a lack of wanting to be saved; but simply because you had to go offline to go shopping, or water your plants, or do your daily workout.

Am I doomed for all of eternity because you had a date with a ten pound dumbell and a pilates instructor?

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Hey star lady... I'm the traveller here. Please don't hijack my nick

Edited by Traveller - 02 March 2006 at 9:22am

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Using Starjades own Logic(?)

Deuteronomy CH 19; 15

"One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established"

I bear witness that Starjade is raving bonkers and makes as much sence as a chocolate kettle.

Can I have three witnesses to testfy that my words are true. 

Edited by Bill2702 - 02 March 2006 at 9:29am

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