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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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Starjade
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Try page 12. Do you want some more errors that you Muslims are not able to reply to. Making week excuses does not take those many many errors in the Koran away.
You are shirking already Kayyam clearly you are a muslim. |
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Starjade says: I am the one who is eating the followers of Islam for breakfast. You are the ones shirking your replies. So you want some more errors in the Koran (sigh) there are so very many it is so hard to choose. OK here are the errors in the Koran you requested. : 1. The first established error in the Koran: concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. 2. The Qur'an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb was molded by a Samaritan (sura 20:85-87, 95-97). Yet the term 'Samaritan' was not coined until 722 B.C., which is several hundred years after the events recorded in Exodus. Thus, the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses, and therefore, could not have been responsible for molding the calf. It is interesting to notice that while Yusuf Ali attempts to change this word to "Samiri" and Pickthall to "As Samirii," Arberry in the English, and Kasimirski in the French both correctly translate it "Samaritan." Yusuf Ali, in his footnotes, "bends over backwards" to explain his choice by suggesting that the name could mean "Shemer," which denotes a stranger, or "Shomer," which means a watchman, the equivalent of "Samara" in Arabic, which he implies is close enough to the Samari he is looking for. Once again we find an awkward example of Ali attempting to twist the translation in order to get out of a difficult scenario, similar to the examples of "Periklytos," or the word "Machmad" which he uses to signify Muhammad in the Bible. The Arabic simply does not give Ali the leeway to concoct other meanings for this word. To be consistent with the Arabic he should keep his translation consistent with the text, as Arberry and Kasimirski have done. 3. In sura 18:86 it states, "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a people: We said: O Dhu al Qarnayn! Either punish them,or treat them with kindness." It is well known that only the superstitious in the age of Muhammad believed that the sun would set in a muddy spring. 4. The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it. 5. In sura 7:124 we find Pharoah admonishing his sorcerers because they believe in the superiority of Moses's power over theirs. Pharoah threatens them with cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, and then says they will all die on the cross. In the Old Testament which is the source of this data of the Magicians the magicians were never threatened with death at all it only makes those claims in the Koran. 6. Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9. Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment? 7. King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 27:16) and the speech of ants (sura 27:18-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 105:3-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 27:17). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 27:20-27). Note: According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff). 8. - In Sura 2:249 Muhammad confuses the persons of Saul (Talut) and Gideon. See: Judges 7:4-7 9. - In Sura 26:54 the Israelites were said to be "a scanty band" (small band); vastly inferior to the Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian king said to his people that the Israelites had become "more and mightier than we". Exodus 1:9 speaks of the Hebrews as multitudes. 10. - The Koran confused the sister of Moses by implication (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus 3 times. These two women actually lived about 1500 years apart. The entire Chapter 19 is devoted to Mary (Maryam) the mother of Jesus in the Qur'an. Sura 19:28, "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" Sura 66.12 calls Mary 'daughter of lmran". lmran is the Arabic form of the Hebrew Amram mentioned in Numbers 26.59 as the father of "Aaron, Moses and Miriam." The title "sister of Aaron" is given to Miriam in Exodus 15.20. Sura 3.35-36, The wife of Amram said, "My Lord, I have dedicated (the baby) in my belly to You, totally, so accept from me. You are Hearer, Omniscient."
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- How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about
the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45
speaks about angels (plural) while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth
month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called
Nazareth," Luke 1:26 13. - Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who conspired to kill all the Jews during the time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity (about 500 BC). In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught that this wicked man Haman was the prime minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh (Firon) in Moses' time (1450 BC). See Suras 28:4-6, 28:38, 29:39, 40:23-24,and 40:36-37. 14. Throughout the Qur'an--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel (2500 BC) and Pharaoh were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are also incorrectly found together. Muhammad thought these all happened at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Qur'an who did not live at the same time. See Suras 21:51-76; and 29:15-16. 15. - What about Noah's (Nuh) son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Suras 29:15 and 37:76-77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns. 16. - Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca (Muslim Sacred House). The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27) 17. - Sura 9:30 mistakenly claims that the Jews believed that Ezra was the Son of God, the Messiah, just as Christians claim for Jesus. No Jews have ever believed this. 18. - Sura 6:74, says Abraham father's name was Azar. The Bible says it was Terah (Genesis 11:27). How can Muhammad claim he verified the Torah which came first as true, yet differ with the facts in the Torah? 19. - Islam says it was Ishmael that was nearly sacrificed on the mountain rather than Isaac as both the Torah and Christian Gospels say. Islam says that Hagar was the legitimate wife (and not a concubine) of Abraham, rather than Sarah; so Ishmael was the heir of Abraham. But wait! Muhammad had already attested to the Bible and Torah as being correct. Then why these huge errors? Of note: After Muhammad's death, the Meccans (Waraquah) changed the name Isaac in Suras 2:125 and 127 for the name Ishmael and invented the story about Abraham taking Ishmael to their black rock in Mecca, so that pilgrims would continue to visit Mecca. 20. Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words" (Sura 6:115). Also see Suras 6:34, 10:64, and 50:28,29. But then Allah (or Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" (Suras 2:106, 16:101). And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices! Let us Reason. How can a divine revelation be improved upon? If divine, would it not have been perfect from the start? 21. Suras 6:34, 6:115, 10:64 and 50:28,29 clearly says to Muslims, "No change can there be in the words of Allah" and that Allah cannot alter (or abrogate) his words." So the Torah and Christian Gospels are correct, because Allah did verify this fact -- this clearly makes the Muslim Qur'an is false; because it contradicts Allah. 22. Face Mecca while praying. (Sura 2:144). Face Jerusalem while praying. Originally Muhammad instructed Muslims to face Jerusalem when praying; probably because Solomon established the practice of praying while facing Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:29, 30, 44; 2 Chronicles 6:21; Daniel 6:10). Apparently, Muhammad believed at first that God wanted him to pray facing Jerusalem and he did so for nearly 16-17 months - at least while he thought the he could convert the Jews to his religion. However, later, when the Jews rebuffed him Muhammad preferred to pray towards the Ka'ba in Mecca which, during this point in time, contained 360 idols.
Ooops did I go over the numbers of errors that exist in the Koran that
you requested. Deary me. Do you want some more.?
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Starjade
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Stop shirking the errors that exist in the Koran. The Sura 4:82
and many errors that exist in the Koran shows the Koran is presumtuous
to think it could speak in Gods name. I am just the messenger.
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Starjade says: Yes why what did I say.? My eyes are going
to pieces being in front os a computer screen all day. |
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Muhammad did climb up the mountain to kill himself because he knew he
had gone mad. perhaps something rubbed off on the muslims who
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But what a super way to speak to the
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Starjade 
Senior Member Joined: 28 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Religion: None Posts: 335 |
Come on Kayyam come on
Dr. Deen where are your answers and accounts for all these errors
existing in the Koran that is over 100 easily that I have mentioned
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Starjade says: Do take a short Time to consider them not months and moths and years. OK. I started this thread showing errors in the Koran from the first page trying reading some of them. The moderators erased it and yet I repeated the error throughout the thread. You and other Muslims shirked them apart from a few such as Dr. Deen and Lion King and some others. Still those errors exist in the Koran and no account has been given to explain that fact away. [quote] Kayyam you said; . Let me ask you this before we continue: Are these list items products of your own original research? Starjade says: These lists are of lists of errors that exist in the Koran. I can give you more at any Time. That fact also is a problem for Islam and the followers of Muhammad. The Sura 4:82 states Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. Now start giving accounts as to why those errors exist in the Koran for that is where they are found no matter what.
Is this a Shirk I see you making Kayyam after all your braggings.?
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Starjade says: (cough) (splutter) What is that what you think is a sound reply. I see that as a shirk. I researched this matter of who adopted Moses myself and I research matters very deeply and from staggering sources. I make no errors and yet the Koran certainly has. It was the daughter of the Co Regent Pharaoh who adopted Moses and he was not the main King ruler of Egypt either. The magicians were never threatened with death either and so that is only two Egyptian mystery errors found in the Koran. There are many more of that era I have not yet mentioned. I must get them all in chronological order some day. And there is a source that is established as the original source of all that data and it is called the Old Testament. So in other words Kayyam you are stuck on the very first error that I mention that is found in the Koran and are unable to reply a sound answer. Its Ok we all know these errors do exist in the Koran so it is not your fault. Kayyam you said: PS: Don't forget to answer my question about original research please. Starjade says: The Sura 4:82 challenge of the Koran does not ask me for details of research it speaks of errors that exist in the Koran and so reply to those errors and stop attempting to shirk away. I did research all these Egyptian thingies if it is of any consolation to you. But it matters not. The matter is that these errors do exist in the Koran no matter what scholar finds them after all the Koran wants people to be diligent. Now stop stalling and answer to those errors that exist in the Koran. Get a print out and those on page 12 and go find an Imam and tap him on the shoulder and ask him for his help. You will need help as I am most formidable and these errors do exist in the Koran and no Muslim on earth can dispute those facts. Your Imam is just as powerless as you are. Only he holds more of a public office than you and so he dare not face me and my God given Revelations.
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Starjade says: Be sure these errors are spread around the world. Many people know about them. Do you feel happier if they re worded the way the error is found and presented in the Koran. Do you think it alters the error found in the Koran some way. ? Right then so stop being evasive and start replying to these errors that exist in the Koran.
Kayyam you said: Starjade says: (cough) Erm I think you would be the wise to know that Muslims do fall into the traps I set sometimes you do have to be wary. You see the fact is the Old Testament is the only source of data regarding the forging of the Golden Calf. And in fact it was Aaron the brother of Moses who forged the golden calf to appease the people. That is why the Koran is in error. Not just because of its claims about Samari or the Samaritan. (Gotcha) By the
way I was not able to get online over the weekend until now. You
must show patience. I will catch up unless something befell me.
Remember I am the one who is here challenging Islam so I am not the
one who is going to run away as Islam already has bitten the Dust.
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Well at least I am sane. Oh no wait a min that isnt right
is it. 
hang on I am Starjade. 
Now you all know what the Sura 4:82 of the Koran says dont you.
Sura 4:82. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it
had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found
much discrepency therein.