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Sura 4:82 A Challenge
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silkworm
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MMM, Only a guy "On receiving end" knows good about holes, alright gay-jade, we know now what "preferences" you have in life???
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And do you snort water up your nose to flush out that Devil that obviously lives in your nose. Or is your nose stuck into other things. And do you think that there are angels living in the clouds making bonfires to create the clouds in the sky or was that just the remnants of a pipedream.
And do you believe in Jeeesus.
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silkworm 
Graduate Joined: 14 December 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Religion: Islam(Muslim) Posts: 1098 |
Star-jade, I have nothing personal against you, I may not be a staunch Moslem but I do believe in Sanity and comon sense. Getting involved in religious debates wherein both of them know that they canot nail each other, is I think a waste of time. So I save enough time to discuss other things Like Philosophy and life. I wish you all the best in life and sorry If I was rude to you, it was meant for fun rather than to disrespect you. You have a good one bro.
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be careful silkworm and others. he is the one who disrespects Allah and Prophets to all extents. he is not worth any respect at all. He is the enemy of Allah and he will certainly have it, unless he's really a psychic patient not in his senses. no siding with him in the slightest. but yes, even with our enemy we should not use filthy abuses, and such language. starjade may keep assuming we religious minded muslims have lost, after we have turned his table down. he can pinch for another 50 pages on the same questions he asks everyone and is often replied more sensibly. and now wait to see tearing up of this note and his style of attempting to killing and answering each word.
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Starjade
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Starjade says: Well now Silkworm there is no sanity claus.
I have nailed Islam good and proper. And be sure I am not wasting
my time for I have reasons and a purpose. I also am a Philosopher
and its OK I shall forgive your rudeness. I live in the Blackpool
of Lancashire so it is all water of a ducks back to me. Considering
my topical debates it is bound to cause a few feathers to be ruffled
and so I am tolerant. I did see the intent on humour. I
do not mind a bit of humour however be sure on religious matters I do
take them very seriously.
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Starjade
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Hafsa you said: be careful silkworm and others. he is the one who disrespects Allah and Prophets to all extents. he is not worth any respect at all. Starjade says: I can see you are a tad miffed Hafsa. Your Allah is not other than a pagan moon god hubal al�ilah as was already explained. Do not expect any of the living Gods Prophets to respect pagan practices of worshipping what is clearly a false god of mans imagination. In the eye of the living Gods Prophets that is an act of Blasphemy of which you show no shame. I do not need your respect. Yet I challenged the whole of Islam and Islam bit the Dust and so you should be respectful. I am only one man with the living Gods word on my side. You are many and you all bit the dust. These matters are not about respect which is really your idolization. It is about what is true against what is false. I spoke of these religious matters under Islamic law and by the Sura 4:82 challenge and so I was being respectful to all Muslims even though I need not to be for moon god worshippers are not deserving. And I paid tribute to you for your efforts and gave you that respect and so it is uncalled for you to display bad manners. Hafsa you say: He is the enemy of Allah and he will certainly have it, unless he's really a psychic patient not in his senses. no siding with him in the slightest. Starjade says: I only need the living God on my side and you all bite the Dust. So you are not as clever as you think and you cannot hide behind idolatry when you are dealing with me. I see how you Muslims work and yet be wary for I prefer conversations with many Muslims than a few so you grabbing others to join your attacks against me will fail. When it is seen you cannot defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad well what do you think that has to say about you and the pagan moon god that you worship. You cannot pretend that you do not know about hubal al�ilah now I have made you aware of those facts. Hafsa you say: but yes, even with our enemy we should not use filthy abuses, and such language. Starjade says; Well that is true but I forgive him and so should you but thank you all the same for coming to my defense. I began conversations with Christians and Muslims on some very hard core websites where flame wars were rife and they were most entertaining. The air always turned blue as each wanted to shout their points of view across. They made most entertaining reading. And I loved those flame wars and can give as good as I get. In fact I am a first born Gemini and so we Gemini�s are known to flay people to the bone with just our words. Even then I was a winner and all who came before me just bit the Dust. I silenced the Demons that walked amongst their souls. Then comes that eerie silence as they digested my words which filled them with much food for thought. Hafsa you say: starjade may keep assuming we religious minded muslims have lost, after we have turned his table down. he can pinch for another 50 pages on the same questions he asks everyone and is often replied more sensibly. Starjade says: Islam has bitten the dust and that always will be inevitable when it comes face to face with me. The Islamic law I invoke forces Muslims to reject what is not true and accept what is true. We all already know Islam is powerless against me and so you Muslims would be the wise to be very careful not to get yourselves eaten for breakfast which is obvious would happen. There is only one King of the Castle and I brought the challenge to all of you. You all bit the Dust. Now go tap your Imam on his shoulder and get a whole gaggle of Imams and dare them all to come online and face me. They dare not. They have heard of me as my reputation grows. So if they shirk this Challenge then call them Shirkers. It is the wiser to join forces with me and convert to giving worship to the one true living God the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in Deep Space or you will perish without Redemption and then you will just become Dust. Hafsa you say: and now wait to see tearing up of this note and his style of attempting to killing and answering each word. Starjade
says: I issued the challenge of the Sura 4:82 and I do reply to
your words so there is no misunderstanding. I have drawn that
line in the sand and I am not going to be the one to back off.
If you have read the Old Testament then you should know that Muslims
and Christians are not on the Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophets agenda.
But it can be proven way back in 1995 I was also planning to save you
all anyways. Stand against me and not hearkening to my words brings
about the inevitable downfall of Islam and you and your children and
your children�s children will then just become dust. Why are you
so reluctant to give worship to the one true living God. The living
God said to me you hearken. After all I am the Chosen one and
before your very eyes those false pretenders to my Throne have bitten
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Now come on all of you Muslims what is the matter with you. It appears to me as if many of you are shirking. I remind you all that I have invoked Islamic law on all the followers of Islam and that includes all of you. This Islamic law states that if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true and whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false. Now what a dilemma for you Muslims eh when faced with the Doomsday Prophets Starjades Revelations. Sura 4:82 says: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. I have pointed out that Muslims came on a forum I was writing on and goaded me yes they goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations. They bragged the brag that they would defend Islam and over 1000 Muslims awaited my arrival for that debate. Muslims challenged me with the Sura 4:82 challenge of the Koran that they claimed had existed unchallenged for 1400 years. The challenge was to find just one error in the Koran. If one error was found in the Koran then the Koran itself admits that it does not come from God as Muhammad has claimed and you Muslims claim. Of course on that very day the whole of Islam bit the dust and it appears that no Muslim can defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given Revelations. Is this why you are shirking this challenge knowing it cannot be defended. Well either way as Muslims you must obey Islamic law which forces you to reject the Koran and the words and claims of Muhammad for they are not true. The Sura 4:82 states much discrepancy and so for me to quote just one error found in the Koran is not enough and so I have named many errors that exist in the Koran which proves outright that the Koran does not come from God. The living God does not make mistakes. The God I speak about of course is the living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet. This is not the same as the pagan moon god Hubal al�ilah that you Muslims give your worship to. As the word Allah means supreme God then that must be the one true supreme Living God of Moses and of the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade. Not some pagan moon god. The living God I speak about is the Living White Sphere of Kether which lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in Deep Space. Just so you know what God I am speaking about here. Be sure there is only one Living God. Already I have named many errors found in the Koran that no Muslim on this earth has been able to dispute that exists in the Koran. Thus proving by the Sura 4:82 words of the Koran itself that the Koran did not come from the Living God of Abraham as Muhammad appears to claim. After all, face the fact that the Living God does not make mistakes. Yet the Koran and Muhammad have. I noticed that only a few of the errors that I have mentioned have been spoken about here whiles, the other errors found in the Koran are ignored because Muslims know they cannot give accounts for them. Thus those errors do exist knowingly in the Koran and by Muslims who dare not attempt to give accounts for them and I see you all prefer to simply ignore the Sura 4:82 words of the Koran. Yet Islamic law states you Muslims must reject what has been proven to be untrue. So the Koran and the claims of Muhammad have bitten the dust. I recently pointed out some of the biggest errors in the Koran which is this matter of Jesus. 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to being. And those 11 Chapters of errors exist in the Koran because Muhammad himself believed in Jesus and believed that Jesus was that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. It is clear that you Muslims are afraid to speak on those matters hence there is that Islamic sound of silence. Just so you all are sure on this point. Jesus as any Christian should be able to tell you especially their Priests proclaimed that he was that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they call Jesus the King of the Jews. That is the specific Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being. Be sure on this fact there is no doubt at all that is who Jesus is claimed as being. That Prophet to the Nation and that specific King of all the Jews. I have had many debates with Muslims attempting to dispute those proclamations made by Jesus and the Christians even though the Koran itself does glorify Jesus in 11 Chapters of the Koran as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being and Muhammad himself believed in Jesus. Those Muslims realized of course those serious errors that exist in the Koran and in the claims of Muhammad and then tried to explain them away which is an impossible task. This matter of Jesus should not have even existed in the Koran especially when one considers the proclamations of Muhammad about himself. So all these matters are known about and it is no secret. Muslims know Jesus and Muhammad are both proclaiming themselves to be the very exact same Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up even though the living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet not two. As all you Muslims who read the Koran and glorify Muhammad in your idolizations know, Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed that Jesus was that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being and yet it is clear that Muhammad and the Koran did not actually know what Prophet it was that Jesus had proclaimed himself as being. Clearly those Blaspheming Christians were always too busy yackling on about Jesus being the son of god that they did not point out which Prophet it was that Jesus was certainly proclaiming himself as being. Muhammad and his followers did not realize at that Time of course. Never the less Jesus did claim he was that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up and that is why they call Jesus the King of the Jews. That is the Prophet that Jesus is claiming himself as being. Go ask any Christian Priest and he will confirm this to you or read the statement made by Iris who is a Christian minister of over 20 years experience. Argue and debate with her yourself if you doubt me. She also writes on this forum.
Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua):
http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/jesumoses1.html But by now you just know I speak the truth to you though don�t you. You can believe in me. Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming themselves without proof or evidence to be the very same specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. However, the living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v15 does establish that long awaited Prophet could not be either Jesus or Muhammad. I name this belief in Jesus by Muhammad and I name the whole 11 chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being as being in the 11 chapters of errors found in the Koran. These are much discrepancies in the Koran as stated in the Sura 4:82 challenge. Which does establish that the Koran does not come from God? By the admission of the Koran. I challenge the whole of Islam and every Muslim walking on this Planet and I also challenge your chicken legged Imams to come forwards and attempt to give an account as to why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifies Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus has proclaimed himself as being when in fact as every Muslim knows the very specific Prophet that Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being is in fact that same Deuteronomy Ch 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up which is the reason why you Muslims claim Muhammad is that Prophet to the Nation. There are 11 Chapters 11 whole chapters of the Koran showing serious discrepancies in the Koran considering the claims of Muhammad claiming that he alone was that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up Whiles also believing Jesus is that Prophet and in 11 Chapters of the Koran that belief is recorded. How can you Muslims explain that away. I say and I know that you cannot give any reasonable explanation for those 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran. 11 Chapters of discrepancies. What is more according to the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 regarding crimes of iniquity and sin. Neither Muhammad or Jesus have any witnesses to their claims. They are self proclamations with no back up proof those claims. In fact by Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law their claims are proven to be false. That then shows that the Koran is standing against the actual word and the law of the living God. How can you account for that blasphemy? The living God only promised to raise up one Prophet to Moses. Not two. So one or both of either Muhammad or Jesus just have to be lying. That is common sense. If Jesus was lying then why does Muhammad believe in Jesus and why does 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. And why would Muhammad then proclaim himself as being that Prophet to the Nation whiles he believed Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself as being. That is a serious problem for the claims of Islam and the Koran and Muhammad. You cannot account for those serious errors that exist in the Koran and in the claims of Muhammad and if you think you can then by all means at least try. Yet we can all see there is a shirk regarding these errors found in the Koran about Jesus and the claims of Muhammad. The fact is there are very serious errors in those 11 Chapters of the Koran and in fact the whole Koran when you consider that Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being that Prophet that living God promised Moses he would raise up which is the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being. Each time the Koran makes those claims about Muhammad it is standing against the laws of the living God of Abraham and of Moses. Tsk tsk tsk. Do you Muslims think these matters would be overlooked? Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. Clearly the Koran is full of errors making proclamations about Muhammad and Jesus as if they are Prophets from God. Muhammad claimed himself to being the very same Prophet of Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 that Jesus was proclaiming himself as being. Clearly that is a very big mistake. Too bad for you Muslims that the writers of the Koran did not consider the Koran with any care or the claims of Jesus and Muhammad as the Koran promotes them both as being the very same Deuteronomy prophet. For they both claim that they are that specific Deuteronomy Ch 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Which shows the Koran is riddled throughout with errors within its text and with its beliefs and proclamations as clear evidence that the Koran does not come from God. Now the only genuine proven by Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade issues challenges to the whole of Islam and all of its followers and all of your Imams to come forwards with your accounts as to why those many discrepancies exist in the Koran. Are you too afraid to explain away why Muhammad believes in Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus has claimed himself as being whiles then proclaiming himself as being that prophet instead. How can you even hope to account for that discrepancy? Bearing in mind all the Time the Islamic law I have invoked on everyone says you must accept what is true and reject what is not true. Go tap your Imams on their shoulders and demand they answer to this challenge and call them shirkers if they refuse. There are errors found in the Koran and I name this belief in Jesus by Muhammad as being a serious error and I name all the 11 Chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus as being that prophet Jesus claimed himself as being as more errors and discrepancies existing in the Koran. So instead of shirking away unable to reply you should dare a reply. The Islamic law I have invoked states that you must reject what is proven to not be true. What kind of Muslims are you then. ? misguided ones I say. Sura 4:82 states do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. 11 Chapters of the Koran is a great deal of discrepancies and that causes the Koran to bite the Dust. With the Koran established as not coming from God then all the claims of Muhammad are proven to be false. The Koran admits it does not come from God and that makes Muhammad a liar and a fraud. A false pretender to my Throne just as Jesus is. So why hide away shirking eh burying your heads in the sand. Do you not consider the Koran with care. Well then it has come from any other than Allah and more than 11 Chapters of the Koran show great discrepancies therein. No Muslim on this planet can give a sensible account for these discrepancies because they are serious errors in the Koran as Muslims well know. Burying your head in the sand does not make these Revelations go away instead it shows a reflection of Islam that is not seen in a good light. |
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Starjade says: There are no errors in my research. Hatshepsut
was her name and Maatkare and Nefure. That is already three so
in the beginnings you make the errors. She had other names also
with variations on Nefure. Either way no matter for it was the
daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 who adopted Moses and no matter what
you call her or what anyone else calls her she is still the one who
adopted Moses and she was not married at that Time which exposes the
fact that she was not the wife of any Pharaoh as the Koran claims.
So the Koran is in error the error that I had mentioned.
Starjade says: It is you who is slithering away from the fact that no matter what name is used for Nefure Hatshepsut she was still the daughter of Thutmoses 1 and she adopted Moses and she was not married at that Time making the error that is found in the Koran. In fact you are avoiding that fact altogether. None of your links even mention Moses. And many websites quote allsorts of wrong data that you seem to happily collect.
The debate was on who adopted Moses. The daughter of the wife. Egyptian history shows it was the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose 1 not his wife. His daughter Nefure Hatshepsut was not married to any Pharaoh at that Time and So the Koran is in error. Whiles the Old Testament is proven to be genuine in its data.
The Koran is in error making the false claim that it was the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses. It was not in fact it was the daughter of the Pharaoh just Old Testament claimed. And by the way wake up Kayyam. You have been sifting through Egyptian history recently just as I once did and the name Ma'at-ka-Ra - is a common name which I clearly would not have missed. Could you really think I would not have heard of that name also hahaha In fact I did give you links where I started my researching which was originated from your mentioned Caroline Seawright as given to me in the beginnings by a Muslim.
http://www.touregypt.net/historicalessays/hatshepsut.htm
I have always known of Nefure Hatshepsut by that name Ma'at-ka-Ra but wanted to give the dogs a bone to gnaw upon. I researched on further than that because I saw discrepancies in her text. People have many names for Hatshepsut. How could you think I would not have known that name.
However the matter is not in a name of the persona who adopted Moses but in the fact that the Koran claims that she Hatshepsut the daughter of Thutmoses 1 who clearly was the one who adopted Moses was in fact the wife of the Pharaoh. Whereas as you well know that just is not true is it.? Hatshepsut was not married at the Time she adopted Moses. Her own father was the Pharaoh but was only a co. Regent until Pharaoh Ahmose died. Hatshepsut had already adopted Moses whiles her father was co regent Pharaoh. It was only after Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt that Nefure Hatshepsut Ma'at-ka-Ra became married.
These facts show that the Koran is in error. The Koran made the error of saying it was the wife of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses when that could not be true. So there is no error in my words. I did give you some links and was not diligent as they led you to the more knowledgeable Wyatt who knows far more data than stupid Caroline Seawright. Wyatt is a true archaeologist whereas your Caroline Seawright. Hardly a mistake causing the world to end eh.
But apart from that I am right. It was the daughter of the Pharaoh who adopted Moses and it is not the wife as the Koran claimed and so the Koran is the book that has that error in its pages misguided the congregations.
Oh and Kayyam you are shirking this matter of the belief that Muhammad had in Jesus and how Muhammad believed Jesus to be the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being. You are shirking the fact that 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus and believe Jesus was (cough) the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being.
Jesus claimed that he was the Deuteronomy Ch 18 verses 15./18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is why they call Jesus the king of the Jews. Erm Which (tee hee) Prophet was it again that Muhammad then proclaims himself to being Erm which Prophet is it that the whole of the Koran proclaims Muhammad to being eh.? I can understand why Muslims want to shirk away from that serious 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran but surely you have some explanation to those many many many errors that are clearly seen to exist in the Koran.
And no yackle about Egyptian adoptions is going to allow you an escape from those many errors that exist in the Koran in fact more than 11 Chapters worth of errors existing in the Koran. But nice try though. I can see why you have appeared and whiles you yackle on about Egyptian mummies Islam is biting the Dust. Muslims are shirking. They have no explanation as to why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. No Muslim on earth can get out of that 11 Chapters of serious errors found in the Koran. Did it just not occur to the followers of Islam as to why they called Jesus the King of the Jews. That Prophet to the Nation.
(cough) Erm which Prophet was it Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being without any witnesses to back up his claims huh? Oh that is right Muhammad claims he is the very Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet the same Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being 1000 years before Muhammad was even born tsk tsk tsk.
Muhammad believed Jesus was that Prophet that Jesus claimed himself as being. 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being that Prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Yet Jesus claimed he was that Prophet of Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That specific Prophet to the Nation.
Muhammad who believed in Jesus then proclaims that he alone is that Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. That Prophet to the Nation. Now come along Kayyam nice attempt at misdirection but that is a serious mistake made by Muhammad and the Koran which makes the adoption of Moses almost irrelevant. 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus and all because Muhammad believed in Jesus and believed that Jesus was the prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself to being. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. What a calamity. That is more than 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran.
You are not going to be able to excuse your way out of that. Best grab a Camel run the shirkers shirk to the desert and bury your head deep in the sand. Whiles thinking of these words which offer little comfort. Sura 4:82 Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. The Challenge of the Koran has hath Starjade saying Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb and Islam bites the dust.
Now come
along Kayyam what have you got to say about that.
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Yo Silkworm You must hover around just to get your name at the
top of the page. You missed a few though. I note you do
not enter into the religious debates. So I must figure that you
are not religiously minded. Never mind though these Muslims are
lost as well and they think they are religiously minded. 
The Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade is waiting. 
Go bring me some Imams so I can have my breakfast.