TUESDAY,
APRIL 8, 2003
LA
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KAK:
I
pay attention to this pluralism of traditions. I situate my
actions in the context of the [current] times. My
grandfather
gave, and
I have myself
given, a certain
interpretation
to Shiism. The intellect
is seen as a facet of faith, in the service of faith.
Reason, reflection, form part of the process of decision making.
This reflection is wished, is necessary in the interpretation
of religion. This is one of the elements which has made it
possible for the Ismaili Community to respond to the problems of
[the modern world].
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The
Imam of the Shia Ismailis Prince
Karim Aga Khan IV
is the Spiritual Leader (Imam) of the Shia Ismaili Muslims. At 20, in 1957,
he succeeded his grandfather, the Aga Khan III. Born in Switzerland, living
in France, 49th generation descendant of Prophet Muhammad, Karim Aga Khan
completed his studies at Harvard University in America.
[emphasis added, navali]
Islam
is for muslims *al--Haqq — the
Truth*
bismillaahir rahmaanir
rahiim
in the name of allah, rahman,
rahim
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Wa Qawlihim 'Innā
Qatalnā Al-Masīĥa `Īsaá Abna Maryama Rasūla
Allāhi Wa Mā
Qatalūhu Wa Mā Şalabūhu Wa Lakin Shubbiha Lahum
Wa 'Inna Al-Ladhīna Akhtalafū Fīhi Lafī Shakkin
Minhu Mā Lahum Bihi Min `Ilmin 'Illā Attibā`a Až-Žanni Wa
Mā Qatalūhu Yaqīnāan (4:157).
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And because of
their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger
- they
slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them;
and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have
no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture;
they slew him not for certain.
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Bal Rafa`ahu
Allāhu 'Ilayhi Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzāan Ĥakīmāan
(4:158).
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But Allah took
him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
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please refer to the
following articles - [zohurul
hoque_multifaceted claim_iii;
zohurul
hoque_multifaceted claim_iv; jesus_xruci_FICTion;
bible_jesus_x_fiction;
bible_jesus_x_fiction_ii];
wherein i have addressed the above at great
length.
in the current exercise, we will insha'allah look at the
issue at
hand, mainly from a christian perspective and sources only, leaving aside all
sectarian and fancy interpretations put forth by some of the most enthusiastic
anti-islam christian
institutions of
higher
learning, [Friends
of Israel; Jerry
Fallwell ; Pat
Robertson Althea
Bishard - ; Rebecca
Morgan] church leaders
[self-proclaimed
jackass]; and their followers,
etc.
HOW,
WHEN AND WHERE WAS
JESUS
PUT TO
[i]. DEATH
AND
[ii]. HANGED
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOD'S PRECISE COMMAND?
Deuteronomy
21:22 (KJVSL) ....
and he be to be put to
[i]. DEATH <muwth>,
_A_N_D_ thou
[ii]. HANGED <talah> <8518>
him on a tree <`ets>:
Deuteronomy
21:23 (KJVSL) ... (for he that is [ii].
HANGEDED <talah>
<8518> is accursed <q@lalah> of
God <'elohiym>;)
2-two
separate acts were REQUIRED
to follow
one AFTER the other
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first slaying him i.e.,
punishment for the living
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and
then suspending him i.e., ignominy for the dead
NOW IF, the
lord god's precise command & the mosaic law and prophecy were FULFILLED
in the christ jesus, son of mary [pbuth] then :
HOW,
WHEN AND WHERE WAS
JESUS
PUT TO
[i]. DEATH
AND
[ii]. HANGED
i.
that said, how did jesus die?
ii. how many times did he die, if more than once?
iii. in how many places did he die, if more than one?
salaamun alaykum, š³lôm, peace, peace be upon you and ya ali madad
rest assured, if there was one thing that
had divided the jewish, the christian
and the muslim worlds right in the
middle for all these centuries past, it was jesus' unfathomable
divinity/trinity and the above controversy.
question
where was jesus crucified?
in the great
city of babylon?
in the great city of sodom?
in
the great <megas> city
<polis> of EGYPT?
jerusalem?
QUMRAN?
or
rome?
quagmire
'the verse luke 13:33; the epistle to the hebrews 5:6-9; 13:11-13' and 'the
revelation 11:8, of jesus christ to st. john' combined have been seen as the
bible's GREATEST 'INTERNAL' obstacle which had, for the
most part, plagued and divided the christian world since its infancy.
your multiple choice answer
'without <exo> the camp <parembole>'
Hebrews 13:11 (KJVSL) For
the bodies of those beasts <zoon>, whose
blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin are burned
without <exo> the camp <parembole>.
Hebrews 13:12 (KJVSL) Wherefore
Jesus <Iesous> also <kai>, that
he might sanctify the people with his own blood suffered without <exo> the gate <pule>.
Hebrews 13:13 (KJVSL) Let us go forth therefore unto <pros> him <autos>
without <exo> the camp <parembole>, bearing
his reproach.
Heb 13:13
Verse 13. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the
camp. As if we were going forth with him when he was led away to be crucified.
.....
Heb 13:13. His reproach. The sending of the condemned
beyond the gates of a city for execution, was considered as a token of additional reproach and in
the christian pilgrimage: scriptural fact or 
fiction
please
note that the writer of this epistle and the early christians did not go to an
'EMPTY and/or an UNKNOWN' tomb of christ - because there was 'NONE' in
existence, in spite of what the 4 gospels have maintained in this regard.
rather, they went 'unto
him without <exo> the camp <parembole>,
bearing his reproach.'
therefore, where was 'jesus crucified and killed,' according to the above
epistle only? it must be noted further that this epistle was written well over
1--one century AFTER jesus' worldly mission on earth.
jesus' own divine revelation
'crucified <stauroo> Strong #:
4717: in the street of the great city -- Sodom
and Egypt' -- the
testimony of Jesus Christ
Revelation 1:2 (KJV) Who
bare record of the word of God,
and of the testimony of Jesus
Christ, .....
Revelation 11:8 (KJVSL) And their dead bodies
[shall lie] in the street of the great <megas> city <polis>,
which spiritually is called Sodom <Sodoma> and <kai> Egypt
<Aiguptos>, where also our <hemon> Lord
<kurios> was crucified <stauroo> #:
4717.
PROOF
THE New
KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE IS
CORRUPTED
By Will Kinney
When the New King James Bible
departs from the underlying Greek text of the King James Bible.
the self-proclaimed jackass of the
christian world
“I do,” says Jerry
Fallwell. “I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough of the history
of his life, written by both Muslims and non-Muslims, that he was a violent man,
a man of war.”
“So, in the same way that Moses provided the ultimate example for the Jews and
same way that Jesus provided the ultimate example for Christians, Mohammed
provided the ultimate example for Muslims and he was a terrorist,” asks Simon.
“In my opinion,” says Fallwell. “And I do believe that - Jesus set the
example for love, as did Moses. And I think that Mohammed set an opposite
example.”
PAT
ROBERTSON: Under no circumstances is Jehovah,
the God of the Bible, and Allah, of the Koran, the same. First of all, the
God of the Bible is a God of love and redemption, who
sent His Son into the world to die for our sins. Allah tells people to
die for him in order to get salvation, but there is no understanding of
salvation.
says larry mitchell -- [Friends
of Israel] God's
standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses.
1.
Thou
shalt have no other gods before me. (such as Buddha, A_l_l_a_h,
Lucifer, Krishna or other pagan deities). God condemns all those who try to
come "another way". John 3:36
2.
Thou
shalt not bow down to any graven
images. (including c_r_u_c_i_f_i_x_e_s,
images of Mary, or Buddha). God condemns all idolaters. Revelation 21:8
3.
My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus
is the Son of God, and He died for our sins.
'WHAT WE BELIEVE'
Jesus died and returned from death
so that all men may live forever.
You [muslims & the mad kenadian mullah
hahahaha!!!] have a choice to say "yes" or "no"
to Jesus Christ.
I have NO creed but the King
James Bible.
I
need no other argument,
I need no other creed;
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me'.
how true, valid and reliable are these bombastic
christian claims? frankly, their authors' deliberate suppression or distortion of the biblical truth speaks for itself.
but then, these pious pauline christians are merely following in the footsteps of saul/
paul
of tarsus, the one and only true founder of their
pauline christian
faith.
2 Timothy 2:8 (KJVSL) Remember
that Jesus <Iesous> Christ <Christos> of the seed of David was raised <egeiro> from <ek> the dead <nekros>
according to <kata> my <mou> gospel <euaggelion>:
additional proof
Romans 3:7 (KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded
through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a
sinner?
2 2 Corinthians 12:7 (KJV) there was given to me a thorn in the flesh,
the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
did moses succeed in his mission? well, see
what the torah says in this regard.
Exodus 7:1 (KJV) And the LORD said unto
Moses, See, I
have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall
be thy prophet.
Deuteronomy 32:48 (KJVSL) And the LORD
<Y@hovah> spake
unto Moses that selfsame day saying Deuteronomy 32:50 And
die <muwth> in the mount whither thou goest up , and be
gathered unto thy people as Aaron
<'Aharown> thy brother died <muwth> in mount Hor
and was gathered unto his people :
Deuteronomy 32:51 Because
ye trespassed <ma`al> against me among the children of
Israel at the waters of Meribah - Kadesh <Qadesh>, in the wilderness
of Zin ; because
ye sanctified <qadash> me not in the midst of the
children of Israel.
faith power works wonders.
Allah
called his followers to kill you, rob you, and rape your wife, if you
refuse to submit to Islam.
the torah speaks for itself again.
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Deuteronomy 20:4 (KJV) For the LORD your God [is] he that goeth with you,
to fight for you against your
enemies, to save you. Deuteronomy 20:13 (KJV) And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt
smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
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Deuteronomy 20:16 (KJV) But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt
save alive nothing that
breatheth: Deuteronomy 20:17 (KJV) But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites;
as the LORD thy God hath commanded
thee:
the pentateuchal ORIGIN of 'jihad -- holy
war'
Exodus 34:14 (KJVSL) For thou shalt worship no
other <'acher> god <'el>: for the LORD <Y@hovah>, whose name <shem> [is] Jealous <qanna'>, [is] a
jealous <qanna'> God <'el>:
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Numbers 31:1 (KJV) And the LORD spake unto Moses,
saying, ... Numbers 31:3 (KJV) And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of
Midian.
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Numbers 31:6 (KJV) And Moses sent them to the
war, a thousand of [every] tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest,
to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his
hand. Numbers 31:7 (KJV) And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
Exodus 23:25 (KJV) And ye shall serve the LORD your God,
... Deuteronomy 12:2 (KJV) Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served
their
gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
Deuteronomy 12:3 (KJV) And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
Numbers 33:50 (KJV) And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan [near] Jericho, saying,
Numbers 33:51 (KJV) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
Numbers 33:52 (KJV) Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
Numbers
31:9 (KJV) And the children of Israel
took [all] the women of Midian captives, and their
little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all
their flocks, and all their goods. Numbers 31:10 (KJV) And
they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all
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Numbers 31:14 (KJV) And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with] the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
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Numbers 31:15 (KJV) And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women
alive?
Numbers 31:17 (KJV) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and
kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Numbers 31:18 (KJV) But
all the women
children, that have not known a man by lying with him,
keep alive for
yourselves.
Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword. Matthew 10:35 (KJV) For I am come to set a man at variance
against his father, and the daughter
against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her mother in law. Matthew 10:36 (KJV) And a
man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.
Matthew 10:37 (KJV) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of
me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of
me. Matthew 10:38 (KJV) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me,
is not worthy of
me.
'and contend with him in battle'
Deuteronomy 2:24 (KJV) Rise ye up, take your journey, and pass over the river Arnon: behold, I have given into thine hand Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his land: begin to possess [it],
and contend with him in battle.
Jude 1:3 (KJV) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should
earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
this then, is the irrefutable biblical
truth. yet, these pious individuals have taken
upon themselves to not only vilify islam and its holy prophet [sas], but also wilfully
misrepresent
their bible and thereby MISLEAD the uninformed and misinformed christian world. allow me to
explain further.
crucial teachings
i. 'the other <allos>
Comforter <parakletos>'
ii. 'shall TEACH <didavskw
Didasko (did-as'-ko)> you all things'
iii. 'expected' to appear
AFTER jesus'
departure and NOT BEFORE
John 7:39 (KJV) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive:
for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 14:16 (KJVSL) And
I will pray the Father and he shall give
you another <allos> Comforter <parakletos>, that
he may abide with you for ever John 14:26 (KJVSL) But the Comforter <parakletos>, [which is] the Holy
Ghost whom the Father WILL
SEND <pempo> in my <mou> name <onoma>,
he <ekeinos> shall
TEACH
<didavskw Didasko (did-as'-ko)> you
all things and bring all things
to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you.
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a[lloß
Allos (al'-los); Adjective, Strong #:
243
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another, other
Another
Comforter. Jesus had been to them a counsellor, a guide, a friend, while he was with them.
But he was about to leave them now to go alone into an unfriendly world.
The other Comforter
was to be given as a compensation for
his
absence, or to perform the offices toward them which he would have done
if he had remained personally with
them.
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paravklhtoß
Parakletos (par-ak'-lay-tos); Noun
Masculine, Strong #: 3875
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summoned,
called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid
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one who
pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel
for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
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one who
pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor
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paravklhtoß
Parakletos - Comforter
the designation of the Holy Ghost (John
14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7; RSV
marg., "or Advocate, or Helper; Gr. paracletos"). The
same Greek word thus rendered is translated "Advocate" in 1 John
2:1 as applicable to Christ.
It means properly "one who is summoned to the side of another" to
help him in a court of justice by defending him, "one who is summoned to
plead a cause." "Advocate" is the proper rendering of the word
in every case where it occurs.
so,
WHO was 'the other <allos> Comforter <parakletos>,
like unto jesus, the first parakletos?
remember that jesus christ was a human being, son of mary - and also an
israelite 'prophet LIKE UNTO moses'.
Acts 3:22 (KJV) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord
your God raise up 'unto you of your brethren, like unto
me'; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Ac 3:22. This passage is found in De 18:15-19.
Ac 3:22
Moses truly said; De 18:15-19. Like unto me; Christ was like unto Moses
...
1. Mark 6:3 (KJV) Is not this the carpenter,
the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
2. Matthew 1:16 (KJV) And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
3. Matthew 1:18 (KJV) Now the
birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
procreation
4. Luke 1:34 (KJV) Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be,
seeing I know not a
man? Luke 1:35 (KJVSL) And
the angel <aggelos> answered and said unto her
The Holy Ghost <pneuma> shall come <eperchomai> upon <epi> thee <se>, and
the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born <gennao> of
thee shall be called <kaleo> the Son
of God.
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the jews, the pharisees AND
john the
baptist were expecting 'that prophet' AFTER the christ.
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now, if these
biblical facts are true, there's no way john the
baptist could have baptized jesus - before his mission ;
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and failed to recognize him SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
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this 'internal
contradiction' shakes and nullifies the very foundation of the
christian faith, as shown in the past by this author.
'a prophet like unto
moses'
1. Deuteronomy 18:18 (KJV) I will raise
them
[israelites] up a Prophet from among their
brethren [ishmaelites], like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto
'my words which he shall speak in my
name,' I will require [it] of him.
jesus' interpretation
or contradiction: 'the Spirit of truth - he shall not speak of
himself'
John 16:13 (KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is
come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of
himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
john's expectation and
contradiction
2. Matthew 11:2 (KJV) Now when John had heard in the prison the works of
Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
Matthew 11:3 (KJV) And said unto him, Art thou he that should
come, or do we look for
another?
3. John 1:19 (KJV) And this is the record of John,
when the Jews sent priests and Levites from
Jerusalem to ask him,
WHO ART THOU?
John 1:20 (KJV) And he confessed,
and denied not; but confessed,
a. I am not the Christ <Christos>.
John 1:21 (KJV) And they asked him, What then?
b. Art thou Elias <Helias>?
And he saith , I am not.
c. Art thou THAT PROPHET <prophetes>?
And he answered, No.
John 1:24 (KJV) And they which were sent were
of the Pharisees.
John 1:25 (KJV) And they asked him,
and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then,
a. if thou be not that Christ <Christos>,
b. nor Elias <Helias>,
c. neither <oute> THAT PROPHET <prophetes>?
in other words, jesus was not a 'prophet
like unto moses' - but rather, his advent was prophesied by prophets esaias
and malachi- or so says
- john the baptist.
if so, how else was the deuteronomy 18:18-19
(kjv) PROPHECY FULFILLED during the biblical era? and that's not all.
the
'other
<allos> Comforter <parakletos>,
had to be a human being like unto jesus, the first parakletos. please also note that according to
the archangel, jesus was ONLY 'called <kaleo> the Son of God.'
meaning: he was NOT the physical 'son
of god' and/or physically begotten by god himself. there is absolutely
no divine proclamation to this effect in the 4 gospels themselves.
on
the other hand, he was declared as the 'god's beloved son' ONLY AFTER he had
been baptized by john the baptist and not before. according to the gospel
account, jesus was said to be 30 years old at the time.
the Holy Ghost
Luke 12:12 (KJV) For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Song of Solomon 6:9 (KJVSL) My dove <yownah>, my undefiled
[but] one she [is] the [only] one
of her mother she [is] the choice
[one] of her that bare
her. The daughters saw her, and blessed
her; [yea], the queens and the concubines <piylegesh>, and they praised
her.
- Nicene
and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series I, Vol. VII
- ... shortness
of the time prevented us from expounding it before, I would to-day discuss
why God was pleased to manifest the Holy Ghost in the form of a dove.
That this may be explained, this day has dawned on us; and I perceive that
fromeagerness to hear, and pious devotion, you have come together in greater
...
http://www.godrules.net/library/fathers/nf07s11.htm
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- Nicene
and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series I, Vol. VII
- ... ;
I interrogate John: "Who sent thee to baptize with water? what did He
say to thee?"Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending as a dove,
and abiding upon Him, the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy
Ghost." Is it this, O John, that He said to thee who sent thee? It is
manifest ...
http://www.godrules.net/library/fathers/nf07s10.htm
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compare
the holy ghost - 'dove' - of a 'feminine--neuter'
gender alighted on him.
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Luke 3:22 (KJV) And the Holy Ghost descended in a
bodily shape like a dove upon him, and
a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art
my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
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John 1:32 (KJV) And John bare record, saying,
I saw the Spirit
descending from heaven like a
DOVE, <peristerav
Peristera - 4058>, and
it abode upon him.
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peristerav
Peristera (per-is-ter-ah'); Noun Feminine,
Strong #: 4058
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a dove.
'holy ghost - teacher' already present during
jesus' mission
Luke 12:12 (KJV) For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
'holy ghost - teacher' expected in the future AFTER
jesus' departure
John 7:39 (KJV) (But this spake he of the
Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for
the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet
glorified.)
John 14:26 (KJV) But the Comforter <parakletos>, [which is] the
Holy Ghost, whom the Father
WILL
SEND <pempo> in my <mou> name <onoma>,
he <ekeinos> shall
TEACH
<didavskw Didasko (did-as'-ko)> you
all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
dove: masculine/neuter
gender
| Douay Rheims (John1:32)
32 And John gave testimony,
saying: I saw the Spirit coming down, as a dove
from heaven,
and he
remained upon him. [dove - masculine gender] |
John 1:32 (KJV) And John bare record, saying, I saw the
Spirit descending from heaven like a
dove, and
it abode upon him.
[dove - neuter gender] |
Luke 24:39 (KJV) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and
bones, as ye see me have.
John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that
quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I
[jesus] speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
1 John 5:6 (KJV) This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And
it is the Spirit that beareth witness,
Luke 3:22 (KJV) And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a
dove upon him, and
a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Matthew 3:16 (KJV) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a
dove, and lighting upon him:
The Spirit of God. See Mt 3:11. This was the Third Person of the
Trinity, descending upon him in the form of a dove, Lu 3:22.
It is a symbol of the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2; Matthew
3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22;
John 1:32);
this then - i.e., 'gender-neuter-fleshless-boneless'
conglomeration of the holy ghost - transforms the whole concept and
composition of the so-called 'divine trinity' both in the bible and the
christian faith, as follows.
the holy trinity was also made up of:
1. god, the father ;
2. god, the son ;
3. god/dess - the feminine holy ghost.
The
Holy Ghost in the shape of a bird – a dove or a pigeon – is a
very ancient pagan tradition. The spirit was originally female so that
the Trinity consisted of two masculine principles and a feminine
one,
the latter being the procreative or regenerative principle. At the
imposition of Patriarchy the sex of the Holy Ghost altered from female
to neuter.
John
14:26, the Holy Ghost is a person or personal God.
Luke 3:22, the Holy Ghost
assumes the form of a dove.
Matt. 13:16, the Holy Ghost is a spirit.
John 5:7, the Holy Ghost is a
God—the third member of the Trinity.
Luke 3:22, the Holy Ghost appears with a tangible body.
Luke 4:1, the Holy Ghost is a God within a God, Jesus being full of the
Holy Ghost.
Acts 21:11, the Holy Ghost is a
being of the masculine
or feminine
gender—Thus saith the Holy Ghost.
John 1:32, the Holy Ghost is of the neuter gender, it (the Holy
Ghost) abode upon him.
Matt. 1:18, the Holy Ghost, this
third member of the Trinity aids the first member (the Father) in the
creation of the second member of the trinity of bachelor Gods—the
Word, or Saviour, or Son of God.
By
several of the early Christian sects, the second person in the trinity
was female, as was also the Holy Ghost.
In
a "fragment of a gospel preserved by St. Jerome, and believed to have
been from the original Aramaean Gospel of St. Matthew, with additions, the
Holy Ghost (ruach), which in Hebrew is feminine, is called by the infant
Savior, 'My Mother, the Holy Ghost.' "[142]
[142]
Barlow, Essays on Symbolism, p. 135.
the holy trinity was made up of:
a. god, the father
b. god, the son ;
c. mary, Theotokos,
the Mother of God.
Galatians 4:4 (KJV) But when the fullness
of the time was come,
God sent forth his
Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
please note this main difference between - a past
participle of beget and the adjective - 'beloved' -- and the actual timing of
the said pronouncement. there is nothing in the 4 gospels to even remotely
suggest otherwise - save forced interpretations and conjectures.
and says paul
1 Thessalonians 5:20
(KJVSL) Despise not g prophesyings <propheteia>.
-- (g) The explaining and interpreting
of the word of God.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
(KJVSL) Prove <dokimazo> all things <pas>; hold fast <katecho> that which <ho> is good <kalos>.
dokimavzw Dokimazo
(dok-im-ad'-zo);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 1381
|
- to test, examine, prove, scrutinise
(to see whether a thing is genuine or not), as metals
- to recognise as genuine after
examination, to approve, deem worthy
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Verse 21. Prove all
things. Subject everything submitted to you to be believed to the proper test. The word here used (dokimazete,) is one that is properly applicable to metals, referring to the art of the assayer by which the true nature and value of the metal is tested. Cmt. on 1Co 3:13. This trial was usually made by fire. The meaning here is, that they were carefully to examine everything proposed for their belief. They were not to receive it on trust; to take it on assertion; to believe it because it was urged with vehemence, zeal, or plausibility.
{h} "Prove" 1Jo 4:1
{i} "hold fast" Php 4:8
Calvin said, "By the
term `prophesying' I do not understand the gift of foretelling the future, but
the science of interpreting Scripture." F33
In this light, therefore, "proving
all things" and "holding fast to that which is good"
would be exemplified by the ancient Bereans who "searched the scriptures
daily, whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).
Even today, in finding the difference between what is true and what is false, there
is no substitute for searching the word of the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Verse 21. Prove all
things. Subject everything submitted to you to be believed to the proper test. The word here used (dokimazete,) is one that is properly applicable to metals, referring to the art of the assayer by which the true nature and value of the metal is tested. Cmt. on 1Co 3:13. This trial was usually made by fire. The meaning here is, that they were carefully to examine everything proposed for their belief. They were not to receive it on trust; to take it on assertion; to believe it because it was urged with vehemence, zeal, or plausibility.
{h} "Prove" 1Jo 4:1
{i} "hold fast" Php 4:8
Calvin said, "By the
term `prophesying' I do not understand the gift of foretelling the future, but
the science of interpreting Scripture." F33
In this light, therefore, "proving
all things" and "holding fast to that which is good"
would be exemplified by the ancient Bereans who "searched the scriptures
daily, whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).
Even today, in finding the difference between what is true and what is false, there
is no substitute for searching the word of the Lord.
although most pauline and the trinitarian christians
or the judeo-christians profess their unshakable faith and belief in their lord jesus christ, the holy ghost [the 2nd
and the 3rd principles, respectively of the so-called divine
'trinity'] - as well as in paul, - the ORIGINAL founder of this
faith, how many of them truly and dutifully accept and follow their teachings?
please allow me to explain.
failed prophecy
'a prophet could not perish elsewhere than in Jerusalem'
Luke 13:33 (KJV) Nevertheless I must walk to
day, and to morrow, and the [day] following:
for it cannot
be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Lu 13:33
Verse 33. I must walk, &c. I must remain here this short time. These three days I must do cures here, and then I shall depart, though not for fear of Herod. It will be because my time will have come,
and I shall go up to Jerusalem to die.
For it cannot be that a prophet should perish out of Jerusalem. I have no fear that Herod will put me to death in
Galilee. I shall not depart on that account.
Jerusalem is the place where the prophets die, and where I am to die.
I am not at all alarmed, therefore, at any threats of Herod, for my life is safe until I arrive at
Jerusalem. Go and tell him, therefore, that I fear him not. I shall work here as long as it is proper,
and shall then go up to Jerusalem to die. The reason why he said that
a prophet could not perish elsewhere than in Jerusalem might be--
"It cannot easily be done elsewhere; it is
not usually done. Prophets have generally perished
there, and there I am to
die. I am safe,
therefore, from the fear of Herod, and shall not
take the advice given and leave his territory
the 'feminine' principle
By
several of the early Christian sects, the
second person in the trinity was female, as was also the Holy Ghost
Luke 13:34 (KJV)/Lu
13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would
I have gathered thy children
together,
as a hen doth gather her
1brood under her
wings, and ye would not!
l. Literally, "the nest": now the brood of chickens is the nest.
Learn, 1. That the ruin and destruction of sinners is wholly chargeable upon themselves, that is, on their own willfuness and impenitency, on their own obstinacy and obduracy. I would have gathered you,
says Christ, but ye would not.
Lu 13:34
Together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not! Jesus repeated these words again as recorded at Mt 23:37-39.
With such beautiful imagery does Jesus set forth his tender love for the people of that city which he knew would soon compass his death.
(TFG 491)
contradiction
and despite jesus' claim, prediction and preparation thereof,
the christian bible shows that jesus was crucified elsewhere - probably as far as qumran,
sodom, egypt - and/or the great city of babylon - in our present day iraq.
'cruci_FICTion
ALONE' did not kill jesus
mode kjv: Acts 2:23
i. crucified
<prospegnumi> <4362> <to fasten> _A_N_D_
ii. slain
<337>
kjv: Matthew 27:35 (KJVSL) ONLY
crucified
<stauroo>
<4717>
kjv: Mark
15:25 (KJVSL) ONLY crucified
<stauroo>
<4717>
kjv: Luke 23:33
(KJVSL) ONLY crucified
<stauroo>
<4717>
kjv: John 19:18
(KJVSL) ONLY crucified
<stauroo>
<4717>
and then jesus WAS NOT
HANGED in accordance with
Deuteronomy 21:22,23.
'KJV' --
the 'cosmic jesus christ' or a phantom
'his
reality or illusion'
'i am from above
i am not of this
world - kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos)'
- <2889>
'And now I am no more in the
world'
*
and I come to thee
*
'While I was with
them in the world'
*
And now come I to thee
*
'and
these things I speak in the
world'
allow me to explain the above enigmatic BIBLE
language in 'jesus' own words'.
PROOF
John 1:6 (KJV) There was a man sent from
God, whose name [was] John. John 1:7 (KJV) The same came for a witness, to
bear witness of the Light, that all
[men] through him might believe. John 1:8 (KJV) He was not that
Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that
Light. John 1:9 (KJV) [That] was the true
Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 1:10 (KJV) He was in the world, and the world was made by
him, and the world knew him not. John 8:12 (KJV) Then spake Jesus
again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth
me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of
life.
John 3:31 (KJV) He that cometh FROM ABOVE is
above all:
he that cometh FROM
HEAVEN is above all.
John 8:23 (KJV) And he said
unto them, I AM FROM ABOVE: I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD - kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>.
John
17:1 (KJV) These words spake Jesus,
John 17:11 (KJV) And NOW I AM
NO MORE in the WORLD -
kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>, AND I COME TO
THEE.
John 17:12 (KJV) WHILE I WAS WITH them in the WORLD - kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>
John 17:13 (KJV) AND NOW COME I TO
THEE; and these things I SPEAK IN THE
WORLD - kovsmoß Kosmos
(kos'-mos); <2889>...
John 17:14 (KJV) .... EVEN AS I AM NOT OF THE WORLD - kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos);
<2889>.
Joh 8:23
From beneath;
earthly and sensual. From above; heavenly
and divine. decipher
kovsmoß
Kosmos (kos'-mos);
Word Origin: Greek, Noun
Masculine, Strong #: <2889> |
- the world, the universe
- the circle of the earth, the
earth
- the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
- the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of
men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of
Christ
however, if the above bible revelation/text re:
'his reality or illusion' is true,
correct and acceptable to the christian world then which human part and/or a
spiritual portion of jesus christ was actually 'CRUCIFIED
<4362> <prospegnumi> <#???>' on the cross and
'HANGED' on the tree, in accordance with the earlier divine/mosaic
prophecy?
Deuteronomy 21:22 (KJV) And if a man have
committed a sin worthy of death,
Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJV) His body shall not
remain all night upon the
tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is
hanged [is] accursed of
God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth
thee [for] an inheritance. {accursed...: Heb. the curse of
God}
proof
question
where was jesus crucified?
in the great city of babylon?
in the great city of sodom?
in the great
CITY OF EGYPT?
jerusalem?
QUMRAN?
or rome?
your choice:
'crucified <stauroo> Strong #:
4717: in the street of the great city -- Sodom and
Egypt' -- the testimony of Jesus
Christ
Revelation 1:2 (KJV)
Who bare record of the
word of God,
and of the
testimony of Jesus Christ, ..... Revelation 11:8
(KJVSL) And their dead bodies shall
lie in the street of the
great <megas> city*
<polis>, which
spiritually <pneumatikos> - [metaphorically, or allegorically]; is
called Sodom <Sodoma>
and Egypt <Aiguptos>,
where also <kai> our
Lord <kurios> was crucified
<stauroo>.
'the
great city'*
-- what did this enigmatic phrase mean and who/what did it represent in the
new testament?
for all intents and
purposes, this was another form of derision only. it was used for 'the great
city of babylon' aka 'that woman' both of which were held in sheer
contempt for the most part. see Revelation 16:19; 17:18; 18:10; 18:21.
4717. stauroo
Search for G4717 in KJVSL
staurow stauroo stow-ro'-o
from 4716; to impale on the cross; figuratively, to extinguish (subdue)
passion or selfishness:--crucify.
1.
addition/alteration:
Re 11:8
8. dead bodies--So Vulgate, Syriac, and
ANDREAS. But A, B, C, the oldest
manuscripts, and Coptic read the singular, "dead body." The
two fallen in one cause are considered as one.
Re 11:8 Barnes
Verse 8. And their dead bodies shall
lie in the street. Professor Stuart,
"Shall be in the street." The words "shall
lie" are supplied by the translators,
but not improperly. The literal rendering would be, "and their
corpses upon the street of the great city;"
2. omission:
JFB
the oldest manuscripts omit
"the great" before city, so that
it forms no exception.
3.
interpretation:
Re 11:8
8. dead bodies--So Vulgate, Syriac, and
ANDREAS. But A, B, C, the oldest manuscripts, and Coptic read the singular,
"dead body." The two fallen in one cause are considered as one.
the great city--eight times in the Revelation elsewhere used of BABYLON
(Re 14:8; 16:19; 17:18; 18:10,16,18-19,21). In Re 21:10
COF
- Of the great city ...
"This phrase never refers
to Jerusalem." F50
What does it mean?
Re 11:8
The great city; the seat of the persecuting power; supposed to be Rome,
or places distinguished for wickedness under her control.
Re 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the 13street of the great city,
13. That is, openly at Rome:
'the
great city'*
-- what did this enigmatic phrase mean and who/what did it represent in the
new testament?
for all intents and
purposes, this was another form of derision only. it was used for 'the great
city of babylon' aka 'that woman' both of which were held in sheer
contempt for the most part. see Revelation 16:19; 17:18; 18:10; 18:21.
however, was jesus ever
crucified in the great city of babylon, rome, sodom or egypt?
and yet, we have a scripture
text which actually states that - as per the testimony /revelation of jesus
himself - rev 1:1,2.
but then, this is not a
typical example by any means. in fact, there are a few more contradictions in
the new testament in this particular regard.
on the other hand, in spite
of its untold atrocities, jesus never referred to jerusalem, as either 'the
great city, that woman, sodom or egypt,' etc.
we must
also note that all 4 gospels have asserted plainly that jesus was cruci_fied
in calvary or golgotha, i.e., a place of skull.
failed prophecy
'a prophet could
not perish elsewhere than in Jerusalem'
Luke
13:33 (KJV) Nevertheless I
must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for
it cannot
be that a prophet perish out of
Jerusalem.
where was calvary or
golgotha?
rev
11:8 [EGYPT OR SODOM]
or
heb 13:12,13 [QUMRAN-DEAD
SEA]
or
deut 23:10-12? [QUMRAN DEAD SEA]
was
it within jerusalem?
or just outside the city limits?
Qumran
the epistle of hebrews by paul or barnabas
what is more important to note is that the author of hebrews 13:11-13,
supposedly barnabas -- tells us that jesus was not crucified at any of the
places mentioned in the 4 gospels and most certainly, NOT AT JERUSALEM either.
rather, he points to a
different location altogether. I will let Dr. Barbara Thiering shed some light
on this matter:
vi. a. The gospels say that
the place of the crucifixion was known as "the place of a skull".
This in itself indicates a graveyard, one of most striking features of the
land surrounding the Qumran*
buildings [Jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' pp. 151]
The location lay
outside the southern entrance gate to the Qumran* complex ..... A new
testament verse says that Jesus suffered "outside
the gate" and
"outside the camp"
...... (ibid. pp. 150).
The above is also verified
by another important christian source, like so:
The
site of the crucifixion: Jesus was crucified "outside
the city" (John
19:17,20; Hebrews 13:12).
At a place called "the skull" (Matthew 27:33; Mark 15:22; Luke
23:33 John 19:17) -- (Halley's Bible Handbook, under, 'Mark,' pp. 481).
The place of crucifixion
according to the said epistle:
The bodies of the animals whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the
high priest as a sin offering are burned outside
the camp. Therefore Jesus _d_i_e_d_ outside
the gate, to sanctify the people by his
own blood. Let us go to him outside the camp ..... (Hebrews
13:11- 13).
Numbers 15:35 (KJV) And the LORD said
unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation
shall stone
him with stones without
the camp.
Joh 10:31
Verse 31. The Jews took up stones. Stoning
was the punishment of a blasphemer, Le 24:14-16. They considered him
guilty of blasphemy because he made himself equal with God, Joh 10:33.
Again. They had before plotted against his life (Joh 5:16,18) and once at
least they had taken up stones to destroy him, Joh 8:59.
{f} "The Jews" Joh 8:59
It was both "outside
of the gate" and "outside the camp"
phrases used for the place where
Jesus was crucified in Heb. 13:12-13.
The latter phrase means a latrine in deut 23:12 (Jesus the man, under 'the
crucifixion,' Locations, pp. 445/46).
see also under, 'the essene quarter of jerusalem,' ['jesus
and the dead sea scrolls' - edited by James
H. Charlesworth,
pp. 214].
i. barnes:
Heb 13:12 Without the gate. Without the gate of Jerusalem, John
19:17-18.
ii. The
place where he was put to death was called Golgotha, the place of a skull, and
hence the Latin word which we commonly use in speaking of it, Calvary, Lu
23:33; comp. Cmt. on Mt 27:33.
iii. Calvary,
as it is now shown, is within
the walls of Jerusalem;
iv. but
there is no reason to believe that is the place where the Lord Jesus
was crucified, for that was outside
of the walls of the city.
v. The
precise direction from the city is not designated by the sacred writers, nor
are there any historical records, or traditional marks, by which it can now be
known where the exact place was. All that we know on the subject from the New
Testament is, that the name was Golgotha; that the place of the crucifixion
and sepulchre were near each
other; that they were without the gate,
and nigh to the city, and that they were in a frequented spot, John 19:20
jesus_xruci_FICTion
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