Islam
is for muslims *al--Haqq — the
Truth*
HQ. 5:38. as for the
thief, both male and female, cut off
their hands. it is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from allah. allah is mighty,
wise -- wa Allahu Azeezun hakeem
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the holy qur'an's reply to:
Khalid
M. Malik Ghouri
his
personal interpretations of HQ. 5:38
i. 'CUTTING the hand' -- [barbaric islam(?), navali]
:
vis-à-vis
:
ii.
'the hand is REMOVED' -- [peaceful islam(?), navali]
although, the above issue could be addressed
more directly, i have opted to take a longer route instead for the benefit of other muslim
brethren, because in my judgment, the matter under discussion is not really about "cutting off or removal of the hand/s," as a result of the
divine punishment in question.
there is much more to it.
and as such, we NEED to REVIEW other qur'anic revelations
in order TO look at the said issue from a much wider spectrum.
-
simply put, what does the human body
represent in ISLAM?
-
what does the human body
represent in terms of its creation?
says al-ghazzali: 'mishkat al-anwar,'
i. ALLAH created adam __A_F_T_E_R__ THE __I_M_A_G_E__ of the merciful -- [rahman]
or the tradition, Allah created adam after his own image? -- [ibid. pp. 56,58,85,115, 134-135,].
ii. the archetypal spirit of muhammad, the heavenly man created in the image of
god, and regarded as the COSMIC POWER on whom depends the order and preservation of the universe [ibid. pp. 42].
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(Genesis 1.26-28)
“Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likenesses;
and let them have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and
over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’ So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
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Bukhari vol. 8-h.246 Narrated Abu Hurraira:—The
Prophet said: “The God created Adam in His [snip]
Image,
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Fath Al-Bari, Vol. 6, p.108-9 and Vol. 13, p.238-9—When
The God says that He created man in His Image, [snip]
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8.246: Narrated
Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah
created Adam in His picture, .... In the
Hadith, the word which is used as "his picture" is : Ala
Soorateh --- When Allah wanted to created Adam, there was no Adam. There
was no picture of Adam, since there was no Adam. As the rsult of this reasoning,
"His" in "His
picture" refers to the God, and does not refer to Adam.
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Narrated by: Abu Huraira
QIBLA:
Bukhari Hadith: Book 8, Hadith From Number 241
... 246) Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, Allah
created Adam in His picture,
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regardless of how we interpret the
above, the bottom line is still the same. 'THE
MAN' [i.e., the holy prophets and/or the holy imams [pbuth] of
the age and time], is not only allah's highest creation, but also his
degraded seed was not created without a purpose and/or a
destined end. and what was
that purpose?
a. in other words, had this 'seed-man' ever wondered why he was created?
b. why allah placed him on this earth?
c. why he is here?
d. where he is going from his transient worldly abode?
rest assured, the holy qur'an has answered these question in more ways than one.
30: 8. Have they not pondered upon themselves? Allah created not the heavens
and the earth, and that which is between them, save with truth
and for a destined
end. But truly many of mankind are disbelievers in the meeting with their
Lord. 30:11. Allah produceth creation, then He reproduceth it, then unto Him ye will be returned.
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75:36. Thinketh man that he is to be left
aimless?
75:37. Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth?
75:38. Then he became a clot; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned 75:39. And made of him a pair, the male and female. 75:40. Is not He (Who doeth so) Able
- BI-QAADIRIN
- to bring the dead to life?
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allah created 'MAA -- HE WHO
-- THAT which,
'with HIS 2 HANDS' and breathed 'MY SPIRIT' into him,
38:71. When thy
Lord said unto the angels:
Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
38:72. And when I have FASHIONED him and
BREATHED into him of MY SPIRIT,
then fall down before him PROSTRATE,
38:73. The angels fell down PROSTRATE, every one,
38:74. Saving Iblis; he was scornful and became
one of the disbelievers.
38:75. He said: O Iblis! What hindereth
thee from falling prostrate before
- MAA -- HE WHO -- THAT which I have created
with
BOTH MY HANDS?
Art thou too proud
or art thou of the high exalted
-- MINAL
AALIIN?
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note:
i.
allah announced in advance his intention to create a "MAN" .
ii. he also gave a PRIOR ORDER to the angels -- to
fall prostrate to 'MAN' i.e., AFTER
his creation.
iii. all fell prostrate except ibliss, who became
one of the disbelievers.
iv. it is obvious from the above verse 38:75 that
there WERE OTHERS -- EXALTED BEINGS WHO WERE ALSO PRESENT AT THE TIME --
MINAL AALIIN;
v. BUT THEY WERE NOT COMMANDED to prostrate to 'MAA --
HE WHO -- THAT.'
anyhow, what could be a higher creation than this, which, allah had CREATED and
FASHIONED with his own '2 HANDS' and then breathed 'HIS SPIRIT' into him?
see what allah says ABOUT HIMSELF in this regard:
59:24. He is Allah, the Creator --
HUWALLAAHU
khaliqul -
the Maker
-- bari-ul
the Fashioner -- musawwiru -
His are the most beautiful names.
All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Him,
and He is the Mighty, the Wise -- wa huwal Azeezul hakeem.
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now, how could anyone DENY
allah, HIS REVELATIONS and the holy qur'an AFTER THIS?
45: 6. These are the
REVELATIONS OF ALLAH which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what
HADIIS, AFTER
Allah and His REVELATIONS, will they believe?
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in view of the above, i believe, the purpose of 'man's' creation is to RECOGNIZE his
creator, as indicated in the following verses and very well put by brother Khalid
M. Malik Ghouri -- MEEM
CONNECTION. despite our disagreement on some of the issues, i have a lot of
respect for him :
82: 6. 6 Mankind! What has seduced you from your Rabb
(Lord) the Generous --BI-RABBIKAL
KARIIM? 7 Who CREATED
you, then FASHIONED,
then PROPORTIONED
you; 8 In whatever form He wills, He puts you
together.
[Quran:
Al Infitar, Chapter 82]
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Allah
the Generous fashions the body
for the spirit because of His generosity. When we are seduced from our Rabb
by worldly things, Allah does not punish us instantaneously, because He is
Generous, giving us a chance to repent. .... May Allah
Al Kareem
the Generous give us all a chance to repent before He takes our soul. Ameen.
Allah
Al Kareem 
the Generous, created the body for the Ruh 
spirit so that the Ruh can learn knowledge 
.
Having attained the knowledge, Allah
wants us to return as Mu_min 
a believer in Him. May Allah give us that chance to return as a
Mu_min. Ameen.
AL KAREEM - THE
GENEROUS
[emphasis added,
navali]
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elsewhere the holy qur'an adds:
33:33. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due,
and obey Allah and His messenger.
Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you,
O Folk of the Household --
AHLAL BAYT,
and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.
33:34. And bear in mind
that which is recited in your houses of
THE REVELATIONS OF ALLAH AND
WISDOM.
Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware.
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allah and the symbol of the 5 holy
ones:
HQ. 46:26. And verily We had empowered them
with that wherewith We have not empowered you,
and had assigned them ears
- &nbssp; 2
and
eyes
- &nbssp; 2
and
hearts;
- &nbssp; 1
------------------ p;
--------------------
total
- &nbssp; 5
------------------ p;
--------------------
but their
ears
- &nbssp; 2
and
eyes
- &nbssp; 2
and
hearts
- &nbssp; 1
------------------ p;
-----------------
total
- &nbssp; 5
------------------ p;
------------------
availed them naught since they denied
THE REVELATIONS OF ALLAH;
and what they used to mock befell them.
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HQ. 18:57. And who doth greater wrong than he
who hath been reminded of the revelations of his Lord,
yet turneth away from them and forgetteth what
his hands send forward? Lo! on their hearts We have
placed coverings so that they understand not,
and in their ears a deafness. And though thou
call them to the guidance, in that case they
can never be led aright.
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salaam dear brother khalid,
thanks for an interesting and insightful reply.
here's my 2 cents worth again. like i said before, i had never thought
about it.
however, my qur'an based interpretation was very close to what you've
asserted now, right?
after all, who revealed the holy qu'ran and what does the 'hand' represent
in the holy qur'an??
as mentioned before:
i. 'it is the divine symbol of allah' ;
ii. and 'his noor-light.'
42:17. allah it is who hath revealed
the scripture with truth,
and the balance.
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it also symbolizes 'the panje tan pak - 5 holy ones' [HQ. 33:33].
allah refers to this divine concept in various ways.
allah and the symbol of the 5 holy ones:
THE '5-FIVE DIVINE - NOORS-LIGHTS'
24:35 allah is the 'NOOR-LIGHT [1]
- 1
'AND THE SIMILITUDE -- OF HIS LIGHT IS AS
-- MASALU NUURIHII[2] KAMI --
- 1
'NOORUN ALA NOOR -- LIGHT[3] UPON
LIGHT[4]'
- 2
allah guides to 'HIS NOOR--LIGHT[5]'
- 1
------- &nbssp;
------------------
total
5
------- &nbssp;
------------------
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090.008 did we not assign unto him two eyes
- 2
090.009 and a tongue and two lips,
- 3
------- &nbssp;
-----------------
total
5
------- &nbssp;
------------------
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allah and the symbol of the 5 holy ones:
6:46. say: "think ye, if allah took away your
i. hearing
- 2
ii. and your sight,
- 2
iii. and sealed up your hearts,
- 1
------- &nbssp;
-----------------
total
5
------- &nbssp;
-----------------
who - a god other than allah - could restore them to you?"
see how we explain the signs--aayaati -- by various (symbols);
yet they turn aside.
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32: 9. Then He fashioned him
and breathed into him of His Spirit;
and appointed for you hearing
- 2
and sight
- 2
and hearts.
- 1
Small thanks give ye!
------- &nbssp;
--------------------
total
5
------- &nbssp;
--------------------
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on the other hand, one's acceptance or denial of the holy qur'an per se.,
or even the qur'anic facts changes nothing. absolutely nothing!
that said, what is the difference if any, between your two opposing views and
interpretations of the same qur'anic verse - given below for your perusal
and reflection.
1. 'CUTTING the hand' --
[barbaric islam(?]
:
vis-à-vis
:
2. 'the hand is REMOVED' --
[peaceful islam(?]
a. you wrote:
>>
>
islam is not a BARBARIC religion,
>it is a PEACEFUL religion.
>so why resort to CUTTING the hand for stealing?
:
>so out of respect for that name allah,
>the hand is REMOVED. |
b. you also wrote:
>>
WHY is the penalty for stealing,
>CUTTING off a hand
>and not whipping?
>i would like an esoteric answer to that,
>NOT a morality one.
>> |
so frankly, what is your actual position on this qur'anic matter? NONE as far as
i can ascertain.
and if this is the case, then are you judging or condemning allah for revealing
that ayat -- revelation & law in the holy qur'an and thus, islam simultaneously?
please explain the aforesaid in the light of the drastic shift in your position NOW?
that said sir, how do you reconcile with your own diametrically opposite views in this
case?
i. on the one hand, you are condemning the divinely prescribed
punishment;
ii. and on the other, the same is a part of the 'peaceful
islam,' simply because
that 'hand' represents allah's name in the human body.
iii. and so, it is 'REMOVED' as opposed to 'CUTTING OFF'.
despite the obvious vacillation IN YOUR STANCE, please note that earlier you said
NOTHING
about 'islam being a peaceful religion' or whatever. rather, the inclination
was towards the other end, as maybe ascertained from your later email, appended
herewith for quick reference. however, if what you say is true then kindly explain the
following.
allah and the symbol of the 5 holy ones:
'when their
tongues
and their
hands
and their
feet
testify'
024.024 on the day when their tongues and their
hands and their
feet testify against them as to what they used to do,
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'when .... their ears and their
eyes and their
skins testify'
041.020 till, when they reach it, their ears and their
eyes and
their skins testify against them as to what they used to do.
041.021 and they say unto their skins: why testify ye against us? they say: allah hath given us speech who giveth speech to all things, and who created you at the first, and unto whom ye are returned. 041.022 ye did not hide yourselves lest your
ears and your
eyes and your
skins should testify against you, but ye deemed that allah knew not much of what ye did.
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in all fairness to your intelligence, wise judgment, faith and loyalty to islam, etc.,
what kind of islam does the above represent now?
that said, was this the peaceful islam you were thinking about at the
time my friend?
part i.
HQ. 5:38. as for the
thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. it is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from allah. allah is mighty,
wise -- wa Allahu Azeezun hakeem
:
:
5:3 this day have i perfected your religion for you
and completed my favour unto you,
and have chosen for you as RELIGION
AL-ISLAM. lo! allah is forgiving, merciful.
--
please read the above in the light of your earlier question and LATER
judgmental opinion or response to the same.
however, my detailed reply EARLIER
and your current shift was not based on the above but rather, on the following complete context, about which you said nothing at all.
allah's irrevocable condition only, makes islam the peaceful religion and not otherwise.
this qur'anic condition was absent from your previous question and current assertion and shift, regardless:
part ii.
5:39. but whoso repenteth
after his wrongdoing
and amendeth,
lo! allah will relent toward him.
lo! allah is forgiving, merciful.
--
now, this is the peaceful islam -- i know about, and the one that thief
will also appreciate, if he repents and makes amends, as laid down by
allah, in which case his hand will neither be 'cut off' nor 'removed.'
he will understand the value of _i_s_l_a_m_ -- _p_e_a_c_e,_ in its
practical sense. he will be a better muslim thereafter BECAUSE islam
is about FORGIVENESS and not revenge.
COMPARISON
on the other hand, jesus taught the following in the new testament:
matthew 18:8 (kjv) wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee,
cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to
enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands
or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
matthew 27:38 (kjv) then were there two thieves crucified with
him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
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now here we have an objective comparison
between the 2 major faiths of the world - based
on their respective scripture only, wouldn't you agree?
look forward to your response.
in islam,
ali
--
==========
Khalid M. Malik
Ghouri
>From: <[email protected]>
>To: "<[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: "ALLAH" IS NOT A "GOD" - says Ahmed Hulusi
>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:04:56 -0000
>
>Wa alaikum as salaam
>
>The answer is very simple my dear brother. Islam is NOT a barbaric religion,
>it is a peaceful religion. So why resort to cutting the hand for stealing?
>
>If you place your right hand in front of you with the back facing you. Bend
>the the thumb towards the palm. DO YOU SEE? The Name ALLAH is written on
>every human hand. It is the act of using the Name ALLAH for stealing which
>is an abomination. The person who steals is not fit to have that Holy Name.
>So out of respect for that Name ALLAH, the hand is removed.
>
>It is the Name ALLAH and not ILAHA. Does that make sense? LA ILAHA ILL
>ALLAH.
>
>
>Wa salaam
>Khalid
>
>
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