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BISMILLAAHIR RAHMAANIR RAHIIM  --- IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN, RAHIM

YA ALI MADAD

 Monday, 22 October 2001

       The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by the ignorance of Islam"

   NEWSDESK

19 Apr 2003 17:55:41 GMT

Aga Khan urges tolerance in the world

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By Penny MacRae

NEW DELHI, April 19 (Reuters) - The Aga Khan, spiritual head of the world's 15 million Shia Ismaili Muslims, said on Saturday survival of an interdependent globe hinged on people showing tolerance of the cultures, values and faiths of others.

Prince Karim Aga Khan, speaking to Reuters in an interview in the aftermath of the Iraq war, said the need for better cross-cultural understanding had never been greater at what he called a "clearly a defining moment in world history".

Tolerance of other cultures, values and faiths was "essential to the very survival of an interdependent world" and education was a crucial tool in achieving this, said the Aga Khan, a wealthy philanthropist and a key force in preserving Islamic cultural history.

"Pluralism is no longer simply an asset or a prerequisite for progress and development -- it is vital to our existence," he said.

Islam is for muslims *al-- Haqq — the Truth* 

Wa Makarū Wa Makara Allāhu Wa Allāhu Khayru Al-Mākirīna (3:54).

zohurul hoque 3:53. And they contrived plots, and Allah planned, and Allah is the most excellent of the planners [pp. 96]

 

'the countenance [OR PLEASANT FACE] of allah'

i.   zohurul hoque note#92:20- except [the recompense a man has to hope for is] the seeking of the countenance of his rabb, the most high [and he who FINDS ALLAH has reached the most high position] [pp. 1091].

Wa Lā Taĥsabanna Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi 'Amwātāan Bal 'Aĥyā'un `Inda Rabbihim Yurzaqūna (169).

ii.  zohurul hoque 3:168. And do not count those who have been killed in Allah's way as 'dead'; rather they are ' alive' IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR RABB, they will be given sustenance [pp. 121]

iii.    'or pleasant face of allah '

what you pay as the [] zakat [] desiring the countenance [OR PLEASANT FACE] of allah [30:38] [pp. 701].

 [translation and commentary on the holy quran - Dr. zohurul hoque ISBN 0-9678304-0-0  Holy Quran Publishing Project 

 

Bal 'Aĥyā'un `Inda Rabbihim Yurzaqūna (3:169). 'rather they are ' alive' IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR RABB, they will be given sustenance'

continued

salaamun alaykum and ya ali madad

in addition to what we have seen so far from the above author, please allow me to present the following piece of evidence which pertains to his multifarious claim. read the same with extra caution and intelligence, if you will.

contradicted the holy qur'an

The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement If, for the sake of argument, Jesus were to return to this world, he would be about 2000 years of age, and hence, according to the above Divine law, too old to be capable of doing anything at all. In fact, it is certain that, under this law, Jesus died a very long time ago.

Jesus(pbuh): Dead or Alive? By: Nadeem Quraishi The author of this page is NOT a Qadiani This is not a Qadiani propaganda If Jesus(pbuh) is alive in the Heaven, his age today is more than 2000 years!! How can he live that long defying rules and laws set forth by Allah? Are we not making words of Allah contradict when we say in case of Jesus(pbuh) Allah changed his law and made him live that long? This brings us to the next question: can a person live that long? Let us see what Allah has to say about it

the above speaks for itself. 

THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD'S AHL-AL-BAIT (SAS)
& the Ahmadiyyat Movement

The Renaissance of Islam

On one occasion, in a state of complete wakefulness, I beheld the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, who was accompanied by his two grandsons, his daughter Fatima and his cousin and son-in-law Ali, may Allah be pleased with all of them. This was not any kind of dream but was a species of complete wakefulness."

Kitabul Bariyyah, pp.. 164-7
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The Holy Prophet, peace be on him, is reported to have expressed himself in this manner on an occasion when he was about to depart on an expedition and appointed Hazrat Ali, his cousin, to be in charge at Medina during his absence therefrom. Hazrat Ali was distressed that he would thus be deprived of the opportunity of serving at the front under the command of the Holy Prophet. To reassure him the Holy Prophet said to him: 'You are to me in the position in which Aaron was to Moses, except that there is no Prophet after me.'

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi
The Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam.

pro-wahhabi source

'The following are some of the INJUNCTIONS OF MUHAMMAD REGARDING THE IMAM or Khalifa: 

a.     "WHOEVER QUITS OBEDIENCE TO THE IMAM AND DIVIDES A BODY OF MUSLIMS, DIES LIKE THE PEOPLE IN IGNORANCE (JAAHILIYAA)". 

b.     "HE WHO FORSAKES OBEDIENCE TO THE IMAM, WILL COME BEFORE GOD ON THE DAY OF^ RESURRECTION WITHOUT A PROOF OF HIS FAITH".' (dictionary of islam, by t.d. hughes, reprinted in lahore, pakistan, 986 - pp. 266) 

the above speaks for itself.

 

WHERE IS THE TRUE QIBLAH  IN  ISLAM?

24:36. (This lamp is found) in houses which Allah hath allowed to be exalted and that His name shall be remembered therein. Therein do offer praise to Him at morn and evening. 
Pickthal's Quran Translation

the qur'anic text just cited seems to be a clear reference to the holy imam's [sa] house. see what the holy qur'an says in a similar instance elsewhere.

' make your houses places of worship -- buyootakum qiblatan'

'Ali was to him - the holy prophet  as Harun was to Musa [pbuth]'

 

10:87. And We revealed to Musa and his brother, saying: Take for your people houses to abide in Egypt and make your houses places of worship -- buyootakum qiblatan -- and keep up prayer and give good news to the believers.
Shakir's Quran Translation

25:35. We sent Moses The Book, and appointed his brother Aaron with him as minister; 
Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

10. 87:
C1468. Moses was for a little while to remain in Egypt, so that his Message should have time to work, before the Israelites were led out of Egypt. They were to make their houses into places of prayer (Qibla), as Pharaoh would not probably allow them to set up public places of prayer. and they were now to be only sojourners in Egypt. These were the glad tidings (the Gospel) of Islam, which was preached under Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and completed under Muhammad.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 3:61]

(i) At the time of going to Tabuk, the Holy Prophet designated Ali, as his vicegerent, to take charge of the affairs in Madina, saying that Ali was to him as Harun was to Musa.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 10:35]

( 15) The two Shaykhs (Bukhari and Muslim) relate on the authority of Sad bin Abi Waqqas that the Holy Prophet left Ali bin Abi Talib behind him as his vicegerent during the expedition to Tabuk, and Ali said: "O Prophet of Allah, do you leave me behind, among the women and children?" He replied: "Are you not content to be to me in the relation of Harun to Musa save that there shall be no prophet after me?"

2:248. And (further) their Prophet said to them: "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith." 
Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

the holy imamate

the bible

'an everlasting priesthood'

'and the priest's office [imamate] shall be theirs for a perpetual statute'

Exodus 3:15 (KJV) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.  Exodus 7:1 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Exodus 29:9 (KJV) And thou shalt gird them with girdles, AARON AND HIS SONS, and put the bonnets on them: AND THE PRIEST'S OFFICE SHALL BE THEIRS FOR A PERPETUAL STATUTE: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. Exodus 30:30 (KJV) And thou shalt ANOINT AARON AND HIS SONS, AND CONSECRATE THEM, that they may minister unto me in THE PRIEST'S OFFICE. Exodus 28:2 (KJV) And thou shalt make HOLY GARMENTS for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty. 

Exodus 40:13 (KJV) And thou shalt put upon 
Aaron the holy garments, 
and anoint him, 
and sanctify him; 
that he may minister unto me 
in the priest's office. 
Exodus 40:15 (KJV) And thou shalt anoint them, 
as thou didst anoint their father, 
that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: 
for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood 
throughout their generations. 

it is obvious that the learned qadiani leader and founder of the ahmadiyya movement had the full and complete knowledge of the above scriptures.  

and yet, he claimed the holy imamate for himself - based on some spurious ahadith -- that were fabricated some 250 years after the holy prophet's [sas] divine mission. 

but according to his own grandson and fourth successor of the ahmadiyya  movement there is, "No Need of a Mujaddid in the Presence of  Imamate".

so, was he-ghulam ahmad qadiani a false claimant and mujaddid of the 14th century?

proof

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani (the cursed) was also one of those who claimed to be the Mahdi [imam, navali], as well as many other people.

1.    Mujaddid of the Fourteenth Century

2.    The 'Qadiani Beliefs Refuted' Section at the Lahore Ahmadiyya ...

3.    Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) Claim of Eclipses as a Proof of Mehdi ...
This page examines the claim of 2 eclipses in Ramadan as alledeg by Ahmadiyya or Qadiani people to be the proof of Mehdi coming immediately before the Judgment ... Description: Scientist Syed Khalid Shaukat investigates the validity of Mirza's claim of eclipses as alleged proof... 
Category: Society > Religion and Spirituality > ... > Islam > Ahmadiyya
moonsighting.com/2eclipses.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

4.    A Reply to -- "No Need of a Mujaddid in the Presence of  Imamate"

... Mirza Tahir Ahmad Sahib Says that Mujaddid's will not Come in Future,and that the Institution of Mujaddids is an Evil (Fitna)!!! ...
"27 August: Our Leader, Hazrat Imam of the Ahmadiyya Jama’at, may Allah help him with His Mighty support, has said that God’s support and His testimony through His acts have proved that there would be no need for a Mujaddid (Reformer) in the presence of the Imamate. God’s corroborative testimony has forever put this mischief to rest. 

It has been said that the chain of Imamate shall not end, even up to the Day of Resurrection, and hence in the presence of Imamate there is no need for a reformation of any kind!"

"His Eminence, may Allah help him, said that the Third Imam (Mirza Nasir Ahmad) had also expounded this same viewpoint to the Jama’at, i.e., that when the Imamate is present, no need remains for any Reformer (Mujaddid), and God’s support and corroborative testimony through His acts have proved that the explanation offered by the Third Imam, may Allah have mercy upon him, was correct. The Fourth Imam, may Allah support him, has said that the corroborative and practical testimony of God, as witnessed in His acts, has forever put this mischief to rest. aaiil.org/text/qadi/mainqadi.shtml - 59k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from aaiil.org ]

let us now turn to a more important qur'anic subject that had enthralled these  poor claimants for over a century now.

says allah

'but they will mislead only themselves and they will hurt thee not at all'

Wa Lawlā Fađlu Allāhi `Alayka Wa Raĥmatuhu Lahammat Ţā'ifatun Minhum 'An Yuđillūka Wa Mā Yuđillūna 'Illā 'Anfusahum Wa Mā Yađurrūnaka Min Shay'in Wa 'Anzala Allāhu `Alayka Al-Kitāba Wa Al-Ĥikmata Wa `Allamaka Mā Lam Takun Ta`lamu Wa Kāna Fađlu Allāhi `Alayka `Ažīmāan (113).

But for the grace of Allah upon thee (Muhammad), and His mercy, a party of them had resolved to mislead thee, but they will mislead only themselves and they will hurt thee not at all. Allah revealeth unto thee the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth thee that which thou knewest not. The grace of Allah toward thee hath been infinite.

says allah

1.    'Wa Ma Qataluhu - they slew him not
2.    Wa Ma Salabuhu - nor crucified him
3.    Wa Lakin Shubbiha Lahum - but it appeared so unto them
4.    Wa Ma Qataluhu Yaqinaan (4:157).  they slew him not forcertain'

Wa Qawlihim 'Inna Qatalna Al-Masiha `Isaá Abna Maryama Rasula Allahi Wa Ma Qataluhu Wa Ma Salabuhu Wa Lakin Shubbiha Lahum Wa 'Inna Al-Ladhina Akhtalafu Fihi Lafi Shakkin Minhu Ma Lahum Bihi Min `Ilmin 'Illa Attiba`a Až-Žanni Wa Ma Qataluhu Yaqinaan (4:157).  And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Bal Rafa`ahu Allahu 'Ilayhi Wa Kana Allahu `Azizaan Hakimaan (4:158). But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. Wa 'In Min 'Ahli Al-Kitabi 'Illa Layu'uminanna Bihi Qabla Mawtihi Wa Yawma Al-Qiyamati Yakunu `Alayhim Shahidaan (4:159). There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them

4.157:
C663. The end of the life of Jesus on earth is as much involved in mystery as his birth, and indeed the greater part of his private life, except the three main years of his ministry. It is not profitable to discuss the many doubts and conjectures among the early Christian sects and among Muslim theologians. The Orthodox Christian Churches make it a cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the Cross, that he died and was buried, that on the third day he rose in the body with his wounds intact, and walked about and conversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. 

This is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins, which is rejected by Islam. 

But some of the early Christian sects did not believe that Christ was killed on the Cross. 

The Basilidans believed that some one else was substituted for him.  

The Docetae held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his Crucifixion was only apparent, not real. 

The Marcionite Gospel (about A.D. 138) denied that Jesus was born, and merely said that he appeared in human form. The Gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory of substitution on the, Cross. 

The Quranic teaching is that Christ was not crucified nor killed by the Jews,

notwithstanding certain apparent circumstances which produced that illusion in the' minds of some of his enemies: that disputations, doubts, and conjectures on such matters are vain; and that he was taken up to Allah (see next verse and note). Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

[emphasis added, navali]

can we prove the above from the holy qur'an and the bible?

New American Bible

Tobit : Chapter 12

^{15 I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord." '19 Even though you watched me eat and drink. I did not really do so; what you were seeing was a vision.'}

the new testament

please use your god-given intelligence to determine the following facts for sure. and then answer these questions.  

• where was jesus at the tme? 

• in which physical 

• or, spiritual form was he present in this word? 

• WHICH part or FORM of his physical body 

• or the spiritual nature was CRUCIFIED on the cross?

 

JESUS
'the reality or an illusion'

'And now I am no more in the world' 
* 
and I come to thee
*
'While I was with them in the world' 
* 
And now come I to thee
*
'and these things I speak in the world' 

John 17:1 (KJV) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:11 (KJV) And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].  John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:13 (KJV) And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

question

now, if jesus' own assertion as above;
i.     is correct and acceptable;
ii.    be it with regards to his reality or illusion;
       and/or his material or spiritual being;
iii.   then WHICH part or FORM of jesus was CRUCIFIED on the  cross?

The Docetae held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his Crucifixion was only apparent, not real.  Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

therefore, how could we even attempt to decipher his enigmatic statements with our limited human minds, when his own handpicked apostles could not understand him and were accused of being dumb and unintelligent by him? allow me to explain.

follow intelligently the sequence of the following pre-islamic events and each statement as reported.

'One gnostic text from Nag Hammadi, the Apocalypse of Peter, relates a radically different version of the crucifixion :

•  ..... I saw him apparently being seized by them. 

And I said what am I seeing, O Lord? 

• Is it really you whom they take? 

• And are you holding on to me? 

• And are they hammering the feet and hands of another? 

Who is this one above the cross, who is glad and laughing?" 

The Saviour said to me, "He whom you saw being glad and laughing is the Living Jesus. 

• But he into whose hands and feet they are driving the nails is his fleshy part, which is the substitute. 

• They put to shame that which remained in his likeness. And look at him, 

•  

and [look at ] me" 

(The Gnostic Gospels, by Elaine Pagels, under, 'The Passion of Christ,' pp. 87).

despite these irrefutable biblical or pre-islamic facts, the said muslim exponents of the holy qur'an have taken upon themselves to not only contradict the bible and the holy qur'an but also they have pursued their own private and 'foreign' agenda in the process. 

PLAGIARISM

'Idh Qāla Allāhu Yā `Īsaá 'Innī Mutawaffīka Wa Rāfi`uka 'Ilayya Wa Muţahhiruka Mina Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Wa Jā`ilu Al-Ladhīna Attaba`ūka Fawqa Al-Ladhīna Kafarū 'Ilaá Yawmi Al-Qiyā Mati Thumma 'Ilayya Marji`ukum Fa'aĥkumu Baynakum Fīmā Kuntum Fīhi Takhtalifūna (55).

(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ. 3:55 [M. Pickthall's translation]

zohurul hoque claimed in the 21^st century that 'jesus had escaped to kashmir after he survived death on the cross.'  but is that all?

Jesus(pbuh): Dead or Alive?

By: Nadeem Quraishi The author of this page 
is NOT a Qadiani 
This is not a Qadiani propaganda 

where did I misguide you, where is the forgery. There is no forgery.

let us review his contention from the qur'anic perspective as well.

human psychology

'reality' versus 'illusion'
 in the holy qur'an

the dictionary meaning

il·lu·sion (¹-l›"zh…n) n. 1.a. An erroneous perception of reality. b. An erroneous concept or belief. 2. The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief. 3. Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception. 4. Illusionism in art. 5. A fine transparent cloth, used for dresses or trimmings. [Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin ill¿si½, ill¿si½n-, from Latin, a mocking, irony, from ill¿sus, past participle of ill¿dere, to mock : in-, against; see IN-2 + l¿dere, to play; see leid- below.] --il·lu"sion·al or il·lu"sion·ar"y (-zh…-nµr"¶) adj. --il·lu"sion·less adj.

8:17. Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.  Pickthal's Quran Translation  [note: allah is the doer of all things]

8:43. When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. Shakir's Quran Translation

8:44. And remember when ye met, He showed them to you as few in your eyes, and He made you appear as contemptible in their eyes: that Allah might accomplish a matter already enacted. For to Allah do all questions go back (for decision). Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

either explain the above in its proper 'DIVINE' context and also what allah intended to accomplish  thereby or simply accept it, and then, apply  the same 'DIVINE' principle here below.

'WA lakin subbiha lahum   means "He was made to resemble to them"

some individuals mentioned herein, have made a real big deal out of the above but not so, without distorting the qur'anic meaning and message thereof. please click on the above link and Was Jesus substituted on the cross?

in pursuit of their own hidden agenda these people have deliberately BELIED every aspect of the scriptures, the biblical archaeological discoveries and the religious history per se.

'AND I DID NO DIE IN REALITY BUT IN APPEARANCE'

ARCHAEOLOGICAL PROOF: 3. 'But I [jesus]  was not afflicted at all. .... AND I DID NO DIE IN REALITY BUT IN APPEARANCE, lest I be put to shame by them, ....For my death which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, SINCE THEY NAILED THEIR MAN unto their death..... IT WAS ANOTHER, their father, WHO DRANK THE GALL AND THE VINEGAR; IT WAS NOT I. THEY STRUCK ME WITH THE REED, IT WAS ANOTHER, SIMON, who bore the cross on his shoulder. IT WAS ANOTHER UPON WHOM THEY PLACED THE CROWN OF THORNS. ..... And I was laughing at their ignorance' (The Nag Hammadi Library in English, The Second Treatise of the Great Seth (VII, 2), pp. 332). 

the holy qur'an

'but so it was made to appear to them'

4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation

4:157. And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Shakir's Quran Translation

4:157. And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Pickthal's Quran Translation

'but he was made to resemble to them'

In the verse 4:157 please notice carefully,  WA lakin subbiha lahum   means "He was made to resemble to them" or "it was made to resemble to them" or "a likeness of that was made for them"  or "a similitude was made for them" 

4:157 UNNAMED TRANSLATOR

And (because of) their saying: "Surely we have killed the Masih, - ‘Isa, son of Mar-yam" the Rasul of Allah, and they could not murder him, nor could they kill him by crucifixion, but he  was made to resemble to them. And verily those who differ regarding him are certainly in a doubt about him. They have no knowledge about it but are merely following a guess; and they could not kill him for certain; [mostly zohurul hoque's translation and language, compare pp. 169, navali]

UN/NAMED TRANSLATORS

he compared his own so-called 'Correct translation' with others and also criticized them. [see a similar example, 'very powerful and unequivocal criticism'].

In Surah Ale Imran, Allah says:

[UNNAMED TRANSLATOR, navali ]:  Correct translation : "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me…"  [zohurul hoque's translation  and language 100%, compare pp. 96, navali] 

Yusuf Ali :	"O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself…"
Pickthall :	"O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me..."
Rashad Khalifa :	"O Jesus! I am terminating your life,  raising you to Me….."
Mohammad Sarwar :	He told Jesus,  "I will save you from your enemies, raise you to Myself..."
M. H. Shakir :	"O Isa! I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me"
Al-Hilali & M. Khan	"O 'Iesa (Jesus)!  I will take you and raise you to Myself…."
Farooq-i-Azam Malik:	"O Isa (Jesus)! I am going to recall you (from your mission) and raise you up to Myself...."
Ahmed Ali:	"O Jesus! I will take you to Myself and exalt you….."

Critique: (****Most Correct, *** Fairly Correct.  **Incorrect,  *Grossly incorrect)

the above speaks for itself.

i.    3:46     'Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan  -  in his cradle and in his manhood'

ii.    5:110    'Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan -  in the cradle as in maturity'

Wa Yukallimu An-Nāsa Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan Wa Mina Aş-Şāliĥīna (46). 'Idh Qāla Allāhu Yā `Īsaá Abna Maryama Adhkur Ni`matī `Alayka Wa `Alá Wa A-Datika 'Idh 'Ayyadttuka Birūĥi Al-Qudusi Tukallimu An-Nāsa Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan  [5:110]

He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity;

compare

are we dealing with  an honest and rational individual? you be the judge.

i.    3:46     'Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan  -  in his cradle and in his manhood'

ii.    5:110    'Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan -  in the cradle as in maturity'

3:45 UNNAMED TRANSLATOR	And he will speak to the people in the cradle and then of gray-haired age--Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan -- and (he will be) one of the righteous
5:110 UNNAMED TRANSLATOR	... you speak to the people in the cradle [couch] and in old age.....Fī Al-Mahdi Wa Kahlāan [mostly zohurul hoque's translation and language, compare pp. 205, navali]
23:50 UNNAMED TRANSLATOR	... We sheltered them in a plateau having meadows and springs. [zohurul hoque's WORD TO WORD translation and language, compare pp. 585, navali]

a.    please note that the contender [Nadeem Quraishi] had DELIBERATELY translated the same qur'anic phrase and revelation  in 2 DIFFERENT ways  in order to throw people off guard. 

a similar example may be seen @  zohurul hoque: 7:29,31, pp. 251 as well.

i.  ‘inda kulli masjidin’ 
zohurul hoque: translation #1 
        'at every place of prostration' [pp. 251] 

ii.  ‘inda kulli masjidin’ 
zohurul hoque: translation #2 of the same qur’anic phrase 
'at every occasion of prostration' - [pp. 251].

=

b.  as well, CONTEND with the HOLY QUR'AN.

zohurul hoque: 'in the cradle [couch] and in old age.'

what was jesus' actual age, IF that is what they were really after?

Luke 2:42 (KJV) And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.  Luke 3:23 (KJV) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,

John 8:57 (KJV) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

was he 33 or 50 years old at the time? sounds mature or old enough to me.

 zohurul hoque - plagiarized

  the 'pauline cum qadiani -ahmadiyya' philosophy

REVELATION, INSPIRATION, VISION AND DREAM

compare

Acts 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

1 Corinthians 12:7 (WEB) But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit; 10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires.

who was the primary revealer and speaker?

'WE' - [allah and/or zohurul hoque??, navali]

Mirza uttered such non-sense Kufr in his books as “I am God, in my vision.''

Mirza is God

"I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed  "I saw myself in a dream as God's eye and I believed that I was actually Allah, and in this state I said: 'I wish a new order a new heaven and a new earth.'

but the Promised Messiah also had dreams, visions and Divine revelations Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - A BOOK OF RELIGIOUS KNOWLEDGE ... The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ... Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a collection of all his dreams, visions and revelations was compiled ... REVELATION, INSPIRATION, VISION AND DREAM I tell you truly that every door can be closed but the door of the descent of the Holy Spirit is never closed. Open the doors of your hearts so that it might enter into them.

zohurul hoque notes#16:16,  and beacons [like lighthouses, direction- posts, likened with the pious people], and by the stars [like the pole star and compass] they find guidance [as in navigation and aviation, similarly there is DIVINE guidance in revelation, inspiration, vision and dream] - [pp. 443] speaks as 'allah' zohurul hoque notes#20:89, [while WE not only listen to prayers but also give a reply at all times to OUR true and devout worshippers by way of revelation, inspiration, or vision] ....  [while OUR mercy is unbounded to OUR  worshippers] [pp. 534]

additional proof

zohurul hoque notes#3:53, 54. and they [the jews] contrived plots [to kill isa on the cross and thereby prove him a liar, deut. 18:20 and ACCURSED, duet. 21:23;], and allah [also]  planned [to frustrate theirs, by making him fainted, luke 24:39-43; john 20:24-27, on the cross .. and resembled him as one dead, 4:157, thus saving him from breaking his legs to cause his immediate death john 19:33-35]. and allah is the most excellent of the planners [therefore, isa was saved at the cross-incidence 3:54, he was lodged in a cave and nursed until he could move out and migrate to a plateau having meadows and springs, 23:50; mark 15:43-46; john 19:41] [pp. 96]; 

zohurul hoque note#19:33, and the day i shall die [23:50; NOT DYING a cursed death on the cross, 4:157; duet. 21:23] pp. 512] 

despite his bombastic claims earlier, the qadiani leader and founder of the ahmadiyya movement was  jumping all over the place in search of jesus' tomb! 

an interesting website to visit - Grave of Jesus in Quds

The Discrepancies of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani

"Very true, Messiah (Jesus) died going to his native land Galeel."
     (Azala-e-Auham, P. 197)

"Messiah, very secretly, ran away toward Kashmir and died there."
     (Kashti-e-Nuh, P. 53)

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In his various books, Mirza Ghulam A. Qadiani, had given three different locations for the Grave of Jesus. Which one is correct?

1. Jesus AS buried in Al-Khaleeli (Gulailee).

In 1891 Mirza wrote a huge volume, Izala Auham, which ran upto 948 pages. In the second volume of this book, he wrote a detailed, mind boggling explanation trying to prove that Jesus was not taken physically to heavens (as the Muslims believe), but that he was taken down from the cross, went to his native place, Al-Khalil, died and buried there. He writes:

"This is true that Maseeh went to his native place, and died there, but this is not true that the same body which was buried, became alive again..... verse 3 chapter I of Acts is a testimony about the natural death of Jesus that took place in Al-Khaleeli. After this death, Maseeh was visible to his students as KASHF (vision) for 40 days." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.353-354) 

1. Grave of Jesus in Quds

However, 3 years later, in 1894, Mirza changed his story. In his other book, Atmam-e-Hujjat (Roohani Khazain volume 8) he once again tried to prove that Eisa Ibne Maryam AS is dead. In an attempt to prove that, he gave the testimony of one of his rare Arab Disciple, Molvi Mohammed Al-Saeedi Trabilisi Al-Shaami. He wrote:

"This has to be admitted that Hazrat Eisa is also dead, and interestingly enough the grave of Hazrat Eisa is also in Syria and for further clarity, in the footnote, I include the testimony of My brother, My lover in Allah, Molvi Mohammad Al-Saeedi Trablisi. He is a resident of Tripoli, in the Country of Syria and in his area is the Grave of Hazrat Essa AS (Jesus). If you say that Grave is a fake, then you must provide the proof of this fake, and prove that when this fraud took place. And in this event we will not be sure about the graves of any prophet and trust will be lost, and we will have to say that all those burial places are fake." (Atmam E Hujat, Page: 18-19, Roohani Khazain vol.8 p.296-297, dated 1894)

Letter of Molvi Mohammed Al-Saeedi Trabilisi:

"O Hazrat Maulana & My Imam. Assalamo alaikum wa rehmatullah wa barakaatohu. I pray that may Allah give you cure (I recieved this letter of Shaami Saheb during my illness) Whatever you have asked about the Grave of Eisa alaihe assalam and other events, thus I am writing to you in detail, and that is this: Hazrat Eisa alaih assalam was born in Bait-ul-Lehm and between Bait-ul-Lehm and Quds there is a distance of thirty miles and the Grave of Hazrat Eisa alaihe assalam is in the Country of Quds, and is present till now, and there is a Church built on it, and that church is the largest church of all churches, and inside it is the Grave of Hazrat Eisa and in the same church is the Grave of Maryam, the truthful. And both graves are separate." (Atmam-ul-Hujjat, Roohani Khazain vol.8 p.299)

That seems to settle the matter. As far as Mirza Saheb was concerned, Jesus was dead and his grave was in al-Quds.

1. Jesus' Grave in Kashmir: However 8 years later, Mirza changed the story once again. Now he started propagating his new theory: Jesus is buried in Kashmir.

   "It is proved with certianity that Essa AS (Jesus) migrated to Kashmir. After this Allah liberated him with his blessing and he kept on living there for a long time until he died and was included among the deads. And his burial place is still in the city of Srinagar (Tomb of Yus Asif)" (Al-Huda, 12 June 1902, Page 109)

   "I have been informed about the grave of Eisa (in Kashmir)." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 p.358, 361)

   "The grave of Jesus is in Kashmir." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 p. 320, Nuzool-e-Maseeh, printed in 1909, after the death of Mirza)

So now we have three different statements of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani regarding the grave of Jesus. My question to Qadianis is which is the correct one? Al-Khalil or Quds or Kashmir?

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compare

Tomb of Mary
(click here). Mai Mari Da Asthan "Resting Place of Mother Mary" The Grave of Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ Photo taken June 2001 (Murree, Pakistan). ...

Tomb of the Virgin Mary (in Jerusalem)  The Church built on the Tomb of Mary in the Kidron Valley

Jerusalem Gates
... The Holy Sepulchre, The Dome of the Rock, Tomb Of Absalom, Tomb Of The
Zacharias And St.James. Tomb Of Virgine Mary. Westren Wall. Westren ...
www.holylandhotel.com/Album/ 

Tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary

The tomb of the Blessed Virgin is venerated in the Valley of Cedron, near Jerusalem. Modern writers hold, however, that Mary died and was buried at Ephesus. The main points of the question to be taken into consideration are as follows.

 

the qadiani-ahmadiyya translation 3: 56. Remember the time when Allah said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will RAISE thee -- Rāfi`uka -- to Myself, and will clear thee of the charges of those who disbelieve, and will exalt those who follow thee  Jesus' Birth - The Jews declare his birth to be illegitimate and they are guilty of uttering a grievous calumny against Mary, mother of Jesus.	zohurul hoque -[translation and commentary on the holy quran  behold! Allah said' `O isa, I shall cause you to die [a natural death 2:240; 3:143 ... instead of being killed on the cross, 4:157], and i [] shall  EXALT you -- Rāfi`uka -- towards ME [and thus exonerate you from calling an ACCURSED person as the jews had plotted], and i shall clear you of [the allegation of illegitimacy of your birth, 4:156 brought by] those [jews] who disbelieve, and i am going to make those [] who follow you ...  [pp. 96, #3:43, pp.93]	3. 55:   C394. Read this with iv. 157, where it is said that "whereas they slew him not nor they crucified him but it was made dubious unto them. The guilt of the Jews remained, but Jesus was eventually taken up to Allah. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans the lahore-ahmadiyya 3: 54. when Allah said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will EXALT thee -- Rāfi`uka -- in My presence, and clear thee of those who disbelieve, and make those who follow thee  [pp. 147] Jewish View:   1. Illegitimate Birth.
the qadiani-ahmadiyya philosophy	plagiarized  the qadiani - ahmadiyya philosophy	the qadiani-ahmadiyya philosophy

the qadiani-ahmadiyya translation 4:158. And for their saying, `We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;' whereas they slew him not, NOR DID THEY BRING ABOUT HIS DEATH UPON THE CROSS, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; AND THEY DID NOT ARRIVE AT A CERTAINTY CONCERNING IT. [????, distortion -- the qur'an text reads: 'WA MA QATALUHU YAQINAAN (4:157) --.  they slew him not for certain' -- navali]. 4:159.  On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise. [???, addition and distortion -- the qur'an text reads: Bal Rafa`ahu Allāhu 'Ilayhi Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzāan Ĥakīmāan (158). But Allah RAISED him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. compare 13: 2. Allāhu Al-Ladhī Rafa`a As-Samāwāti Bighayri `Amadin Tarawnahā Thumma Astawaá `Alaá Al-`Arshi. ... Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne,  qadiani-ahmadiyya translation 3: 56 RAISE thee -- Rāfi`uka note#699.i   being a divine prophet jesus could not have died on the cross because according to the bible 'he that is hanged is ACCURSED of god [deut 21:23] [pp. 232]  Crucifixion of Jesus The disbelievers of Jesus wished to bring about his death upon the cross for the purpose of calling him accursed in accordance with the pronouncement in Deut 21:23 which declares, "he that is hanged is accursed of God." His death on the cross would thus confirm him as a false Messiah. Islam contradicts the assertion that Jesus died an accursed death on the cross.  Grave of Jesus in Quds "This has to be admitted that Hazrat Eisa is also dead, and interestingly enough the grave of Hazrat Eisa is also in Syria and for further clarity, in the footnote, I include the testimony of My brother, My lover in Allah, Molvi Mohammad Al-Saeedi Trablisi. He is a resident of Tripoli, in the Country of Syria and in his area is the Grave of Hazrat Essa AS (Jesus).	Bal Rafa`ahu Allāhu 'Ilayhi Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzāan Ĥakīmāan (158). But Allah RAISED him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. qadiani-ahmadiyya translation - 3: 56 RAISE thee -- Rāfi`uka zohurul hoque [translation and commentary on the holy quran - Dr. zohurul hoque ISBN 0-9678304-0-0 Holy Quran Publishing Project 4:157. And their saying; 'surely we have killed  the masih,-- isa, son of Mar-yam,' the rasul of Allah; and they could neither kill him, nor could they crucify, but he was made to resemble to them. and indeed those who differ in it are certainly in doubt about him; they have no knowledge about it, but are merely following a guess; and they could not kill him for certain;  zohurul hoque:  4:158. On the contrary, Allah exalted him towards Himself. And Allah is exalted in Might, most Wise. [pp. 169] <---[??? addition and distortion -- the qur'an text reads (158), 4:157. And [ ] their saying [ ]; 'surely we have killed the masih,-- isa, son of Mar-yam,' the rasul of Allah ' [and thereby we have proved him to be an accursed person deut. 21:23]'; and [the fact is that] they could neither kill him [through their evil plots], nor could they crucify , but he was made to resemble [as a crucified man] to them. and indeed those who differ in it [to come to a conclusion ] are certainly in doubt about him [WHETHER HE ACTUALLY DIED ON THE CROSS OR NOT ]; they have no [] knowledge about it [I.E., THIS ESCAPE OF ISA FROM DEATH ON CROSS], but are merely following a guess; and they could not kill him for certain [and thus they failed to prove him to be accursed];  zohurul hoque: 4:158. On the contrary, Allah [ ] exalted him towards Himself. And Allah is exalted in Might, most Wise [in paving his way of escape]. [see also #note 4:159, pp. 169] note#19:33 [23:50 not dying a cursed death on the cross, 4:157, duet 21:23] , pp. 512; 3:53,54] zohurul hoque note#2:72 And remember,- you [attempted to have] killed a person [viz., isa to establish that he was a liar and a CURSED one, deut. 18:20; 23:21], then [when he ELUDED FROM CRUCIFIXION 4:157] you disagreed [] about it []. And [] Allah was to bring forth [to light that isa was not a CURSED person as he could not be KILLED on the cross ...] what you were concealing. [pp. 19]; see also note#19:33, pp. 512;  zohurul hoque note#3:44 masih [one who travels much', 23:50] [pp. 94]	Bal Rafa`ahu Allāhu 'Ilayhi Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzāan Ĥakīmāan (158). But Allah RAISED him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. qadiani-ahmadiyya translation - 3: 56 RAISE thee -- Rāfi`uka the lahore-ahmadiyya 4:157 And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allåh, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, a but he was made to appear to them as such.b And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: 4:158 Nay, Allåh exalted him in His presence. And Allåh is ever Mighty, Wise. 1 5 7a.  The words wa maa salabuhu do not negative Jesus’ being nailed to the cross; they negative his having expired on the cross as a result of being nailed to it. ... That Jesus died a natural death is plainly stated in 5:117: "and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wast the Watcher over them". See 5:1 1 7a. The Gospels contain clear testimony showing that Jesus Christ escaped death on the cross. The following points may be noted: (1) Jesus remained on the cross for a few hours only (Mark 15:25; John 19:14) but death by crucifixion was always tardy. (2) The two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross; the presumption is that Jesus too was alive. (3) The breaking of legs was resorted to in the case of the two criminals, but dispensed with in the case of Jesus (John 19:32, 33). (4) The side of Jesus being pierced, blood rushed out and this was a certain sign of life. Will Jesus the Christ Drop from the Clouds? by Mirza Masum Beg ... Christian believes it as a fundamental principle of his faith, and repeats it before his death that Jesus died on the Cross, and became doomed and accursed. ... PART V: Tombs of Moses, Mary and Jesus: ||| 18. land of promise || 19. tomb of moses || 20. lost ten tribes of israel || 21. afghans and kashmiris || 22. unknown life of jesus || 23. st. judas thomas || 24. journey of jesus to kashmir || 25. tomb of jesus || 26. chronology || 27. conclusion || They connect Masih with the word Sah, to wander, to survey, to go on pilgrimage. Thus they believe that Isa is the leader of Imam al sa'yihin (peripatetic ministers) (The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol. IV, p.82). The Ahmadiyya movement in Islam has adopted this idea of the wandering Isa into their belief that Isa travelled eastward as far as Kashmir (Ghulam Ahmad, Isa in India, p.53).
the qadiani-ahmadiyya philosophy	plagiarized the  qadiani - ahmadiyya philosophy	the qadiani-ahmadiyya philosophy

important: despite their unwavering collusion, piety and exaltation of jesus, the above tripartite-notion contradicts the bible in every sense of the term.

the bible: 'jesus christ - being made a curse for us'

Galatians 3:1 (KJV) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Galatians 3:13 (KJV) Christ... being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:  [see zohurul hoque#note4:159, pp. 169]

interesting facts

Death on the Cross

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

According to them, Jesus was a false prophct, therefore he died on the cross as the accursed of God. The Christians also believe that Jesus was hanged on the cross and died an accursed death. Says Paul:

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree".  (Galatians 3:13).

• are they speaking for the christian faith and its followers? 
• or, are the said ahmadis just trying to argue and FALSIFY the christian SCRIPTURE per se?
• and what else are they doing in the process at the same time? 

they are trying to FALSIFY the holy qur'an and its divine message as well.

zohurul hoque - plagiarized

the qadiani -ahmadiyya philosophy

zohurul hoque :  YOU YOURSELVES WERE WATCHER -- 'Anta Ar-Raqība ` [plural - purpose to throw people off guard]

The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement 5:117  I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: Serve All?, my Lord and your Lord; and I as a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher --  'Anta Ar-Raqība ` --   over them. And Thou art Witness of all things.a =  117a. This verse is a conclusive proof that Jesus died a natural death, and is not now alive in heaven.  Here Jesus says that so long as he was among his followers he was a witness of their condition, and he did not find them holding the belief in his Divinity. The logical conclusion of this statement is that the false doctrine of his Divinity was introduced into the Christian faith after his death, after 'thou didst cause me to die'?; see further 3:55a.

5:117  SHAKIR: I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, -- Thou wert  the Watcher -- 'Anta Ar-Raqība `  -- over them, and Thou art witness of all things. zohurul hoque note#5:117 [and i testify that they did not deify me and my mother so long as i lived with them] but when you caused me to die, YOU YOURSELVES [plural, purpose - to throw people off guard, navali]; WERE WATCHER -- 'Anta Ar-Raqība `--  over them, [and the doctrine of trinity was introduced into christianity after i had left the world, 3:54; bu 60:8] and you are a witness over all things. [pp. 207] Ahmadiyya Muslim Community  5:118. `I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me - Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been the Watcher over them--'Anta Ar-Raqība `--, and Thou art Witness over all things;

despite the above fabrication by both the qadiani leader and zohurul hoque, the truth, according to the holy qur'an is vastly different, if not outright contradictory.

let us look at the bible in this respect and then we shall turn to the holy qur'an itself.

• Hebrews 5:7 (KJ2000) WHO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears 

  UNTO HIM THAT WAS 
  ABLE TO 
  SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, 
  AND WAS HEARD 
  IN THAT HE FEARED;

Hebrews 5:8 (KJ2000) Though he were a Son, YET __L__E__A__R__N__E__D__ HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he __s__u__f__f__e__r__e__d;__

NOTE: 

the christian bible categorically asserts

'YET __L__E__A__R__N__E__D__ 
HE OBEDIENCE 
by the THINGS 
which he __s__u__f__f__e__r__e__d'_ - 

the key words

• 'YET __L__E__A__R__N__E__D__ 

• HE OBEDIENCE 

• he __s__u__f__f__e__r__e__d'

this part of the text is very interesting indeed because it lays to rest all false arguments and fabrications surrounding this so-called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection of jesus christ.

a.    BECAUSE if jesus had DIED:

•  the apostle paul's/barnabas' words, ''YET.... learned he obedience' - would be unnecessary and meaningless at this point.
•  YOU can NOT teach 'obedience' to a dead corpse, it's that plain and simple.
• however, when did jesus disobey god, the father in order to incur the said punishment or suffering from him?
• if he did then how could anyone else follow his example and teachings?

Author of Hebrews
... 13:28. Barnabas Tertullian first suggested Barnabas as the author of Hebrews. Acts
4:36 describes him as a Levite making him familiar with Levitical ritual. ...

‘Barnabas, His Gospel, and its Credibility (II)
... name, and they gave it canonical standing because they rated its author as an apostle.
However, the nature of both Hebrews and the Epistle of Barnabas is hard ...
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please note the above facts because both the qadianis-ahmadis and zohurul hoque were also acquainted with 'the gospel of barnabas,' wherein the author claimed that jesus WAS NOT CRUCIFIED. but someone else was in his stead.

the bible

Matthew 16:24 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. John 10:27 (KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 

1 Peter 2:21 (KJV) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: {for us: some read, for you} Romans 15:5 (KJV) Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: {according to: or, after the example of}

b.    therefore, all those who believe in his so-called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection are duped by their  own duplicity and fanaticism.

where was jesus crucified?

let the bible speak for itself

REV 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called SODOM and EGYPT, where also our Lord was _ c_r_u_c_i_f_i_e_d.  

Where was -- 'the GREAT CITY' in the biblical times?

1.    Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Re 17:18
Verse 18. And the woman which thou sawest. Re 17:3.
Is that great city. Represents that great city.

Which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rome would of course be understood by this language in the time of John, and all the circumstances, as we have seen, combine to show that Rome, in some form of its dominion, is intended. Even the name could hardly have designated it more clearly, and all expositors agree in supposing that Rome, either as Pagan or as Christian, is referred to

if the above interpretation is correct then was jesus crucified in the great city of rome?

2.    Revelation 14:8 (KJV) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, Revelation 16:19 (KJV) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, Revelation 18:10 (KJV)  Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

was jesus crucified in the great city of babylon?

we must also note that all 4 gospels have asserted plainly that Jesus was crucified in Calvary or Golgotha, i.e., a place of skull. 

Where was that place? 

Was it the one indicated at: 
a.     Rev 11:8 
b.     or Heb 13:12,13 
c.     or Deut 23:10-12? 
d.     Was it within Jerusalem 
e.     or just outside the city limits as in qumran? 

Well let’s see what a world renowned scholar and visitor to “that place” had to say in this regard. 

She says: The Book of Revelation speaks of “the great city which is spiritually called SODOM and EGYPT, WHERE THE LORD WAS CRUCIFIED.’ QUMRAN WAS NEAR THE ANCIENT SITE OF SODOM ...... Qumran COULD also be called “Egypt” when the Therapeutae met there, as has been seen. [Jesus & The riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls, by Barbara Thiering, 1992 - pp. 105].

Although the above is nothing more than a conjecture, it is clear that she was thinking about a place outside Jerusalem. If that is the case then do we have any biblical account --hard facts -- to support that view? 

Well, let us look at the following for now: 

HEB 13:12,13 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered **without the gate.** Let us go forth therefore unto him **without the camp** bearing his reproach.

DEU 23:10-12 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad **out of the camp,** he shall not come within the camp: But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come *into the camp again.* Thou shalt have a place also **without the camp,** whither thou shalt go
forth abroad:

Let us now turn to Barbara Thiering and see what she has to say about
this matter as well. She asserts:

1. THE LAST SUPPER

All gospels say that the crucifixion and the events preceding it
took place in “JERUSALEM”, using the plural form of the word. As has been seen, the distances of places given in the gospels, measured in stadia, FIT EXACTLY THE OUTPOSTS OF QUMRAN, but remain vague when related to Jerusalem [ibid.].

2. THE CRUCIFIXION

A New Testament verse says Jesus suffered “outside the gate” and  “outside the camp”. ... The phrase “outside the camp” also had a further sense to those who knew their Old Testament: Deuteronomy 23:12 shows that it designated the latrine area --- [ibid. pp. 113].

3.     the gospels say that the place of the crucifixion was known as "the place of a skull". this in itself indicates a graveyard, one of most striking features of the land surrounding the qumran* buildings [jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' pp. 151]

4.     the location lay outside the southern entrance gate to the qumran* complex ..... a new testament verse says that jesus suffered "outside the gate" and "outside the camp" ...... (pp. 150). 

the above is also verified by another source, like so: 

5.     the site of the crucifixion:  jesus was crucified "outside the city" (john 19:17,20; hebrews 13:12). at a place called "the skull" (matthew 27:33; mark 15:22; luke 23:33 john 19:17) (halley's bible handbook, under, 'mark,' pp. 481). 

6.    Without the gate. Without the gate of Jerusalem, Joh 19:17-18. The place where he was put to death was called Golgotha, the place of a skull, and hence the Latin word which we commonly use in speaking of it, Calvary, Lu 23:33; comp. Cmt. on Mt 27:33. 

a.    Calvary, as it is now shown, is within the walls of Jerusalem; 

b.    but there is no reason to believe that is the place where the Lord Jesus was crucified, 

c.    for that was outside of the walls of the city. 

The precise direction from the city is not designated by the sacred writers, nor are there any historical records, or traditional marks, by which it can now be known where the exact place was. 

All that we know on the subject from the New Testament is, that the name was Golgotha; that the place of the crucifixion and sepulchre were near each other; that they were without the gate, and nigh to the city, and that they were in a frequented spot, John 19:20. "

This would favour the conclusion that the place was probably upon a great road leading from one of the gates; and such a spot would only be found upon the western or northern sides of the city, on the roads leading towards Joppa or Damascus." See the question about the place of the crucifixion examined at length in Robinson's Bibli. Research., vol. ii., pp. 69--80, and Bibliotheca Sacra, No. 1.

The verse/s in question read:

  HEB 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned **without the camp.** HEB 13:12,13 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered **without the gate.** Let us go forth therefore unto him **without the camp,** bearing his reproach.

What does the above mean? 

how could anyone DEFEND the bible and/or defend the so-called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection of jesus christ on such flimsy and contradictory evidence at best? 

rest assured, even the biblical authors, who were closer to the said events, were still unsure of the exact place and nature of cruci_FICTion that had taken place then.  

so, how could the qadiani leader and founder of the ahmadiyya movement and zohurul hoque, respectively be so sure of the same some 2000 years AFTER the fact? their said claims and divine inspirations are full of blunders and baloney.

c.    that said, please note that the hebrews verse 5:7 quoted above, settles the other argument, put forth by the said ahmadis and zohurul hoque. see complete details below.

please allow me to touch on something more important from the qur'anic perspective before we return to this matter shortly.

4:136. O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

'and unto David We gave the Psalms'

17:55. And thy Lord is Best Aware of all who are in the heavens and the earth. And we preferred some of the prophets above others, and unto David We gave the Psalms
Pickthal's Quran Translation

17. 55:
C2240. Not only are we not to judge other ordinary men and carp at them. We are not to set up false standards for judging the Prophets of Allah. If one was born of the unlearned Arab race, he yet was a mercy to all the worlds. If one spoke to Allah as Kalimullah or another's life began with a miracle; it does not imply superiority. It only means that Allah's wisdom is more profound than we can fathom.
C2241. The gifts with which the prophets came may themselves take different forms, according to the needs of the world and the times in which they lived, as judged by the wisdom of Allah.

A striking example here given is the gift of David over others. David was given the Zabur, the Psalter or Psalms, intended to be for the worship of Allah and the celebration of Allah's praise. For the Book of Psalms, see the last part of n. 669 to iv. 163, where exactly the same words are used about David. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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and says what this zabur about the 'divine help and promise' to god's christ-masih - messiah? 

well, you be the judge.

Psalms 28:8 (KJV) The LORD [is] their strength, and he [is] 
the saving strength of his anointed--christ-messiah. {their: or, his}  {saving...: Heb. strength of salvations}

Psalms 105:15 (KJV) [Saying], Touch not mine anointed--christ-messiah, 
and do my prophets no harm.

 

  c. Psalms 20:1(KJV) 

i.    The LORD answer you in the day of trouble! 
ii.   The name of the God of Jacob protect you!
iii.  Psalms 20:6 (KJV) Now know I that the LORD 
iv.  saveth his anointed- christ - messiah -- masih;
v.   he will hear him
vi.  from his holy heaven
vii. with the saving strength of his right hand.

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Psalms 20:6 (KJVSL) Now know <yada`> I 
that the LORD <Y@hovah> SAVETH <YASHA`> 
HIS ANOINTED <MASHIYACH>; 
he will hear <`anah> him from his holy <qodesh> 
heaven <shamayim> with the SAVING <YESHA`> 
STRENGTH <g@buwrah> of his right hand <yamiyn>. {his holy...: Heb. the heaven of his holiness} {with...: Heb. by the strength of the salvation of}

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4899. mashiyach
Search for H4899 in KJVSL
xyvm mashiyach maw-shee'-akh

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from 4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person 
(as a king, priest, or saint); SPECIFICALLY, the Messiah:--anointed, Messiah.

d.    see jesus' earnest prayer before the so-called crucifixion, death and resurrection. Luke 22:40-44.

The 4 gospels show that Jesus FEARED TO DIE. He prayed and supplicated;

*REMOVE THIS CUP FROM ME* -- *with strong crying and tears UNTO HIM THAT WAS ABLE TO SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, AND WAS HEARD in that he feared.* [luke and hebrews]

Therefore, there can be no argument over this issue. These scriptural facts prove that Jesus WAS NEITHER CRUCIFIED nor killed -- as revealed in the Holy Qur’an centuries ago.  

what is the QUR'ANIC MEANING of:

'Idh Qāla Allāhu Yā `Īsaá 'Innī Mutawaffīka Wa Rāfi`uka 'Ilayya Wa Muţahhiruka Mina Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Wa Jā`ilu Al-Ladhīna Attaba`ūka Fawqa Al-Ladhīna Kafarū 'Ilaá Yawmi Al-Qiyā Mati Thumma 'Ilayya Marji`ukum Fa'aĥkumu Baynakum Fīmā Kuntum Fīhi Takhtalifūna (55).

(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

zohurul hoque vis-à-vis the said nadeem quraishi argues that:

Analysis of the verse 3:54 from Surah Ale Imran
In the verse  3:54 Allah says:
 

3:54 UNNAMED TRANSLATOR

Behold! Allah Said: "O Isa! I shall cause you to die  and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall  clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make  those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Awakening. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to differ. [mostly zohurul hoque's translation  and language, compare pp. 96, navali]

please note that the contender [Nadeem Quraishi] had DELIBERATELY used the late a. yusuf ali's words, 'reject Faith'  - in order to throw people off guard. 

he adds, ''They key words here are :  Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi’uka  ilaiya
Meaning:  "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me….."

My contention is that the position of the Quran is superior to Hadith.  Whenever a Hadith comes to contradict a Quranic verse, the Quran must prevail, not the Hadith.

In the verse 3:54, two conditions are stipulated about Jesus(pbuh):

first,	Allah will cause his Death,
second,	he will be raised.

The second condition can not take place till the first condition is met.  In other words, before Jesus(pbuh) can be raised, first, he must die.  Let us see various translations of the same verse.

Correct translation : "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me…"

Once again, please notice the sentence: Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika WA rafi’uka  ilaiya… that is ‘rafa’ will take place only after the ‘wafat’.   ‘Rafa’ after death can not mean physical ascension, but only exaltation in rank.  This is more implied when the words ‘I shall clear you of those who reject Faith’ are present with it.

this needs no further comment. 

however, i will gladly accept his following challenge:

Please think about it:  If you do not believe that Jesus(pbuh) is dead, then you must come up with concrete evidences from the Quran and only from the Quran.  You must conclusively reconcile all the verses that I mentioned in my discussion.   Please don’t say such and such scholar told that he is alive!!!! Please don’t say such and such book  clearly tells that he is alive!!!!  Please don’t say such and such Fatwa testifies that Jesus(pbuh) is alive!!!!  To validate the words of these scholars, are you going to shatter the words of Allah?   Please don’t give greater value to a man-made book over that of divine scripture.

Please have courage to accept the truth.

reminder

'Once again, please notice the sentence: Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika WA rafi’uka  ilaiya… 

that is ‘rafa’ will take place only after the ‘wafat’. '

how true and valid is the above interpretation? 

reminder

 

Jesus(pbuh): Dead or Alive?

By: Nadeem Quraishi The author of this page 
is NOT a Qadiani 
This is not a Qadiani propaganda 

Your mind will prompt you to say these are falsification of the teaching of the Quran. 

Please read again and tell me which part is false, where did I misguide you, where is the forgery. There is no forgery.  

My aim is to show you that you have been kept in darkness, away from the truth.

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• does the holy qur'an follow the same procedure each and every time? 

• 'does the word ‘wafat’ mean one and the same thing when used by allah himself? 

that said, now let allah explain his revelation in his own words.

please note the sequence and meaning of the qur'anic text, which had been conveniently IGNORED by the contenders under discussion.

how and when did these dead people become alive?

Wa Lā Taqūlū Liman Yuqtalu Fī Sabīli Allāhi 'Amwātun Bal 'Aĥyā'un Wa Lakin Lā Tash`urūna (154).

And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not. [2:152]

Wa Lā Taĥsabanna Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi 'Amwātāan Bal 'Aĥyā'un `Inda Rabbihim Yurzaqūna (169).

Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.

note that both the holy qur'an and islam have been in existence for over 1400 years now. 

question

1.    how and when did these ' dead' people become alive?

2.    let alone the 'PROVISION' they will receive directly from allah;

3.    how and when did they get into allah's PRESENCE to begin with? 

a.    'Inna Al-Ladhīna  b.    `Inda Rabbika  c.   Lā Yastakbirūna `An `Ibādatihi  d.   Wa Yusabbiĥūnahu  e.  Wa Lahu Yasjudūna (206).

a.  Lo! those who are b.   in the PRESENCE of thy Lord  c.    are not too proud to do Him service,  d.   but they praise Him e.  and unto Him they prostrate.

4.    was there any form of ‘wafat’ - gathering or ‘rafa’ - ascension  involved or mentioned in their case here? 

5.    if not, where are the 'once dead and now living' muslim martyrs from eons past? 

6.    did they leave and/or were they removed from allah's presence at anytime?

please prove it from the holy qur'an only.

'paradise, reclining in shades, eating and 'salaam' in paradise'

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yasin 36:55-58

'Salāmun Qawlāan Min Rabbin Raĥīmin' 

'Inna 'Aşĥāba Al-Jannati Al-Yawma Fī Shughulin Fākihūna (55).	Lo! those who merit paradise this day are happily employed,
Hum Wa 'Azwājuhum Fī Žilālin `Alaá Al-'Arā'iki Muttaki'ūna (56).	They and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining;
Lahum Fīhā Fākihatun Wa Lahum Mā Yadda`ūna (57).	Theirs the fruit (of their good deeds) and theirs (all) that they ask;
Salāmun Qawlāan Min Rabbin Raĥīmin (58).	Peace! The word from Rabbin Raĥīmin -- a Merciful Lord

'And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race'

Wa As-Sābiqūna As-Sābiqūna (10).	And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race: [56:10]
'Ūlā'ika Al-Muqarrabūna (11).	Those are they who will be brought nigh [56:11]  [zohurul hoque note#56:11 'to their rabb,' pp. 947]
Fī Jannāti An-Na`īmi (12).	In gardens of delight; [56:12]
`Alaá Sururin Mawđūnatin (15).	On lined couches, [56:15]
Muttaki'īna `Alayhā Mutaqābilīna (16).	Reclining therein face to face. [56:16]
Yaţūfu `Alayhim Wildānun Mukhalladūna (17).	There wait on them immortal youths [56:17]
Bi'akwābin Wa 'Abārīqa Wa Ka'sin Min Ma`īnin (18).	With bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring [56:18]
Lā Yuşadda`ūna `Anhā Wa Lā Yunzifūna (19).	Wherefrom they get no aching of the head nor any madness, [56:19]
Wa Fākihatin Mimmā Yatakhayyarūna (20).	And fruit that they prefer [56:20]
Wa Laĥmi Ţayrin Mimmā Yashtahūna (21).	And flesh of fowls that they desire. [56:21]
'Illā Qīlāan Salāmāan Salāmāan (26).	(Naught) but the saying: Peace, (and again) Peace. [56:26]

'Ūlā'ika Yujzawna Al-Ghurfata Bimā Şabarū Wa Yulaqqawna Fīhā Taĥīyatan Wa Salāmāan (75).

They will be awarded the high place forasmuch as they were steadfast, and they will meet therein with welcome and the ward of peace, [25:75]

'Inna Al-Ladhīna Qālū Rabbunā Allāhu Thumma Astaqāmū Tatanazzalu `Alayhimu Al-Malā'ikatu 'Allā Takhāfū Wa Lā Taĥzanū Wa 'Abshirū Bil-Jannati Allatī Kuntum Tū`adūna (30).	Lo! those who say: Our Lord is Allah, and afterward are upright, the angels descend upon them, saying: Fear not nor grieve, but hear good tidings of the paradise which ye are promised. [41:30]
Naĥnu 'Awliyā'uukum Fī Al-Ĥayāati Ad-Dunyā Wa Fī Al-'Ākhirati Wa Lakum Fīhā Mā Tashtahī 'Anfusukum Wa Lakum Fīhā Mā Tadda`ūna (31).	We are your protecting friends in the life of the world and in the Hereafter. There ye will have (all) that your souls desire, and there ye will have (all) for which ye pray.
Nuzulāan Min Ghafūrin Raĥīmin (32).	A gift of welcome from One Forgiving, Merciful.

Yahdī Bihi Allāhu Man Attaba`a Riđwānahu Subula As-Salāmi Wa Yukhrijuhum Mina Až-Žulumāti 'Ilaá An-Nūr Bi'idhnihi Wa Yahdīhim 'Ilaá Şirāţin Mustaqīmin (16).

Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guideth them unto a straight path. [5:16]

Wa Hadhā Şirāţu Rabbika Mustaqīmāan Qad Faşşalnā Al-'Āyāti Liqawmin Yadhdhakkarūna (126).	This is the path of thy Lord, a straight path. We have detailed Our revelations for a people who take heed.
Lahum Dāru As-Salāmi `Inda Rabbihim Wa Huwa Walīyuhum Bimā Kānū Ya`malūna (127).	For them is the abode of peace with their Lord. He will be their Protecting Friend because of what they used to do.

Wa Allāhu Yad`ū 'Ilaá Dāri As-Salāmi Wa Yahdī Man Yashā'u 'Ilaá Şirāţin Mustaqīmin (25).

And Allah summoneth to the abode of peace, and leadeth whom He will to a straight path.

• rafa'a does not always mean - exaltation!

Allāhu Al-Ladhī Rafa`a As-Samāwāti Bighayri `Amadin Tarawnahā Thumma Astawaá `Alaá Al-`Arshi ... Yufaşşilu Al-'Āyāti La`allakum Biliqā'i Rabbikum Tūqinūna (2).  Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, ... He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.

 

contradicts the holy qur'an and the qadiani's translation, simultaneously

the qadiani-ahmadiyya translation

RAISE thee -- Rāfi`uka 

3: 56. Remember the time when Allah said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will __R__A__I__S__E__ __t__h__e__e__ -- __R__ā__f__i__`u__k__a__ -- to Myself,

Jesus(pbuh): Dead or Alive?

I am trying to show you plenty of evidences from the Quran to prove that Jesus(pbuh) is not alive -- he is dead and that he was not raised alive in the Heaven. Unfortunately this may sound so much like a Qadiani propaganda. However, it is not a Qadiani propaganda and the author of this text is not a Qadiani.

hey what can we say when he contradicts the qadianis themselves? allow me to explain, if i may.

false and unfounded arguments

Jesus(pbuh): Dead or Alive?  Let us examine the use of the word ‘rafa’ in the Quran. The word ‘rafa’ occurred many times in the Quran conveying a meaning of spiritual honor and exaltation.  Please note carefully what Allah says in the verse. He is saying that Jesus(pbuh) will be raised towards Him  and not towards Heaven.  So the question of  Jesus(pbuh) being alive in the Heaven can not arise, because he was not raised in the Heaven.   In the literal context even if we think that he was raised bodily  near Allah,  question comes, where is Allah? Is He ensconced  somewhere in the sky, in Heaven or in a throne like a king?  Didn’t Allah say that He is omnipresent – in other words, He is present everywhere? Would you say that Allah is confined in a  physical body towards which He raised Jesus(pbuh)?  Please answer, how can Jesus(pbuh) be raised to sky or Heaven when Allah said he will be raised towards Him.  And that Allah is present everywhere (2:115); Allah is nearer to man than his heart (8:24); Allah is nearer to man than his jugular vein (50:16).

rest assured, in order to promote the qadiani philosophy, this man whoever he is, had deliberately contradicted and falsified every aspect of the holy qur'an per se. 

By Penny MacRae

NEW DELHI, April 19 (Reuters) - The Aga Khan, spiritual head of the world's 15 million Shia Ismaili Muslims, said on Saturday survival of an interdependent globe hinged on people showing tolerance of the cultures, values and faiths of others.

"Pluralism is no longer simply an asset or a prerequisite for progress and development -- it is vital to our existence," he said.

the bible

Exodus 25:22 (KJV) And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Ex 25:22
      22. there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat--The Shekinah, or symbol of the Divine Presence, rested on the mercy seat, and was indicated by a cloud, from the midst of which responses were audibly given when God was consulted on behalf of His people. Hence God is described as "dwelling" or "sitting" between the cherubim.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:2 (KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 

'and unto David We gave the Psalms'

17:55. And thy Lord is Best Aware of all who are in the heavens and the earth. And we preferred some of the prophets above others, and unto David We gave the Psalms
Pickthal's Quran Translation

Psalms 29:3 (KJV) The voice of the LORD [is] upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD [is] upon many waters. {many: or, great} 

 029:010 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever.

hinduism

The Puranic Deities Chapter V. THE INCARNATIONS OR AVATARS OF VISHNU. 

1.     *MACH/MATSYA AVATAR - INCARNATION OF FISH* 

God's 1st Incarnation as Fish:  'The earliest account of what was afterwards regarded as an incarnation of Vishnu is found in the "SATAPATHA  Brahmana." It will be noticed that though in this passage a wonderful FISH is described --- The Mahabharata says that Brahma assumed this form; whilst the Puranas teach that the FISH here spoken of WAS VISHNU' [Hindu Mythology - Vedic and Puranic, by W. J. Wilkins, late of the London Missionary Society, Calcutta, pp. 134].

rest assured, the holy qur'an confirms the above in its own language, regardless of how we interpret it.

the holy qur'an

• WHEN did allah detach himself from his creation, IF EVER?

• what is the very basic, the first and foremost thought and meaning that comes to mind, when we read the following?

69:17. And the angels will be on the sides thereof, and eight will uphold the Throne of thy Lord that day, above them. 

40: 7. Those who bear the Throne, and all who are round about it, hymn the praises of their Lord and believe in Him
Pickthal's Quran Translation

remember, islam is a pluralistic faith of intellect, intelligence, reflection, contemplation and PERSONAL SEARCH.

38:29. (This is) a Scripture that We have revealed unto thee, full of blessing, that they may ponder its revelations, and that men of understanding may reflect. 

5:3 This day have I perfected YOUR religion FOR YOU
and completed My favour UNTO YOU, 
and have chosen FOR YOU as religion al-Islam.
Pickthal's Quran Translation

2:57. And We caused the white cloud to overshadow you and sent down on you the manna and the quails, (saying): Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you - they wronged Us not, but they did wrong themselves. 2:248. And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the children of Musa and the children of Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this for those who believe.
Shakir's Quran Translation

2.248:
C281. Ark of the Covenant: Tabut: a chest of acacia wood covered and lined with pure gold, about 6ft x 3ft x 3ft. See Exod xxv. 10-22. It was to contain the "testimony of God", or the Ten Commandments engraved on stone, with relics of Moses and Aaron. Its Gold lid was to be the "Mercy Seat" with two cherubims of beaten gold, with wings oustretched. This was a sacred possession to Israel. 
C282. Security sakina-safety, tranquility, peace. Later Jewish wiritins use the same word for a symbol of God's Glory in the Tabernacle or tent in which the Ark was kept, or in the Temple when it was built by Solomon.
C283. Carried by angels: these words refer to the Tabut or Ark, the cherubims with outstretched wings on the lid may well be supposed to carry the security or peace which the Ark symbolised.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

Wa Đaraba Allāhu Mathalāan Lilladhīna 'Āmanū Aimra'ata Fir`awna 'Idh Qālat Rabbi Abni Lī `Indaka Baytāan Fī Al-Jannati Wa Najjinī Min Fir`awna Wa `Amalihi Wa Najjinī Mina Al-Qawmi Až-Žālimīna (11).

66:11. And Allah citeth an example for those who believe: the wife of Pharaoh when she said: My Lord! Build for me a home with thee in the Garden, and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from evil-doing folk; Pickthal's Quran Translation

89:27. But ah! thou soul at peace! 
89:28. Return unto thy Lord, content in His good pleasure! 
89:29. Enter thou among My bondmen! 
89:30. Enter thou My Garden! 
Pickthal's Quran Translation

'or pleasant face of allah '

i.   zohurul hoque note#92:20- except [the recompense a man has to hope for is] the seeking of the countenance of his rabb, the most high [and he who FINDS ALLAH has reached the most high position] [pp. 1091].

Wa Lā Taĥsabanna Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi 'Amwātāan Bal 'Aĥyā'un `Inda Rabbihim Yurzaqūna (169).

ii.  zohurul hoque 3:168. And do not count those who have been killed in Allah's way as 'dead'; rather they are ' alive' IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR RABB, they will be given sustenance [pp. 121]

iii.    'or pleasant face of allah '

what you pay as the [] zakat [] desiring the countenance [OR PLEASANT FACE] of allah [30:38] [pp. 701].

Wa Huwa Al-Ladhī Khalaqa As-Samāwāti Wa Al-'Arđa Fī Sittati 'Ayyāmin  Wa Kāna `Arshuhu `Alaá Al-Mā'i Liyabluwakum 'Ayyukum 'Aĥsanu `Amalāan  Wa La'in Qulta 'Innakum Mab`ūthūna Min Ba`di Al-Mawti Layaqūlanna Al-Ladhīna Kafarū 'In Hādhā 'Illā Siĥrun Mubīnun (7).

And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days -  and His Throne was upon the water - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct.  Yet if thou (O Muhammad) sayest: Lo! ye will be raised again after death! those who disbelieve will surely say: This is naught but magic MANIFEST.

Huwa Al-'Awwalu Wa Al-'Ākhiru Wa Až-Žāhiru Wa Al-Bāţinu Wa Huwa Bikulli Shay'in `Alīmun (3).

He is the First and the Last, and the MANIFEST and the HIDDEN; and He is Knower of all things.

Huwa Al-Ladhī Khalaqa As-Samāwāti Wa Al-'Arđa Fī Sittati 'Ayyāmin Thumma Astawaá `Alaá Al-`Arshi Ya`lamu Mā Yaliju Fī Al-'Arđi Wa Mā Yakhruju Minhā Wa Mā Yanzilu Mina As-Samā'i Wa Mā Ya`ruju Fīhā Wa Huwa Ma`akum 'Ayna Mā Kuntum Wa Allāhu Bimā Ta`malūna Başīrun (4).

He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do.

what do these verses prove? 

NOTE & FOLLOW THE QUR'ANIC SEQUENCE

  39:42 

• Allah receiveth-Yatawaffaá souls 

• at the time of their death--Mawtihā

i.    and that (soul) which dieth-  not (yet) in its sleep -- Tamut Fī Manāmihā

ii.    He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death-- Al-Mawta  

iii.    and dismisseth--Yursilu the rest.

what is involved here?

1.    receiveth         -     Yatawaffaá  -  'ascent'

2.    sleep/soul retained -  mawt-death [temporary or permanent] -- 

4.    this is the daily death and resurrection of the individual. see zohurul hoque:  translation 39:42  & note#39:42, pp. 806/07.

5.    dismisseth       -     Yursilu -- RETURNS  -  'descent'

.Allāhu Yatawaffaá Al-'Anfusa  Ĥīna Mawtihā  Wa A-Atī Lam Tamut Fī Manāmihā  Fayumsiku Allatī Qađaá `Alayhā Al-Mawta  Wa Yursilu Al-'Ukhraá 'Ilaá 'Ajalin Musamman  'Inna Fī Dhālika L'āyātin Liqawmin Yatafakkarūna (42).

Allah receiveth-Yatawaffaá souls [zohurul hoque - allah takes away the nafs]  at the time of their death--Mawtihā [zohurul hoque - at the time of their death, pp. 807] , and that (soul) which dieth-  not (yet) in its sleep Tamut Fī Manāmihā He keepeth that (soul) for which He hath ordained death-- Al-Mawta  and dismisseth the rest till an appointed term.  Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

see zohurul hoque:  translation 39:42  & note#39:42, pp. 806/07.

1.    Yatawaffākum Bil-Layli --Who gathereth you at night and

2.    Thumma -- Then

3.    Yab`athukum Fīhi Liyuqđaá -- raiseth you again to life therein,

4.    Al-Mawtu Tawaffat/hu Rusulunā -- death cometh Our messengers receive him,

5.     note: zohurul hoque's additions and distortions. 

Wa Huwa Al-Ladhī Yatawaffākum Bil-Layli Wa Ya`lamu Mā Jaraĥtum Bin-Nahāri Thumma Yab`athukum Fīhi Liyuqđaá 'Ajalun Musamman Thumma 'Ilayhi Marji`ukum Thumma Yunabbi'ukum Bimā Kuntum Ta`malūna (60).	He it is Who gathereth you at night [zohurul hoque - takes your souls] and knoweth that which ye commit by day. Then He raiseth you again to life therein, that the term appointed (for you) may be accomplished. And afterward unto Him is your return. Then He will proclaim unto you what ye used to do. [zohurul hoque - takes your souls -- addition and distortion, pp. 221]
Wa Huwa Al-Qāhiru Fawqa `Ibādihi Wa Yursilu `Alaykum Ĥafažatan Ĥattaá 'Idhā Jā'a 'Aĥadakum Al-Mawtu Tawaffat/hu Rusulunā Wa Hum Lā Yufarriţūna (61).	He is the Omnipotent over His slaves. He sendeth guardians over you until, death cometh Our messengers receive him, and they neglect not.  [zohurul hoque - takes his soul -- addition and distortion, pp. 221]
Thumma Ruddū 'Ilaá Allāhi Mawlāhum Al-Ĥaqqi 'Alā Lahu Al-Ĥukmu Wa Huwa 'Asra`u Al-Ĥāsibīna (62).	Then are they restored unto Allah, their Lord, the truth. Surely His is the judgment. And He is the most swift of reckoners.

1. Yatawaffākum - RECEIVE/
TAKE/GATHER YOU -- 
[zohurul hoque - takes]

2. Al-Mawti - THE DEATH

Qul Yatawaffākum Malaku Al-Mawti Al-Ladhī Wukkila Bikum Thumma 'Ilaá Rabbikum Turja`ūna (11).

Say: will GATHER YOU the angel of death, who hath charge concerning you, will gather you, and afterward unto your Lord ye will be returned.

i.     is this allah's own given criteria? 
ii.    how do we determine that if it is? 
iii.   therefore, what does it mean; 
iv.   when one or the other process in allah's given criteria is missing? 
v.    do we still call it an absolute death [mawt], 
vi.   even when no such thing had ever taken place, as in the case of jesus?

compare

a.     revealed by allah: 
'Mutawaffīka -- gathering thee'

'Idh Qāla Allāhu Yā `Īsaá 'Innī Mutawaffīka Wa Rāfi`uka 'Ilayya  (55).

(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, ..... [3:55]

b.     revealed in third person: 
'Wa Yawma Yamūtu - and the day he dieth'

Wa Salāmun `Alayhi Yawma Wulida Wa Yawma Yamūtu Wa Yawma Yub`athu Ĥayyāan (15).

Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!

c.     revealed in first person by jesus:
'Wa Yawma 'Amūtu -- and the day I SHALL die'

Wa As-Salāmu `Alayya Yawma Wulidtu Wa Yawma 'Amūtu Wa Yawma 'Ub`athu Ĥayyāan (33).	zohurul hoque: 19:33  and Peace on me  the day I WAS born,  and the day I SHALL die,  and the day I SHALL BE raised up alive! [pp. 512]
Dhālika `Īsaá Abnu Maryama Qawla Al-Ĥaqqi Al-Ladhī Fīhi Yamtarūna (34).	zohurul hoque: Such is Isa, son of Mar-yam -  the true saying in which they dispute. [pp. 512]

question

1.    how could a 'dead person' predict or talk 
about his own 'death and resurrection' in future tense?

2.    why did allah make this particular distinction between john, 
and jesus, especially, if both were already 'DEAD' by then?

please note also that both john and jesus were first cousins - born roughly six months apart - luke 1:5-36. and although, john was beheaded before jesus' so-called cruci_FICTion, he baptized jesus when he turned 30 and began his own prophetic mission among the children of israel.

3.    therefore, how do we explain these qur'anic differences?

4.     allah speaks about:  jesus' 'Mutawaffīka' & maut-death' in 2 different contexts altogether. 

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 3:55]

In Badshah Husain's English translation of the Holy Quran, Sale is quoted on page 14 of Vol. 11. as under:

"It is supposed by several that this story was an original of Mohammad's but they are certainly mistaken, for several sectarians held the same opinion, long before his time. The Basilidians (Irrenus I.I.C 23 and C. Epiphan Haeres 24 num III) in the very beginning of Christianity, denied that Christ himself suffered, but that Simon the Cyraracean was crucified in his place. The Corinthians before them and the Carpocratians next (to name no more of those who affirmed Jesus to have been a mere man) did believe the same thing; it was not himself, but one of his followers very like him that was crucified. Photius tells us that he read a book entitled "The Journeys of the Apostles", relating the acts of Peter, John, Andrew, Thomas and Paul, and among other things contained therein, this was one, that Christ was not crucified, but another in his stead, and that therefore he laughed at his crucifiers (Photius Bible Cod 114, col. 291) or those who thought they had crucified him (Tolands' Nazrenus p. 17 and c.)"

The Jewish plot to kill Isa was prevented by the best of planners, the almighty Allah.

Tawaffa is to fulfil a promise. Inni mutawaffika means "I will complete your term". The word may mean death or to take away. It has been used in both its meanings in the Quran. The Ahmadi commentator, to deny the miraculous escape of Isa from being crucified, misinterprets the word tawaffa as Isa's physical death. The Holy Prophet and the holy Imams have said that Isa will come down again from the heaven before the day of resurrection and offer prayers behind Imam Muhammad al Mahdi, the last Imam in the progeny of the Holy Prophet.

rest assured, the bible lends credence to the qur'anic version of the events cited @  3:55,56 & 4:157,158.

• Hebrews 5:7 (KJ2000) WHO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears 

  UNTO HIM THAT WAS 
  ABLE TO 
  SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, 
  AND WAS HEARD 
  IN THAT HE FEARED;

Hebrews 5:8 (KJ2000) Though he were a Son, YET __L__E__A__R__N__E__D__ HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he __s__u__f__f__e__r__e__d;__

Author of Hebrews
... 13:28. Barnabas Tertullian first suggested Barnabas as the author of Hebrews. Acts
4:36 describes him as a Levite making him familiar with Levitical ritual. ...

‘Barnabas, His Gospel, and its Credibility (II)
... name, and they gave it canonical standing because they rated its author as an apostle.
However, the nature of both Hebrews and the Epistle of Barnabas is hard ...

explained below.

death or sleep?

Wa Nufikha Fī Aş-Şūri Fa'idhā Hum Mina Al-'Ajdāthi 'Ilaá Rabbihim Yansilūna (51).	And the trumpet is blown and lo! from the graves they hie unto their Lord, [yasin 36:51]
Qālū Yā Waylanā Man Ba`athanā Min Marqadinā Hādhā Mā Wa`ada Ar-Raĥmānu Wa Şadaqa Al-Mursalūna (52).	Crying: Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth.

rest assured, in 1973 i was left for 'dead' following a serious car accident back home in kenya, east africa. i was in comma for 18 days. and here i am  telling you about it 29 years later.

please note all of the above verses were conveniently IGNORED by both the leader and founder of the ahmadiyya movement and the said zohurul hoque.

regardless, in the light of the above, what will the human being contend about or limit allah's revelation to?

the bible

Genesis 5:22 (KJV) And Enoch walked with God 
Genesis 5:23 (KJV) And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Genesis 5:24 (KJV) And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5

Through faith Enoch was taken from the earth so that he did not see death, and he could not be found, because God had taken him; for before he was taken we have evidence that he truly pleased God.  5. By faith Enoch was translated. See Gen. 5:24; also Jude 14. His faithfulness was rewarded by a translation to heaven without first becoming a victim of death.

1. a. Elijah: Heb. Elijahu: Gr. Elias

2 Kings 2:11 (KJV) And it came to pass, as they still went on, 
and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, 
and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; 
AND ELIJAH WENT UP BY A WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN.

2 Kings 2:12 (KJV) AND ELISHA SAW [IT], 
and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, 
and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: 
and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

Luke 24:50 (KJV) And he led [jesus] them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. Luke 24:51 (KJV) And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Luke 24:52 (KJV) And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

how many scriptures will these contenders argue about or falsify in pursuit of their own hidden agenda?

who came first, the 'non-human' imam or the mankind?

 017.071 On the day when We shall summon all men with THEIR IMAM--IMAAMIHIM, whoso is given his book in his right hand - such will read their book and they will not be wronged a shred. 017.072 Whoso is blind IN THIS--FII HAAZIIHII -- will be blind in the Hereafter, and yet further from the road.

pro-wahhabi source

'The following are some of the INJUNCTIONS OF MUHAMMAD REGARDING THE IMAM or Khalifa: 

a. "WHOEVER QUITS OBEDIENCE TO THE IMAM AND DIVIDES A BODY OF MUSLIMS, DIES LIKE THE PEOPLE IN IGNORANCE (JAAHILIYAA)". 

b. "HE WHO FORSAKES OBEDIENCE TO THE IMAM, WILL COME BEFORE GOD ON THE DAY OF^ RESURRECTION WITHOUT A PROOF OF HIS FAITH".' (dictionary of islam, by t.d. hughes, reprinted in lahore, pakistan, 986 - pp. 266) 

 

the pre-eternal & everlasting imamate

THE PRIMAL HOLY IMAM
WITNESS - ADVOCATE 
[sa] for mankind - in every age - 
'in this--Fī Hadhihi 
[17:71,72]
[PLURALISM]'

essential existence

4:41. But how (will it be with them) when We bring of every people a witness, and We bring thee (O Muhammad) a witness against these? 
Pickthal's Quran Translation

COMMENTARY: HQ. 4:41. A proper and an intelligent study of the matter of this verse guides the reader to a very important factor about the personality of the Holy Prophet. The word 'Shaheed' means a WITNESS. When 'Shaheed is followed by 'Ala' it means 'Raqeeb' or 'Mohaimim' meaning a close watcher, a careful observer and a WITNESS in the pure and most perfect sense as used in 2:143, 22:17, and 5:117.  [S.V. Mir Ahmed Ali, Comm. #530 re: 4:41 & #1201 re: 16:89, pp. 376 & 865-66]

The address in the verse is to the Holy Prophet. The question arises can anyone who was not present on any event bear WITNESS over the situation. The verse says that a witness will be called of every people of every age and the HOLY PROPHET WOULD BE CALLED TO BEAR WITNESS over all those witnesses. This statement of the Holy Qur'an clearly indicates the Holy Prophet was ESSENTIALLY PRESENT WITH EVERY PROPHET IN EVERY PART OF THE EARTH AND IN ALL TIMES. 

And according to 2:143 HE REMAINS SIMILARLY PRESENT WITH EVERY HOLY IMAM UNTIL THE DAY OF JUDGMENT TO BEAR WITNESS OVER THEM ALL. It is a serious matter for an intelligent study of the personality of the Holy Prophet that when the Word of God so strongly establishes the spiritual or the essential existence of his presence during all times and in all places .....

There is the saying of the Holy Prophet: "Kunto Nabiyyan wa Adama bainal ma' wattin" I was a Prophet when Adam was still in water and clay, i.e., I existed as the Apostle of God even before Adam was yet to be created. 

The essential existence of the Holy Prophet with all apostles and in all times, has been referred to in 2:143; 16:84,89 -- [ibid. pp. 376]. 

HQ. 016.089 And (bethink you of) the day when We raise in every nation a witness against them of their own folk, AND WE BRING THEE (MUHAMMAD) AS A WITNESS against these. And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah). 

As Muslims, we believe and/or accept the above as well, submit to the Holy Qur'an because it is Allah's Revelation and Commandment.

the bible

the divine IMAMATE -- Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest--imam

                        Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem ..... : and he was the priest --imam of the most high God [[el-elyon -- al-aliyyun]].   

'and unto David We gave the Psalms'

17:55. And thy Lord is Best Aware of all who are in the heavens and the earth. And we preferred some of the prophets above others, and unto David We gave the Psalms
Pickthal's Quran Translation

 Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right  hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest--imam for ever after the order of Melchizedek

   Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest-imam of the most high God [el-elyon -- al-aliyyun], who met Abraham ....,  and blessed him; Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part [zakat--dasond] of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace [islam means peace, navali; Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made [divine] like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest-imam continually

Proverbs 8:1 (KJV) Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? Proverbs 8:2 (KJV) She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. Proverbs 8:3 (KJV) She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. Proverbs 8:22 (KJV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Proverbs 8:23 (KJV) I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Proverbs 8:30 (KJV) Then I was by him, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;

    the hadith

WHEN AND FROM WHAT WAS THE FIRST 'NON-HUMAN' IMAM CREATED?

1.    it is reported by abu ishaq thalabi that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet to give the name of the man who had knowledge of the book and brought the queen of sheba with her throne within the twinkling of an eye.

the holy prophet said: "IT WAS ALI."  

it is stated in minhaj al sadiqin and umdat al bayan -- [SUNNI HADITH] -- that then the holy prophet said to ALI:

"O ALI, thou had been HIDDEN -- [BATIN, navali] -- WITH ALL THE PROPHETS of allah preceding me, AND WITH ME THOU ARE MANIFEST - [ZAHIR, navali] - [M.S. U.B.] [#vr. 40. [1699], s.v. mir ahmed ALI, pp. 1157].

NADI ALI, WHICH THE HOLY PROPHET RECITED

     [Pooya/Ali Commentary 27:20]

2.    it is reported by abu ishaq thalabi that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet to give the name of the man who had knowledge of the book and brought the queen of sheba with her throne within the twinkling of an eye.

the holy prophet said: "IT WAS ALI."

it is stated in minhaj al sadiqin and umdat al bayan -- [SUNNI HADITH]-- that then the holy prophet said to ALI:

"O ALI, YOU HELPED ALL THE PROPHETS of allah incognito -- [BATIN, navali] -- (concealed from view), and YOU HELP ME in propria persona - [ZAHIR, navali] - (in person) MANIFESTLY."

Ali ibn abi Talib is known as mazhar al aja-ib and mazhar al ghara-ib because, as willed by Allah, he used to appear in different forms to carry out divine plans under very special circumstances. These two epithets are exclusively reserved for Ali. Even today the true believers invoke Allah to send him for help (???*navali).

the Famous Dua, Known as Nadi Ali, Which The Holy Prophet Recited, As Commanded By Allah, At Khaybar* Refers To Ali As Mazhar Al Aja-Ib. Ali Ibn Abi Talib Is Also Known As Mushkil Kusha, The Remover Of Hardships. 

In every age, to many persons he comes personally to remove hardships. Through his name great spiritual achievements are attained. The Holy Prophet, and after him, Ali are acknowledged as the most superior possessors of the spiritual powers.
--------

Khaybar* -- zohurul hoque: note#48:18, near victory [of khaibar]; note#49:6, pp. 896; 901; 969; 1183.

proof - the holy qur'an

Wa Āj`al Lanā Min Ladunka Walīyāan Wa Āj`al Lanā Min Ladunka Naşīrāan (75).

Oh, give us from thy presence some protecting friend! Oh, give us from Thy presence some defender!

i.    since when had this DIVINE HELPER been in allah's PRESENCE?

Wa Qul Rabbi 'Adkhilnī Mudkhala Şidqin Wa 'Akhrijnī Mukhraja Şidqin Wa Āj`al Lī Min Ladunka Sulţānāan Naşīrāan (80).

017:080  And say: My Lord! Cause me to come in with a firm incoming and to go out with a firm outgoing. And give me from Thy presence a sustaining Power.

ii.      since when had this DIVINE HELPER been in allah's PRESENCE? 

Tilka Al-Jannatu Allatī Nūrithu Min `Ibādinā Man Kāna Taqīyāan (63).	19:63.  Such is the Garden which We cause the devout among Our bondmen to inherit.
Wa Mā Natanazzalu 'Illā Bi'amri Rabbika Lahu Mā Bayna 'Aydīnā Wa Mā Khalfanā Wa Mā Bayna Dhālika Wa Mā Kāna Rabbuka Nasīyāan (64).	19:64.  We come not down save by commandment of thy Lord. Unto Him belongeth all that is before us and all that is behind us and all that is between those two, and thy Lord was never forgetful -

18:65. Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence
Pickthal's Quran Translation

18. 65:
C2411. One of Our servants: his name is not mentioned in the Qur-fin, but Tradition gives it as Khidhr. Round him have gathered a number of picturesque folk tales, with which we are not here concerned. "Khidhr" means "Green": his knowledge is fresh and green, and drawn out of the living sources of life for it is drawn from Allah's own Knowledge. He is a mysterious being, who has to be sought out. He has the secrets of some of the paradoxes of Life, which ordinary peoplc do not understand, or understand in a wrong sense, as we shall see further on. ne nearest equivalent figure in the literature of the People of the Book is Melchizedek or Melchisedek (the Greek form in the New Testament). In Gen. xiv. 18-20, he appears as king of Salem, priest of the Most High God: he blesses Abraham, and Abraham gives him tithes.

C2412. Khidhr had two special gifts from Allah: (1) Mercy from Him, and (2) Knowledge from Him too. The first freed him from the ordinary incidents of daily human life; and the second entitied him to interpret the inner meaning and mystery of events, as we shall see further on.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

iii.     why did allah exalt him unto himself and also join him in his worship? see 17:79-80.
iv.     why did allah ask the holy prophet [sas] and the muslim faithful to pray as above  - 17:79-80?

"O ALI, thou had been HIDDEN -- [BATIN, navali] -- WITH ALL THE PROPHETS of allah preceding me, AND WITH ME THOU ARE MANIFEST - [ZAHIR, navali] - [M.S. U.B.] [#vr. 40. [1699], s.v. mir ahmed ALI, pp. 1157].

here's another truth and reality of islam which had been often IGNORED by the large muslim population - for whatever reasons.

Yawma Nad`ū Kulla 'Unāsin Bi'imāmihim  (71).

17:71. (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; 17:72. But those who were blind in this -- Fī Hadhihi, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.  Shakir's Quran Translation

and since when had this IMAM for mankind been in allah's PRESENCE?

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 7:181]

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Since the creation of man there had been and should always be a person, present in this world, to guide others with truth. In view of this fact the Holy Prophet has said: "Whosoever dies without recognising the Imam (guide) of his age (in order to follow his guidance) dies the death of an ignorant pagan."

pre-islamic proof

the bible

jesus: 'And I, if I be lifted up from the earth'

John 12:32 (KJV) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. John 8:28 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he],  John 12:34 (KJV) The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

John 17:1 (KJV) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:13 (KJV) And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. John 17:16 (KJV) They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:18 (KJV) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

Luke 24:50 (KJV) And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. Luke 24:51 (KJV) And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Luke 24:52 (KJV) And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

ARCHAEOLOGICAL PROOF: 3. 'But I [jesus]  was not afflicted at all. .... AND I DID NO DIE IN REALITY BUT IN APPEARANCE, lest I be put to shame by them, ....For my death which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, SINCE THEY NAILED THEIR MAN unto their death..... IT WAS ANOTHER, their father, WHO DRANK THE GALL AND THE VINEGAR; IT WAS NOT I. THEY STRUCK ME WITH THE REED, IT WAS ANOTHER, SIMON, who bore the cross on his shoulder. IT WAS ANOTHER UPON WHOM THEY PLACED THE CROWN OF THORNS. ..... And I was laughing at their ignorance' (The Nag Hammadi Library in English, The Second Treatise of the Great Seth (VII, 2), pp. 332). 

4. 'One gnostic text from Nag Hammadi, the Apocalypse of Peter, relates a radically different version of the crucifixion : ..... I saw him apparently being seized by them. And I said what am I seeing, O Lord? Is it really you whom they take? And are you holding on to me? And are they hammering the feet and hands of another? Who is this one above the cross, who is glad and laughing?" The Saviour said to me, "He whom you saw being glad and laughing is the Living Jesus. But he into whose hands and feet they are driving the nails is his fleshy part, which is the substitute. They put to shame that which remained in his likeness. And look at him, and [look at ] me" (The Gnostic Gospels, by Elaine Pagels, under, 'The Passion of Christ,' pp. 87).

The Gospel of Barnabas & the ahmadiyya movement

Author of Hebrews
... 13:28. Barnabas Tertullian first suggested Barnabas as the author of Hebrews. Acts
4:36 describes him as a Levite making him familiar with Levitical ritual. ...

‘Barnabas, His Gospel, and its Credibility (II)
... name, and they gave it canonical standing because they rated its author as an apostle.
However, the nature of both Hebrews and the Epistle of Barnabas is hard ...

THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS #220 Jesus replied, embracing his mother: “Believe me mother for verily I say to thee that I HAVE NOT BEEN DEAD AT ALL: for God HATH RESERVED ME TILL THE END OF THE WORLD.” Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God had sent for Jesus, and had TRANSFORMED JUDAS, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another. 

#221 The third day Jesus said: Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there WILL I ASCEND _A_G_A_I_N_ unto heaven, and ye will see who shall bear me up.’ And he reproved many who believed him to have died and risen again, saying: “Do ye then hold me and God for liars? for God hath granted to me to LIVE ALMOST UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD, even as I said unto you. 

Verily I say unto you, I DIED NOT, but Judas the traitor. 

Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven [pp. 262,263, 268-273]. 

lahore-ahmadiyya  The Gospel of Barnabas:
[Jesus Christ foretold the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)]
by Mirza Masum Beg 

Prayer Accepted:

This prayer of Jesus: Take away this cup from me, offered in a state of agony and anguish (Luke, 22:44), was heard by the Most High God and there appeared an angel unto him from heaven strengthening him (Luke, 21:33). Paul, the founder of Church Christianity, speaking of this acceptance of Jesus’ prayer by the Most High God, writes in his Epistle to the Hebrews (5:7):

Who (Jesus) in the days of his flesh when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he feared. 

[snip]

He must have received Divine assurance of deliverance in answer to his prayers (Hebrews 5:7). [the qadiani leader]

Death on the Cross

"In the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and  tears unto him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he feared". 
(Hebrews 5:7).

the qadiani addition & distortion of the biblical text 
[????  'of death on the cross']

he had prayed to god in great agony to 'take away this cup [???? of death on the cross, ???? addition navali]  from me' [mark 14:36; matt 26:29; luke 22:42], and his prayer was heard [heb 5:7] [note#699, ahmadi qur'an translation pp. 232, published under auspices of the last 3 qadiani leaders]

contradicts the bible

Mt 26:39 - And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Mt 26:42 - He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Mr 14:36 -And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Lu 22:17 -And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: Lu 22:20 - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. - Lu 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Was Jesus HANGED[1] to death?

From the very inception of Christianity, Christians have disputed whether Jesus was CRUCIFIED or impaled. Even, whether he was crucified at all, as recent archaeological discoveries has shown.

If he was, as the scripture asserts then, he was NEITHER CRUCIFIED[2] NOR IMPALED[3] at the same time.

Although the final analysis and result may be the same, the method used had been disputed for centuries. Each feuding sect gave its own version of the events it deemed correct or to have taken place, at the exclusion of all others, regardless.

But the main question here is, why should these Christians argue over these 2 issues only and LEAVE OUT the more critical one namely, 'WAS JESUS _H_A_N_G_E_D_ ON A _T_R_E_E'?,_ as the book of Acts and Galatians purport? 

Or else, HOW MANY times did Jesus die and HOW did his death come about each time?

a.     By hanging?
b.     Cruci_FICTion?
c.     Impalement?

THE WATCHTOWER GROUP

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The Cross
(Greek: stauros)

Biblical Overview

THOUGH THE BIBLE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE THE INSTRUMENT THAT JESUS DIED UPON, TRADITION HAS IT that he was put to death on a cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam.
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DEATH BY HANGING!!

i.     Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up JESUS, whom ye SLEW AND _H_A_N_G_E_D_ ON A _T_R_E_E._

ii.     Acts 10:39 AND WE ARE WITNESSES of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they SLEW AND _H_A_N_G_E_D_ ON A _T_R_E_E:_

iii.     Acts 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, THEY TOOK HIM DOWN FROM THE _T_R_E_E,_ and laid him in a sepulchre.
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KJV:
Deuteronomy 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, AND THOU HANG HIM ON A TREE: Deuteronomy 21:23 His body shall not remain all night UPON THE TREE, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (FOR HE THAT IS HANGED IS ACCURSED OF GOD;) that thy land be not defiled,
which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

           [see details below]

how was the above prophecy fulfilled in jesus, if ever? therefore, how could the proponents of the so-called 'cruci_FICTion' - be so sure of the nature of punishment inflicted upon jesus when NEITHER the bible or the holy qur'an say which it was. 

on the contrary, the latter refutes BOTH forms of punishments.

'distortions' as usual - he speaks as 'allah'

Mirza uttered such non-sense Kufr in his books as “I am God, in my vision.''

Mirza is God

"I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed  "I saw myself in a dream as God's eye and I believed that I was actually Allah, and in this state I said: 'I wish a new order a new heaven and a new earth.'

he speaks as 'allah'

1.    zohurul hoque: note#21:9 [21:51,93; 
i.      just as WE  RESCUED ISA from his dying on the cross, 3:53-54; 4:157; HEBREWS 5:7] ;
ii.     and [WE RESCUED ] whom we pleased ;
iii.    [for their following OUR  messengers .... ] [pp. 544] [he speaks as 'allah'] 

see also note#7:124 [re: HEBREWS 5:7], pp. 270.

Author of Hebrews
... 13:28. Barnabas Tertullian first suggested Barnabas as the author of Hebrews. Acts
4:36 describes him as a Levite making him familiar with Levitical ritual. ...

‘Barnabas, His Gospel, and its Credibility (II)
... name, and they gave it canonical standing because they rated its author as an apostle.
However, the nature of both Hebrews and the Epistle of Barnabas is hard ...

2.    zohurul hoque: note#61:6  [and he [ahmad] being the spirit of truth will guide humanity to complete truth, 5:3; john 16:12-14; BARNABAS 163;180].'  [pp. 980]

compare

• Hebrews 5:7 (KJ2000) WHO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears 
  UNTO HIM THAT WAS ABLE TO 
  SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, 
  AND WAS HEARD IN THAT HE FEARED;

Hebrews 5:8 (KJ2000) Though he were a Son, 
YET LEARNED HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered;

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note: it does not say, 'by the cruci_FICTion that he suffered.' it clearly asserts, 'YET LEARNED HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered;'  

if so, was jesus disobedient prior to his so called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection? how do we determine that?

The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E.  In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed.

• The disciples answered, "O Master, who shall that man be of whom you speak, who shall come into the world?" Jesus answered with joy of heart: 'He is Muhammad;, Messenger of God, and when he comes into the world, even as the rain makes the earth to bear fruit when for a long time it has not rained, even so shall he be occasion of good works among men, through the abundant mercy which he shall bring. For he is a white cloud full of the mercy of God, which mercy God shall sprinkle upon the faithful like rain.'

  • Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me, mother, for truly I say to you that I have not been dead at all; for God has reserved me till near the end of the world.' And having said this he prayed the four angels that they would manifest themselves, and give testimony how the matter had passed.  .... Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God had sent for Jesus, and had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another.

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How early is *E-A-R-L-Y* in the Christian context? Please note that the Gospel of Barnabas is LISTED AMONG the Lost Books of E-A-R-L-Y Christian Literature. See below. 

Now, will Jochen Katz care to answer this question for us since he is being unduly stubborn? He feels that this pro-Islamic gospel was manufactured by some Muslim in the 12th century or thereabouts. 

But one James, his accomplice says, *Gospel of Barnabas (I), rejected among a list of forgeries in the _6th_ century.* See below. Apparently, these pious internet Christian missionaries have just created an insoluble problem for themselves because if, the *f-o-r-g-e-d* Gospel of Barnabas was rejected in the _6th century_ as alleged: 

a.     When was the original Gospel per se, written and by whom? 
b.     What was the status of the original Gospel in Christendom up to that point in time?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Barnabas/gosep.html 

Gospel of Barnabas (I), rejected among a list of forgeries in the 6th century. Nothing else is ^^^^^^ known about this. Not known if it ^^^^^^^^^ has anything in common with (4) below. 

Gospel of Barnabas (II), Latin manuscript from Italy in the **16th century,** translated into English by Lonsdale and Laura Rigg, published in 1907 by Clarendon Press, Oxford.

http://ironbark.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~blackhir/Entry.html *But there are also signs that it was not initially composed under Muslim inspiration. It shows, in fact, only a mistaken and superficial familiarity with Islam. The underlying text is more accurately described as "Jewish-Christian" or "Ebionitic". Its doctrines are those of the Ebionites, the Judaic "heretics" of early Christianity. If 'Barnabas' is a late forgery, what earlier sources might its author have used? THE MEDIEVAL GOSPEL OF BARNABAS. See below.

FOREWORD The content of this book represents only about a third of the complete manuscripts WHICH EXIST IN _A_R_A_M_A_I_C_ IN THE SECRET ARCHIVES OF THE VATICAN and in old Slavonic in the Royal Archives of the Habsburgs (now the property of the Austrian Government [The Essene Gospel of Peace, 1937, by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely pp. 7] The Essene Gospel IS NOT THE ONLY MANUSCRIPT of its kind IN THE SECRET ARCHIVES OF THE VATICAN. There were GOSPELS supposedly by Matthew, _B_A_R_N_A_B_A_S,_ James, Peter and Thomas, used by the Manicheans, together with the Book of the Obstetrician, The Essene Book of Genesis, The Canto of Christ, ---- ALL THESE MANUSCRIPTS WERE CONDEMNED AS APOCRYPHAL AND 'DAMNED FOR ETERNITY' along with their authors and followers -- [pp. 10].

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despite all this pre-islamic knowledge, these people with vested interest and claim, respectively had decided to pursue different avenues.  allow me to explain, if i may.

the bible

Luke 1:5 (KJV) There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth. Luke 1:34 (KJV) Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Luke 1:36 (KJV) And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

the holy qur'an

phase i.    23:45. Then We sent MUSA AND HIS BROTHER HAROUN, with Our communications and a clear authority, 

phase ii.    23:46. to firon and his chiefs, but they behaved haughtily and they were an insolent people. 23:48. so they rejected them and became of those who were destroyed

phase iii.  23:49. 
And certainly WE GAVE MUSA THE BOOK
that they may follow a right direction. 
23:50. And We made the son of Marium
and his mother a sign, 
and We gave them a shelter 
on a lofty ground having meadows and springs.
Shakir's Quran Translation

note

i.    first of, allah refers to moses, aaron [pbuth] and their israelite-egypt religious history. in other words, theirs was not a political struggle for survival.

ii.   second of, jesus descended from imran and the aaron's [pbuth] priestly family on his maternal side. see above Luke 1:5,34-36 (KJV); HQ. 3:33,34 AND  zohurul hoque pp. note#3:53, pp. 91 & 19:28.

iii.    moreover, both jesus and his mother [pbuth] were mentioned ONLY in the context of the earlier israelite-egypt religious history and the prophets, etc.

'and We gave them a shelter' 

the bible

'and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt'

Matthew 2:13 (KJV) And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Matthew 2:14 (KJV) When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Matthew 2:15 (KJV) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

see 19:22-26 and the pertinent details given below as well. 

Yusuf Ali's Commentary 23. 50:
C2906. The virgin birth of Jesus was a miracle both for him and his mother. 
C2907. THERE IS NO NEED TO LOOK FAR for the place where mother and child were given secure shelter. IT IS DESCRIBED IN XIX. 22-26. 

It was the place to which she withdrew to be delivered when the time drew near. There was a fruitful palm-tree, evidently on high ground, for beneath it flowed a spring. She retired there in seclusion, and she and her child rested there until it was time for her to go to her people with her child.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans
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please note that according to the above qur'anic text, maryam, jesus' pregnant mother [pbuth], was already 'on lofty ground having meadows and springs.' 

she suffered the birth pangs alone in that place. she delivered her 'blessed son' there and not in srinagar, kashmir. there is not a word or hint about the indian sub-continent here. 

2nd translation of the qur'anic text

19:22. So she conceived him; THEN WITHDREW HERSELF WITH HIM TO A REMOTE PLACE. 
19:23. AND THE THROES (OF CHILDBIRTH) compelled her to betake herself  to the trunk of a PALM TREE. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten! 19:24. Then (the child) called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has MADE A STREAM TO FLOW BENEATH YOU; 19:25. And shake towards you the trunk of the palm tree, it will drop on you FRESH RIPE DATES: 19:26. SO EAT AND DRINK AND REFRESH THE EYE. Then if you see any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent Allah, so I shall not speak to any man today. 

19:27. And she came to her people with him, carrying him (with her). They said: O Marium! surely you have done a strange thing. 19:28. O sister of Haroun! your father was not a bad man, nor, was your mother an unchaste woman. 19:29. But she pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle? 19:30. He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet; 19:31. And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; 
Shakir's Quran Translation

for all practical purposes, jesus christ was born here some 33 years i.e., BEFORE his so-called cruci_FICTion. 

therefore, why connect the events of his birth with anything that did not even take place for another 3 decades at least? 

and here is the biblical proof:

John 10:15 (KJV) As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:16 (KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
John 10:17 (KJV) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

• condition 1- John 10:15 (KJV) - 'and I lay down my life for the sheep.'
• condition 2 - John 10:17 (KJV) -- 'because I lay down my life.'

meaning: BEFORE proceeding to kashmir or wherever to gather the remaining sheep of his fold or the other fold -- jesus had to die first. 

his crucifixion, death,  and resurrection had to take place before he could execute his other plans.

reminder

zohurul hoque: note#2:61, And behold! you said: "O Musa! we cannot endure with one [] food; ..... Go down into _A_N_Y_ Egypt [as, in front is the rich PROMISED LAND OF KASHMIR having meadows and springs, 23:50,] [note#2:61, pp. 16 see also note#2:243, pp. 68].

Wa Ja`alnā Abna Maryama Wa 'Ummahu 'Āyatan Wa 'Āwaynāhumā 'Ilaá Rabwatin Dhāti Qarārin Wa Ma`īnin (50).

zohurul hoque: 23:50. 'And We made the son of Miriam and his mother a sign [], and [after their escape from the land of prosecutors 4:157]  We sheltered them in a [vast] plateau having [rich] meadows and [plenty of] springs.' [pp. 584]

Survival of the Crucifixion

The first Muslim writer known to have included the tradition of Jesus having traveled to India in his youth with the tradition that he, as Yuz Asaf, had traveled in southwest Asia in the latter half of the first century, was the 10th-century historian, Shaikh Al-Said. 41 [41. Shaikh A-Said-us-Sadiq, Kamal-ud-Din (Iran:Syed-us-Sanad Press, 1782) 357-358. See K. N. Ahmad, Jesus in Heaven on Earth, 365-366.]

according to this (KJV) text, jesus could not and did not proceed to kashmir BEFORE his so-called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection. 

cruci_FICTion:
John 10:15 (KJV) As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

GATHER HIS SHEEP
John 10:16 (KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

1ST OR 2ND cruci_FICTion
John 10:17 (KJV) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

whether or not he survived the said cruci_FICTion is not even an issue here. on the other hand, it could refer to his journey back to israel from india via persia only and not the other way round.

the issue is -- there is no way, he could have belied himself by going to kashmir BEFORE his prophesied and predestined cruci_FICTion, simply no way!!! the opposite is perhaps the truth and the buddhist scripture supports the biblical text in this respect as seen above.

therefore, i believe that both scriptures are very clear in their respective context and connotation, regardless. and to argue otherwise is to betray one's conscious and islam - in every sense of the term.

the bible

Isaiah 41:18 (KJV) I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Isa 41:18
18. Alluding to the waters with which Israel was miraculously supplied in the desert after having come out of Egypt. high places--bare of trees, barren, and unwatered (Jer 4:11; 14:6). "High places . . . valleys" spiritually express that in all circumstances, whether elevated or depressed, God's people will have refreshment for their souls, however little to be expected it might seem.

Isaiah 42:15 (KJV) I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

WAS JESUS BORN IN KASHMIR?

Luke 1:39 (KJV) And Mary arose in those days, and went INTO THE HILL COUNTRY with haste, into a city of Juda;

Luke 1:39
Arose. In consequence of the angel's words. Went into the HILL COUNTRY. THE CENTRAL PLATEAU OF JUDEA, containing the cities of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Hebron. Hebron was a Levitical city (Jos 21:11). Whether the city was Hebron, Juttah, or some other, 
is only conjecture.

luke 2:8 (kjv) and there were in the SAME 
COUNTRY SHEPHERDS abiding in the field, 
keeping watch over their FLOCK BY NIGHT. 

Luke 2:11 (KJV) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a 
Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:12 (KJV) And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

Luke 2:15 (KJV) And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, THE SHEPHERDS SAID ONE TO ANOTHER, Let us now go even unto BETHLEHEM, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. {THE SHEPHERDS: GR. THE MEN THE SHEPHERDS} Luke 2:16 (KJV) And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger

 

the qadiani & zohurul hoque 
WERE both east indian claimants -
THEIR common link - 
identical translations & interpretations of verses 2:61; 3:56; 4:157; 19:22-26; 23:50 - [24:55] -
both also proclaimed that 
'jesus had migrated/escaped to kashmir' 
after his so-called
cruci_FICTion

Or is the Tomb of Jesus in Kashmir? http://alhafeez.org/rashid/grave.html

Another website called 'Tomb of Jesus' goes to extreme length to prove that Tomb of Jesus is in Kashmir. Although the owner of website (Tombmaster) denies that he belong to any religious group, but soon the cat comes out of the bag when the owner of this website confesses on Ahmadi forums that he is Ahmadi and is very close to Mirza Tahir, the Qadiani Khalifa. He writes: 

"After surviving the crucifixion, Jesus Christ arrived in Kashmir, where he took up residence for the remainder of his life. THERE HE MINISTERED TO ISRAELITE TRIBES OF THE AREA, CONTINUING TO PREACH. He eventually married a woman named Maryan, who bore him children, and, so the theory states, he died at the age of 120 years. His tomb [see picture of his tomb on our home page] is located in the Mohala Kan Yar district of the capital city of Srinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, Northern India, and is called the Roza Bal ("The Site of the Honored Tomb")." 
(http://www.tombofjesus.com/Welcomeall.htm)
Tombmaster further adds: 
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688 Ch. 23: THE BELIEVERS [Al-Mu’min.n
50 And We made the son of Mary
and his mother a sign, and We gave
them refuge on a lofty ground having
meadows and springs.a

50a. There has been much discussion as to the land spoken of in this verse. Rabwah is lofty ground, and qarår means cultivated land, and a place where water rests in a meadow (LL). Jerusalem, Egypt, Palestine or Damascus, which are the names suggested, do not answer the description, which applies exactly to the valley of Kashmir. Part of the lost ten tribes of Israel is also traced to Kashmir, where a large number of towns and villages bear the names of the towns and villages of Palestine. The presence of a tomb known as the tomb of Nabß (i.e., the prophet), or ‘Íså (i.e., Jesus), or Y∂z Åsaf, in the Khån Yår street in the capital of Kashmir, lends additional support to this theory. The fact that the chapter deals with the final triumph of prophets and their followers and their deliverance from the hands of their enemies also gives us a clue to the mystery attending the circumstances of the disappearance of Jesus Christ after the event of the Cross; for, as shown in 4:157a, Jesus did not die on the cross. According to a saying of the Holy Prophet, Jesus lived 120 years (IK, vol. ii, p. 246). This verse tells us that, being delivered from the hands of his enemies, he was given shelter at some other place, and the description of that place as indicated in this verse, along with the fact that Kashmir has a tomb, which every available evidence shows to be the tomb of Jesus himself, leads us to the conclusion that Kashmir is the land referred to in this verse.

a case of mistaken identity(?)

Apollonius the Nazarene  
Part 2
Similarities Between Apollonius and Jesus
By Dr. R. W. Bernard, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (1964)

Apollonius of Tyana
... Apollonius who undertook a journey to India, and this became the basis for the story, which many believe, that Jesus did not die on the cross but went to India ... members.lycos.co.uk/sldocs/tyana.html

Apollonius.Net - Saint Issa & The Lost Years of Jesus
... visited Tibet and India. And as will be shown in this book, the life and works of Apollonius have been compared countless times to the life of Jesus and bear ... www.apollonius.net/issa.html - 18k - 

Maitreya and Jesus
... was Apollonius who undertook a journey to India which became the basis for the story, which many believe, that Jesus did not die on the cross but went to India ... www.heisback.com.au/Maitreya_and_Jesus.html - 16k - 

search:  apollonius jesus india

 

Ch.7, "Those Versatile Essenes" Beskow quotes from the anonymous "The crucifiction by an eyewitness, (p.54-55), the Essene Letter", which begins:
"I have informed you of all these things, my brethren, that you shall indeed know that Jesus was our brother, and belonged to our Holy Order, ...." 

1.    The document claims that Jesus was revived by Joseph of Arimathea & Nicodemus using Essene healing practices. 

2.    and the youth observed with inexpressible joy that the lips of the body moved, AND THAT IT BREATHED. he at once hastened to JESUS TO ASSIST HIM, AND HEARD SLIGHT SOUNDS RISING FROM HIS BREAST. the FACE assumed a LIVING APPEARANCE, and the EYES OPENED and in astonishment gazed at the novice of our order [pp. 79]  

3.    The two angels at the tomb were really Essene brothers dressed in white. Jesus died some six months later from the injuries sustained during his torture.
['the crucifixion, by an eye-witness' - second edition, chicago indo-american book co. 1907, reprinted 1972 by health research, pomeroy, wa 99347]

"The Crucifiction by an Eye-witness", (1907), & 'The crucifiction and resurrection of Jesus, by an eyewitness", (1919), & "An eyewitness
Account" (1975). 

to be continued

 

       003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth. 
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6

 salaam : peace

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