bible_jesus_x_fiction
bible_jesus_x_fiction_ii
bismillaahir
rahmaanir
rahiim
in the name of allah,
rahman,
rahim
'the
supposed historical resurrection'
versus
'so well authenticated by evidence'
His Royal Highness Prince
Aga Khan III
Reincarnation
or Companionship on High?
An article by Imam Hazrat Mowlana Sultan Mahomed Shah (s.a.s.)
Source: Africa Ismaili Kisumu Supplement, March 28, 1969
The Christian burial ceremony and the prayers then said by the presiding
ecclesiastics refer to resurrection in a way that implies some kind of
similarity with
THE
SUPPOSED HISTORICAL RESURRECTION OF CHRIST THREE DAYS AFTER HIS DEATH.
There
is the undoubted implication in the Burial Service that a similar
resurrection will in time be the fate of those who die in Christianity.
Just as the events of Easter Week become part of Christianity and the hope
of men, so the death-bed scene of our Holy Prophet, so
well authenticated by evidence, took place in the presence of his two
cousins, Ali and Ibn-Abbas, his wives, and above all, his future great
successor, the Caliph Omar, then one of his leading companions. All this
evidence is exactly the same.
The last words of the Prophet were "Companionship
on High."
Monday,
22 October 2001
The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by
the ignorance of Islam"
PARIS - He is one of the spiritual
leaders of Islam who best knows the land and the people of Central Asia, the
area which holds the world in suspense. He is the Imam,
the religious leader and guide of the Ishamilite, whose communities are
spread in various countries of Asia and Africa, but also in Europe and in
North America. Throughout Iran, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan and West
China, there are more than five million Ishmaelite. ......
"I
think that monotheistic religions, having an analogous belief in an only
God, should and must dialogue. The three religions which Abraham
inspired have many more common facets than those which divide them.
Religion must be a means by which to
affirm the ethical significance of existence, irrelevant of one's faith. If
we want social development, to meet halfway, to dialogue, peace, we cannot
neglect ethics and the impact which education and culture have on social
growth."
[emphasis added, navali]
KHUSHIALI
MUBARAK TO ALL MY ISMAILI AND MUSLIM BRETHREN ON THE MOST HOLY AND
AUSPICIOUS OCCASION OF THE IMAMATE
DAY
ANNIVERSARY -- IN ISLAM AND THE ISMAILI
TARIQAH --
JULY 11, 2003
Islam
is for muslims *al--Haqq — the
Truth*
HOW,
WHEN AND WHERE WAS
JESUS
PUT TO
[i]. DEATH
AND
[ii]. HANGED
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOD'S PRECISE COMMAND?
Deuteronomy
21:22 (KJVSL) ....
and he be to be put to
[i]. DEATH <muwth>,
_A_N_D_ thou
[ii]. HANGED <talah> <8518>
him on a tree <`ets>:
Deuteronomy
21:23 (KJVSL) ... (for he that is [ii].
HANGEDED <talah>
<8518> is accursed <q@lalah> of God
<'elohiym>;)
2-two separate
acts were REQUIRED
to follow
one AFTER the other
-
first slaying him i.e.,
punishment for the living
-
and
then suspending him i.e., ignominy for the dead
NOW IF the
lord god's precise command & the mosaic law and prophecy were FULFILLED
in jesus, the christ then :
HOW,
WHEN AND WHERE WAS
JESUS
PUT TO
[i]. DEATH
AND
[ii]. HANGED
i.
that said, how did jesus die?
ii. how many times did he die, if more than once?
iii. in how many places did he die, if more than one?
salaamun
alaykum, shalom, peace be upon you and ya ali madad
rest assured, if there was one thing that
had divided the jewish, the christian and the muslim worlds right in the
middle for all these centuries past, it was jesus' unfathomable
divinity/trinity and the above controversy.
continued
plain difference
- conglomeration -
or simply confusion?
let the biblical facts speak for
themselves
ii. Luke 23:32 (KJV) And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to
death <anaireo>.
337. anaireo
Search for G337 in KJVSL
anairew anaireo an-ahee-reh'-o
from 303 and (the active of) 138; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to
take away (violently), i.e.
abolish, murder:--put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.
Luke 23:33 (KJVSL) And when they were come to the place which is called Calvary there they
Crucified <stauroo>
<4717> him and the malefactors one on the right hand and the other on the left.
Luke 23:39 (KJVSL) And one of the malefactors which were
hanged <kremannumi>
#: 2910 railed on him saying If thou be Christ <Christos>, save thyself and us
.
the above makes sense only if
jesus and the other 2 malefactors were first crucified and then hanged - as per the mosaic law. allow me to quote the same again.
'2 separate acts'
- first slaying him -- the living,
- and then suspending
him-- the dead.
| Deuteronomy 21:22 (DBY) And if a man have committed a sin worthy of
death,
i. and he be put to death, [punishment
for the living, navali]
ii. and thou have hanged him on a tree,
[punishment for the dead - his corpse,
navali]
|
|
Deuteronomy 21:22 (KJVSL) And if a man <'iysh> have committed a sin <chet'> worthy of <mishpat>
death <maveth>,
i. and he be to be put to death <muwth>,
[punishment for the living, navali]
ii. and thou hang <talah> him on a tree <`ets>:
[punishment for the dead - his corpse,
navali] |
| |
|
|
| Deuteronomy 21:23 (DBY) his body shall not remain all night
upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise
bury him that day
(for he that is hanged is a curse of God); and thou shalt not defile thy land, which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. |
|
Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJVSL) His body shall
not remain all night upon the tree <`ets>,
but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged <talah>
<8518>
is accursed <q@lalah> of God <'elohiym>;) that thy
land be not defiled which the LORD <Y@hovah> thy God <'elohiym>
giveth thee for an inheritance. |
what we have here are 2 separate acts
of punishment namely- 'slaying and hanging'.
-
'and he be to be put
to death <muwth>,' - [punishment
for the living];
-
'and thou hang <talah>
<8518> him on a tree <`ets>' - [punishment
for the dead].
'but thou shalt in any wise
bury him that day'
the lord god of israel had commanded
precisely as above.
to the undiscerning western mind and reader, the acts
10:39 may appear to be an exact fulfillment of the above prophecy. but
according to barnes [see above/below] it was neither the truth nor a true
rendering of the greek text.
GUIDING, CORRUPTING AND/OR
DISTORTING THE NEW TESTAMENT
3
crosses
[foi
article dated january/february 2002]
navali: meaning
-
IN
THE NAME OF THE CRUCIFIED
GOD, THE
FATHER
AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD,
THE SON
AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD,
THE HOLY GHOST
CONVERTING THE MONOTHEISTIC ISRAELITES TO A 'NON-CHRISTIAN'
TRITHEISTIC CULT.
[see
also 
Israel
My Glory
says
the self-proclaimed jackass
of the christian world:
balaam's
ass speaks journal
1. The Word of God
is 100% without error in the Words 
and thoughts in the Textus
Receptus of the Greek,
and in the last Bible for this age, The King James Bible 1611. God's
preservation of His Word today is as absolute and supernatural as the
inspiration of the original manuscripts.
Editor and Jack
Ass in General:
Steve
Van Nattan [http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/believe.htm]
THINGS IN GENERAL
proof
Acts 10:39 (KJVSL) And we are witnesses <martus> of all things which
he did both in the land of the Jews
<Ioudaios>, and in Jerusalem <Hierousalem>;
whom they slew <anaireo>
<337> and hanged
<kremannumi> <2910>
on a tree <xulon>:
Barnes Ac 10:39
Verse 39. And we are witnesses. We who are apostles. Cmt. on Lu 24:48.
In the land of the Jews. In the country of Judea.
Whom they slew, etc. Our translation would seem to imply that there were
two separate acts
-
first slaying him,
-
and then suspending him.
-
But this is neither according to truth nor to the Greek text.
-
The original is simply, "whom they put to death,
-
suspending him on a tree."
scripture text altered
greek text and strong's numerical value
let the facts speak for themselves.
in the original greek version, there is no
conjunction 'kaiv Kai
(kahee)' between the 2 words, 'ANEILON
KREMASANTEV'.
they are not even separated by a comma.
ANEILON KREMASANTEV -- SLEW HANGING
kaiv Kai
(kahee); Conjunction, Strong's
Number #: 2532
and, also, even, indeed, but
whom
[3739]
hos
slew
[337]
anaireo
hanged
[2910]
kremannumi
COMPARE
1. acts 10:39
whom [3739]
they <???, add - navali]
slew [337]
AND <????, add- navali>
hanged [2910]
[kjv]
2. addition - pronoun - 'him'
THE
ACTS 10:39 They did away with
Him, hanging Him.
<????, navali>
tfg: (39) whom they
SLEW, HANGING
him.
the context and connotation changed
gill nt: whom the Jews put to death; .... and who not content with any
death, desired he might be
crucified, or
hanged on a
tree; partly because of the pain and torture of it, and partly because
OF THE SHAME AND IGNOMINY THAT ATTENDED IT;
compare
3, modern kjv: Ac 10:39 whom they killed
_B_Y_ hanging.
compare
Acts 10:39 kai
<2532> {AND} hmeiV <2249>
{WE} esmen <2070> (5748) {ARE} martureV
<3144> {WITNESS} pantwn <3956>
{OF ALL THINGS} wn <3739> {WHICH} epoihsen
<4160> (5656) {HE DID} en <1722>
{BOTH} te <5037> {IN} th
<3588> {THE} cwra <5561>
{COUNTRY} twn <3588> {OF THE} ioudaiwn
<2453> {JEWS} kai
<2532> {AND} en <1722>
{IN} ierousalhm <2419> {JERUSALEM;} on
<3739> {WHOM} aneilon <337>
(5627) {THEY PUT TO DEATH} kremasanteV <2910>
(5660) {HAVING HANGED
[HIM]} epi <1909>
{ON} xulou <3586> {A TREE.}
compare
| compare
BiblePro
Acts 10:39 (TR) kai;
hJmei'ß
mavrtureß
pavntwn
wJ'n
ejpoivhsen
e~n te
th'/
cwvra/
tw'n
#Ioudaivwn
kai;
ÍejnÑ
#Ierousalhvm:
oJ;n
kai;
ajnei'lan
kremavsanteß
ejpi;
xuvlou.
|
|
BiblePro
Ac
10:39 And <2532> we
<2249> are <2070> witnesses
<3144> of all things <3956>
which <3739> he did
<4160> both <5037> in
<1722> the land <5561>
of the Jews, <2453> and
<2532> in <1722> Jerusalem;
<2419> whom <3739> they
slew <337> and
<????> hanged
<2910> on
<1909> a tree: <3586> |
|
GREEK
NEW TESTAMENT
ACTS10:39 kai
hmeis martures pantwn wn epoihsen en te th cwra twn
ioudaiwn kai
| | [en] | ierousalhm on kai
aneilan kremasantes epi xulou |
|
SwordSearcher
4 Acts 10:39 (KJVSL) And <kai> we <hemeis> are <esmen> witnesses <martus> of all things <pas> which <hos> he did <poieo> both <te> in <en> the land <chora> of the Jews <Ioudaios>,
and <kai> in <en> Jerusalem <Hierousalem>; whom <hos> they
slew <anaireo> and<???>
hanged <kremannumi> on <epi> a tree <xulon>: |
|
compare
SwordSearcher
4 version 1: Acts 10:39 (TR) kai
hmeiV esmen martureV pantwn wn epoihsen en te th cwra twn ioudaiwn kai
en ierousalhm on ANEILON
KREMASANTEV epi xulou
|
|
compare
BiblePro
version 2: Ac 10:39 kai
hmeiV martureV pantwn wn epoihsen en te th cwra twn ioudaiwn kai
ierousalhm on kai
aneilan
kremasanteV epi xulou
|
so which of these versions could we really
trust when the bible is at the mercy of its translators?
regardless, he was suspended first and then
killed. if true, this form of punishment was exactly opposite of what the lord god of israel had
commanded. in this manner, the said prophecy/command was abrogated.
but did not jesus say:
Matthew 5:17 (KJV) 'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to
fulfil'?
although the high priests, the chief priests
and the jews demanded his
crucifixion and death, according to the
4 gospels, this divine law or command
was not followed in jesus' case at all.
rather, it is said that he died within hours
after the said cruci_FICTion. whereas, the 2 malefactors were deliberately killed, for
important judaic reasons cited in the gospels.
however, none of these were then hanged in
accordance with the mosaic law after their death. they were simply taken down
from the cross. and jesus himself was laid in the sepulchre instead.
John 19:41 (KJV) Now in the place where
he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
John 19:42 (KJV) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
regardless of how we look at this issue -
something does not seem or sound right here. the said divine/mosaic law was abrogated by the very people who were
clamoring for his life.
conglomeration or simply confusion?
kremavnnumi Kremannumi
(krem-an'-noo-mee); Verb, Strong #: 2910
- to hang up, suspend
- to be suspended, to hang
- used of one hanging on a cross
staurovw
Stauroo (stow-ro'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 4717
-
to stake, drive down stakes
-
to fortify with driven stakes, to
palisade
-
to crucify
-
to crucify one
-
metaph. to crucify the flesh,
destroy its power utterly (the nature of the figure
implying that the destruction is attended with intense
pain)
please note that the author of Luke
23:21,32 also gives us a DIFFERENT version of the events elsewhere. it must be recalled that luke was neither a follower
nor disciple
of jesus.
according to his own admission, he was merely compiling
various oral traditions that had been passed down from the first witnesses or that
which was BELIEVED among them. see luke 1:1-4; acts 1:1-5.
yet, there is no unanimity on this
issue or his reporting thereof. on the contrary, each account is as
different as the next one cited by the same author namely luke, the
gospel writer and paul's physician and fellow traveller.
Colossians 4:14 (KJV) Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
Colossians 4:18 (KJV) The salutation by the hand of me Paul.
Col 4:14
Col 4:14. Luke; probably the same Luke who wrote the Gospel which bears his name, and the book of the Acts. He went with the apostle to Rome, as appears from his account of the voyage, in which he uses language which includes himself as one of the company. (Ac 27:1-2.)
flagrant inconsistencies
proof
|
1. crucified <prospegnumi>
_a_n_d_ slain <anaireo>
2. slew
<anaireo> _a_n_d_
hanged
<kremannumi> |
|
killed <anaireo>
or crucified ?? |
| Acts 2:23 (KJVSL) Him being delivered by the determinate
counsel and foreknowledge of God <theos>, ye have taken and by wicked
hands have crucified <prospegnumi> and
slain <anaireo>:
Barnes
Ac 10:39 Whom they slew, etc. Our translation would seem to imply that there were
two separate acts--
- first slaying him,
- and then suspending him.
Acts 10:39 whom they slew <anaireo> and hanged
<kremannumi> on a tree <xulon>: |
|
Acts 12:2 (KJVSL) And he killed <anaireo> James the brother of John
with the sword <machaira>.
Acts 16:27 (KJVSL) And the keeper of the prison
.... he drew out his sword <machaira>,
and would have killed <anaireo> himself
Acts 7:28 (KJVSL) Wilt thou kill <anaireo> me as thou
[moses] diddest <anaireo> the Egyptian yesterday? |
| |
|
|
| Matthew 2:16 (KJV/SL) Then Herod, and sent forth,
and slew <anaireo> all the children that were in Bethlehem
Acts 5:36 (KJVSL) .. to whom a number of men about
four hundred joined themselves who was slain <anaireo>; |
|
Acts 26:10 (KJVSL) Which thing I also did in Jerusalem
and many of the saints did I shut up in prison having received authority from the chief priests and when they were put to
death <anaireo>, I gave my voice against them. |
| the old testament prophecy |
|
the old testament prophecy fulfilled |
| Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJVSL) His body shall not remain all night
upon the tree <`ets>, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day
(for he that is hanged <talah> is accursed of God <'elohiym>;)
written-- (De 21:23). Christ's bearing the particular curse of
hanging on the tree, is a sample of the "general" curse...
which He representatively bore. Not that the Jews put to death malefactors by hanging; but
after having put them to death otherwise, in order to brand them with peculiar ignominy,
they hung the bodies on a tree,
Matthew 18:6 (KJVSL) it were better for him that a millstone
were hanged <kremannumi> about
his neck <trachelos>, and that he were drowned in the depth
of the sea. |
|
Acts 5:30 (KJVSL) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom ye
slew <diacheirizomai> and
hanged <kremannumi> on a
tree <xulon>.
Acts 13:29 (KJVSL) And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him they took him down from
the tree <xulon>, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Acts 10:39 (KJVSL) And we are witnesses of all things which
he did both in the land of the Jews
and in Jerusalem
whom they slew < anaireo> and hanged
<kremannumi> on a tree <xulon>:
Barnes Ac 10:39
Whom they slew, etc. Our translation would seem to imply that there were
two separate acts--
- first slaying him,
- and then suspending him.
|
Numbers 15:35 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall
stone him with stones
without the
camp.
John 8:7 (KJV) So when they continued asking him, he
[jesus] lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first
cast a stone at
her.
John 10:31 (KJV) Then the Jews took up stones again to
stone him.
Joh 10:31
Verse 31. The Jews took up stones. Stoning was the punishment of a
blasphemer, Le 24:14-16. They considered him guilty of blasphemy because he made himself equal with God, Joh 10:33
Again. They had before plotted against his life (Joh 5:16,18) and once at least they had taken up
stones to destroy
him, Joh 8:59.
{f} "The Jews" Joh 8:59
meaning: there were
several other ways of killing someone besides the crucifixion. so why was
only one of these means used in the case of jesus? WHY WAS HE NOT
HANGED AFTER HIS DEATH and before his burial, in accordance with the
divine/mosaic law?
-
'and he be to be put
to death <muwth>,' - [punishment
for the living];
-
'and thou hang <talah>
<8518> him on a tree <`ets>' - [punishment
for the dead].
'but thou shalt in any wise
bury him that day'
and as such, how could
the original writers and editors of the new testament still find fulfillment
of the mosaic prophecy/cies in jesus?
the god's COMMAND : edited and watered
down
by the christian writers and editors of the new testament.
compare
| THE DIVINE CURSE: 'is accursed of God <'elohiym>' |
|
GENERAL
CURSE[?] - 'Cursed <epikataratos> [is] every one'
|
| Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJVSL) His body shall not remain all night
upon the tree <`ets>, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day
(for he that is hanged <talah> is accursed of God <'elohiym>;)
|
|
Galatians
3:13 (KJVSL) Christ .... being made a curse <katara> for us : for
it is written, Cursed <epikataratos> [is] every one
that hangeth
<kremannumi> on a tree <xulon>:
|
written-- (De 21:23). Christ's bearing the particular curse of
hanging on the tree, is a sample of the
"general"
curse...
which He representatively bore.
THIS then is the real
difference between the original prophecy namely, the divine command and
its poorly 'tailored' to fit fulfillment in the new testament.
on the other hand, if the book of acts is accepted as the correct version of the events as
they transpired then the 4 gospel-accounts - dealing with only the
cruci_FICTion are all wrong and
contradictory.
after it's all said and done, how do we account for luke's
flagrant inconsistencies just cited? in other words, he had contradicted
and belied his
own gospel, which bears his name.
luke
compare
let jesus testify in
this matter as well.
your
choice #3.
'crucified
<stauroo> Strong #:
4717: in the street of the
great city -- Sodom and Egypt' -- the
testimony of Jesus Christ
Revelation 1:2 (KJV)
Who bare record of the
word of God,
and of the
testimony of Jesus Christ, ..... Revelation 11:8
(KJVSL) And their dead bodies shall
lie
in the street of the great <megas>
city* <polis>, which spiritually <pneumatikos> -
[metaphorically, or allegorically]; is called Sodom
<Sodoma> and Egypt
<Aiguptos>, where also
<kai> our Lord <kurios> was crucified
<stauroo>.
'the
great city'*
-- what did this enigmatic phrase mean and who/what did it represent in the
new testament?
for all intents and
purposes, this was another form of derision only. it was used for 'the great
city of babylon' aka 'that woman' both of which were held in sheer
contempt for the most part. see Revelation 16:19; 17:18; 18:10; 18:21.
4717.
stauroo
Search for G4717 in KJVSL
staurow stauroo stow-ro'-o
from 4716; to impale on the cross; figuratively, to extinguish (subdue)
passion or selfishness:--crucify.
1.
addition/alteration:
Re 11:8
8. dead bodies--So Vulgate, Syriac, and ANDREAS. But A, B, C, the
oldest manuscripts, and Coptic read the singular, "dead body." The two fallen in one cause are considered as one.
Re
11:8 Barnes Verse 8. And their dead bodies shall
lie in the street. Professor Stuart,
"Shall be in the street." The words "shall
lie" are supplied by the translators,
but not improperly. The literal rendering would be, "and their
corpses upon the street of the great city;"
2.
omission:
JFB
the oldest manuscripts omit
"the great" before city, so that
it forms no exception.
3.
interpretation:
Re 11:8
8. dead bodies--So Vulgate, Syriac, and ANDREAS. But A, B, C, the oldest manuscripts, and Coptic read the singular, "dead body." The two fallen in one cause are considered as one.
the great city--eight times in the Revelation elsewhere used of BABYLON (Re 14:8; 16:19; 17:18; 18:10,16,18-19,21). In Re 21:10
COF
- Of the great city ...
"This phrase never
refers to Jerusalem." F50 What
does it mean?
Re 11:8
The great city; the seat of the persecuting power; supposed to be Rome, or places distinguished for wickedness under her control.
Re 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the 13street of the great city,
13. That is, openly at Rome:
'the
great city'* -- what did
this enigmatic phrase mean and who/what did it represent in the new testament?
for all intents and purposes,
this was another form of derision only. it was used for 'the great city of
babylon' aka 'that woman' both of which were held in sheer contempt for
the most part. see Revelation 16:19; 17:18; 18:10; 18:21.
however, was jesus ever crucified in the great city of babylon, sodom or egypt?
and yet, we have a
scripture text which actually states that - as per the testimony /revelation
of jesus himself - rev 1:1,2.
but then, this is not a typical
example by any means. in fact, there are a few more contradictions in the new
testament in this particular regard.
on the other hand, in spite of
its untold atrocities, jesus never referred to jerusalem, as either 'the great
city, that woman, sodom or egypt,' etc.
we must also
note that all 4 gospels have asserted plainly that jesus was cruci_fied in
calvary or golgotha, i.e., a place of skull.
WHERE
WAS THAT PLACE OF SKULL? was it the one indicated at:
rev
11:8 [EGYPT OR SODOM]
or
heb 13:12,13 [QUMRAN-DEAD
SEA]
or
deut 23:10-12? [QUMRAN DEAD SEA]
was
it within jerusalem?
or just outside the city limits?
Qumran
the epistle of hebrews by paul or barnabas
what is more important to note is that the author of hebrews 13:11-13, supposedly barnabas -- tells us that jesus was not crucified at any of the places mentioned in the 4 gospels and most certainly, NOT AT JERUSALEM either.
rather, he points to a
different location altogether. I will let Dr. Barbara Thiering shed some light
on this matter:
vi. a. The gospels say that
the place of the crucifixion was known as "the place of a
skull". This in itself indicates a graveyard, one of most striking
features of the land surrounding the Qumran* buildings
[Jesus the man,
under 'the crucifixion,' pp. 151]
The location lay
outside the southern entrance gate to the Qumran* complex ..... A new
testament verse says that Jesus suffered "outside
the gate"
and "outside
the camp" ...... (ibid. pp. 150).
The above is also verified by
another important christian source, like so:
The
site of the crucifixion: Jesus was crucified "outside the
city" (John 19:17,20; Hebrews
13:12). At a place called "the
skull" (Matthew 27:33; Mark 15:22; Luke 23:33 John 19:17) --
(Halley's Bible Handbook, under, 'Mark,' pp. 481).
The place of crucifixion
according to the said epistle:
The bodies of the animals whose blood is
brought into the sanctuary by the high priest as a sin offering are burned
outside the camp. Therefore Jesus _d_i_e_d_
outside the
gate, to sanctify
the people by his own blood. Let us go to him outside the camp ..... (Hebrews
13:11- 13).
Numbers 15:35 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall
stone him with stones
without the
camp.
Joh 10:31
Verse 31. The Jews took up stones. Stoning was the punishment of a
blasphemer, Le 24:14-16. They considered him guilty of blasphemy because he made himself equal with God, Joh 10:33.
Again. They had before plotted against his life (Joh 5:16,18) and once at least they had taken up stones to destroy him, Joh 8:59.
{f} "The Jews" Joh 8:59
It was both "outside of the gate"
and "outside the camp" phrases used for the place
where Jesus
was crucified in Heb. 13:12-13. The latter phrase means a latrine in deut
23:12 (Jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' Locations, pp. 445/46).
see also under, 'the essene quarter of jerusalem,' ['jesus
and the dead sea scrolls' - edited by James
H. Charlesworth,
pp. 214].
i.
barnes: Heb 13:12 Without the gate. Without the gate of Jerusalem, John 19:17-18.
ii. The place where he was put to death was called Golgotha, the place of a skull, and hence the Latin word which we commonly use in speaking of it, Calvary, Lu 23:33; comp.
Cmt. on Mt 27:33.
iii. Calvary, as it is now shown, is
within the walls of Jerusalem;
iv. but there is no reason to believe that is the place where the Lord
Jesus was crucified, for that was
outside of the walls of the city.
v. The precise direction from the city is not designated by the sacred writers, nor are there any historical records, or traditional marks, by which it can now be known where the exact place was. All that we know on the subject from the New Testament is, that the name was Golgotha; that the place of the
crucifixion and sepulchre were near each other; that they were
without the gate, and nigh to the city, and that they were in a frequented spot, John
19:20
Where
is Qumran*?
ix. Qumran* -- Home
of the Scrolls To get to Qumran, where the dead sea scrolls were
discovered, you hire a car in Jerusalem. ..... The road winds along the
side of the mount of Olivet, on the east side of Jerusalem, through
Bethany, and downwards towards Jericho and the Dead Sea.
Qumran, in the wilderness
of Judea, had been the place of exile of the Essenes since at least the
second century BC. ((Jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' pp. 47).
so, where and how was jesus
crucified? no one can tell us for sure.
here' another more
credible version of the whole event.
Ch.7,
"Those Versatile Essenes" Beskow quotes
from the anonymous "The crucifiction by an
eyewitness, (p.54-55), the
Essene Letter", which begins:
"I have informed you of all these things, my brethren, that you shall
indeed know that Jesus was our brother, and belonged to our Holy Order,
...."
1. The
document claims that Jesus was revived by Joseph of Arimathea &
Nicodemus using Essene healing practices.
2.
and
the youth observed with inexpressible joy that the lips of the body moved,
AND THAT IT BREATHED. he at once hastened to JESUS TO ASSIST HIM, AND HEARD
SLIGHT SOUNDS RISING FROM HIS BREAST. the FACE assumed a LIVING APPEARANCE,
and the EYES OPENED and in
astonishment gazed at the novice of our order [pp. 79]
3.
The two angels at the tomb were really Essene brothers dressed in white.
Jesus died some six
months later from the
injuries sustained during his torture.
['the
crucifixion, by an eye-witness' - second edition, chicago indo-american
book co. 1907, reprinted 1972 by health research, pomeroy, wa 99347]
"The
Crucifiction by an Eye-witness", (1907),
& 'The crucifiction and resurrection of Jesus, by an eyewitness",
(1919), & "An eyewitness
Account" (1975).
ahmadiyya movement :
5. AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE CRUCIFIXION.
Other
Books on this subject available at the London Mosque
1. JESUS IN INDIA by
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian.
2. DELIVERANCE FROM THE CROSS by
Muhammad Zafrulla Khan.
3. WHERE DID JESUS DIE? by Maulana J.
D. Shams.
4. THE TOMB OF JESUS by Sufi Matiur
Rehman.
5. AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE
CRUCIFIXION.
your
choice #4. 'Qumran:
Jesus _d_i_e_d[?]_ outside the gate'
more questions than answers
1.
He was crucified
Hebrews 13
12It's the same with Jesus. He
was crucified outside the city gates--that is where he poured
out the sacrificial blood that was brought to God's altar to cleanse his
people.
2. Jesus suffered and _d_i_e_d_
3.
Jesus _d_i_e_d_
The bodies of the
animals whose blood is brought
into the sanctuary by the high priest as a sin offering are burned outside
the camp. Therefore Jesus
_d_i_e_d_
outside
the gate, to sanctify the people by his
own blood. Let us go to him outside
the camp ..... (Hebrews
13:11- 13).
4. Jesus was put to death
Hebrews
13
12 So also Jesus
was put to death outside the town.
Then he could make the people holy by his own blood.
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For
this reason Jesus
was put to death outside
the walls, so that he might make the people holy by
his blood.
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5. Jesus also
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KJV Heb 13:12 Wherefore
Jesus <2424> also,
<2532> that he might sanctify
the people with his
own blood,
suffered <3958> without
the gate.
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Hebrews 13:12 (KJVSL)
Wherefore Jesus <Iesous>
also <kai>, that he might sanctify the people with his
own blood, suffered <pascho> without the gate.
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Hebrews 13:12 (ASV) Wherefore Jesus
also, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered
without the
gate.
note: as just seen, we more than 3 different versions
of the one and the same event. therefore, which of these versions or
translations can we rely on with absolute certainty?
Hebrews 13:12
Calvary | Encamp
| Gate | Golgotha
The
crucifixion of our Lord took place outside the city walls (Hebrews
13:11-13) and near the public thoroughfare. "This thing was not
done in a corner." (See GOLGOTHA
.)
- Golgotha
It is obvious from the evangelists that it was
some well-known spot outside the gate (Compare Hebrews
13:12), and near the city (Luke 23:26),
containing a "garden" (John 19:41),
and on a thoroughfare leading into the country.
- Hence
it is an
untenable idea that
it is embraced within the present "Church of the Holy
Sepulchre."
- The
hillock above Jeremiah's Grotto, to
the north of the city,
is in all probability the true site of Calvary.
meaning: no matter how you look at it,
the testimony of jesus plus the other biblical evidence and references just
cited, will take us through several mid-eastern countries including the
destroyed city of Sodom, 'where
<hopou> also <kai> our
<hemon> Lord <kurios> was crucified
<stauroo>'.
paul sowed the seed of discord
galatians 3:1,13 - paul cited
2-two different modes of punishment to the same audience
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#1. Galatians 3:1 (KJVSL) O foolish
Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,
before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified
<stauroo> among you? |
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Galatians
3
Galatians
3:1 foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey
the truth, <225> before whose eyes Jesus <2424> Christ
<5547> hath been evidently set forth, crucified
<4717> among you? [strong's numbers]
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compare |
| Galatians
3
method #2. Ga
3:13 Christ .... being made a curse <2671> for us: for it is
written, Cursed <1944> is every one that hangeth
<2910> on a tree: <3586>
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Galatians
3:13 (KJVSL) Christ .... being made a curse <katara> for us : for
it is written, Cursed <epikataratos> [is] every one that
hangeth
<kremannumi> on a tree <xulon>: |
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- different method of punishment |
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compare
- different method of punishment |
| Galatians
3:1 crucified
<stauroo>
<4717> among you? |
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Galatians
3:13 that hangeth
<kremannumi> <2910>
on <epi>
<1909> a tree <xulon> <3586> |
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4717.
stauroo
Search for G4717 in KJVSL
staurow stauroo stow-ro'-o
from
4716; to impale on the cross;
figuratively, to extinguish (subdue) passion or selfishness:--crucify. |
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2910.
kremannumi
Search for G2910 in KJVSL
kremannumi kremannumi krem-an'-noo-mee
a prolonged form of a primary verb; to
hang:--hang. |
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staurovw
Stauroo (stow-ro'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #:
4717
- to
stake, drive down stakes
- to fortify with driven stakes, to palisade
- to crucify
- to crucify one
- metaph. to
crucify the flesh, destroy its power utterly (the
nature of the figure implying that the destruction is attended
with intense pain)
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kremavnnumi
Kremannumi (krem-an'-noo-mee); Verb, Strong #:
2910
- to
hang up, suspend
- to
be suspended, to hang
- used
of one hanging on a cross
- Acts 5:30 (KJVSL) Jesus <Iesous>,
whom ye slew <diacheirizomai> and hanged
<kremannumi> on <epi> a tree <xulon>.
- Acts 10:39 (KJVSL) And we are witnesses <martus>....
whom <hos> they slew <anaireo> and
hanged <kremannumi> on <epi> a tree <xulon>:
- Acts 13:29 (KJVSL) they
took [him] down <kathaireo> from <apo> the tree <xulon>,
and laid [him] in a sepulchre.
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the above disputes show that the gospel
writers and all those who claimed to be witnesses of the cruci_FICTion
including jesus - were not even sure of when and how it happened. thus,
we have all kinds of inconsistencies and contradictions given in the new
testament.
The
Famed & REVERED *Holy*
Shroud of Turin
or
a *SPIRITUAL FRAUD*
*PIERCED MY HANDS _A_N_D_ _M_Y_
_F_E_E_T*_
James
H. Charlesworth
is a professor of New Testament language and literature and director of the
Dead Sea Scrolls Project at Princeton Theological Seminary. His teaching
interests include early Judaism and Christian origins, with special attention
to Jesus research. An ordained minister in the United Methodist Church, Dr.
Charlesworth has written or edited more than 50 books and 400 articles.
Q: What do you think about the authenticity
of the Shroud of Turin? Could this truly be Jesus' burial cloth?
A:
From the beginning of work on the
Shroud
of Turin I surmised that this
cloth dated from about the 13th century. It could not be taken, with
confidence, back beyond that date, and this period is one of fabricating
relics with great skill. The carbon dating tends to suggest a date not far
from that century. I wonder if it is
possible that the person on it was a Christian who was crucified in a mocking
way? I must confess that such research
belongs to others; my focus and area of specialization is the first century
C.E.
Hence, his
arms were nailed to the patibulum through the forearms and not through the
wrists, the bones of which 'were found undamaged.' It is logical to
infer, therefore, that, contrary to the customary portrayal in paintings
and biographies,' Jesus had his arms pierced and not his hands.
We should
probably translate the only two passages in the Gospels that mention of
the crucified Jesus (Lk 24, Jn 20) not as 'hands', but with Hesiod, Rufus
Medicus, and others as 'arms'. Hence, according to Jn 20, Jesus said to
Thomas, 'place your finger here and observe my arms...'
see
also under 'crucifixion and the dead sea scroll' ['jesus and the dead sea scrolls' - edited by
James
H. Charlesworth, pp.
281-282].
A Psalm of
David
Psalms 22:1 A Psalm of David. MY GOD,
MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME? why art thou so far from helping me, and
from the words of my roaring? Psalms 22:16 the assembly of the wicked have
enclosed me: THEY PIERCED MY HANDS _A_N_D_ _M_Y_
_F_E_E_T._
we
must note that the above Psalm among several others -- is quoted more
often than not to show that jesus' fate was predestined and predicted in the
former scriptures from times immemorial, as contended by jesus himself, like
so:
Luke 24:25 Then he [jesus] said unto them, O _F_O_O_L_S,_ AND SLOW OF
HEART TO BELIEVE all that the _p_r_o_p_h_e_t_s_ have spoken:
and
despite the blistering rebuke, our christian friends are still at pains to
show us a verbatim quote of the same - [THEY PIERCED MY HANDS _A_N_D_ _M_Y_
_F_E_E_T_] - in the new testament itself.
rest
assured, this is not an unreasonable request because often parallel passages
from the old and new testaments with regards(?) to the 'CHRIST -- anointed
and/or the messiah,' etc., have been cited side by side to show its
veracity or whatever.
take
for example:
i.
Psalms 22:1 -------> parallel passages ------->
Matthew
27:46; Mark 15:34
ii.
Psalms 22:18 -------> parallel passages ----> Matthew
27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:24
iii.
Deuteronomy 21:22,23 -----> parallel passage ---> Galatians
3:13
iv.
Deuteronomy 18:15,18 -----> parallel passage
----->
Acts
3:22,23
v.
Zechariah 11:12 -----> parallel passages -------> Matthew
27:3,5,9;
in
spite of the above examples, i have yet to find something in the new testament
that directly corresponds to : *THEY PIERCED MY HANDS _A_N_D_ _M_Y_ _F_E_E_T._*
H_I_S_
_S_I_D_E
a [JESUS]
SHOWED
John 20:20 And when he had so said,
he [JESUS] showed unto them [DISCIPLES] his hands
_A_N_D_ _H_I_S_ _S_I_D_E._
Then were the disciples glad,
when they saw the Lord.
b
THOMAS' DEMAND
John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him,
We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them,
Except I shall see in his hands the PRINT OF THE NAILS,
and put my finger into the PRINT OF THE NAILS,
and thrust my hand into _H_I_S_ _S_I_D_E,_ I
will not believe.
c
JESUS COMPLIED
John 20:27 Then saith he [JESUS] to Thomas,
Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands;
AND REACH HITHER THY HAND,
AND THRUST IT INTO _M_Y_ _S_I_D_E:_
and be not faithless, but believing.
if the above is the gospel truth as per
john's version, then how was the psalmist prophecy fulfilled in jesus?
compare
Psalms 22:16 the assembly of the wicked have
enclosed me: THEY PIERCED MY HANDS _A_N_D_ _M_Y_
_F_E_E_T._
jesus
makes a clear distinction between 'matter and spirit'
Luke 24:39 (KJV) Behold my hands and my feet,
that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and
bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:40 (KJV) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
NOTHING in these lucan verses suggests that
'his hands and feet' were nailed to the cross. jesus is merely comparing
himself to the spirit-ghost, that his disciples had taken him to be. he
cleared their doubts in this manner.
Luke 24:37 (KJV) But they were terrified and affrighted,
and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luke 24:38 (KJV) And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
having
said that, allow
me to present several refutations in this case. hopefully, this alone will
show how much the christian world itself is divided over an issue, which for
all practical purposes, is the foundation of the 'pauline' christianity and
the roman catholic church.
JESUS WAS NEVER CRUCIFIED
such was the the bloody stage set for the
career of the crucified of pontius pilate, whom the church confounds and
makes us confound with the REAL JESUS, [THE ESSENE
JESUS, pp. 9], who never took any part in politics and who as we
shall see, WAS
NEVER CRUCIFIED - [the essene origins of christianity, by
edmond bordeaux szekely, [pp. 39]
the said dispute continues to this day
The Cross (Greek: stauros)
Did
Jesus Die on a Cross?
reprinted from the book, Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses see catalog
The Cross (Greek: stauros) Biblical Overview
Though the Bible does not specifically describe
the instrument that Jesus died upon, tradition
has it that he was put to death on a
cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam. The Greek stauros is sometimes
used to describe a simple stake, and other times a more complex form such as
the cross.
the
crucified
figure IS NOT NAILED TO THE NORMAL
christian idea of the cross [the turin shroud], where the upright continues
through the crossbeam, BUT TO A CROSS IN THE FORM OF A JEWISH TAU WHICH IS
T-SHAPED.
medieval christian imagery shows A SECOND CROSSBEAM representing
that mockingly proclaimed jesus to be the king of the jews, BUT IT
NEVER SHOWS A TAU CROSS. ['the second messiah -
templars, THE
TURIN SHROUD & the great secret of freemansonary, christopher
knight
& robert lomas, published 1977, pp. 54,55].'
all
known medieval paintings show jesus christ being crucified with nails driven
through the _p_a_l_m_s_ of the hands, NOT THROUGH THE _W_R_I_S_T_S_ AS ON THE
SHROUD ['the second messiah - templars, the TURIN SHROUD & the
great secret of the freemasonry pp. 197]
The arm bones of the victim
revealed a deep scratch on the radius of the right forearm while the bone was
living, just above the wrist produced by a nail penetrating between the radius
and the ulna. Christian paintings
usually show the nails piercing the palms of Jesus' hands, but that is
impossible. The weight of the slumping
body would have torn the palms in a very short time. The nails were driven
into the victim's wrists, because they are sufficiently strong to hold the
weight of a slack body. We also know his name. On the ossuary is his name: "Yehohanan,
the son of Hagakol."
if this is the case, and it is then how
could anyone defend such hypothesis let alone follow it as the fundamental
pillar of the pauline christianity and an absolute means of your salvation?
details given below.
please
consider the following accounts in their totality:
obviously, it is
impossible to conclude that jesus and
jehohannan
were crucified in exactly the same manner
jehohannan
was crucified closer to the time of jesus' own crucifixion.
.. finally let us return to the issues raised by the appearance of the tlh
in the dead sea scrolls. scholars have wrestled with this verb often
PRESUPPOSING that crucifixion was by means of nailing a victim to
wood.
now,
we LEARN from anthropological
examinations
of the bones of jehohannan that he was 'HUNG' by his arms from horizontal
bar or a TREE.
any
remaining problems with translating
tlh to denote crucifixion should now be removed ['jesus and the dead sea scrolls' - edited by
James
H. Charlesworth, pp. 283-284].
AN
'EYE-WITNESS' ACCOUNT
RELATED ONLY 7--SEVEN PASSOVERS--YEARS AFTER THE EVENT -- by a personal
friend of jesus in jerusalem to an ESSEER [ESSENE] brother in _a_l_e_x_a_n_d_r_i_a._
'FOR
THIS WAS _N_O_T_ CUSTOMARY'
in
fine, jesus was admitted into the order - [essene, navali] - at the same
time with john in the years of their manhood. .... my dear brethren, you may
all have been convinced that he has been a member of our
order, as well by
the doctrines he has taught the people, and his signs of recognition,
especially the baptism and the breaking of the bread and passing of the
wine, as well as by his being baptized by one of our brethren john, in
jordon, near the shore of the dead sea, in a westerly direction--for
baptism, as you know, has been, since time immemorial, a sacred institution
of our brotherhood. [pp. 36]
i
tell you only of the things i know, and i have seen it all with mine own
eyes and have take deep interest and an active part in all these transactions.
.... now,
at the time i write this to you the jews have seven times eaten of the lamb
of the passover since our brother was crucified, ... [pp.
38/39]
they then laid hold of jesus and, lifting him up, placed him on the short stake which is always put in front of each cross, that the body of the criminal may rest there
WHILE BEING TIED.
i. THEY TIED THE ARMS
ii. AS USUAL with strong cords,
and so tightly ...
iii. in the same manner
THEY _T_I_E_D_ HIS FEET .....
i.
after this they drove through his hands thick iron nails,
ii.
BUT _N_O_N_E_ THROUGH HIS FEET, FOR THIS WAS _N_O_T_ CUSTOMARY.
iii. i note this particularly, my dear brethren,
inasmuch as IT HAS BEEN RUMORED
iv.
that he was nailed through both his hands and his _f_e_e_t_ [pp.
60]
['the crucifixion, by an eye-witness' - second edition, chicago
indo-american book co. 1907, reprinted 1972 by health research, pomeroy, wa
99347].
ahmadiyya
movement:
5. AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE CRUCIFIXION.
please
note again:
i.
after this they drove through his hands thick iron nails,
ii.
BUT _N_O_N_E_ THROUGH HIS FEET, FOR THIS WAS _N_O_T_ CUSTOMARY.
see how strong, forceful,
precise and concise this statement is. the author goes to some length to give
an explicit reason for the same.
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