i beg to differ with the latter half of the commentary because both salem [a northern city of samaria] and jerusalem [a southern city of judea], were not only well known by this time but also they were at least 40 miles apart from each other. 

• therefore, why did moses, david and/or their lord god;

• and the author of hebrews ;

• maintain such a clear distinction between the 2 places for several millenniums;

• and also during the compilation of the old and new testaments?

the noted experts on the bible and individuals concerned had no immediate answers! they were visibly shaken and uncomfortable with this analysis, valid questions and above all and their absolute inability to answer.

a FEARFUL,  foul-mouthed AND DRUNK individual, chris at the 'foi' booth in calgary alberta, reacted adversely and also tried to assault me physically.  he claimed that i was corrupting their faith by asking him/them such bible based questions! 

so what can i say?

known/suppressed biblical and historical facts

 Melchisedec <Malkiy-Tsedeq>, king of Salem <Shalem>

Genesis 14:18

And Melchizedek king of Salem .... and he [was] the priest <kohen> <imam> of the most high God. !wyla 'elyown (el-yone');  , Strong #: 5945 adj Highest, Most High name of God of rulers, either monarchs or angel-princes

5946

`elyown el-yone'

(Aramaic) corresponding to ''elyown' (5945); the Supreme:--Most high.

the LORD <Y@hovah>, the most high <'elyown> God <'el> <al-aliyyun>

Genesis 14:18 (KJVSL) And Melchizedek <Malkiy-Tsedeq> king <melek> of Salem <Shalem> ...  and he was the priest <kohen> <imam>  of the most high <'elyown> God <'el> <al-aliyyun>. Genesis 14:19 (KJVSL) And he blessed <barak> him, and said Blessed <barak> be Abram of the most high <'elyown> God <'el>, possessor of heaven and earth : Genesis 14:20 (KJVSL) And blessed <barak> be the most high <'elyown> God <'el> <al-aliyyun>., And he gave him tithes of all. Genesis 14:22 (KJVSL) And Abram said ...  I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD <Y@hovah>, the most high <'elyown> God <'el> <al-aliyyun>, the possessor of heaven and earth.

Hebrews 7:1 (KJVSL) For this  Melchisedec <Melchisedek>, king of Salem <Salem>, priest <hiereus> <kohen> <imam>  of the most high <hupsistos> God <theos> [El Elyon--al-aliyyun], who met Abraham ... and blessed him ; Hebrews 7:2 (KJVSL) To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part <dekate> of all  first being by interpretation <hermeneuo> King of righteousness and after that also King of Salem <Salem>, which is King of peace <eirene>

Aliyyun in the holy qur'an

            42:51.  innahu Aliyyun hakeemun--for He is Most High, Most Wise.

         2:255. Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. and he is  ALIYYUL azim [the most high great] - Allahu la ilaha illa huwa alhayyu alqayyoomu -- wa huwal ALIYYUL azim

            4:34.   innallaaha kaana Aliyyan kabiiraa - surely Allah is ever High, Great.
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do you see why it is important to READ the holy qur'an in arabic only?

  God of Abraham

How Abraham Discovered God

The Ugaritic texts were written ca. 1400 BCE. They were discovered in modern Syria. Abraham discovered God in Haran, Syria, and then moved to Canaan.

Faulk and Scott: Genesis Apocryphon: 1Q20
... [3] Most High, Great Lord ... Abraham settles near the oak of Ogyges. ... Fitzmyer, J. 1966. The Genesis Apocryphon Of Qumran Cave I . Pontifical Biblical Institute: pgs ...

Heb 7:2
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all. Tithes were paid to him as priest of the Most High.
King of righteousness. Such is the meaning of Melchizedek. The word may not be the name, but a title.

King of Salem. This means "King of Peace." It will be observed that the payment of tithes for religious purposes is at least 400 years older than the Jewish law. See also Ge 28:22.   

Heb 7:2
King of righteousness; this is the meaning of the Hebrew word Melchisedec. Salem; that is, peace; Melchisedec was therefore in his own name and that of his city a fit type of the righteous Prince of peace, Isa 9:6; 11:4-5; 32:1.

Ge 14:18
1 Melchizedek 2 most high God
Margin: Melchizedek
Margin: Salem

1 Melchizedek

1 Melchizedek, type of Christ the King-Priest. ... Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek, as King of righteousness, King of peace Isa 11:4-9; Heb 7:2 and in the endlessness of his priesthood; but the Aaronic priesthood typifies His priestly work.

(1) The first revelation of this name (Ge 14:8) indicates its distinctive meanings. Abram, returning from his victory over the confederated kings Ge 14:1-17 is met by Melchizedek, King of Salem. . . the "priest of the most high God" (El Elyon), who blesses Abram in the name of El Elyon, "possessor of heaven and earth." .... but when the King of Sodom offered other of that spoil to Abram, his answer was; "I have lift up mine hand unto the Lord Jehovah, the most high God El-Elyon, the possessor of heaven and earth, ...Ge 14:18-23.

(a) The Lord (Jehovah) is know to a Gentile king (Melchizedek) by the name "most high god" El Elyon);

(a) the heavenly authority of El Elyon (e.g. Da 4:35,37; Isa 14:13-14; Mt 28:18

(b) the earthly authority of El Elyon (e.g). De 32:8; Ps 9:2-5; 21:7; 47:2-4; 56:2; 82:6; 83:16-18; 91:9-12; 2Sa 22:14-15; Da 5:18

Margin: Melchizedek Meaning King of Righteousness. Cf. Heb 7:2.

Margin: Salem Meaning Peace. Cf. Heb 7:2

[the new american bible, saint joseph edition, pp. 33]

 

IMPORTANT

1.     THE NORTHERN  CITY OF  'SALEM'      

[separated by a distance of 40 miles]

2. THE OLD SOUTHERN CITY OF JERUSALEM

 

jerusalem's first mention  in the bible occurs @

Joshua 10:1 (KJVSL) Now it came to pass, when Adonizedek <'Adoniy-Tsedeq> king <melek> of Jerusalem <Y@ruwshalaim> had heard  how Joshua had taken  Ai  and had utterly destroyed it; as he had done to Jericho and her king so he had done to Ai and her king  and how the inhabitants  of Gibeon had made peace <shalam> with Israel , and were among them; Joshua 10:3 (KJVSL) Wherefore Adonizedek <'Adoniy-Tsedeq> king <melek> of Jerusalem <Y@ruwshalaim> ... 

Joshua 15:63 (KJV) As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out: but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.

Jerusalem, which is Jebus

1 Chronicles 11:4 (KJV) And David and all Israel went to Jerusalem, which is Jebus; where the Jebusites were, the inhabitants of the land.

yowby Y@buwciy (yeb-oo-see');  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 2983 Jebusite = "descendants of Jebus" descendants of the 3rd son of Canaan who lived in or around the site of Jebus, the early name for Jerusalem

for all practical purposes, jerusalem must have DERIVED its name from the city of jebusite [genesis 15:21] and the peace treaty - 'had made peace <shalam>'

whereas, the scriptural history of "Salem" begins when Abraham, the 'hebrew--foreigner' [genesis 14:13] meets  another foreigner in the person of the canaanite king and priest "Melchizedek" (king of justice) about 2000 BC. 

however, Melchizedek , the king of  "Salem"  [Genesis 14:18]; was also a pre-eternal divine being with an endless priesthood - [psalms 110; hebrews 7:1-3.] if so, when did he become the king of "Salem"? when was the city of  "Salem" built? and who built it?

these simple biblical facts suggest that the history of  Melchizedek & "Salem"  goes well beyond the pages and history of the bible per se.

on the other hand, david conquered 'jerusalem' by defeating the jebusites in 1052 BCE (chronicles 1 11:4-9), nearly 3000 years ago. in other words, its scriptural history only began during the respective reign of joshua and david.

Jebusites

The Jebusites were the inhabitants of Jebus, known today as Jerusalem. The Israelites encountered the Jebusites when they crossed the The Jordan River into the Promised Land under Joshua, however Jerusalem remained under Jebusite control for many years until it was decisively captured by King David.

scripture linkage with islam

well

DID HE [THE BIBLICAL GOD - ELOHIM], PAY HOMAGE TO ALLAH AND ALSO WORSHIP HIM?

Psalms 84:1 (KJV)  How amiable [are] thy tabernacles, O LORD <hwhy>  of hosts! 2 My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD <hwhy>:  my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living <chay> God <'el>.. 3  [even] thine altars, O LORD <Y@hovah> of hosts <tsaba'>, my King <melek>, and my God <'elohiym>. 4 Blessed [are] they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. 5 Blessed [is] the man whose strength [is] in thee; in whose heart [are] the ways [of them]. 

Psalms 84:6 (KJVSL) Who passing through the valley <`emeq> of Baca <Baka'> <baka'> <1056> make  it a well <ma`yan>; the rain > also filleth the pools <B@rakah>.

akb Baka' (baw-kaw');  Proper Name Location, Strong #: 1056

Baca = "weeping"

1. a valley in Palestine

Psalms 84:5 (WEB) Blessed are those whose strength is in you; Who have set their hearts <lebab> on a PILGRIMAGE <m@cillah> <4546>.

!y[m Ma`yan (mah-yawn');  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 4599 4599. ma`yan Search for H4599 in KJVSL Nyem ma`yan mah-yawn' or ma ynow (Psa. 114:8) {mah-yen-o'}; or (feminine) ma yanah {mah-yaw-naw'}; from 5869 (as a denominative in the sense of a spring); a fountain (also collectively), figuratively, a source (of satisfaction):--fountain, spring, well. hllom M@cillah (mes-il-law');  Noun Feminine, Strong #: 4546

 

divine manifestations

well

fountain of water - well

'Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi'

divine blessing: hagar's  seed

Genesis 16:7 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. Genesis 16:8 (KJV) And he said, Hagar, Genesis 16:10 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, .... Genesis 16:11 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 

according to the bible, 'all his brethren' - were isaac, his sons and their descendants, the children of israel.

Genesis 16:12 (KJV) ; and he shall dwell in the presence of 'all his brethren. '

divine blessing: the well, hagar, ishmael

'Thou God seest me'

Genesis 16:13 (KJV) And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?  Genesis 16:14 (KJV) Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered. 

883. B@'er la-Chay Ro'iy
Search for H883 in KJVSL
yar yxl rab B@'er la-Chay Ro'iy be-ayr' lakh-ah'ee ro-ee'

from 875 and 2416 (with prefix) and 7203; well of a living (One) my Seer; Beer-Lachai-Roi, a place in the Desert:--Beer-lahai-roi.

III. The name which this gave to the place: Beer-lahai-roi, The well of him that liveth and seeth me, Ge 16:14. It is probable that Hagar put this name upon it; and it was retained long after, in perpetuam rei memoriam--a lasting memorial of this event. This was a place where the God of glory manifested the special cognizance and care he took of a poor woman in distress. Note, 1. He that is all-seeing is ever-living; he lives and sees us.

priority

hagar's blessed seed and abram's son

Genesis 16:8 (KJV) And he said, Hagar, Genesis 16:10 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, genesis 16:15 (kjv) and hagar bare abram a son: and abram called his  son's name, which hagar bare, ishmael. genesis 16:16 (kjv) and abram was fourscore and six years old, when hagar bare ishmael to abram.

the lord god's very first promise [genesis 15:1-4] to abraham was fulfilled in ishmael 13-14 years before the birth of his 2nd son  isaac. the lord god also changed his name to 'abraham' after the birth of his eldest son ishmael.

as the biblical dispensation progressed, the lord god brought the ishmaelites in the forefront. jesus conveyed this message very clearly to his handpicked disciples. paul, too could not hide these facts forever. see details below.

Isaiah 42:8 (KJV) I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:9 (KJV) Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. Isaiah 42:10 (KJV) Sing unto the LORD a new song, ...  

Kedar

Isaiah 42:11 (KJV) Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 

'And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water'

well

Genesis 21:17 (KJV) And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Genesis 21:18 (KJV) Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. 

Genesis 21:19 (KJV) And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. 

Genesis 21:20 (KJV) And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. Genesis 21:21 (KJV) And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. 

6290. Pa'ran
Search for H6290 in KJVSL
Nrap Pa'ran paw-rawn'
from 6286; ornamental; Paran, 
a desert of Arabia:--Paran

Galatians 4:22 (KJV) For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. Galatians 4:24 (KJV) Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, ... which is Agar.  

Galatians 4:25 (KJV) For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia,

well

divine manifestations

Genesis 16:13 (KJV) And she [hagar] called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?  Genesis 16:14 (KJV) Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi;

the divine significance of  'water'

Jeremiah 2:12 (KJV) Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 2:13 (KJV) For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jeremiah 17:13 (KJV) O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

50: 9. And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops, 

25:48. And He it is Who sendeth the winds, glad tidings heralding His mercy, 
and We send down purifying water from the sky, 25:54. And He it is Who hath created man from water, 
and hath appointed for him 
kindred by blood 
and kindred by marriage; 
for thy Lord is ever Powerful. 

qur'anic fulfillment in the holy prophet's lifetime and family -- household--ahl al-baiyt [pbuth]. 

purified

33:33. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. 33:34. And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware. 
Pickthal's Quran Translation

33. 33:
C3715. Ahl al-Bait: i.e. the household of the Prophet (S.A.S) ..... as well as his daughter Fatima, his son-in-law Ali and his grandsons, Hasan and Husain generally in accordance with the narrative of Umm Salama.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

fulfillment in history

Monday, 22 October 2001

     The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by the ignorance of Islam".

   
His Highness, the Aga Khan, is the 49th direct descendant of Mohammad, through Ali, his cousin who married Fatima, the Prophet's daughter.  

 The leader is the 49th descendant of Mohammad, one of the principal spiritual leaders of Muslim Shi'ites: 

"I think that monotheistic religions, having an analogous belief in an only God, should and must dialogue. The three religions which Abraham inspired have many more common facets than those which divide them.

 

'The LORD..... he shined forth from mount Paran'
hagar - sinai - paran - ishmael

Deuteronomy 33:1 (KJV) And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. Deuteronomy 33:2 (KJV) And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Habakkuk 3:3 (KJV) God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

 

the lord god will descend in the 'land of kedar' as a 'man of war'

Isaiah 42:12 (KJV) Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:13 (KJV) The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. Isaiah 42:14 (KJV) I have long time holden my peace; 

6938. Qedar
Search for H6938 in KJVSL
rdq Qedar kay-dawr'

from 6937; dusky (of the skin or the tent); Kedar, a son of Ishmael; also (collectively) Bedouin (as his descendants or representatives):--Kedar.

well

akb Baka' (baw-kaw');  Proper Name Location, Strong #: 1056

Baca = "weeping"

1. a valley in Palestine

Psalms 84:6 (KJVSL) Who passing through the valley <`emeq> of Baca <Baka'> <baka'> make  it a well <ma`yan>; the rain > also filleth the pools <B@rakah>.

    1.    Psalm 84:6

Baca, Valley of | Mulberry

Baca, Valley of
(Psalms 84:6; RSV, "valley of weeping," marg., "or balsam trees"), probably a valley in some part of Palestine, or generally some one of the valleys through which pilgrims had to pass on their way to the sanctuary of Jehovah on Zion; 

    2.    Psalm 84:6

Baca
(weeping ), The Valley of, A valley in Palestine, through which the exiled Psalmist sees in vision the pilgrims passing in their march towards the sanctuary of Jehovah at Zion. (Psalms 84:6). 

this then, is also the scripture truth, WHICH, friends of israel, larry mitchell  and the self-proclaimed 'jack_ass' had deliberately ignored and/or hidden from their followers.

 

HOW, WHEN AND WHERE WAS

JESUS PUT TO 
[i]. DEATH 
    AND 
[ii]. HANGED 
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOD'S PRECISE COMMAND?

Deuteronomy 21:22 (KJVSL) .... 
and he be to be put to 
[i]. DEATH <muwth>, 
_A_N_D_ thou 
[ii]. HANGED <talah> <8518> 
him on a tree <`ets>: 

Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJVSL) ... (for he that is [ii]. HANGEDED <talah> <8518> is accursed <q@lalah> of God <'elohiym>;) 

2-two separate acts were REQUIRED
to follow 
one AFTER the other

• first slaying him  i.e., punishment for the living 

• and then suspending him  i.e., ignominy for the dead

NOW  IF the lord god's precise command & the mosaic law and prophecy were FULFILLED  in jesus, the christ then  :

HOW, WHEN AND WHERE WAS

JESUS PUT TO 
  [i]. DEATH 
    AND 
[ii]. HANGED

i.     that said, how did jesus die? 
ii.     how many times did he die, if more than once? 
iii.    in how many places did he die, if more than one? 

ISLAM/IC GREETING IN THE BIBLE

 

 JEHOVAH - SHALOM  'THE LORD PEACE'

Judges 6:23 (DBY) And JEHOVAH said to him, PEACE BE UNTO THEE: 24 And Gideon built there an altar to Jehovah, and called it  JEHOVAH - SHALOM [THE LORD PEACE].  

    luke 24:36 (KJV) Jesus himself stood in the midst of them,  and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

 

salaamun alaykum, peace be upon you and ya ali madad

rest assured, if there was one thing that had divided the jewish, the christian and the muslim worlds right in the middle for all these centuries past, it was jesus' unfathomable divinity/trinity and  the above controversy. 

neither history nor the christian bible supported the same with absolute certainty. there were more unanswered questions than any sustainable evidence to prove the aforesaid.

continued

excerpts

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[SEE BELOW --- Not fully understanding the cross can cause problems for believers -- the christian ministry, friends of israel]  

to be continued

       003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth. 
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6

 salaam : peace

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  shroud_resurrect5.htm ; section 1 ; section 1a ; section 1b ; 

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