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a must read!

 

bismillaahir 
rahmaanir rahiim 
in the name of allah, 
rahman, rahim

 

 YA ALI MADAD

 

   'the supposed historical resurrection'     
versus
'so well authenticated by evidence'

 

His Royal Highness Prince Aga Khan III

         Reincarnation or Companionship on High? 

 

   An article by Imam Hazrat Mowlana Sultan Mahomed Shah (s.a.s.) 

Source: Africa Ismaili Kisumu Supplement, March 28, 1969 

The Christian burial ceremony and the prayers then said by the presiding ecclesiastics refer to resurrection in a way that implies some kind of similarity with

       THE SUPPOSED HISTORICAL  RESURRECTION OF CHRIST THREE DAYS AFTER HIS DEATH. 

      There is the undoubted implication in the Burial Service that a similar resurrection will in time be the fate of those who die in Christianity. 
   
Just as the events of Easter Week become part of Christianity and the hope of men, so the death-bed scene of our Holy Prophet, so well authenticated by evidence, took place in the presence of his two cousins, Ali and Ibn-Abbas, his wives, and above all, his future great successor, the Caliph Omar, then one of his leading companions. All this evidence is exactly the same. 

The last words of the Prophet were "Companionship on High."


           Monday, 22 October 2001


The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by the ignorance of Islam"

PARIS - He is one of the spiritual leaders of Islam who best knows the land and the people of Central Asia, the area which holds the world in suspense. He is the Imam, the religious leader and guide of the Ishamilite, whose communities are spread in various countries of Asia and Africa, but also in Europe and in North America. Throughout Iran, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan and West China, there are more than five million Ishmaelite. ......

"I think that monotheistic religions, having an analogous belief in an only God, should and must dialogue. The three religions which Abraham inspired have many more common facets than those which divide them. 

Religion must be a means by which to affirm the ethical significance of existence, irrelevant of one's faith. If we want social development, to meet halfway, to dialogue, peace, we cannot neglect ethics and the impact which education and culture have on social growth." 

[emphasis added, navali]

 

  Islam is for muslims *al--Haqq — the Truth* 

Dhālika Bi'anna Allāha Huwa Al-Ĥaqqu Wa 'Annahu Yuĥyī Al-Mawtaá Wa 'Annahu `Alaá Kulli Shay'in Qadīrun (22:6).    Dhālika Bi'anna Allāha Huwa Al-Ĥaqqu Wa 'Anna Mā Yad`ūna Min Dūnihi Huwa Al-Bāţilu Wa 'Anna Allāha Huwa Al-`Alīyu Al-Kabīru (22:62)   That is because Allah, He is the Truth and because He quickeneth the dead, and because He is Able to do all things(22:6).     That is because Allah, He is the True, and that whereon they call instead of Him, it is the false, and because Allah, He is the High, the Great (22:62)

 

CRITICAL EVIDENCE 
the new testament authenticates 
the gospel of barnabas 
& the holy qur'an 4:157,158

 

the holy qur’an

4:157. and because of their saying: we slew <anaireo> <337> the messiah, jesus son of mary, allah's messenger – 

i.     they slew <anaireo> <337> him not 
ii.     nor CRUCIFIED <4362> <prospegnumi> <#??? strong's numerical code missing> him, 
iii.     but it appeared so unto them
iv.     and lo! those who disagree concerning it 
are in doubt thereof; 
v.     they have no knowledge 
vi.     thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; 
vii.     they slew <anaireo> <337>  him not for certain. 

Bal Rafa`ahu Allāhu ' Ilayhi Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzāan Ĥakīmāan (4:158).

But Allah took him up unto Himself. - Wa Kāna Allāhu `Azīzān Ĥakīmān - and Allah was ever Mighty,Wise.

 

   

'the supposed historical resurrection'     
versus
'so well authenticated by evidence'

 

the holy qur'an

very important aspect of the qur'anic revelation

iii.     but it appeared so unto them
iv.     and lo! those who disagree concerning it 
are in doubt thereof; 
v.     they have no knowledge 
vi.     thereof save pursuit of a conjecture

by the grace and mercy of allah, an in-depth study of the bible coupled with the latest biblical archaeological discoveries, etc., - will show that every aspect of the qur'anic revelation just cited with respect to the christ jesus, son of mary [pbuth] - was 115% correct and trustworthy. 

insha'allaah these biblical facts too, among many others will prove the DIVINE ORIGIN & REVELATION of the HOLY QUR'AN per se. allow me to explain the same, if i may.

the biblical corroboration - 'hand and glove'

question

where was jesus crucified?
in the great city of babylon?
in the great city of sodom? 
in the great CITY OF EGYPT? 
jerusalem? 
QUMRAN? 
or rome? 

quagmire

'the epistle to the hebrews 5:6-9' and 'the revelation of jesus christ to st. john 11:8' combined have served as the bible's greatest and insurmountable 'built-in' obstacles which have, for the most part, plagued the christian world since its infancy.

 

the bible's irrefutable reply to

steve van nattan, a self-proclaimed 'jack_ass' of the christian world

DON'T RUN AWAY:
       Blessed Quietness
Journal...
              Was formerly Balaam's Ass Speaks

'there is power in the blood' says this self proclaimed and foulmouthed  'jack_ass' [pastor: steve van nattan] of the christian world. this is how low a man of his calibre could and did stoop.  check it out!

CHAPTER THREE:

Will the true Scripture Please Stand Up?

Part Two: Al Koran, from Jehovah or Jinn?

 

balaam's ass speaks journal

    DOCTRINAL STATEMENT:

I prefer that you also read What I Believe via the KJV.

    1. The Word of God is 100% without error in the Words and thoughts in the Textus Receptus of the Greek, and in the last Bible for this age, The King James Bible 1611.  God's preservation of His Word today is as absolute and supernatural as the inspiration of the original manuscripts.

Our creed is the King James Bible with NO outside presuppositions tolerated. If you live in a non-English speaking nation, and if you can prove you Bible is based 100% on the Textus Receptus, we will work with that. Better yet, learn English so you can study the KJV :-)

      Editor and Jack ass in General:

Steve Van Nattan  [http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/believe.htm] THINGS IN GENERAL

indeed! faith power works wonders.  

>>
From: "Steve Van Nattan" <[email protected]
To: "john kenadian" <[email protected]
Subject: Re: 'there is power in the blood' - says steve van nattan 
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:12:28 -0400 

How sad that you will not believe the original revelation of God in the Bible. Why wander about the Middle East looking
for a bug under a rock in the hope that the bug will help you make a fool of Jesus Christ. You sound like Ahmed Deedat.

I pray that God will stop you soon and show you the truth.

In Christ (He is Lord God eternal)

>>

indeed! faith power works wonders.  

proof

Matthew 27:46 (KJV) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Revelation 1:1 (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 1:2 (KJV) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 

Revelation 1:5 (KJV) And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten OF THE DEAD Revelation 1:18 (KJV) I [am] he that liveth, and was DEAD

Acts 3:15 (KJV) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the DEAD; whereof we are witnesses. {Prince: or, Author}  Acts 4:10 (KJV) that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the DEAD

meaning: according to jesus' own 'divine' testimony and that of his trusted(?) apostle paul, god did NOT grant him eternity, as he had to wisdom <sophia> and the heavenly 'kohen- priest-imam' - hebrews 7:1-3; psalms 110:4 and genesis 14:18-22. 

JESUS WAS THE SON OF SOPHIA

1.    Proverbs 8:1 Doth not wisdom <2451> cry? and understanding <8394> put forth her voice? Pr 8:22 The LORD possessed  me in the beginning <7225> of his way, <1870> before  his works of old. Pr 8:23 I was set up <5258> from everlasting, <5769> from the beginning, <7218> or ever <6924> the earth was. Pr 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 

Pr 8:30 Then I was by him as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing  always before him;

twmkx Chokmowth (khok-moth');  Noun Feminine, Strong #: 2454
  1. wisdom
sofiva Sophia (sof-ee'-ah);
Word Origin: Greek,  Noun Feminine, Strong #: 4678

"Wisdom" in Proverbs 1:20; 8:1; 9:1-5 may be regarded not as a mere personification of the attribute of wisdom, but as a divine person,

 

JESUS WAS THE SON OF SOPHIA

this is an interesting fact to note because IF jesus was the son and prophet/ messenger of WISDOM-- SOPHIA then he had to be the GRANDSON of god, the father - or rather, god, the grandfather.

Luke 11:49 (KJV) Therefore also SAID the wisdom <sophia> of God <theos> 
I WILL SEND THEM PROPHETS AND APOSTLES, 
and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute

the new testament on his exceptional qualities

Matthew 11:19 

h\lqen oJ uiJo;ß tou' ajnqrwvpou ejsqivwn kai; pivnwn, kai; levgousin, #Idou; a~nqrwpoß favgoß kai; oijnopovthß, telwnw'n fivloß kai; aJmartwlw'n. kai; ejdikaiwvqh hJ sofiva ajpo; tw'n e~rgwn aujth'ß.

hlqen o uioV tou anqrwpou esqiwn kai pinwn kai legousin idou anqrwpoV fagoV kai oinopothV telwnwn filoV kai amartwlwn kai edikaiwqh h sofia apo twn ergwn authV

Matthew 11:19 (KJVSL) The Son <huios> of man <anthropos> came eating and > drinking 
and they say Behold a man <anthropos> 
gluttonous and a winebibber 
a friend of publicans and sinners. 

But <kai> wisdom <sophia> 
is justified of <apo> her <autos>
children <teknon>.

But....OF her children

Matthew 11:19 (KJVSL) The Son of man came eating and drinking ...  But wisdom <sophia> is justified OF her children.

And......BY her children

Webster (Matthew 11)/World English (Matthew 11)/Standard Version/Darby/Douay Rheims (Matthew 11) :19  The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a wine drinker, a friend of publicans and sinners. And wisdom <sophia> is justified BY her children.

 

'by interpretation'

'King of Salem' --'King of peace'-- 'ISLAM -- PEACE'

2.    Hebrews 7:1 (KJVSL) For this Melchisedec king of Salem <Salem>, priest <hiereus> <Kohen> <IMAM> of the most high God <> <AL-ALIYYUN> who met  Abraham ... and blessed him Hebrews 7:2 (KJV) To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Hebrews 7:3 (KJV) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. {without descent: Gr. without pedigree}

!hk Kohen (ko-hane');  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 3548
  1. priest, principal officer or chief ruler
    1. priest-king (Melchizedek, Messiah)
    2. pagan priests
    3. priests of Jehovah
    4. Levitical priests
    5. Zadokite priests
    6. Aaronic priests
    7. the high priest
!wyla 'elyown (el-yone');  , Strong #: 5945

adj
  1. high, upper
    1. of Davidic king exalted above monarchs n m
  2. Highest, Most High
    1. name of God
    2. of rulers, either monarchs or angel-princes
la 'el (ale);  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 410
  1. god, god-like one, mighty one
    1. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
    2. angels
    3. god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
    4. God, the one true God, Jehovah
  2. mighty things in nature
  3. strength, power

our christian friends have yet to counter these biblical facts & revelations, which they claim were inspired by god.

faith power works wonders!

It is enough that Jesus died,
               And that he died for me.

OUR ONLY AUTHORITY:
       The King James Bible
           I need no other argument,
               I need no other plea;
           It is enough that Jesus died,
               And that he died for me.

I prefer that you also read What I Believe via the KJV.

    1. The Word of God is 100% without error in the Words and thoughts in the Textus Receptus of the Greek, and in the last Bible for this age, The King James Bible 1611.  God's preservation of His Word today is as absolute and supernatural as the inspiration of the original manuscripts.

hey good for you!

 

unprovoked attack on islam and the holy prophet muhammad [sas]

 

JUST RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING EMAIL

what really provoked him to react in this manner?

>>

navali: unlike you, i am following the scriptures only.

sir, IF ONLY you knew how strong
my faith is in the real christ jesusson of mary [pbuth] - as revealed in the holy qur'an and the  corroborating biblical scriptures, you would not make such wild  and unfounded allegations. 

peace in islam,

>>

his reply

>>

From: "Steve Van Nattan" <[email protected]> | This is spam | Add to Address Book 
To: "john kenadian" <[email protected]
Subject: Re: 'there is power in the blood' - says Steve Van Nattan
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:25:51 -0400 

Your jesus is a devil. Either you worship God the Son, Jesus the 
eternal God, Emanuel (EL), or you are damned to hell for your counterfeit jesus.

John 8:51 - 59  [snip]

The Jews were smarter than you. They KNEW that Jesus was claiming to be eternal God.

Islam now calls on you to kill me. Every fatwa would justify you 
killing me.  Muhammed, your depraved prophet, calls on you to kill me.

Did Jesus call for Jihad? Answer, quite the opposite-- he gave his life 
for you to wash away your sins in his precious Blood on Mount Calvary just outside of Jerusalem. He rose again from death so that you might have eternal life.

So, you now go on dreaming of haveing perpetual sex with 70 virgins you  will rape for etenity in Paradise. Read about it in my book online. If you  are wrong, you will scream for a drop of water for eternity.

Why?

Why do you choose to blaspheme Jesus Christ and the Word of God with  your stupid heresies.

Answer: Pride. You are wrong, and you know it, but you have boldly 
announced your strange form of religion, and you would have to admit to your  friends that you are wrong. You would have to admit that a Jew, who is also  God, died for you, and you hate Jews, right? So, you will keep your head up, stand tall, defend your mongrel lies, and go right to hell when you  die.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and 
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

How sad.

In The Lord Jesus Christ (Praise be on his Divine Person)

Steve Van Nattan

>>

[navali:  my reply follows]

 

salaamun alaykum, š³lôm, peace, peace be upon you and ya ali madad 

Editor and Jack ass in General promotes the following interesting article on his website.

BRIEF CRITIQUE ON THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS By Damon L. Wilkewitz

Here are some good reasons to reject the Gospel of Thomas:

1.     Where it was found. The texts used to put together the King James Version of the bible are called “Syrian- Byzantine” texts. Antioch is in Syria, and Christians were first called Christians in Antioch (Acts 11:26). However, all of the other “perversions” of the bible (such as the NIV, NRSV, NASV, etc.) come from manuscripts that originate in Egypt. Nothing good ever originated out of Egypt in the Word of God. Who would go there to look for manuscripts that would be worth anything? The Gospel of Thomas web site on the FAQ page states: “Portions of three Greek copies of Thomas were found in Oxyrhynchus Egypt about one hundred years ago.”

would the above statement apply to the following as well?

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Matthew 2:15 (KJV) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Numbers 21:5 (KJV) And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for [there is] no bread, neither [is there any] water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. Deuteronomy 4:45 (KJV) These [are] the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt,

OUR ONLY AUTHORITY:
       The King James Bible
           I need no other argument,
         

it must be noted at this juncture that the following gospel of john was written several decades after the last of the synoptic gospels and 'the acts of the apostles'. it was probably composed in reply to the then firmly established gospel of thomas, also known as 'The Gospel of Thomas The Fifth (5th) Gospel'. 

although there were many similarities and parallel passages between the two, jesus was NEVER portrayed  in the latter as the pre-eternal divine word, which had preceded the god 'in the beginning' - ref: john 1:1-2. the following example will shed important light on the matter under discussion.

 version 1

did jesus sanction the 'johannine trinity'?

'three deities, they are divine' - I am with that one'

  30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."  31. Jesus said, "No prophet is welcome on his home turf; doctor_S don't cure   those who know them."  [The Gospel of Thomas Translated by Stephen Patterson and Marvin Meyer]

did jesus break or uphold the controversial johannine trinity? as far as i can discern, nowhere in this gospel did jesus ascribe divinity unto himself. 

on the other hand, one may not get clear understanding of the subject matter from the above sectarian or bias translation BECAUSE a company of 'three gods' have been depicted as 'divine.' and thus, it may or may not validate the non-biblical trinity.

please note also that the PLURAL word 'doctor_S' in the above text had been translated in singular - 'physician' - by the other translators. see below. 

it is interesting to note that jesus portrayed himself as the prophet/ doctor /physician -  who opted to be with a lesser number of 'divine' gods - be they 'two or one' -  'THAT ONE or HIM.' 

meaning: there was absolutely no place for the 'johannine trinity' in his teaching and practice from the earliest period of his ministry.

version 2

'three gods, they are gods - I am with him'

30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him." 31) Jesus said, "No prophet is accepted in his own village; no physician heals those who know him." [Translations by: Thomas O. Lambdin (Coptic version) B.P Grenfell & A.S. Hunt (Greek Fragments) Bentley Layton (Greek Fragments) Commentary by: Craig Schenk]

30.) Where there are three Gods,
They are Gods
.  Where there are two,or one,
I am with him. 31.)  No prophet is honoured
in his homeland. No physician heals those
who know him well. [The Gospel of Thomas Translated by Nancy Johnson] [see also 'the other bible', edited by willis barnstone,  'the Gospel of Thomas' pp. 302]

(30) Jesus said: Where there are three Gods, They are Gods; where there are two or one, I am with him. (31) Jesus said: No prophet is acceptable in his village; a physician does not heal those who know him. [THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS - The following is a fresh translation, made from the Coptic text published by Messrs. Brill of Leiden. In the preparation of this versi the following six translations have been consulted, in addition to to published by Messrs. Brill: English by W. R. Schoedel, French by Doresse and R. Kasser, German by J. LeipoIdt and Hans Quecke Danish by S. Giversen. The numbering of the sayings is that of the Brill edition].

so, what is the message here?

as can be seen, jesus himself repudiated the concept of multiple gods, divine or otherwise. this then, should and must explain his position on the johannine trinity as well.

regardless of one's faith and piety, for centuries the enlightened biblical scholar, the blind follower and the laity have all encountered similar if not 'insurmountable' difficulties in the mystical  gospel of john. 

take for example the following highly spiritual and inexplicable episode, which in and of itself, directly undermines the so-called cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection of the christ jesus.

'KJV' -- the 'cosmic jesus christ' or a phantom
'his reality or illusion'

'i am from above
i am not of this world - kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos)' -   <2889>


'And now I am no more in the world' 

and I come to thee
*
'While I was with them in the world' 

And now come I to thee
*
'and these things I speak in the world' 

allow me to explain the above enigmatic BIBLE language in 'jesus' own words'.

PROOF

John 1:6 (KJV) There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. John 1:7 (KJV) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. John 1:8 (KJV) He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. John 1:9 (KJV) [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. John 1:10 (KJV) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 8:12 (KJV) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 3:31 (KJV) He that cometh FROM ABOVE is above all: 
he that cometh FROM HEAVEN is above all. 

John 8:23 (KJV) And he said unto them,  I AM FROM ABOVE: I AM NOT OF THIS WORLDkovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>

John 17:1 (KJV) These words spake Jesus, 
John 17:11 (KJV) And NOW I AM NO MORE in the WORLDkovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos);  <2889>,  AND I COME TO THEE. 

 

John 17:12 (KJV) WHILE I WAS WITH them in the WORLD -  kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889> John 17:13 (KJV) AND NOW COME I TO THEE;  and these things I SPEAK IN THE WORLDkovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>... 
John 17:14 (KJV) .... EVEN AS I AM NOT OF THE WORLDkovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos); <2889>.

 

Joh 8:23
From beneath; earthly and sensual.
From above; heavenly and divine. decipher 

kovsmoß Kosmos (kos'-mos);
Word Origin: Greek,  Noun Masculine, Strong #:
<2889>
  1. the world, the universe
  2. the circle of the earth, the earth
  3. the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
  4. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

if jesus' own handpicked apostles and personal companions could not understand or decipher his highly charged and enigmatic teachings, what could be said of those who came centuries and millenniums AFTER him - having absolutely no knowledge of his original teachings - save conjectures and distortions of the same?

according to the gospels, jesus, the kind and merciful lord not only CURSED the disbelieving 'generations of vipers' but also he often rebuked his mindless and dumb apostles in the presence his audience. 

frankly, no one was safe or exempted from his sharp and cursing tongue - not even the blessed peter [satan], the rock of his church or the 'poor' fig tree.

Revelation 1:16 (KJV) And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: 

Re 1:16
      Re 1:16. A sharp two-edged sword. The image here used, as a symbol, to denote the word or doctrine of Jesus Christ, is employed for the same purpose, metaphorically, in Heb 4:12. The symbol denotes the efficacy of his doctrine, and of the judgments uttered by him against the wicked. 

however, if the above bible revelation/text re: 'his reality or illusion' is true, correct and acceptable to the christian world then which human part and/or a spiritual portion of jesus christ was actually 'CRUCIFIED <4362> <prospegnumi> <#???>' on the cross and 'HANGED' on the tree, in accordance with the earlier divine/mosaic prophecy?

Deuteronomy 21:22 (KJV) And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, 

  • and he be to be put to death, 

  • and thou hang him on a tree: 

Deuteronomy 21:23 (KJV) His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance. {accursed...: Heb. the curse of God}

PRE-ISLAM SOURCE 

The Docetae held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his Crucifixion was only apparent, not real. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans
=

guiding the christian bible

the lord god's divine revelation/ condition 
& the mosaic law
Deuteronomy 21:22 (KJV)

2-two forms of punishment clearly prescribed 
for the living and the dead

 

i.     'and he be to be put to death' - punishment for the living

ii.     'and thou hang him on a tree' - ignominy for the dead - 'for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God'

if so, how was the above prophecy, FULFILLED in jesus christ?

1.    crucified <stauroo> <4717>

• the 3rd gospel of Luke 23:33 (KJVSL)   And when they were come  to the place which is called  Calvary  there they crucified <stauroo> <4717> him.

4717. stauroo
Search for G4717 in KJVSL
staurow stauroo stow-ro'-o

2.    crucified <prospegnumi> <4362>
3.    _and_ slain <anaireo> <337>

luke: acts 2:23 dia ceirov anomwn prosphxantev aneilate

'crucified <4362> <to fasten _A_N_D_  slain <337>' 

Acts 2:23 (KJVSL) Him [jesus] being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God <theos>, ye have taken and by wicked hands 
a.    have crucified <prospegnumi> <4362>
b.    _and_ slain <anaireo> <337>

prosphvgnumi Prospegnumi (pros-payg'-noo-mee);
Word Origin: Greek,  Verb, Strong #: 4362
  1.     to fasten

ajnairevw Anaireo (an-ahee-reh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek,  Verb, Strong #: 337

  1. to take up, to lift up (from the ground)

    1. to take up for myself as mine

    2. to own (an exposed infant)

  2. to take away, abolish

    1. to do away with or abrogate customs or ordinances

    2. to put out of the way, kill slay a man

the strong’s numerical code <#4362>??? 

Acts 2:23 (KJVSL) and by <dia> wicked <anomos> hands <cheir> have crucified <prospegnumi> and slain <anaireo>:

this interesting text is enshrouded with its own mystery.

the code is inserted

have crucified Click to do Phrase Search on 'have crucified' [4362]   prospegnumi
and slain: Click to do Phrase Search on 'and slain' [337]    anaireo

first of, how reliable is this christian source?  believe me, in this day and age of Computers and the Information Revolution, it may be accused of many crimes. these flagrant crimes are deliberately hidden within the kjv translation, etc.

on the other hand, the greek and the hebrew texts have been also altered and edited in order to promote a certain sectarian/kjv viewpoint only. 

unfortunately, these facts will not be so obvious to a casual/faithful reader with preconceived notions of his own. please allow me to explain.

biblepro 9

strong’s numerical code <#4362> is missing 

proof #1 
acts 2:23 dia; <1223> ceiro;ß <5495> ajnovmwn <459> prosphvxanteß
ajneivlate, <337>

proof #2 
acts 2:23 dia; <1223> ceiro;ß <5495> ajnovmwn <459> prosphvxanteß
ajneivlate, <337>

could it be a later interpolation?

• acts 2:23 (kjvsl) and by <dia> wicked <anomos> hands <cheir> have 
crucified <prospegnumi> and slain <anaireo> - that is : CRUCIFIED <4362> <prospegnumi> <
#?????>

• acts 2:23 and by <1223> wicked <459> hands <5495> have
CRUCIFIED <4362> and slain <337>:

missing??

i.    oJ <3588>

ii.    tw'n <3588>

iii.    <3586>

  crucified <stauroo> <4717>

• the 3rd gospel of Luke 23:33 (KJVSL)   And when they were come  to the place which is called  Calvary  there they crucified <stauroo> <4717> him.

what does it mean? who guides the 'poor' bible? 

luke, author of the '3rd gospel' and 'the acts' - had given several conflicting versions of jesus' so-called cruci_FICTion. so what can we say about the other authors and editors of the christian scripture?

that said, how was jesus crucified, killed or hanged?  here's your multiple choice answer.  go for it.

> perhaps
> you could respond to that.

> wish you well

in islam and peace 

navali
--- 

steve van nattan <[email protected]> wrote:
> you are of armenian birth. i am curious why you
> converted to islam. perhaps
> you could respond to that.

> wish you well

> in jesus christ (he is the lord god eternal)

> steve van nattan


======


> you are of armenian birth. 
> i am curious why you converted to islam. 
> perhaps you could respond to that.

navali:          you are a perceptive man.
because:  jesus was NOT CRUCIFIED for your sins or mine.


proof
where was jesus crucified?
in the great city of babylon?
in the great city sodom? 
in the great city of egypt? 

jerusalem? 
qumran? 
or rome? 

let jesus testify for himself

  'crucified <stauroo> Strong #: 4717: in the street of the great city -- Sodom and  Egypt' -- the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 1:2 (KJV) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,  .....

Revelation 11:8 (KJVSL) And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great <megas> city <polis>, which spiritually is called Sodom <Sodoma> and <kai> Egypt <Aiguptos>, where also our <hemon> Lord <kurios> was crucified <stauroo> #: 4717.

the faith of conviction or the faith of convenience

PROOF THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION
       OF THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED-- Will Kinney

NEW KING JAMES VERSION EXPOSED, NKJV exposed, King James Bible is defended. NKJV Nonsense, Daryl Coats exposes Jahn Butler's attack on the KJV. We declare war on scummy scholars, showing both sides of the battle for the Bible. Peter S. R, Gail Riplinger, and Otis Fuller contribute.

deity of the Lord Jesus Christ

Does John 14:14 in the King James Bible
deny the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ?

By Will Kinney

Those who criticize the reading found in the KJB say that the new versions show the believers asking Jesus directly and so show His deity, while the KJB does not. This is obviously an unsound argument. In the KJB and Majority of all texts, we have Christ saying "If ye ask anything in my name, I WILL DO IT." If Christ Himself ANSWERS PRAYER then He is God!

the above named individual and his pastor have consistently ignored/excluded the following verses from their otherwise fantastic write-ups.

jesus was inferior to god

'If Christ Himself COULD NOT ANSWER PRAYER then He is NOT God!

Matthew 20:20 (KJV) Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping [him], and desiring a certain thing of him. Matthew 20:21 (KJV) And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. Matthew 20:23 (KJV) but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but [it shall be given to them] for whom it is prepared of my Father.

John 5:19 (KJV) Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

'my Father is greater than I'

a.    Acts 2:22 (KJV) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

b.    1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

c.    John 10:29 (KJV) My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

d.    John 14:28 (KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

e.    John 13:16 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

g.    Ephesians 4:6 (KJV) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

h.    1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

jesus was ALSO inferior to the holy ghost

Matthew 12:31 (KJV) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Matthew 12:32 (KJV) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

this holy ghost/spirit <pneuma> -- namely, 'another <allos> Comforter <parakletos>'  WAS like unto jesus. 

please note that although the holy ghost had been referred to in "masculine," "feminine," and "neuter" - gender elsewhere in the bible, in this particular instance jesus referred to  the Comforter <parakletos>- in 'masculine' gender only.

'the Comforter <parakletos>' 

i.     'the Holy Ghost <pneuma>' 

ii.    'whom <hos> - he <ekeinos>'

iii.    'the Spirit <pneuma> of truth 
<aletheia>, -- he <ekeinos>'

is clearly of 'masculine gender' & DIVINE ORIGIN
- John 15:26

John 14:16 (KJVSL) And  I will pray the Father and he shall give  you another <allos> Comforter <parakletos>, that he may abide with you for ever. John 14:17 (KJVSL) [Even] the Spirit <pneuma> of truth <aletheia>; whom <hos> the world cannot receive because it seeth him <autos> not neither knoweth <ginosko> him <autos>: but  ye know <ginosko> him <autos>; for he dwelleth  with you and shall be in you.

John 14:26 (KJVSL) But the Comforter <parakletos>, [which is] the Holy Ghost <pneuma>, whom <hos> the Father  will send <pempo> in my name he <ekeinos> shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you. 

John 15:26 (KJVSL) But when the Comforter <parakletos> is come whom <hos> I will send unto you from the Father  [even] the Spirit <pneuma> of truth <aletheia>, which <hos> proceedeth  from the Father he  <ekeinos> shall testify of me :

John 16:7 (KJV) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter <parakletos>, will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 

1 John 2:1 (KJVSL) My  little children these things write I unto you that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate <parakletos> with the Father, Jesus <Iesous> Christ <Christos> the righteous:

We have an advocate with the Father. God only can forgive sin; and though we have no claim on him, yet there is one with him who can plead our cause, and on whom we can rely to manage our interests there. The word rendered advocate (paraklhtoV or--paraclete) is elsewhere applied to the Holy Spirit, and is in every other place where it occurs in the New Testament rendered comforter, Joh 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7. 

 

and as such, he, the comforter/advocate <parakletos>  was none other than the holy prophet and messenger of allah [pbuth] of the islamic dispensation.

'cruci_FICTion  
ALONE' did not kill jesus

mode 4  kjv:     Acts 2:23 

i.    crucified <prospegnumi> <4362> <to fasten> _A_N_D_ 
ii.    slain <337>

5. kjv:   Matthew 27:35 (KJVSL) ONLY crucified <stauroo> 
             <4717>
kjv:       Mark 15:25 (KJVSL) ONLY crucified <stauroo> 
             <4717>
kjv:      Luke 23:33 (KJVSL) ONLY crucified <stauroo> 
             <4717>
kjv:      John 19:18 (KJVSL) ONLY crucified <stauroo> 
             <4717>
and then jesus WAS NOT HANGED in accordance with
 
Deuteronomy 21:22,23.
=

steve van nattan, 
a self-proclaimed 'jack_ass' of the christian world

don't run away:
blessed quietness journal...
was formerly balaam's ass speaks


'there is power in the blood'

>>

Steve Van Nattan: 'looking for a bug under a rock in the hope that the bug will help you make a fool of Jesus Christ.'

>>

navali:     Romans 12:2 (KJV) but be ye transformed by the 
renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that good,
and acceptable, and perfect, 
will of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV) 
Prove all things; 
hold fast that 
which is good.

unlike you, i am following the scriptures only.

sir, IF ONLY you knew how strong
my faith is in the real christ jesus, 
son of mary [pbuth] - as revealed in the holy qur'an and the 
corroborating biblical scriptures, you would not make such wild 
and unfounded allegations. 

peace in islam,


Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6

navali
=

>>
From: "Steve Van Nattan" <[email protected]
To: "john kenadian" <[email protected]
Subject: Re: 'there is power in the blood' - says steve van nattan 
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:12:28 -0400 

How sad that you will not believe the original revelation of God in the Bible. Why wander about the Middle East looking
for a bug under a rock in the hope that the bug will help you make a fool of Jesus Christ. You sound like Ahmed Deedat.

I pray that God will stop you soon and show you the truth.

In Christ (He is Lord God eternal)

CONTRADICTION

OUR ONLY AUTHORITY:
       The King James Bible
           I need no other argument,
               I need no other plea;
           It is enough that Jesus died,
               And that he died for me.

 Yahshua the Messiah is Not Almighty Yahweh

navali: now sir, how do you explain your own irreconcilable differences,  contradictions and vacillations? 

the holy qur'an

19:30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, 19:31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, 19:32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. 19:33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! 19:34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. 
19:35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 19:36. And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path. 
Pickthal's Quran Translation

 jesus and his apostles on his mortality.

Revelation 1:5 (KJV) And from Jesus Christ, 
[who is] the faithful witness, [and]
the first begotten OF THE DEAD

Revelation 1:18 (KJV) I [am] he that liveth, and was DEAD

Revelation 2:8 (KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was DEAD, and is alive; Revelation 11:8 (KJV) And their DEAD bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Acts 3:15 (KJV) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the DEAD; whereof we are witnesses. {Prince: or, Author}  Acts 4:10 (KJV) that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the DEAD

JUST RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING EMAIL

what really provoked him to react in this manner?

>>

navali: unlike you, i am following the scriptures only.

sir, IF ONLY you knew how strong
my faith is in the real christ jesusson of mary [pbuth] - as revealed in the holy qur'an and the corroborating biblical scriptures, you would not make such wild and unfounded allegations. 

peace in islam,

>>

>>

From:"Steve Van Nattan" <[email protected]> To:
"john kenadian" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 'there is power in the blood' - says steve van nattan
Date:Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:25:51 -0400
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your jesus is a devil. Either you worship God the Son, Jesus the 
eternal God, Emanuel (EL), or you are damned to hell for your counterfeit jesus.

John 8:51 - 59 [snip]

The Jews were smarter than you. They KNEW that Jesus was claiming to be eternal God.

Islam now calls on you to kill me. Every fatwa would justify you 
killing me. Muhammed, your
depraved prophet, calls on you to kill me.

>>

navali:

jesus and an artistic -- [nudity] -- representation of christianity

was he gay? 

why was there a male disciple -- leaning on Jesus' bosom? whom Jesus loved

he fled n_a_k_e_d! 

 

Matthew 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.   Mark 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled. Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his n_a_k_e_d  body; and the young men laid hold on him: Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them  n_a_k_e_d.

 John 13:23 Now there was leaning on  Jesus' bosom  one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.    John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved

John 21:7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was  n_a_k_e_d,) and did cast himself into the sea. 

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper,

navali:   what do these scripture verses mean, leaving aside all personal biases and interpretations? 

OUR ONLY AUTHORITY:
       The King James Bible
           I need no other argument,
              

>>

Did Jesus call for Jihad? Answer, quite the opposite-- he gave his life 
for you to wash away your sins in his precious Blood on Mount Calvary just outside of Jerusalem. He rose again from death so that you might have eternal life.

>>

navali:   'jihad and hatred in the bible'

JESUS  

Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:35 (KJV) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Matthew 10:36 (KJV) And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. Matthew 10:37 (KJV) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Philippians 2:25 (KJV) Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.  Philemon 1:2 (KJV) And to [our] beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

Jude 1:3 (KJV) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

And fellow-soldier. Christians and Christian ministers are compared with soldiers, Phm 1:2; 2Ti 2:3-4, because of the nature of the service in which they are engaged. The Christian life is a warfare; there are many foes to be overcome; the period which they are to serve is fixed by the Great Captain of salvation, and they will soon be permitted to enjoy the triumphs of victory. Paul regarded himself as enlisted to make war on all the spiritual enemies of the Redeemer, and he esteemed Epaphroditus as one who had shown that he was worthy to be engaged in so good a cause.

undeniable   biblical facts

the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons -- VIRGINS

Numbers 31:1 (KJV) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. {him: Heb. a male}  18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This [is] the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;

35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

40 And the persons [were] sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons.

41 And Moses gave the tribute, [which was] the LORD'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.

NOTE: 'and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.' 

AND what might be the age of the youngest virgin, sirs?

>>

steve van nattan:  So, you now go on dreaming of haveing perpetual sex with 70 virgins you will rape for etenity in Paradise. Read about it in my book online. If you are wrong, you will scream for a drop of water for eternity.

>>

navali:

virgins for the lord jesus christ & the kingdom of heaven

  Mark 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.  

  Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.  

  Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the m_a_r_r_i_a_g_e of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the m_a_r_r_i_a_g_e  supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 

>>
Why?

Why do you choose to blaspheme Jesus Christ and the Word of God with your stupid heresies.

>>

navali: if your KJV bible is ''stupid heresies'' so be it!

>>

Answer: Pride. You are wrong, and you know it, but you have boldly 
announced your strange form of religion, and you would have to admit to your friends that you are wrong. You would have to admit that a
Jew, who is also God, died for you, and you hate Jews, right? So, you will keep your head up, stand tall, defend your mongrel lies, and go right to hell when you die.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

How sad.

In The Lord Jesus Christ (Praise be on his Divine Person)

Steve Van Nattan

>>

----- Original Message -----
From: "john kenadian" <[email protected]>
To: "Steve Van Nattan" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 02:52
Subject: Re: 'there is power in the blood' - says steve van nattan

>
> --- Steve Van Nattan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You are of Armenian birth. I am curious why you
> > converted to Islam. Perhaps
> > you could respond to that.
> >
> > Wish you well
> >
> > In Jesus Christ (He is the Lord God eternal)
> >
> > Steve Van Nattan
> >
> >
> ===============
>
>
> > You are of Armenian birth.
> > I am curious why you converted to Islam.
> > Perhaps you could respond to that.
>
>
> navali:   you are a perceptive man
> BECAUSE: jesus was not crucified for your sins or
> mine.
>
> PROOF:

----- original message -----
from: "john kenadian" <[email protected]>
to: <[email protected]>
sent: monday, august 18, 2003 21:43
subject: 'there is power in the blood' - says steve
van nattan

>>

http://www.geocities.com/kenadian2003/2bible_jesus_xfiction.htm

http://www.geocities.com/kenadian2003/2a_bible_jesus_xfiction.htm

http://www.geocities.com/kenadian2003/2b_bible_jesus_xfiction.htm

>>

to be continued

bible_jesus_x_fiction; bible_jesus_x_fiction_ii

2bible_jesus_xfiction; 2a_bible_jesus_xfiction

2b_bible_jesus_xfiction

a must read!

 

 

       003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth. 
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6



 salaam : peace


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