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| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| His plan noone knows why i don't know He can do what he wants to do We were made to work along side Him then sin came plan tak'n longer to happen but it still will in the end |
| From: "dbarkk" |
| Subject: Re: U know what i think? |
| You said "He created the Earth then they
verbally passed it on to the next geeration and so forth (for there was no way or recording stuff then, like writting)untill Moses recoreded the whole " You are aware aren't you that there were civilations in existence for thouseands of years before Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt? These other civiliations, including the Egyption where Moses himself learned how to write in the first place plus all the various forms of writing all over the Mediteranean and Near Eastern area, as well as over in the Orient, India, Persia etc! The Israelites were but a small tribal group almost totally lacking in the acoutrements of civilization except for what they learned from those around them. You are aware also aren't you that much of the old testament was plagerazation of myths from other religions before Araham created his own personal family/tribal religion? Many of the stories in the new testament are right out of "The Tales of Gilgamesh" the holy book of the religion that reigned in the city/state of Ur where Abrahm came from originally. He simply renamed the stories and they were included in the early Hebrew mythology. |
| From: "mz_fitz" |
| Subject: Re: turning to sin |
| Okay, then, if you take the bible to be God's truth,
then do you beleive that anyone caught working on the sabbath should be stoned? Or that a woman taken in adultery should be stoned? (and what about the man who is also sinning?) Or that women once married should shave their heads and go veiled outside the home? Or that all christians should sell their homes and possesions and donate them to the church and live in a commune? |
| From: "mz_fitz" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| Still, the fact that he has a plan in the first place
seems contradicary to a perfect being. Also, why would he "want" anything? Want comes from a desire to have something we can't guarantee. God needs nothing, as he is all powerful and all knowing. |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: Re: U know what i think? |
| Why Christians look at facts is because people ask questions |
| From: "what_do_u_believe" dbarkk |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| Just cos God don't "want" didn't stop Him from Creating us |
| From: "what_do_u_believe" dbarkk |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] Re: U know what i think? |
| Mmmm nobody is blaming anybody, we are just
discussing why it happens \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] Re: U know what i think? |
| Well, i really dunno.... There may be some imbalance
in hormones, or something that causes homosexuality and bisexuality. In that case, to be non-sexual, you shouldn't have any hormones at all. \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] Re: U know what i think? |
| OK, first off, Moses couldn't write. It wasn't he who
wrote the book of Moses, it was his ancestors. I don't think the bible can account as proof - You know how to make a hen out of a feather?? It's the exact same thing. To go on your line, in each generation they damaged the real story alittle further, and when moses finally heard about it, it was totally different then what had happened. There are proof of evulotion. There are skeletons, thingys, and alot of evidence that points to the fact that human acestors were apes. Not dirt. \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] Re: turning to |
| It couldn't possibly have occured. The bible isn't blessed by an higher power just because it's the bible. The bible is written by humans! Stories... Once, a man made up a tale of how the earth was created. He didn't know any better, so he just made up a story to please himself, then he passed it to his children, they passed it to their children and so on. In every generation, this story became alittle more different then the original one. And the original one wasn't even true. The bible should not be taken litteratly \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] Re: U know what i think? |
| He didn't learn how to write \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: my positions on few things... |
| Ok, i've read(kinda) all the back posts, and here are
some of my ideas, positions, etc... 1.homosexuals: i believe that it is a somewhat genetic trait. I know quite a few in person, and on the net, and all of them say they never chose it...i am hetero, so i personally dont know for sure. I think bisexuals are either experimenting or cant make their minds up, and in regards to "non-sexuals" if they exist im just not gonna have an opinion on them! lol 2. creation or evolution: I believe in both...confusing huh? i think that god (or a god or gods or whathaveyou) created the world but had us built with the ability to change inorder to adapt to our invironments so that we evolve. i dont think god created everything just the way it is...and no idont think we came from monkeys, cause if we did that would a)make me wonder why some of my family is still in monkey form and b)it might just explain my younger brother ;) 3. religion in schools: i personally dont want it in my schools because i believe it would be bias as to what religion they would allow. If they were going to have it then i would want to be guaranteed equal rights for every one of every religion. As i like to tell my xian friends... sure, you can say your prayers out loud in that corner if i can set up my candles and incense and cast a circle in this corner (more on circles later if y'all want an explanation.) 4. alittle on pagans: by definition, a pagan is anything that is not a christian, muslim or jew. some worship many gods, some worship one. it depends on the person. let me explain it easily as this : lets say you have christianity(thats like saying pagan). Now you break it down into what people believe in(denominations) such as catholic, lutheran, methodist, pentecostal, etc.(paganism breaks down into "denominations" but are usually called "sects" as such: there are wiccans, asatru, druids, celtic pagans, celtic druids, witches, etc...) Now, explaining the whole witch thing could take eternity because there are several types of witchs(though wiccans are typically called witches, not all of them are, and not all witches are wiccans..like me. i am typically called a christian witch because fundementally i follow the bible on many things...but i dont believe it is the end-all truth) 5. skepticsannontatedbible.com : i love this site. yes they are skeptics, but it is a good resource...fair warning, if you are going to use the site, make sure you read things in context...they sometimes take things out of context (which drives me nuts!) anyways, thanks for the warm invite! sorry this is sooooo long! blessings to you all, 3/4angel ps: just to start a new conversation...does anyone here believe that god lies? (i've got an interesting tidbit of scripture on this one that just makes me love this question!) |
| From: "threequartersangel" |
| Subject: Re: U know what i think? |
| AHA!!! Thanks Fredrik. I think I know why this can't
happen. If there were no hormones, I don't think we could develop correctly. Certain hormones are essential for us to function right. |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |