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| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| So what possible reason would god have? Just (pun
intended) for the hell of it? |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: Re: my positions on few things... |
| i think that god (or a god or gods or whathaveyou)
created the world but had us built with the ability to change inorder to adapt to our invironments so that we evolve. i dont think god created everything just the way it is" exactly what I think - except I couldn't think of the words to explain it as well. And I believe that it was God who did it (not gos etc) but that's pretty what I was going for in my last post. |
| From: "princessdnz" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| I don't know if animals have a soul etc. I would like
to think so because I find it hard to think of heaven without animals. however, I don't know how you classify a being as having a soul. Lots of things seperrate us from animals tho, like, um. well I guess we're actually more similar than I thought coz I can't think of anything. Some people say the only reasons we are 'above' other animals is because we have opposable thumbs. I'm not so sure about that tho. Don't monkeys or apes or chimps have them? To be perfectly honest, there are perfectly good arguments for both creation and evolution. to say that just one is correct is very trusting of circumstantial evidence really. Thats not a bad thing - please don't take it the wrong way. But personally I don't think that arguing over which is right is going to make one or the other that right one. even if all the people in the world belived in the same thing, it wouldn';t necesarily be the right one. I think that there are some things that we are not supposed to know. And it doesn't matter where we came from - it matters where we're going. |
| From: "princessdnz" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| actually i have to say that God does want and He does
desier and He also loves, feels happy, sad, and can even hate NOT people but sin and the sins ppl committ, even get angry, (anger ant wrong or bad thats, rage) He has emotions like us 4 we r made in the image of Him its the things like being synical and negitive that He does not have. I mean He has grace 4 He sent His Son 2 save us cos He wanted us have the Choice of being with Him, we don't deserve the choice but we have got 1 cos thats God's grace. |
| From: "dbarkk" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| "And it doesn't matter where we came from - it
matters where we're going." That, above, is something i totally agree with and have thought for years. |
| From: "dbarkk" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| i would love to think that animals have a soul, and
if there is a heaven then they will be there. makes me wonder though....when adam and eve ate that apple(if you are going by the bible) it says that all things were effected by it(thus we have death, illness,etc...even animals). so do animals need a saviour too? are there atheistic animals that will supposedly go to hell too? lol sorry, that sounds almost insane to even think about...but it is interesting, is it not? lol bright blessings, 3/4angel |
| From: "threequartersangel" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| Yeah, Primates have opposable thumbs. It's certainly
not the only thing that seperates us from the animals, but it definetly helped us along. Language was also an important development of man. Chimps and some other animals have their own crude languages (although Chimps can be taught sign language pretty well I think), but humanoids surpassed all of them. We were lucky enough to be put into a situation to evolve with language and knowledge. Chimps were never forced to develop much of either. Dolphins I dare say have remarkable intelligence, perhaps even challenging some primates. They actually use coral reefs to trap their prey, so in a sense they're tool users :). I read somewhere about people tring to communcate with dolphins, anyone hear anything about that? "Even if all the people in the world belived in the same thing, it wouldn';t necesarily be the right one." Yep, used to be the majority of the world believed the earth was flat, and that bad blood was the cause of disease (ouch...) LOL. |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| Emotions of a supreme being always confusd me. When
something comes up that we like, we get happy. When things go wrong, we get sad, or mad. How can god have emotions when he knows exactly what is going to happen? He's perfect so he knows what's going to happen, and he always has. How does god want? He has everything he needs, and he needs absolutely nothing, he's perfect. He created the world to be the way it is (for whatever reason), how could he want it any other way than the way he made it? Did he screw up? |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| yes, there are remarkable things being done with
bottlenose dolphins. they are being taught to understand sign languag(obviously they cant sign) as well as basic math and stuff like that(identify colors, etc.) its quite amazing!(sorry, i love marine wildlife...wanted to be a marine biologist! lol) bright blessings, 3/4angel |
| From: "threequartersangel" |
| Subject: Re: re creation vs evolution. |
| Awesome! Any creature that can understand math and
language has my vote for being regarded as (at least semi) intelligent life. I remember visiting the zoo a year or so ago, the dolphins were practically the only animals you could pet. I've also heard several stories about dolphins protecting people in the sea (anyone hear anything about this?) In general, the seem to like humans (and they certainly like to show off :)). |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: "Believe In....." |
| I just joined this group and answered some of the
polling questions. Suggestion: If you're going to ask atheists what they "believe in", you may not get appropriate responses. Better to ask, "Do you accept as fact:" The phrase "believe in" brings to mind gods, fairies, elves, magic, Santa Claus, ESP, and all other nonsensical things that require "belief". No one ever says they "believe in" trees. I do not "believe in" evolution - no one "believes in" evolution. Creationism requires "belief". With the overwhelming evidence presented for its validity, I accept evolution (the bedrock of modern biology) as a fact. Just as I accept gravity as a fact - no "belief" required. |
| From: "tout_de_sweet" |