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| Subject: None |
| God didn't 'make us that way' - He made us free will
to do what we want - to believe in Him, to sin, to do whatever. Why did He give us free will if He knew it was going to hurt us? Because He didn't want to make a race of clones, who constantly worship Him and go about the daily buisness like a forced labour camp. He gave us the choice whether or not we sin. When we sin, it hurts Him. It makes Him sad, angry etc - all emotions that He can feel, because He loves us, and anyone capable of loving is capable of hurting. Of course God will care if you shoot heaps of peesire to hurt and corrupt, we were NOT born with the instinct to hurt other people and therefor God couldn't have made us that way. Even if you argue that animals in the wild kill there own kind in competition etc, that definately does NOT give anyone the excuse to go around shooting people. You don't shoot people because of 'instinct' you shoot people because you are sick and twisted and your mind has been poisoned by the devil. I'm sorry if I have gone on but I am soooo against violence and guns and war, and I could go on for ages about it. God bless, ~Demelza So, when we do bad things, got gets mad at us. BUT, god obviously made us that way (i.y. opinion). Sounds very unlikely to me. That means that I can shoot how many ppl I want, gawd won't care, since he made me that way. |
| From: "princessdnz" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] (unknown) |
| Heh... It it hurts him, makes him sad, angry or any other emotion - he is not a perfect being. A perfect being does not have a mind clouded by emotions. The reason ppl say that "he cares, he will wack you if you sin" is a made up reason to bring up good christian children. \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: None |
| what on earth are you talking about> you think
that because God feels emotions He is not perfect? what a load of rubbish!!! How, dare I ask, do you define perfect? someone who believes in things that only science can explain? are you perfect? God's head is not clouded by emotion - He does not let emotion cloud His judgement. I really don't know how you can say that God is not perfect because He has emotions. I mean, sure. You don't believe in Him, but where is your reasoning behind that? It makes not sense at all. Do you think that emotions iare a burden and therefore a perfect being would not have them? SOOO NOT TRUE!!!! "it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all" - meaning hurting is bad, but it is made up by love. it is much better to have feelings like love, anger, pain, joy etc, than to be an emotionless being with no feelings whatsoever. If God didn't have feelings then He would not be a merciful God and there would be far far less people in heaven than there are. God loves us, so He is willing to forgive us for our sins. |
| From: "princessdnz" |
| Subject: Re: [what_do_u_believe] (unknown) |
| If one have emotions, they are bound to cloud your
judgement in some way. If one is perfect, then, one does not have anything to cloud ones judgement. So, you are saying that god's judgement is not clouded by his emotion?? What about the noak's ark story??? God became so angry with the humans that he decided to kill them all. I'd say that's couded judgement. How do you know how many ppl that are in heaven?? How do you know there is a heaven at all? For all we know, it could only be stories passed on from father to son, mother to doughter for generations, only to be a little less further from the truth every time. Not that i believe the original story was true. \Fredrik |
| From: "Fredrik Malmquist" |
| Subject: Re: Political beliefs? what is urs? |
| some of your points on how to make the world more
fair seem pretty interesting to me and yet send up a giant red flag. although I am NOT christian, i will NEVER be for combining all the countries in a world govt. or throwing away our weapons for peace and all that. I may be just a tad paranoid(Yeah i know) but im not messing with bible prophecy...like i have told many before...if we combine as one world govt. in my life-time, i dont know how but i'll convince myself that christianity is the truth(even though right now i dont think it completely is) and i'll be running for the hills to hide! just my opinion. bright blessings, 3/4angel |
| From: "threequartersangel" |
| Subject: Re: "Believe In....." |
| It's believers who mix up belief and faith too much,
and play around with such words. If the atheist says, "I believe in evolution" (meaning accepting as fact), the theist replies, "Belief! See, you do have faith in something." This board shows that someone is confused, refering to atheism as a "belief". Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods (a=without, theism=god-beliefs). Children have a "belief" in Santa Claus. When that belief is abandoned, we don't say that adults have a "belief" that there is no Santa Claus - we simply say they do not believe. |
| From: "tout_de_sweet" |
| Subject: ICR |
| this is the link to the Institute for Creation
Research (ICR). it is a christian organization that "tries to" prove creation using scientific principles. Although sometimes I believe they are wayyyyy off the mark, some of their info does spark some interest and make alittle sense. I'm just adding it for y'all to look at...and prove the fact that creation has some points that can be "scientifically proven" as well. http://www.icr.org/ bright blessings, 3/4angel |
| From: "threequartersangel" |
| Subject: None |
| A perfect being knows everything, and can do
everything. Using Fredrik's example, how could god be angry before the flood? He knew exactly what was going to happen, he always had because he's all- knowing, and he created the world knowing it would be exactly the way it is today. How could he justify or even feel anger? Agression is caused by chemicals in the brain (as are all emotions) Why and how does god have anger? |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |
| Subject: None |
| "God didn't 'make us that way' - He made us free
will to do what we want - to believe in Him, to sin, to do whatever. Why did He give us free will if He knew it was going to hurt us? Because He didn't want to make a race of clones, who constantly worship Him and go about the daily buisness like a forced labour camp." So how come we're constantly being told to worship him? Your god (or at least the Christian Church) always seems to want us to worship him and pray constantly, the ones that don't are considered inferior... Why didn't he make clones? Seriously, he knows what we're going to do, he knows everything, he may as well make us to do what he wants us to do (if such a being could have desire). If I was god, I'd have given up on my job a long long time ago. I'd be bored to death! With infinite knowledge and power at his disposal we ARE robots, he made us, and he knows what we're going to do and say. God talking to man would be like man talking to a wall. "He gave us the choice whether or not we sin. When we sin, it hurts Him." How can we hurt a being with infinite strength? "It makes Him sad, angry etc - all emotions that He can feel, because He loves us," Again, how could he become sad or angry? (A longer point is in another topic) "and anyone capable of loving is capable of hurting. Of course God will care if you shoot heaps of peesire to hurt and corrupt, we were NOT born with the instinct to hurt other people and therefor God couldn't have made us that way. Even if you argue that animals in the wild kill there own kind in competition etc, that definately does NOT give anyone the excuse to go around shooting people. You don't shoot people because of 'instinct' you shoot people because you are sick and twisted and your mind has been poisoned by the devil. I'm sorry if I have gone on but I am soooo against violence and guns and war, and I could go on for ages about it." I disagree only with the theology in that statement. Humans as social creatures have natural instincts to help each other. If we see a small child in the middle of a busy freeway, we all have a natural instinct to dart out and save it. Ironically this was actually a process of natural selection. Technically those instincts could be considered selfish because the instinct was formed when humans lived in groups, and the ones that helped out the most got to eat. This was because other selfish creatures wanted to keep the sharing ones around (ergh, I think it was farther back and more complicated than that, but I'm pretty sure that's the basic idea). I think violence comes mainly from fear. Fear is such a powerful emotion for us, because it's (or at one time was) essential for our survival. |
| From: "odi_brassicium" |