bismillaahir rahmaanir rahiim -- in the name of allah, rahman, rahim

 

 

    Monday, 22 October 2001


The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by the ignorance of Islam"

PARIS - He is one of the spiritual leaders of Islam who best knows the land and the people of Central Asia, the area which holds the world in suspense.  He is the Imam, the religious leader and guide of the Ishamilite, whose communities are spread in various countries of Asia and Africa, but also in Europe and in North America. Throughout Iran, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan and West China, there are more than five million Ishmaelite.  ......

"I think that monotheistic religions, having an analogous belief in an only God, should and must dialogue. The three religions which Abraham inspired have many more common facets than those which divide them. Religion must be a means by which to affirm the ethical significance of existence, irrelevant of one's faith. If we want social development, to meet halfway, to dialogue, peace, we cannot neglect ethics and the impact which education and culture have on social growth. 

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EXCERPTS: 

"ENHANCING PLURALISM"
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I HOPE THAT MY REMARKS MIGHT 
RELEASE SOME MORE BUZZING, BECAUSE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WILL
SAY THIS EVENING REFERS TO "ENHANCING PLURALISM".


 

  Speech by His Highness the Aga Khan

Keynote Speech by His Highness the Aga Khan Concluding the Prince Claus Fund's Conference on Culture and Development, Amsterdam, 7th September 2002

Your Majesty
Honourable Ministers
Excellencies
Directors of the Prince Claus Fund
Ladies and Gentlemen,

These initiatives constitute highly creative investments in the
IDENTIFICATION AND PREMEATION OF FORCES WORKING FOR THE STRENGTHENING AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE PLURALISM OF CULTURES that will provide strength into the future.

IT ALSO ALLOWS ME TO STATE MY CONVICTION THAT THE STRENGTHENING OF INSTITUTIONS SUPPORTING PLURALISM IS AS CRITICAL for the welfare and progress of human society as are poverty alleviation and conflict prevention. In fact all three are intimately related.

The field of development has yielded more than its share of buzzwords. Phrases like, "civil society", "poverty alleviation", and "sustainable development" are familiar to many of you, as is "enabling environment" for which I must carry responsibility, since it was the Enabling Environment Conference in Nairobi sponsored by the Aga Khan Development Network, the World Bank and others which brought that phrase into common use. 

I HOPE THAT MY REMARKS MIGHT RELEASE SOME MORE BUZZING, BECAUSE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WILL SAY THIS EVENING REFERS TO "ENHANCING PLURALISM".

I would go even further and say that the inability of human society to RECOGNISE PLURALISM as a fundamental value constitutes a real handicap for its development and a serious danger for our future. Perhaps the most common of these ingredients has been the failure of those involved to RECOGNISE  the fact that human society is ESSENTIALLY PLURALIST, and THAT PEACE and development require that we seek, by every means possible, TO INVEST IN AND ENHANCE, THAT PLURALISM.

A necessary condition for PLURALISM to succeed is that the general education of the populations involved must be sufficiently complete so that individual groups, defined by ethnicity, RELIGION, language and the like, understand the potential consequences of actions that might impinge on others. 

I must say that, as a Muslim, I stand here in front of you in amazement that the Western world had to experience the revolution in Iran to learn about
Shia Islam, or the civil war in Afghanistan to learn about Wahhabi Islam. Please remember that we are talking about a religion followed by one-fifth of the world's population! This is the equivalent of Muslims being unaware of the distinction between Catholics and Protestants within Christianity. The point I wish to make is that the governments, civil societies and the peoples of this world will be unable to build strong pluralist societies with the present level of global cultural ignorance, and particularly about its PLURALISM

THE ACTIONS TO ENHANCE PLURALISM HAVE TO BE MATCHED IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD by programmes to alleviate poverty because, left alone, poverty will provide a context for special interests to pursue their goals in aggressive terms. 

I would like to leave you with a final thought, and some questions and conclusions that flow from it. Developing support for PLURALISM does not occur naturally in human society. It is a concept which must be nurtured  every day, in every forum-in large and small government and private institutions; in civil society organisations working in the arts, culture, and public affairs, in the media; in the law, and in justice- particularly in terms of social justice, such as health, social safety nets and education; and in economic justice, such as employment
opportunities and access to financial services.

In addition each of us can help ENHANCE PLURALISM in our own personal, professional and institutional domains. We could play our role in favour of PLURALISM as public opinion makers. We could participate in and support the efforts of groups and NGOs that promote THAT CAUSE. We could volunteer our professional competences in a variety of fields, such as academic, technical or managerial. We could, also, serve the cause of PLURALISM simply through the conduct of tolerance, openness and UNDERSTANDING towards other peoples' cultures, social structures, VALUES AND FAITHS, and thereby set an EFFECTIVE EXAMPLE in our own society.

My hope is that society as a whole will not only accept the fact of its PLURALITY, but, as a consequence, will undertake, as a SOLEMN RESPONSIBILITY, to preserve and enhance it as one of ITS FUNDAMENTAL VALUES, and an inescapable condition for WORLD PEACE and further human development.

Thank you.

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PLURALISM

59:23. HUWALLAA-HULLAZII --  He is Allah, than Whom there is no other Allah, the Sovereign Lord--malikul, the Holy One -- qudduus, Peace--salaamul, the Keeper of Faith--mu'minul, the Guardian, the Majestic, the Compeller, the Superb. SUBHAANALLAAHI -- HOLY IS ALLAH -- Glorified be Allah from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him). 

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17:110. Say: pray unto ALLAH, or pray unto RAHMAN, HE WHO ye pray to, His are the most beautiful NAMES. 110. Quli odAAoo ALLAHA awi odAAoo ALRRAHMANA ayyan MA tadAAoo FALAHU AL-ASMAO ALHUSNA

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YASIN 36:58. SALAAM -- PEACE FROM THEIR LORD RAHIIM

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'THE UNITY OF GOD' & 'RELIGIOUS PLURALISM' 

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THE BIBLE AND SALEM

'SALEM - PEACE'

'SHILOH MEANS PEACE'

'ISLAM MEANS PEACE'

 

 

   003.065 O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him ? Have ye then no sense ? 003.066 Lo! ye are those who argue about that whereof ye have some knowledge: Why then argue ye concerning that whereof ye have no knowledge ? Allah knoweth. Ye know not.

002.062 Lo! Those who believe and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
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ISLAM/IC GREETING IN THE BIBLE

 

 JEHOVAH - SHALOM  'THE LORD IS PEACE'

Judges 6:23 (DBY) And JEHOVAH said to him, PEACE BE UNTO THEE: 24 And Gideon built there an altar to Jehovah, and called it  JEHOVAH - SHALOM [THE LORD IS PEACE]. To this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites.

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'until Shiloh come'

Genesis 49:10 (KJV) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people [be].

   Ge 49:10
The septre; an emblem of power and authority.
Shiloh; the Messiah, Prince of peace, sent as a Saviour. Isa 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1-10; Jer 23:5-6; Da 9:25-27; Mt 1:21-23.
To him; to Shiloh.
The gathering of the people; or, the obedience of the people. See De 18:18-19. They shall accept him as their King, and he shall reign over them.
The fact that the sceptre has long ago departed from the tribe of Judah, who have ceased to govern Israel, shows that the Messiah has come, and that the expectation of a future Messiah is vain. 

   10. until Shiloh come--Shiloh--this obscure word is variously interpreted to mean "the sent" (Joh 17:3), "the seed" (Isa 11:1), the "peaceable or prosperous one" (Eph 2:14) --that is, the Messiah (Isa 11:10; Ro 15:12); and when He should come, "the tribe of Judah should no longer boast either an independent king or a judge of their own" [CALVIN]. The Jews have been for eighteen centuries without a ruler and without a judge since Shiloh came, and "to Him the gathering of the people has been."
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Luke 24:36 (KJV) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, PEACE [BE] UNTO YOU. John 20:21 (KJV) Then said Jesus to them again, PEACE [BE] UNTO YOU: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Hebrews 7:2 (KJV) To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also KING OF SALEM, WHICH IS, KING OF PEACE;

Romans 3:17 (KJV) And the WAY OF PEACE have they not known:

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV) And the very GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY you wholly; Philippians 4:9 (KJV) and the GOD OF PEACE shall be with you. Romans 15:33 (KJV) Now the GOD OF PEACE [be] with you all. Amen. 
Romans 16:20 (KJV) And the GOD OF PEACE shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. 

Ephesians 6:15 (KJV) And your feet shod with the preparation of  THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;

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'SALEM' - MELCHIZEDEK & THE PATRIARCHS

    originally the name of a locality of which  MELCHIZEDEK WAS THE KING (gen14:18), and was times identified with jerusalem. ... it MUST be emphasized, however,  that the name SALEM IS NOT properly another toponym for jerusalem, nor an abbreviation of the name of the city, the PRE-ISRAELITE [pagan] origin of which it is certain, but a poetic AND RELIGIOUS APPELLATION, in spite of the fancy explanation of jeosphus [antiq. l.x.2] and of medieval mentators.

the identity of SALEM and jerusalem in gen. 14:18 has been variously CHALLENGED in NON-JEWISH circles. jerome, who had accepted it at first [hebrew questions on gen 33:18], GAVE IT UP [letters 73.2], and finally came back to it [letters 108.9]. ... if accepted, it might lead to the identification of SALEM [genesis with SALIM near which john baptized [john 3:23], tentatively localized at umm el-amdan. see aenon. 

according to another tradition, based on the greek, latin and syriac of gen 33:18 REPRODUCED  IN THE KJV, 'SHALEM, a city of shechem, ' SALEM might tentatively be identified with the village of SALIM, some four or five miles of balatashechem. see shalem 2. 

[the interpreter's dictionary of the bible - an illustrated encyclopedia - abington press - lib of c. c. # 62-9387

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Genesis 33:18
    Money | Salim | Shalem | Shechem

Money
Of uncoined money the first notice we have is in the history of
Abraham (Genesis 13:2; 20:16; 24:35). Next, this word is used in connection with the purchase of the cave of Machpelah (23:16), and again in connection with Jacob's purchase of a field at Shalem (Genesis 33:18,19) for "an hundred pieces of money"=an hundred Hebrew kesitahs (q.v.), i.e., probably pieces of money, as is supposed, bearing the figure of a lamb.

Salim
peaceful, a place near AEnon (q.v.), on the west of Jordan, where John baptized (John 3:23). It was probably the Shalem mentioned in Genesis 33:18, about 7 miles south of AEnon, at the head of the great Wady Far'ah, which formed the northern boundary of Judea in the Jordan valley.

Shalem
perfect, a place (probably the village of
Salim) some 2 miles east of Jacob's well. There is an abundant supply of water, which may have been the reason for Jacob's settling at this place (Genesis 33:18-20). The Revised Version translates this word, and reads, "Jacob came in peace to the city of Shechem," thus not regarding it as a proper name at all.

Shechem
shoulder. The son of Hamor the Hivite (Genesis 33:19; 34).

  • A descendant of Manasseh (Numbers 26:31; Joshua 17:2).
  • A city in Samaria (Genesis 33:18), called also Sichem (12:6), Sychem (Acts 7:16). It stood in the narrow sheltered valley between Ebal on the north and Gerizim on the south, these mountains at their base being only some 500 yards apart. 
  • Here Abraham pitched his tent and built his first altar in the Promised Land, and received the first divine promise (Genesis 12:6,7). Here also Jacob "bought a parcel of a field at the hands of the children of Hamor" after his return from Mesopotamia, and settled with his household, which he purged from idolatry by burying the teraphim of his followers under an oak tree, which was afterwards called "the oak of the sorcerer" (Genesis 33:19; 35:4; Judges 9:37).

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the bible's irrefutable reply to:

friends of israel

and steve van nattan, a self-proclaimed jackass

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the 'holy bible'
CORRUPTING 
the 'word of god'

 

important issues covered

'THE BIBLE MAINTENANCE SERVICES'

john 1

Text Box:  kai; qeo;ß h\n oJ lovgoß.

'KAI QEOV HN O LOGOV' 

meaning: 

'and god was the word'  

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SENTENCE RECONSTRUCTED

'and the WORD was god'

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this small  ',' has made the big difference

'HIS SEED,'

 

Josue 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from the borders of Mesopotamia: and brought him into the land of Chanaan:  

AND I MULTIPLIED HIS SEED,

 

 

   

      SALEM        

  SAMARIA: SCHECHEM IN THE NORTH   

 

 

   

JERUSALEM  

BETHLEHEM

JUDAEA:   IN THE SOUTH

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[the new american bible, saint joseph edition, pp. 33]

IMPORTANT

1.     THE NAME OF THE NORTHERN  CITY OF  'SALEM' WAS NOT THE OLD NAME OF THE SOUTHERN CITY OF JERUSALEM

2. THE NORTHERN CITY OF 'SALEM' WAS ALSO NOT THE OLD SOUTHERN CITY OF JERUSALEM

see the above MAPS

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ONLY JEBUSITE 
WAS THE OLD NAME &  CITY OF JERUSALEM

 

 PROOF - THE BIBLE, MAPS AND ILLUSTRATIONS ONLY

please note that neither ABRAHAM nor his sons ISHMAEL and isaac had ever been to the old southern city of 'jerusalem' during the patriarchal era. 'jerusalem' did not exist then or, at least in name. and more importantly, none of these patriarchs were ever associated with jebusites [jerusalem] either. 

despite these undeniable biblical facts, some people may even try to argue that abraham, after his temptation in the Philistines' land, was guided to the 'LAND OF MORIAH and one of the mountains, in or around jebusite [jerusalem], where he prepared to offer his one and only son as a sacrifice to god, be he ISHMAEL according to the islamic tradition or, isaac according to the biblical tradition. 

however, an intelligent study of the biblical text in question will show that it is a wild card indeed, which is further subject to certain interpretations, whether they are based on some preconceived notions and/or unfounded biases. this may be due to the fact that there is absolutely nothing specific therein, like so:

as shown previously, after exiling hagar and ishmael to the 'wilderness of BEERSHEBA,' abraham WENT TO    Beersheba . he also dwelt in the land of  Philistines, that is, with or without sarah and isaac.  see genesis 21:14 & genesis 21:30-34. 

AFTER the said sacrificial EVENT, abraham RETURNED TO BEERSHEBA WITHOUT his one and only son, which he loved very much. and perhaps, this explains why we hear no more from or about  both sarah and isaac until say, some 35 years later. whereas the ISHMAELITES  were all over the place BY THEN. see Beersheba.

that said, let's continue with the above interesting narrative:

and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. And Abraham rose up early in the morning, ... and went unto the place of which God had told him. 

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this is all we can gather from the godly inspired word. now, please follow the following analysis of the same with some intelligence, if you will.

  • Instead of "Moriah" in this passage Peshitta reads "Amorites." This suggests a possible emendation of the text, which, if it be accepted, furnishes

 

 

 

  [SALEM & gerizim northern samaria, navali],

  •  a more definite ides of the land within which that memorable scene was enacted. Both Jerusalem and Gerizim, however, lay within the boundaries of the land of the Amorites. 

  • No doubt the enmity existing between the Jews and the Samaritans led them each to glorify their own holy places to the detriment of those of their rivals. 

  • Little stress can therefore be laid upon their identifications. With our present knowledge we must be content to leave the question open. 
    W. Ewing 

[map & emphasis  added, navali]
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however, we know from the bible that the immensely despised 'city of a stranger' [Judges 19:10-12,18], in judea was called JEBUSITE vis-à-vis jerusalem. see below.

and more importantly, the nation and country of israel was only born and named after jacob -- israel, abraham's grandson and not before him. in the biblical terms only, these were the 'gentile hebrews or foreigners' from the other side of the river, as depicted in the book of genesis and also confirmed by joshua. see below.

 

the bible unveils another of its long held 'secret mysteries'

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'THE BIBLE MAINTENANCE SERVICES'

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although we all know the obvious answer to this question from the bible, could there have been another possibility besides the obvious, which might have been overlooked or deliberately  suppressed altogether? that is quite possible. please allow me to walk you through that maze as well.

after several centuries of inactivity, we are literally seeing a resurgence of  'THE BIBLE MAINTENANCE SERVICES'  - 'in the name of the father, the son and the holy ghost.' no pun intended. 

we have seen already as to how the old testament was composed or more likely, compiled from several known sources including the pre-biblical, the pre-israelite, the pre-judaic and the pre-mosaic writings, when it did. the new testament went through the same pick and choose process over several centuries as well. however, that may have been just the beginning in the latter case.

rest assured, in the more recent editions of the holy bible, a few enthusiastic editors have literally gone out of their way to show that jesus was either depicted as 'YHWH' or 'joshua' in the old testament.

nevertheless, that very 'YHWH' & 'joshua' had also revealed something incredible, which for the most part was either IGNORED and/or deliberately DISTORTED by some of the bible EDITORS, scholars and experts alike. take for example:

Joshua 24:3,4 :: New Living Translation (NLT)

Joshua 24
3But I took your ancestor Abraham from the land beyond the Euphrates and led him into the land of Canaan. I gave him many descendants T_H_R_O_U_G_H_ his son Isaac. 4To Isaac I gave Jacob and Esau. To Esau I gave the hill country of Seir, while Jacob and his children went down into Egypt.
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think about it. i  will return to this momentarily. 

but first, allow me to lay a strong foundation as well, explain the following pertinent passages based only on the bible's own internal evidence. 

Deuteronomy 21:15 (KJV) If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, [both] the beloved and the hated; and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Deuteronomy 21:17 (KJV) But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated [for] the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he [is] the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn [is] his. {that...: Heb. that is found with him}

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believe me, some have even argued that the said mosaic law was UNKNOWN during the patriarchal era and hence, it is invalid. hey says who? please explain the following, if you believe otherwise.

rights of the 'firstborn' were taken away

despite the lord god's promises to both abraham and sarah, the bible asserts that her human weaknesses prevailed over her husband, the established tradition of the time and ishmael's God-given birthright.

a.    Genesis 21:9 (KJV) And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.

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and just within a generation afterwards, history repeated itself in a different garb yet. it REVISITED in the form of 'maternal greed and brotherly DECEPTION'  - and once again,  prevailed over the established tradition of the time and esau's God-given birthright. 

b.    Genesis 27:35 (KJV) And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing.  Genesis 27:36 (KJV) And he [esau, the firstborn of isaac], said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me? {Jacob: that is, A supplanter}

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and for what it's worth, the informed and not so informed biblical scholars have taken great pride in explaining it away as an inconsequential matter.

even so, the satanic cum human greed in all its forms, deceptions and/or ingenuities could not supersede the lord god's predestined and ultimate divine plan, as will be seen herein once more.

allow me to continue from where we left off. my  above comments were regarding:

Joshua 24:3,4 :: New Living Translation (NLT) , wherein was asserted, 'I gave him many descendants T_H_R_O_U_G_H his son Isaac..'

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in addition to my earlier comments, please note that:

and as such,  prudence dictates that if the firstborn was NOT acknowledged as the man's son and also if the so-called promised son, the 2nd born in this case - was not born as yet, then the person in question will have no descendants at all. no two ways about it.

and in that case, 'I gave him many descendants,' makes no sense at all since they came BEFORE the birth of the 2ND BORN and not after him, as will be seen from several other editions of the bible, one of which was very PRECISE in its purport. 

this small  ',' has made the big difference

  1. Joshua 24:3 (KJV) ...., and multiplied his S_E_E_D, and gave him Isaac. Jos 24:4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

  2. b.    Joshua 24:3 (ASV and multiplied his S_E_E_D, and gave him Isaac. 4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

  3. Joshua 24:3 (DBY) ...., and multiplied his S_E_E_D and gave him Isaac. 4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau; 

  4. Joshua 24:3 (KJ2000) and multiplied his descendants, and gave him Isaac. 4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

  5. Joshua 24:3 (WEB) ... and multiplied his S_E_E_D, and gave him Isaac. 4 I gave to Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

  6. Joshua 24:3 (KJVSL) ... and multiplied <rabah> his S_E_E_D <zera`>, and gave <nathan> him Isaac <Yitschaq>. 4 And I gave <nathan> unto Isaac <Yitschaq> Jacob <Ya`aqob> and Esau <`Esav>: 

  7. MODERN KJV   Jos 24:3 and multiplied his S_E_E_D, and gave him Isaac. Jos 24:4 And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

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although there are other editions of the bible in which the verses under review have been distorted to a large degree, the 'Joshua 24:3,4 :: New Living Translation (NLT)' - edition/ translation was perhaps, the only one that had added the word - 'T_H_R_O_U_G_H' - in order to give this biblical text  a totally different and a brand new meaning, which per se, runs contrary to all the known facts in this regard. please feel free to verify the same. click on the above link and then compare this edition of the bible with all the others given at that address as well.

in any case, the lord god's own desire and abraham's, sarah's and hagar's own biblical episodes are some of the best examples we have before us in the said regard.

I HOPE THAT MY REMARKS MIGHT 
RELEASE SOME MORE BUZZING, BECAUSE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WILL SAY THIS EVENING REFERS TO "ENHANCING PLURALISM".


 

  Speech by His Highness the Aga Khan

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'RELIGIOUS PLURALISM'
GOD CREATED A PLURALISTIC TRADITION & SOCIETY IN ABRAHAM

 

please review this oft-repeated biblical text in this new shade of light, if you will.

thy seed after thee in THEIR GENERATIONS

Genesis 17:7 (KJV) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [ABRAHAM] and thy seed after thee in THEIR GENERATIONS for an everlasting covenant, TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, AND TO THY SEED AFTER THEE. Genesis 17:9 (KJV) And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in THEIR GENERATIONS.

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fighting against god's desire

NOTE
IT WAS THE LORD GOD'S PROMISE & UTMOST DESIRE 'TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, AND TO THY SEED AFTER THEE.' 

  • although both satan & the 'unbelievers' among the children of adam/ abraham have been since time immemorial, FIGHTING against THE LORD GOD'S above promise and desire; 

  • rest assured, he had created a PLURALISTIC SOCIETY of which, he wanted to 'BE THE GOD' ;

  • in other words, to be 'RECOGNIZED' as such.

  • he is the one and only lord god of all mankind. 

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allow me to explain

  • abraham's was the first real 'PLURALISTIC FAMILY' in the bible. 

  • and ISHMAEL was the very foundation & focal point of that first 'pluralistic society'

please review the following with some intelligence, if you will.

Genesis 15:1 (KJV) After these things the word of the YHWH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward

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how did abram [later abraham], take OR understand god's above ASSURANCE? remember that the lord god said, 'I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward.

2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house [is] this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 

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the lord god's reply and promise

4 And, behold, the word of the LORD [came] unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

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  • in other words, not only was THE FIRST EVER DIVINE PROMISE FULFILLED IN ONLY ISHMAEL;

  • but also he was abraham's ONLY SON & SEED up to this point in time.

  • ISHMAEL was isaac's senior by 13-14 solid years, says the book of genesis.

let us continue in the light of this biblical background only.

YHWH & Shechem

for some inexplicable divine reason, YHWH had chosen Shechem and its neighborhood for HIS DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS--REVELATIONS--AAYAATS--AVATARS.

  • Genesis 16:15 (KJV) And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael. 16 And Abram [was] fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram. Genesis 21:20 (KJV) And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

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  • Genesis 12:6 (ASV) And Abram passed through the land unto THE PLACE OF SHECHEM, unto the oak of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. 7 And Jehovah appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto Jehovah, who appeared unto him.

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  •    Text Box:     Joshua 24:1 (KJV) And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem,  and they presented themselves before God

  • Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, 

  • Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, 

  • YOUR FATHERS DWELT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD IN OLD TIME, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. 

  • Joshua 24:3(KJV)  AND I TOOK YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM

  •  FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD, 

  • and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, 

  AND

    MULTIPLIED HIS S_E_E_D, 

  • and

  • gave him Isaac

  • Joshua 24:4 (KJV) And I gave unto Isaac Jacob and Esau: 

  • and I gave unto Esau mount Seir, to possess it; 

  • but Jacob and his children went down into Egypt.

Moses and Aaron

  • Joshua 24:5 (ASV) And I sent Moses and Aaron, and I plagued Egypt, according to that which I did in the midst thereof: and afterward I brought you out.

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please review the above very carefully before you proceed any further.

1.    it seems as though ISHMAEL'S  real identity - in this particular biblical narrative was deliberately CONCEALED by the lord god himself and/or by its inspired author and, not so without a good reason. 

THE THREAT OF ISHMAEL'S PREDOMINANT PRESENCE WAS EVER SO REAL. 

Genesis 16:12 (KJV) And he [ISHMAEL] will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the PRESENCE of all his brethren

[please note that, 'all his brethren'  were ONLY ISAAC, ESAU, JACOB-ISRAEL and their descendants among OTHER children of abraham. hagar herself had no other children].

therefore, deliberate actions of various kinds were taken to minimize his role and importance. as if that was not enough, conscious efforts were also made to alter and/or expunge anything that might guide the seeker to him in the bible.

2.    as just seen the phrase, 'AND MULTIPLIED HIS S_E_E_D' - clearly alluded & applied to ONLY ISHMAEL

PROOF

A.    THE FIRST EVER 'DIVINE PROMISE' WAS FULFILLED IN ONLY ISHMAEL

  • Genesis 15:4 (KJV) And, behold, the word of the LORD [came] unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 

B.    FULFILLED SOME 11 YEARS LATER 

  • Genesis 21:13 (KJV) And also of the son [ISHMAEL] of the bondwoman will I make a nation, BECAUSE HE IS THY [abraham] S_E_E_D.

C.   SEVERAL CENTURIES LATER 'JOSHUA-JESUS' - RECOGNIZED THAT FULFILLMENT

  • Joshua 24:3(KJV)  'AND MULTIPLIED HIS S_E_E_D.'

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3.   note again: the said godly PROMISE  [Genesis 15:4] - was fulfilled in only ISHMAEL some 13-14 years BEFORE the birth of isaac.  he was abraham's 'sole seed and heir' at that time.

4.    whereas, after ISHMAEL'S BIRTH, abram did not yearn for another child. he was 86 years old at the time.  

5.   at age 99, god then changed his name to abraham and promised to make him a father of many nations. 

6.    then he made another covenant with ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED.

  in other words, 'ONLY ISHMAEL' was the son of the 'FIRST DIVINE PROMISE'   see genesis 15:4. 

Ishmael -- a two-fold blessing

HAGAR

Genesis 16:10 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. {Ishmael: that is, God shall hear}

ABRAHAM

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

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paul confirms

Galatians 4:23 (KJV) But he [ishmael]  [who was] of the bondwoman [hagar]  was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [sarah]  [was] by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. {covenants: or, testaments} {Sinai: Gr. Sina}

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. {answereth to: or, is in the same rank with}

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moses confirms

Deuteronomy 33:2 (KJV) And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them. {a fiery...: Heb. a fire of law}

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please note that, ISHMAEL was already spoken of as 'thy seed.' also, he was PROMISED a large number of descendants LONG BEFORE  isaac was ever born, a fact dwelt upon later by joshua -- jesus himself.'

THAT SAID, the following promise was made when ISHMAEL was already 13 years old.

Isaac

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the n_e_x_t year.

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'as is' the above promise was not fulfilled until a year later.

   joshua--jesus on the other hand, had handled this matter in precisely the same ORDER & CONTEXT. 

   therefore, only ISHMAEL was the one alluded to and meant @ Joshua 24:3(KJV) ;

that is, even BEFORE any mention of isaac was made therein. 

please note that AFTER fulfillment of the first DIVINE PROMISE, the lord god made ANOTHER promise to abraham re: his 2nd 'son and seed' namely, isaac.

MEANING: the lord god himself had already DRAWN up plans for the 2 ABRAHAMAIC BRANCHES long before the 'promised sons' were born to abraham.

DESPITE the 2nd promise, NOWHERE in the bible did the lord god himself say that 'isaac was abraham's sole seed & heir' -- NOWHERE! furthermore, he did not revoke any of the promises made re: ISHMAEL.

that was ONLY SARAH'S DECISION. see genesis 21:10.

NOW, review the god's plan in another context

Isaac

Genesis 17:19 (KJV) And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him. 

Ishmael

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Isaac

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ishmael

22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham. 23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

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NOTE AGAIN
DESPITE the above promise, NOWHERE did the lord god say that isaac was abraham's sole heir or seed. on the contrary, he BLESSED ISHMAEL and also PROMISED  him 12 princes, multiply him exceedingly as well, make him a great nation.

the lord god reiterated this PROMISE some two years before isaac's actual birth. this very DIVINE and unmistakable trend was also reflected upon later @  joshua verses 24:3,4.  see below.

on the other hand, despite the said divine promises, etc., isaac's royal, corrupt and impure dynasty would have met with its TOTAL demise or annihilation long BEFORE ITS DUE TIME, had it not been for ITS god sent SAVIORS viz, the ISHMAELITES.

STOP & REFLECT
not only do we NOW have a more complete historical and biblical picture into the lives of these patriarchs but also it was asserted in the above text that:

  • and 

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  • MULTIPLIED HIS SEED

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  • and

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  • gave him isaac. 

  • And  

  • I gave unto Isaac

  1. what did it mean then? 

  2. did the ORIGINAL biblical meaning ever change in spite of isaac's birth? 

  3. on the other hand, how did the lord god himself 'reinforce and implement' his own predestine plan?

i am sure any grade 12 student can and will be able to explain these  stupendous verses 'as is.' so here we go again.

AMONG YOUR FATHERS WERE ALSO INCLUDED

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this then, was the unarguable word of Jehovah, the God of Israel, as just seen.

in other words, even the lord god of israel recognized 'ISHMAEL' as abraham's son and seed LONG BEFORE he recognized isaac or even made any promises regarding the latter.

PLEASE FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING ANALYSIS VERY CLOSELY.  

     1.    AND 

    MULTIPLIED HIS SEED  [incognito -- THE firstborn]

no descendants will be born into this world WITHOUT THE FIRSTBORN CHILD.

2.    AND  [isaac -- the 2nd born]

3.    AND  [unto isaac] 

4.    AND [esau -- the firstborn of the twins]

5.    BUT  [jacob -- 2nd of the twins]

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notice the order of narration per se, and also the priority given  to the sons and grandsons in order of their respective birth only.

ISHMAEL 

Genesis 21:13 (KJV) And also of the son [ISHMAEL] of the bondwoman will I make a nation, BECAUSE HE IS THY SEED.

Exodus 13:2 (KJV) Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, [both] of man and of beast: it [is] mine.

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see how god beats them at their own game. the usual biblical tradition was to name he who was the firstborn,  ' for he [is] the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn [is] his.'  

however, an exception in the following case was made by moses, the so-called author of the pentateuch.

distortion of material facts

Genesis 25:9 (KJV) And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre; Genesis 25:11 (KJV) And it came to pass after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac; and Isaac dwelt by the well Lahairoi. 

Results: 100
For 'firstborn'
Ge 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his
FIRSTBORN, and Heth, 
Ge 19:31 And the
FIRSTBORN said unto the younger, Our father is old, 
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however, the rule was reinstated shortly thereafter.

the firstborn of Ishmael

12 Now these [are] the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham: 13 And these [are] the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

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therefore, could HE have been the 'only son of the sacrifice'? well, here are the facts and you be the judge.

abraham's love for ishmael

Genesis 21:12 (KJV) And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

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ISHMAEL, the firstborn of abraham WAS NOT A FORSAKEN, denigrated or seen as a less important son by his loving father or the lord god, who 'was with the lad and he grew'. regardless, in this incredible manner, the bible itself solved the very riddle and mystery it had left UNSOLVED for all these millennia past. 

as noted elsewhere, every true aspect of the biblical narrative resonates and revolves around ONLY ISHMAEL.

this small  ',' has made the big difference

 

'HIS SEED,

joshua--jesus recognized the 'first pluralistic society' of his day


1.    DOUAY RHEIMS

2.    DOUAY RHEIMS

JOSUE
CHAPTER XXIV

Josue assembleth the people, and reneweth the covenant between them and God. 


Josue 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from the borders of Mesopotamia: 
and brought him into the land of Chanaan:  

AND I MULTIPLIED HIS SEED,


Josue 24:4 AND GAVE HIM ISAAC: 
AND TO HIM
again I gave Jacob and Esau. And I gave to Esau mount Seir for his possession: but Jacob and his children went down into Egypt. 

[reproduced 'as is' -- only emphasis added, navali.  please feel free to verify the above @  1.    DOUAY RHEIMS ;   2.    DOUAY RHEIMS]

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NOTE: 'HIS SEED,'

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rest assured, the holy qur'an not only lends more credence to my own interpretation but also ISHMAEL was not mentioned by name in a similar narration therein. 

and as incredible as it may sound, both moses and aaron [pbuth] have also been mentioned in the same or similar context in the latter. that is, after their eventful sojourn in the land of canaanite  jacob followed joseph to egypt with his family and descendants, where began its remarkable 'new' phase of the israelite cum mosaic history.

  1.    ISHMAEL
So We gave him tidings of a GENTLE SON

   37:99. And he said: Lo! I am going unto my Lord Who will guide me. 37:100. My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. 37:101. So We gave him tidings of a GENTLE SON. 37:102. And when (his son) was old enough to walk with him, (Abraham) said: O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee. So look, what thinkest thou? 

He said: O my father! Do that which thou art   commanded. Allah    willing, thou shalt find me of the  steadfast. 37:103.  Then, when they had both surrendered (to Allah), and he had flung him down upon his face, 37:104. We called unto him: O Abraham! 37:105. Thou hast already fulfilled the vision. Lo! thus do We reward the good. 

37:106. Lo! that verily was a TEST MANIFEST. 37:107. Then We ransomed him with a tremendous victim. 37:108. And We left for him among the later folk (the salutation): 37:109.  salaamun--Peace be unto Abraham! 37:110. Thus do We reward the good. 37:111. Lo! he is one of Our believing slaves. 

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2.    ISAAC
And we gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac

37:112. And we gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a prophet of the righteous. 

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3.    BLESSED HIM  a_n_d Isaac

37:113. And WE BLESSED HIM  a_n_d Isaac. And of their seed are some who do good, and some who plainly wrong themselves. 

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4.    Moses and Aaron

37:114. And We verily gave grace unto Moses and Aaron, 

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 and that's not all. the lord god himself settled this issue in  a very erudite manner, like so:

 

'THE UNITY OF GOD' & 'RELIGIOUS PLURALISM' 

 

THE 3 DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS -- ALL OF THEM WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ISHMAEL

 

1.    Deuteronomy 33:2 and he saith: --
`Jehovah from Sinai hath come, 

[Hagar IS MOUNT SINAI in Arabia
-- Ishmael's mother -- galatians 4:22-25
& moses] 

2.    And hath risen from Seir 

[esau married a 
daughter of ISHMAEL--Genesis 28:9] for them; 

3.    HE HATH SHONE FROM MOUNT PARAN 

[ISHMAEL -- Genesis 21:20,21], 
Habakkuk 3:3 God from Teman doth come, 
THE HOLY ONE FROM MOUNT PARAN [ISHMAEL]. 
Pause! Covered the heavens hath His majesty, 
And His praise hath filled the earth.

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De 33:2
Came from
Sinai--Seir--Paran; these mountains in and around 
the
Arabian desert are here taken collectively, as the place 
whence God manifested himself in a special manner, first to 
Moses, and afterwards to the whole people.

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so now we know why the LORD GOD OF THE HEBREWS [namely, abraham, ISHMAEL, isaac and jacob ONLY], manifested IN THE LAND OF KEDAR, ARABIA! for a complete ISHMAELITE picture connect the same with isaiah 42:9-13; habakukk 3:1.

this was the BIBLICAL ISLAM or islam in the BIBLE then. 

this then, is allah's and my holy imam's [pbuh] infinite grace and mercy upon those who would follow the truth.

let's proceed to another important aspect of islam in the BIBLE as well.

 

 

 

             003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth. 
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6



 

shalom, salaam:peace


navali
nusrat_navali.htm ;  shroud_resurrect.htm ; melchizedek ;
amdistortions.htmyalimadad.html; YA ALI MADAD ;

  shams vellani ;  birthdaygift ; the divine prophecy fulfilled ;
  shroud_resurrect5.htm ; section 1 ; section 1a ; section 1b

section 2_i_pi ; section 2_i_pii ; section 2_i_piii

frnds_israel_larry_pg_1; CLEARING CERTAIN BIBLICAL MISCONCEPTIONS; foundation destroyed;

 

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