july 10, 2002 

 

DISTINCTION & SITTING ARRANGEMENT IN THE DIVINE  MEETING 

Psalms 110

1. first:   yahwah

2.    middle: <Adoni> #one 'sit thou at MY - [yahwah] - right hand'

3.     right: <adoni> #two 'at THY - [<adoni> #one] - right hand'

meaning: <adoni> #two was on the yahwah's FAR RIGHT as well.

distinction: the Yahweh said to 'my lord <'adown> #one':

 'T_H_E Lord <'Adonay>  AT  T_H_Y  RIGHT hand.'  

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Yahweh did not say, '... at MY right hand,' as in the previous case -- Psalms 110:1. so, obviously he was referring to a third party.

• moreover,  his name, <Y@hovah> had been mentioned 3 times in the first 4 verses alone:  
  • 1     The LORD <Y@hovah> said <n@'um> unto my Lord <'adown>,
  • 2     The LORD <Y@hovah> shall send;
  • 4     The LORD <Y@hovah> hath sworn;
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please also note that 'my lord <'adown> #one', had  been asked to, ' SIT <yashab> thou at my right hand <yamiyn>, U_N_T_I_L I make thine enemies thy footstool.'  

meaning: he was not supposed to participate in this or any other  battle at all. this same scene was also replicated in the book of revelation 1:13-16, where one like unto the 'son of man,' did not use his sword. but the 'rider on the white horse' did. 

     <'Adonay> #two-- Psalms 110:5,6

that said, only the other, warring <adonay> #two Psalms 110:5,6 and yahweh were going to battle against their enemies.

• <Y@hovah> was clearly referring to a third person <'Adonay> #two-- Psalms 110:5,6,  who was also present then;

• and not to himself because he-- yahweh was sitting on the LEFT of my lord <'adown> #one'. 

• the third person <'Adonay> #two was not only referred to in the third person;

• but also he was depicted and alluded to as the warring <'Adonay> #two and 'the rider on the white horse,' revelation 19:11-16 & isaiah 42:8-15, etc.

• a most fitting description of hzt. ali [pbuh] in the islamic context and dispensation. 

Isaiah 28:2 (KJVSL) Behold, the Lord <'Adonay> hath a mighty <chazaq> and strong one <'ammiyts>, as a tempest of hail  and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth  with the hand <yad>.

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their sitting arrangement

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an interesting christian commentary.

          'the treasury of david,'  

Ps 110:5
EXPOSITION.

Ver. 5. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in 
the day of his wrath. Now that he has come into the field of action, 
the infinite Jehovah comes with him as the strength of his right hand. 
Eternal power attends the coming of the Lord, and earthly power 
dies before it as though smitten through with a sword. ... Concerning the 
last days, we read of the Faithful and True, who shall ride upon a 
white horse, and in righteousness judge and make war: "Out of his 
mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: 
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the 
winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

[emphasis added, navali]

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although, i disagree with most of the above interpretation, only that portion thereof had been retained, which, seems to concur with god's overall divine plan.  see below & the rider on the white horse.

QUESTION

     T_H_E LORD ADONI #two -- Psalms 110:5,6

•    who was T_H_E _LORD -- ADONI #two?

•    and whose 'adoni' was he? 

•    was he the yahwah's 'adoni'? 

•    yahwah spoke directly to 'my adoni'

•    and only referred to T_H_E _ LORD -- ADONI in the 3rd person.

•    THEREFORE, WAS HE also the 'ADONI'  -- i.e., THE WARRING LORD & HELPER OF 'my adoni #one,' the seeker and receiver of his help?   

•    if the yahwah, the god could raise an imam -- priest for himself; 

•   then why couldn't he also raise an adoni for himself?

prophesy, 'if ye are gods,' challenges yahweh

 Isaiah 41:23-24 Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together. Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work is of nought; an abomination is he that chooseth you.

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replied jesus

Mark 13:32 (KJV) But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

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          'albert barne's notes on the new testament,'  

Mark 13:32 Verse 32. Neither the Son. This text has always presented serious difficulties. It has been asked, If Jesus had a Divine nature, how could he say he knew not the day and hour of a future event? In reply, it has been said that the passage was wanting, according to Ambrose, in some Greek manuscripts. But it is now found in all, and there can be little doubt that the passage is genuine. Others have said that the verb rendered "knoweth," means sometimes to make known, or to reveal; and that the passage means, "That day and hour none makes known, neither the angels, nor the Son, but the Father." It is true, the word has sometimes that meaning, as in 1Co 2:2; but then it is natural to ask where has the Father made it known? In what place did he reveal it? After all, the passage has no more difficulty than that in Lu 2:52, where it is said that Jesus increased in wisdom and stature. He had a human nature. He grew as a man in knowledge. As a man, his knowledge must be finite, for the faculties of the human soul are not infinite. As a man, he often spoke, reasoned, inquired, felt, feared, read, learned, ate, drank, and walked. Why are not all these, which imply that he was a man--that, as a man, he was not infinite --why are not these as difficult as the want of knowledge respecting the particular time of a future event; especially when that time must be made known by God, and when he chose that the man, Christ Jesus, should grow and think, and speak as a man?

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the holy qur'an confirms the same -- but in different words!

so according to the scriptures only, jesus was neither 'that' priest--imam nor 'that' anointed-messiah-christ' who, knew what was in god's heart, MIND and/or soul. 

however, the holy qur'an also declares:

 36:12 YASEEN:   And all things have WE VESTED IN THE IMAM MANIFEST -- IMAMIM MUBIIN -- wakulla shay-in ahsaynahu fee imamin mubeenin.

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Psalms 110:4 (KJV) The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest--IMAM for ever A_F_T_E_R the order of Melchizedek.

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see how the lord--yahweh, the god had attached the holy and divine imamate -- priesthood and christhood -- pure -- purifier -- [muttah-hiriin] - unto himself -- in exactly the same context and connotation, as revealed in the holy qur'an -- HQ: 17:70,71; 33:33,34; 9:103-105,108.

hence, how will you recognize god in the hereafter, if you fail to recognize THE IMAM OF THE TIME IN THIS--FII HAAZIHII??

   17:71. (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his  right hand, these shall read their book; and   they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly. 17:72. And whoever is blind in this -- FII HAAZIHII, he shall (also) be blind in the hereafter; and more erring from the way. Shakir's Quran Translation

          17. 71:  C2266. 1 have discussed the various meanings of Imam in ii. 124, n. 124. What is the meaning here? The Commentators are divided. Some understand the meaning to be that each People or Group will appear with its Leader, who will bear witness to its virtues or sins: Cf. xvi. 84. Another view is that the Imam is their revelation, their Book. A third is that the Imam is the record of deeds spoken of in the next clause. I prefer the first.  Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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jesus acknowledged his 'god' in the divine realm.

he invoked 'MY GOD--ELI x 4' - in one single verse:

       Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD - ELI ^[1], and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD - ELI^[2], and the name of the city of MY GOD - ELI^[3], which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD - ELI^[4]: 

and I will write upon him MY N_E_W  NAME.

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please read this very carefully.  not only did jesus have a GOD but also he will return with a new name.'   meaning  that jesus will NOT RETURN with his old name! and to expect him to return as 'jesus'  will be a futile expectation altogether.

and I will write upon him MY  N_E_W  NAME.

did christians and judeo-christians FAIL to understand jesus' simple straightforward teachings?

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distinction: the Yahweh said TO 'my lord <'adown> #one':

Yahweh did not say, '... at MY right hand,' as in the previous case -- Psalms 110:1. so, obviously he was referring to a third party.

• 1     The LORD <Y@hovah> said <n@'um> unto my Lord <'adown>,

• 2     The LORD <Y@hovah> shall send;

• 4     The LORD <Y@hovah> hath sworn;

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please also note that 'my lord <'adown> #one', had  been asked to, ' SIT <yashab> thou at my right hand <yamiyn>, U_N_T_I_L I make thine enemies thy footstool.'  

meaning: he was not supposed to participate in this or any other  battle at all. this same scene was also replicated in the book of revelation 1:13-16, where one like the 'son of man,' did not use his sword. but the 'rider on the white horse' did. 

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     <'Adonay> #two-- Psalms 110:5,6

that said, only the other, warring <adonay> #two Psalms 110:5,6 and yahweh were going to battle against their enemies.

• <Y@hovah> was clearly referring to a third person <'Adonay> #two-- Psalms 110:5,6,  who was also present then;

• and not to himself because he-- yahweh was sitting on the LEFT of my lord <'adown> #one'. 

• the third person <'Adonay> #two was not only referred to in the third person;

• but also he was depicted and alluded to as the warring <'Adonay> #two and 'the rider on the white horse,' revelation 19:11-16 & isaiah 42:8-15, etc.

• a most fitting description of hzt. ali [pbuh] in the islamic context and dispensation. 

Isaiah 28:2 (KJVSL) Behold, the Lord <'Adonay> hath a mighty <chazaq> and strong one <'ammiyts>, as a tempest of hail  and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth  with the hand <yad>.

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their sitting arrangement

Psalms 110:1 yahwah

Psalms 110:1 -- adoni #one -- M_Y Lord -- the seeker of HELP sitting in the middle ‘Said unto M_Y Lord <'adown>, S_I_T <yashab> thou at M_Y right hand’

Psalms 110:5 adone #two -- T_H_E  LORD -- THE GIVER OF HELP    already seated 1.   ‘T_H_E  LORD <'Adonay> at T_H_Y right hand’ --  2.  he was also on the far right of yahwah

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Adoni #one

was addressed directly by Jehovah. 

Psalm 110

¹ A Psalm of David.

Jehovah saith unto my Lord <'adown>, Sit thou at M_Y RIGHT HAND, U_N_T_I_L I make thine enemies thy footstool.
² Jehovah will send forth the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
³ Thy people offer themselves willingly In the day of thy power, in holy array: Out of the womb of the morning Thou hast the dew of thy youth.
⁴ Jehovah hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.

    Adoni #two  

who was already SEATED ON THE RIGHT of the adoni #one, was only referred to in the 3rd person by jehovah himself.

Psalm 110

¹ A Psalm of David.

⁵       T_h_e Lord <'Adonay> AT  T_H_Y HAND Will strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
⁶   He will judge among the nations, He will fill the places with dead bodies; He will strike through the head in many countries.
⁷  He will drink of the brook in the way: Therefore will he lift up the head.

WISDOM Exodus 28:3 (KJV) And thou shalt speak unto all [that are] wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit <ruwach> of wisdom <chokmah>,, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's -[imam] - office. Proverbs 9:10 (ASV) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Proverbs 3:13 (KJV) Happy [is] the man [that] findeth wisdom <chokmah>, and the man [that] getteth understanding.  15 She [is] more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. Proverbs 3:16 Length of days [is] in her right hand; [and] in her left hand riches and honour. : 17 Her ways [are] ways of pleasantness, and all her paths [are] peace. 18 She [is] a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy [is every one] that retaineth her. 19 The LORD by wisdom <chokmah> hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.  Isaiah 11:2 (KJV) And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

JESUS Luke 11:49 (ASV) Therefore also said the wisdom <sophia> of God <theos>, I will send unto them prophets and apostles; and [some] of them they shall kill and persecute; Matthew 11:19 (KJV) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. Ephesians 1:17 (KJV) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:  1 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

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Proverbs
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⁵ [22-31] Wisdom is of divine origin. It is here represented as a being which existed before all things (Prov 8:22-26) and concurred with God when he planned and executed the creation of the universe, adorned it with beauty and variety, and established its wonderful order (Prov 8:27-30). Here that plurality of divine Persons is foreshadowed which was afterward to be fully revealed when Wisdom in the Person of Jesus Christ became incarnate.

⁶ Poured forth: the exact meaning of the Hebrew is uncertain; the expression must imply the equivalent of "born." The Hebrews liken the movement of air and of spirit to that of liquids.

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please read the above with some intelligence. WISDOM TOOK PRECEDENCE OVER EVERYTHING INCLUDING JESUS. WISDOM--SHE was also the PRIMAL EMANATION from the lord god. in other words, "BEGOTTEN."  

therefore, if the above scripture is true than jesus could not have been the son of god. jesus' claims and teachings at best are, only a copy of WISDOM--SOPHIA'S. and if he is the 'son of wisdom,' as claimed by jesus himself Luke 11:19,49, ],  then he could only be one of the prophets and 'grandsons of god.' 

• 'WISDOM--HIKMAH' --[HQ:] IS THE ONLY TRUE GLORY OF GOD. 

• AND ONLY 'WISDOM--HIKMAH' --[HQ:] IS THE TRUE GLORY OF GOD.

2:151. Even as We have sent unto you a messenger from among you, 
    A.    who reciteth unto you Our revelations 
    B.    and PURIFIES you
    C.    and teacheth you the Scripture 
    D.    and WISDOM-HIKMATA
    E.    and teacheth you that which ye knew not

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HOWEVER, CHRISTIANS HAVE YET TO PROVE SOMETHING ORIGINAL IN HIS--JESUS' CASE!

Jehovah, A fountain of living waters  -- [plural]

Jeremiah 2:13 (YLT) For two evils hath My people done, Me they have forsaken, a fountain of living waters, To hew out for themselves wells--broken wells, That contain not the waters.     Jeremiah 17:13 (YLT) The hope of Israel [is] Jehovah, All forsaking Thee are ashamed, And `My apostates' in the earth are written, For they have forsaken Jehovah, A fountain of living waters. Genesis 2:9 (YLT) and Jehovah God causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.     Proverbs 3:16 Length of days [is] in her [WISDOM]  right hand; [and] in her left hand riches and honour. : 17 Her ways [are] ways of pleasantness, and all her paths [are] peace. 18 She [is] a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her:

JESUS -- LIVING WATER -- [singular] John 4:10 (ASV) Jesus answered and said unto unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou that living water? 14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up unto eternal life. John 4:24 (KJV) God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. John 4:25 (YLT) The woman saith to him, `I have known that Messiah doth come, who is called Christ, when that one may come, he will tell us all things;' THIS LIVING WATER [limited in every sense of the word], WAS THE CHRIST, A TEACHER OR A PROPHET ONLY. HE IMPARTED THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE.

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why were isaiah & jesus ANOINTED?

jesus was a teacher and expected as such:

John 4:24 (KJV) God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].

[interpolation]

Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me  to preach good tidings unto the meek;  he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,  to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;  To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God;  to comfort all that mourn;

Luke 4:17 (KJV) And there was delivered unto him [jesus] the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22 And all bare him witness,

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please note that both messengers were anointed and sent for a specific mission. neither claimed any kind of divinity, implied or otherwise.

frankly, does it really matter, whether jesus was made a little lower than the angels or the gods <'elohiym> themselves? either way, he could not be a 'full fledged deity' or even be compared to one, as a result. see psalms 89:6-9 just cited above.

 

Psalms 8:4 (KJVSL) What is man <'enowsh>, that thou art mindful <zakar> of him? and the son <ben> of man <'adam>, that thou visitest <paqad> him? 5 For thou hast made him a little <m@`at> L_O_W_E_R <chacer> than the angels <'elohiym><gods, navali>, and hast crowned <`atar> him with glory <kabowd> and honour <hadar>.

Hebrews 2:7 (KJVSL) Thou madest <elattoo> him <autos> a little <brachus> <tis> L_O_W_E_R <elattoo> than <para> the angels <aggelos>;  You crowned him with glory and honor. {TR adds "and set him over the works of your hands"}

Galatians 4:14 (KJV) Galatians 4:14 (WEB) That which was a temptation to you in my flesh, you didn't despise nor reject; but you received me as an angel <aggelos> of God <theos>, [even] as <hos> Christ <Christos> Jesus <Iesous>.    

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the last two expressions "angel of God" and "Christ Jesus Himself"  further prove that Jesus is an angel or is simply called an angel. remember, he was created L_O_W_E_R <elattoo> than <para> the angels <aggelos> or the gods -- and as such, to say otherwise, is to betray the teachings of the bible per se.

the holy or not so holy servant

his _?_ servant jesus Acts 3:13 (DBY) The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus, whom *ye* delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when *he* had judged that he should be let go. Acts 3:26 (DBY) To you first God, having raised up his servant, has sent him, blessing you in turning each one [of you] from your wickedness.

thy holy servant jesus Acts 4:27 (DBY) For in truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hadst anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with [the] nations, and peoples of Israel, have been gathered together in this city Acts 4:30 (DBY) in that thou stretchest out thy hand to heal, and that signs and wonders take place through the name of thy holy servant Jesus.

    absence of the trinity

          "For Christ's sake," Tom Harpur, p. 103

This is confirmed in 'Peake's Commentary on the Bible' published since 1919, which is universally acclaimed and considered to be the standard reference for students of the Bible. It says:

"This mission is described in the language of the church and most commentators doubt that the Trinitarian formula was original at this point in Mt.'s Gospel, since the NT elsewhere does not know of such a formula and describes baptism as being performed in the name of the Lord Jesus (e.g. Ac. 2:38, 8:16, etc.)."

For example, these Christian scholars observed that after Jesus allegedly issued this command and then was taken up into heaven, the apostles displayed a complete lack of knowledge of this command.

"And Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;...'"
Acts 2:38.

These Christian scholars observed that it is extremely unlikely that if Jesus had indeed specifically commanded his apostles to "baptize in the name of the father and the son and the holy Ghost" that the apostles would later disobey his direct command and baptize only in the name of Jesus Christ, alone.

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this then, brings us to:

GOD IS NOT A LIAR -- THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE! 

he himself says that he is not a liar. he is not a MAN. AND HE IS NOT THE SON OF MAN. christians may say all they want to justify their beliefs even at the expense of BELYING GOD!

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: 

Samuel I 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel WILL NOT LIE nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

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and so says the holy qur'an:

      112: 1. Say: He is Allah, the One! 112: 2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all! 112: 3. He begetteth not nor was begotten. 112: 4. And there is none comparable unto Him. 

112. 3: C6299. This is to negative the Christian idea of the godhead, "the Father", "the only- begotten Son" etc. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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CHRISTIANITY & SATANISM

 

 

depart from me, you doers of wickedness

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you doers of wickedness.'  24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

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         MT 7:23 23. I never knew you. "I never knew you" must be accepted in its deeper signification of "recognizing the disciples." Augustine says that for Christ to say, "I never knew you," is only another way of saying, "You never knew me." Depart, . . . ye that work iniquity. In spite of all their professions they had been evil doers. Their religion expended itself in professions and prayers. Hence, in "that day" they are commanded to depart. What it is to so depart we may learn from Matt. 25:41. It is evident from this passage that many are self-deceived. 

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2 Thessalonians 2:9 (KJV) [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Romans 8:19for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of  God;

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Job 1:6 (ASV) Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them. 7 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered Jehovah, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Galatians 3:26 for ye are all sons of God through the faith in Christ Jesus,

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Romans 8:14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of  God, these are the sons of God; Matthew 16:16 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

SATAN  

COMES WITH THE PACKAGE DEAL

 

Hebrews 4:14 (KJV) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

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REMEMBER THAT IF YOU ATTRIBUTE SONSHIP TO GOD THEN BE PREPARED TO FOLLOW SATAN ONLY, BECAUSE HE COMES WITH THE 'SONS OF GOD,' JESUS INCLUDED.

Lucifer <--> morning star  <----> Satan <--> JESUS

 

Revelation: 2:28
And I [jesus] will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto 
you these things in the churches. I am the 
root and the offspring of David, and the 
bright and morning star.

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         Isa 24:21

21. host of . . . high ones - the heavenly host, that is, either the 
visible host of heaven (the present economy of nature, affected by 
the sun, moon, and stars, the objects of idolatry, being abolished, 
Isa 65:17; 60:19, simultaneously with the corrupt polity of men); or 
rather, "the invisible rulers of the darkness of this world," as the 
antithesis to "kings of the earth" shows.

 

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this is a very interesting passage! it says much more than what is apparent. it is one passage which had been deliberately  MISINTERPRETED by most of all christian scholars alike, because it could bring down the very foundation of christianity.

is lucifer still in the heavens, enjoying all the heavenly things and pleasures  after he was humiliated, disgraced and thrown out  from there?  

on the contrary,  lucifer is here as 'the prince of this world' and jesus is there as 'the host of the heavens.'

Numbers 23:19 (KJV) God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

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Psalms 89:6-9 For who in the heaven <shachaq> can be compared <`arak> unto the LORD <Y@hovah>? 

who among the sons <ben> of the mighty/god <'el> can be likened <damah> unto the LORD <Y@hovah>?

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Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

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    this is the same jesus who was also FORSAKEN BEFORE

matthew 27:46 but about the ninth hour jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?  John 14:30 (KJV) Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. Mark 14:62 (KJV) And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. Psalms 146:3 (KJV) Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help. {help: or, salvation} Acts 5:31 (KJV) Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

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JESUS HAD BEEN TO HELL BEFORE

Acts 2:31 (KJV) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Ac 2:31; 1Co 15:55; Re 20:13

or in general "the unseen world." It is in this sense that the creeds say of our Lord, "He went down into hell," meaning the state of the dead in general, without any restriction of happiness or misery. Elsewhere in the New Testament Hades is used of a place of torment,

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in any case, the old testament offers the following distinction and ADDITIONAL INFORMATION between the 2-two versions just cited. hence, there should be no ambiguity or apprehension about it.

please take your time to read them and then draw your own conclusion. follow only what your heart says and not what those with vested interests and who also have knowingly distorted the 'word of god,' in pursuit of their own faith and propaganda thereof.

analysis based on random selection only.

 

'Jehovah will punish T_H_E  HOST of the high ones on high,'  [singular & particular]

OR 

'T_H_E  HOST of the heavens in the heavens'  -- [singular & particular]

A_L_L   THE HOST [plural]

T_H_E     HOST   [singular & particular]

2 Kings 21:3 (KJVSL) For he built up <banah> again <shuwb> the high places <bamah> which Hezekiah <Chizqiyah> his father <'ab> had destroyed <'abad>; and he reared up <quwm> altars <mizbeach> for Baal <Ba`al>, and made <`asah> a grove <'asherah>, as did <`asah> Ahab <'Ach'ab> king <melek> of Israel <Yisra'el>;  a.    and worshipped <shachah>   ALL   the host <tsaba'> of heaven <shamayim>, and served <`abad> them. 2 Kings 21:5 (DBY) And he built altars to ALL the host of heaven in both courts of the house of Jehovah. 2Ki 21:4 And he built altars in the house of  Jehovah, of which Jehovah had said, In  Jerusalem will I put my name. 5 And he built <banah> altars <mizbeach>  for  ALL  the host <tsaba'> of heaven <shamayim> in the two <sh@nayim> courts <chatser> of the house <bayith> of the LORD <Y@hovah>. 2 Kings 21:6 (DBY) And he caused his son to pass through the fire, and used magic and divination, and appointed necromancers and soothsayers: he wrought evil beyond measure in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke him to anger. Colossians 2:10 (DBY) and ye are complete in him, who is the head of all principality and authority, === Hebrews 9:24 (DBY) For the Christ is not entered into holy places made with hand, figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us: Ephesians 4:10 (KJV) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) {fill: or, fulfil}

Isaiah 24:21 (KJVSL) And it shall come to pass in that day <yowm>, [that]  the LORD <Y@hovah> shall punish <paqad> a.  T_H_E  HOST <tsaba'> of the high ones <marowm> on high <marowm>,  b.   and the kings <melek> of the earth <'adamah> upon the earth <'adamah>.  Isaiah 24:21 (ASV) And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will punish T_H_E  HOST of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together <'acaph>, [as] prisoners <'acciyr> are gathered <'acephah> in the pit <bowr>, and shall be shut up <cagar> in the prison <macger>, and after many <rob> days <yowm> shall they be visited <paqad>.  23 Then the moon <l@banah> shall be confounded <chapher>, and the sun <chammah> ashamed <buwsh>, when the LORD <Y@hovah> of hosts <tsaba'> shall reign <malak> in mount <har> Zion <Tsiyown>, and in Jerusalem <Y@ruwshalaim>, and before his ancients <zaqen> gloriously <kabowd>.  Hebrews 7:26 (DBY) For such a high priest [jesus] became us, holy, harmless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and become higher than the heavens: Heb 7:26 And made higher than the heavens. Exalted above the visible heavens; that is, at the right hand of God. Cmt. on Eph 1:21, Cmt. on Php 2:9. We needed a high priest who is thus exalted, that he may manage our cause before the throne of God.

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how high is 'T_H_E  HOST of the high ones on high' -- that is, 'the HOST of the heavens in the heavens'? [singular & particular].

it hoped that the scripture distinction between the 2 texts under review is now much more clearer, as is my interpretation thereof.

 

  1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.  

 

1Co 8:4  and that there is none other God but one.

1Co 8:5
For though there be that are called 
gods, whether in heaven or in earth, 
(as there be gods many, and lords 
many,)

1Co 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the 
Father, of whom are all things

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despite the above monotheistic teachings, christianity has been adulterated further. details to follow later. but for now, the following will suffice for sure.

 

  says larry mitchell  -- [Friends of Israel]God's standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses.

1 .Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (such as Buddha, A_l_l_a_h, Lucifer, Krishna or other pagan deities). God condemns all those who try to come "another way". John 3:36

2.Thou shalt not bow down to any graven images. (including c_r_u_c_i_f_i_x_e_s, images of Mary, or Buddha). God condemns all idolaters. Revelation 21:8

3.    My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus is the Son of God, and He died for our sins.

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despite show of such false piety and enthusiasm, friends of israel, the other judeo -christians and christians alike have FORRSAKEN OR VIOLATED the very core of these godly commandments, for some  man-made traditions against which, jesus had warned the israelites of his day.

Roots of Our Faith

The cross as a means of execution was used only a couple of centuries before Yeshua, yet there are prophecies in the Tanach from much earlier which give deep insight about what was to occur on that "t_r_e_e."

(Unless stated otherwise, all scripture verses are from the New King James Version.)       

 

[see also Israel My Glory Magazine

under, (1)  confirmation of jesus' messiahship,' pp15-17 --  & (2) 'coming again' by herb hirt, january/february 2002 -- pp. 18-20]

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hence, it matters not whether one upholds the judeo-christian cross, the christian crucifix and/or the tau cross per se. all of that is simply academic, as far as christianity is concerned.

  
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, OR ANY LIKENESS OF any thing that is in heaven above, OR THAT IS IN THE EARTH BENEATH, or that is in the water under the earth:

Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah, THAT IS MY NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to GRAVEN IMAGES. Isaiah 42:10 Sing unto JEHOVAH a new song,

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

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if you can unravel the following biblical mystery then you will be able to also unravel one of the greatest biblical mysteries which follows it. good luck.

let's review the following biblical facts in order to see which of the two scriptures named herein is more credible and reliable.

        says larry mitchell, foi],  My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus is the Son of God, and He died for our sins. 

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is that so? the truth of the matter is, you have DISTORTED both the bible and the holy qur'an in order to denigrate the latter. details and proof given below. but for now please answer the following, if you will.

where's Rachel's sepulchre?

irrefutable bible errors & your multiple choice:

Footnotes

⁵ Bethlehem: the gloss comes from a later tradition that identified the site with Bethlehem, also called Ephrath or Ephratha (Joshua 15:59; Ruth 4:11; Micah 5:1). But Rachel's grave was actually near Ramah (Jer 31:15), a few miles north of Jerusalem, in the territory of Benjamin (1 Sam 10:2).

Genesis 35:19  ⁵ Thus Rachel died; and she was buried on the road to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).

         Samuel I 10:2 When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, 

        Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not . 

Footnotes

¹ [2-14] The names of Esau's wives and of their fathers given here differ considerably from their names cited from other old sources in Genesis 26:34 and Genesis 28:9. Zibeon the Hivite: in Genesis 36:20 he is called a "Horite"; see note on Genesis 34:2.

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at the end of the day, both the children of israel and the christians have to wonder where the above grave site is, just like the christians have to also wonder how and where was jesus christ crucified, if at all?

 

CHOICE # 1 -- Rachel's grave Genesis 35:19 (KJV) And Rachel died, and was BURIED IN THE WAY TO EPHRATH, which [is] Bethlehem. 20 And Jacob set a pillar upon HER GRAVE: that [is] the pillar of Rachel's grave unto this day.  672. 'Ephraath Search for H672 in KJVSL trpa 'Ephraath ef-rawth' Ephrath, another name for Bethlehem; once (Psa.132:6) perhaps for Ephraim; also of an Israelitish woman:--Ephrath, Ephratah. See Hebrew 6509

CHOICE # 2 -- RACHEL'S SEPULCHRE 1 Samuel 10:2 (KJV) When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by RACHEL'S SEPULCHRE IN THE BORDER OF BENJAMIN AT ZELZAH; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son? {care: Heb. business} 6766. Tseltsach Search for H6766 in KJVSL xulu Tseltsach tsel-tsakh' from 6738 and 6703; clear shade; Tseltsach, a place in Palestine:--Zelzah. See Hebrew 6738 See Hebrew 6703

CHOICE # 3- RAMAH, LAMENTATION Jeremiah 31:15 (WEB) Thus says Yahweh: A voice is heard in RAMAH, LAMENTATION, AND BITTER WEEPING, RACHEL WEEPING FOR HER CHILDREN; she refuses to be comforted for her children, because they are no more. the same as 7413; Ramah, the name of four places in Palestine: -Ramah. ==

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as just mentioned, if you can unravel this UNFATHOMABLE mystery then you will be able to unravel the greatest biblical mystery OF ALL TIMES, that follows.

 

 WHERE WAS

 JESUS CRUCIFIED 

IF AT ALL?

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DIGRESSION  -  WHERE WAS JESUS CRUCIFIED?
your multiple choice answer

          Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is SPIRITUALLY  called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was _c_r_u_c_i_f_i_e_d._

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'the great city'  -- what did this enigmatic phrase mean and who/what did it represent in the new testament?   

for all intents and purposes, this was another form of derision only. it was used for 'the great city of babylon'  aka 'that woman' both of which were held in sheer contempt for the most part. see Revelation  16:19; 17:18; 18:10; 18:21.  

however, was jesus ever crucified in the great city of babylon, sodom or egypt? and yet, we have a scriptural text which actually states that. but then, this is not a typical example by any means . in fact, there are a few more contradictions in the new testament in this particular regard. 

on the other hand, in spite of its untold atrocities, jesus never referred to jerusalem, as either 'the great city, that woman, sodom or egypt,' etc. 

we must also note that all 4 gospels have asserted plainly that jesus was cruci_fied in calvary or golgotha, i.e., a place of skull.

 WHERE WAS THAT PLACE OF SKULL?  was it the one indicated at:

      rev 11:8 [EGYPT OR SODOM]
 or heb 13:12,13 [QUMRAN-DEAD SEA]
 or deut 23:10-12? [QUMRAN DEAD SEA]

 was it within jerusalem?
 or just outside the city limits? 

 WAS HE CRUCI_FIED
  OR HANGED ON THE TREE??
[  Galatians 3:3,15] -- 

[   SEE BELOW --- Not fully understanding the cross can cause problems for believers -- the christian ministry, friends of israel. ]    

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here's your multiple choice answer.

Qumran

the epistle of hebrews by paul or barnabas

what is more important to note is that the author of hebrews 13:11-13, supposedly barnabas -- tells us that jesus was not crucified at any of the places mentioned in the 4 gospels and most certainly, NOT AT JERUSALEM either. 

rather, he points to a different location altogether. I will let Dr. Barbara Thiering shed some light on this matter:

       vi. a. The gospels say that the place of the crucifixion was known as "the place of a skull". This in itself indicates a graveyard, one of most striking features of the land surrounding the Qumran* buildings [Jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' pp. 151]

The location lay outside the southern entrance gate to the Qumran* complex ..... A new testament verse says that Jesus suffered "outside the gate" and "outside the camp" ...... (pp. 150).

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The above is also verified by another important christian source, like so:

   The site of the crucifixion:  Jesus was crucified "outside the city" (John 19:17,20; Hebrews 13:12). At a place called "the skull" (Matthew 27:33; Mark 15:22; Luke 23:33 John 19:17) -- (Halley's Bible Handbook, under, 'Mark,' pp. 481).

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The place of crucifixion according to the said epistle:

                The bodies of the animals whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest as a sin offering are burned outside the camp. Therefore Jesus _d_i_e_d_ outside the gate, to sanctify the people by his own blood. Let us go to him outside the camp ..... (Hebrews 13:11- 13).

  It was both "outside of the gate" and "outside the camp" phrases used for the place where Jesus was crucified in Heb. 13:12-13. The latter phrase means a latrine in deut 23:12 (Jesus the man, under 'the crucifixion,' Locations, pp. 445/46).

Where is Qumran*?

          ix.     Qumran* -- Home of the Scrolls To get to Qumran, where the dead sea scrolls were discovered, you hire a car in Jerusalem. ..... The road winds along the side of the mount of Olivet, on the east side of Jerusalem, through Bethany, and downwards towards Jericho and the Dead Sea.

Qumran, in the wilderness of Judea, had been the place of exile of the Essenes since at least the second century BC. (ibid. pp. 47).

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UNWILLING SACRIFICE

 My soul is full of grief even unto _d_e_a_t_h_ -- but the flesh is weak -- he prayed more earnestly

     Mark 14:34 And he [jesus] says to them, My soul is full of grief even unto  _d_e_a_t_h_ ; abide here and watch.    Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.    Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me [jesus]: And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

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PRAYER ANSWERED:

HE WAS SAVED

  1.     to_s_a_v_e_  him [jesus] 

2.    from_d_e_a_t_h_ --- 

3.    and was _h_e_a_r_d'_

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Psalms 20:6 (DBY) Now know I that Jehovah saveth his anointed --christ -- messiah ; he answereth him from the heavens of his holiness, with the saving strength of his right hand.

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 Hebrews 5:7 Who [christ vs. 6]; in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him [god] that was able to _s_a_v_e_ him [jesus] from _d_e_a_t_h,_ and was _h_e_a_r_d_
in that he feared; [kjv]

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compare

And he was heard

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Hebrews 5

⁵   So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. ^[1] " ^[2]
6   And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." ^[3]
7   During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
⁸   Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
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on the other hand, HOW and WHY did jesus disobey god, the father? is that the reason why he was forsaken by god in the end, when he needed him most?

 AUTHOR AND DATE OF WRITING

the author of this letter [hebrews], does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. form many years  paul was considered to be the author, but since the reformation it has been widely recognized that paul COULD NOT have been the author. apollos and BARNABAS are those most suggested. the book was written prior to the fall of jerusalem in a.d. 70 -- [the holy bible, new international version, lccc# 73-174297,  'hebrews pp. 1653].

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CRITICAL EVIDENCE -- the new testament authenticates -
the gospel of barnabas & HQ: 4:157,158

'THE LORD SAVETH HIS ANOINTED -- CHRIST-- MESSIAH'  -- PSALMS 20:6

for all intents and purposes, these -- biblical [the old and the new testaments] -- texts clearly show that the Lord God will and did SAVE HIS ANOINTED--CHRIST--MESSIAH. 

and that despite his sufferings [not because of the cruci_FICTion], HE WAS SAVED FROM DEATH, which he feared most. 

the god answered his prayers or so says this christian scripture. and besides, the gospel of barnabas confirms it all.

please compare this SCRIPTURAL text with: 

• Basilides - The Other Bible pp. 627/28 -- , 

• The Nag Hammadi Library in English, The 
  Second Treatise of the Great Seth (VII, 2), pp. 332.

• The Gnostic Gospels, by Elaine Pagels, 
  under, 'The Passion of Christ,' pp. 87;

• THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS

• holy qur'an 4:157,158

[details and additional proof to follow]

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A MASTER PLOT j_u_s_t UNCOVERED

3-three black crosses added to christianity

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navali:    is this the latest innovation and DECEPTION in what is known as the 'judeo-christian cult'? look carefully and you might be able to see 3--three BLACK CROSSES printed just over the word 'confirmation.'  feel free to verify the same.

PROOF

 
 

[my conclusion based upon the above foi article dated january/february 2002, etc., navali]

1.     IN THE NAME OF THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE FATHER,
2.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE SON
3.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE HOLY GHOST

     CONVERTING THE MONOTHEISTIC ISRAELITES TO A 'NON-CHRISTIAN' TRITHEISTIC  CULT.

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[see also Israel My Glory Magazine

under, (1)  confirmation of jesus' messiahship,' pp15-17 --  & (2) 'coming again' by herb hirt, january/february 2002 -- pp. 18-20]

 

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CONTRADICTING THE VERY FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY

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the True Cross

(AND REPRESENTATIONS OF IT AS OBJECTS OF DEVOTION).

(1) Growth Of the Christian Cult; (2) Catholic Doctrine on the Veneration of the Cross; (3) Relics of the True Cross; (4) Principal Feasts of the Cross.

I. GROWTH OF THE CHRISTIAN CULT

The Cross to which Christ had been nailed, and on which He had died, became for Christians, quite naturally and logically, the object of a special respect and w_o_r_s_h_i_p.

It seems clear, therefore, that for St. Paul the Cross of Christ was not only a precious remembrance of Christ's sufferings and death, but also a symbol closely associated with His sacrifice and the mystery of the Passion.

 

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Christian Symbols and icons   The Latin cross was adopted as the official symbol of the Christian religion at the Council of Nicaea, convened by Constantine in 325 AD.  It represents Jesus' sacrifice, but since it does not show His body, it also represents Hisresurrection.

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The Tau cross is in the shape of the Greek letter "T", and represents prophecy, - or the Old Testament. is in the shape of the Greek letter "T", and represents prophecy, - or the Old Testament.

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The Cross (Greek: stauros)

    Did Jesus Die on a Cross?
reprinted from the book, Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses see catalog

The Cross (Greek: stauros) Biblical Overview

Though the Bible does not specifically describe the instrument that Jesus died upon, tradition has it that he was put to death on a
cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam. The Greek stauros is sometimes used to describe a simple stake, and other times a
more complex form such as the cross.

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     the crucified figure IS NOT NAILED TO THE NORMAL christian idea of the cross [the turin shroud], where the upright continues through the crossbeam, BUT TO A  CROSS IN THE FORM OF A JEWISH TAU WHICH IS T-SHAPED.

medieval christian imagery shows A SECOND CROSSBEAM representing
that mockingly proclaimed jesus to be the king of the jews, BUT IT
NEVER SHOWS A TAU CROSS. ['the second messiah - templars, THE
TURIN SHROUD & the great secret of freemansonary, christopher knight
& robert lomas, published 1977, pp. 54,55].'
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          Will the true Scripture Please Stand Up?

According to Muh-ammed, Allah and Jehovah of the Bible are the same God. It is quite easy to show that the sixty six books of the Bible agree with each other in supernatural harmony, even though there were many writers who wrote over a period of about 1500 years. If the Koran of Allah is an extension of the revelation of Jehovah, as the Mullahs claim, then there will be complete support and agreement of the Bible by the Koran.

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THINGS IN GENERAL

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THE 2--TWO--FAVORITE DIVINE SONS
WERE PUNISHED AND FORSAKEN
BY GOD, THE FATHER!!

cain:       genesis 4:13 and cain said to jehovah, my punishment is too great to be borne;   genesis 4:13 and cain said to jehovah, my punishment is too great to be borne;

my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

jesus:       luke 1:47 and my spirit has rejoiced in god my saviour.  matthew 27:46 but about the ninth hour jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me? mark 15:34 and at the ninth hour, jesus cried with a loud voice, [saying], eloi, eloi, [Eli, Eli] lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

 

FORLORN HOPES AND FALSE PROMISES ONLY

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dubious support for a Zionistic plot uncovered 

     'my god is a zionist' --  god had loved the jewish people with an everlasting love. [ref jeremiah 31:3;  jeremiah 31:35-37;] ; larry mitchell, ['birth of pangs-- may 29, 2002 -- foi]  

   As to your second question, about the "Lord OUR God being one Lord", it is a quote from Deuteronomy 6:4, and simply means that the LORD was the God and only God of the nation Israel as opposed to the other nations who did not worship the LORD, because it was only with Israel that the LORD made a covenant. The "our" pertains to Israelites as a nation.

I hope this is helpful.
 

Herb Hirt
Director, Institute of Jewish Studies [see the full text below]

 

Islam is for muslims *al--Haqq — the Truth* 

 

       003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth.
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6

 

salaam: peace
 
 

navali
nusrat_navali.htm ;  shroud_resurrect.htm ;
amdistortions.htm ;  yalimadad.html; YA ALI MADAD ;

shams vellani ;  birthdaygift ; the divine prophecy fulfilled ;
shroud_resurrect5.htm ; section 1 ; section 1a ; section 1b ;
 
 
 
 

 
 

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God is not man .. nor human

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/judith/judith8.htm

new american bible

Judith

13  It is the Lord Almighty for whom you are laying down conditions;

 

14  You cannot plumb the depths of the human heart or grasp the workings of the human mind; how then can you fathom God, who has made all these things, discern his mind, and understand his plan? "No, my brothers, do not anger the Lord our God.

 

16  It is not for you to make the Lord our God give surety for his plans. "God is not manthat he should be moved by threats, nor human, that he may be given an ultimatum.

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