please take notice of allah's stern warning to the holy prophet muhammad [pbuh]. it came only a couple of months or so before he passed away. so, what else could be so important in allah's sight after all? remember, the outcome of his 23 year old mission depended entirely on this one FINAL DECLARATION.

in view of the above, a couple of interesting biblical points have come to mind.

important

1.    according to the torah - pentateuch [supposedly written by moses, who also narrated his own death and the events which followed], towards the end of their respective mission, both moses and aaron had transgressed against god, and as such, NEITHER was allowed to enter the land of canaan. moses too, was reprimanded and sentenced to death.

because ye [moses & aaron] trespassed against me -- 
THEIR DIVINE PUNISHMENT -- 
death sentence imposed on both

Deuteronomy 32:50 and die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: Deuteronomy 32:51 because ye trespassed against me in the midst of the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah of Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

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this was god's solemn word of pain, despair and betrayal. 

simply put, they had failed god big time because, although, he was PRESENT in their midst -- he was not one of them.  meaning: a naturally unclean human being. 

on the contrary, ONLY the lord god was HOLY -- DIVINE in their midst! 

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: 

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in short, he was betrayed even by those to whom he had entrusted his mystery and trust as well, REVEALED himself face to face frequently. they failed HIS HONOR AND SANCTITY due him, a common israelite trait oft-repeated in the bible up to and including jesus' commission.

DIVINE PUNISHMENT -- death sentence:  

•     not only were not these highly favored prophets and messengers of god allowed to enter canaan, the land of promise; 

•     but also both were rebuked by god and made to DIE. 

•     all evidence of their physical existence in the world was thus obliterated completely. 

•     and more importantly, god's promises to their father_S_ were not fulfilled in them, regardless.

frankly, i can't think of a greater tragedy, divine punishment or stigma to their name.

2.   likewise jesus' very brief, disappointing, incomplete and unsuccessful mission speaks for itself. 

•     however, what is mostly overlooked or deliberately ignored in his case is that he was made to suffer;

•     because of his disobedience. 

•     and maybe, that is why he was crucified in an unholy place;

•     as well, FORSAKEN by god, the father. 

let the godly inspired scripture speak for itself again.

    Deuteronomy 23:14 For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee.  

    Hebrews 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;  Hebrews 13:11-12 For the bodies of those beasts whose blood is brought into the holy place by the high priest as an offering for sin, are burned without the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered without the gate. Hebrews 13:13 now, then, may we go forth unto him without the camp, his reproach bearing;

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please pay serious attention to god's own solemn word and not to paul's whimsical interpretation. 

i.     how could jesus sanctify the people with his own blood;
ii.    when he had come into the world in the 'image of SINFUL FLESH' -- [romans 8:3]?
iii.   crucified in an 'unholy place,'  which the lord god had warned against?
iv.   he was made to suffer because of his disobedience?
v.    and finally forsaken by god, the father himself despite his earnest prayer?

however, if by this word -- 'image'   -- it means that he came only in its likeness and was not the real thing then you have spoken well.

• because it also means that he was neither the 'son of god' nor 'god' ;

• he was created in god's likeness, 

• just as were the first 'MAN' & 'ADAM, 

• Luke 3:38 ... of Adam, which was the son of God.

 the long awaited messianic promise was not fulfilled in jesus either.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

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despite god's numerous blessings and curses showered upon the children of israel for thousands of years, one will still not find the 2 simple words namely 'judaism and christianity' - mentioned anywhere in the holy bible, the so-called inspired' word of god.'

contrast 

• in contrast to the above, the holy prophet muhammad [pbuh] had become a ruler of a state during his lifetime.  see The Arab Empire.

• islam, the religion of allah [HQ: 3:19; 5:3];  spread to many other nations and thus, it had become a beacon of light for the others as well. 

• and that the once enslaved pagans of the fertile crescent had also become the masters & rulers of the then known world. 

this alone speaks volumes.

anyhow, in accordance with allah's absolutely unambiguous command he, 'PROCLAIMED HE WHO  -- BALLIGH MAA -- THAT WHICH had been revealed unto' him.

• and the holy and divine institution OF IMAMATE--PRIESTHOOD which was instituted as a result,  IS STILL PRESENT IN THE WORLD TODAY.

• that holy and divine office is presently held by my beloved holy imam, his highness prince aga khan iv [pbuh].  

• [see The Aga Khan: "I am amazed by the ignorance of Islam"]

following which allah revealed:

   HQ: 5:3  This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. 

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this is in sharp contrast to both moses' incomplete and unsuccessful exodus and  jesus christ's practically incomplete and unsuccessful brief mission. the latter actually prayed for 'another paraclete -- comforter -- advocate [john 14:16,17],' to complete his mission after him. 

 that said, what have we just achieved here? 

well, earlier we saw that although john had recognized jesus in his various forms in the book of revelation, he--john had at the same time, FAILED to recognize the RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE. HIS NAME WAS THE WORD OF GOD. that knowledge was then SEALED UP completely, as noted therein.

in other words, he whom john FAILED to recognize earlier -- WAS REVEALED TO THE WORLD later by allah's above command to the holy prophet [pbuh]. the aforesaid lends more credence to the following:

        it is reported by abu ishaq thalabi that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet to give the name of the man who had knowledge of the book and brought the queen of sheba with her throne within the twinkling of an eye.

the holy prophet said: "IT WAS ALI."  

it is stated in minhaj al sadiqin and umdat al bayan -- [SUNNI HADITH] -- that then the holy prophet said to ALI:

"O ALI, thou had been HIDDEN -- [BATIN, navali] -- WITH ALL THE PROPHETS of allah preceding me, AND WITH ME THOU ARE MANIFEST - [ZAHIR, navali] - [M.S. U.B.] [#vr. 40. [1699], s.v. mir ahmed ALI, pp. 1157].

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one may ask at this point, was this the only piece of evidence we have in the book of revelation that either leads or pertains to islam? 

well, see how islam itself responds to such an inquiry, which in turn, is also corroborated by the bible per se, make no mistake about it.

   15:86. Lo! Thy Lord! He is the All-Wise Creator. 15:87. We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated  (verses) and the great Qur'an.  15:94. So proclaim that which thou art commanded, and withdraw from the idolaters. 

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  15. 87:  C2008. The Seven Oft-repeated Verses are usually understood to be the Opening Sura, the Fatiha. They sum up the whole teaching of the Qur-an. What can be a more precious gift to a Muslim than the glorious Our-an or any Sura of it? Worldly wealth, honour, possessions, or anything else, sinks into insignificance in comparison with it. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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    1. Introduction:

The Fatihah or the Opening is known under various other names. It is spoken of as the Seven Oft-repeated Verses in the Quran itself (15:87), because its seven verses are constantly repeated by every Muslim in his prayers. It is spoken of as the Fatihat al-Kitab or the Opening of the Book in a saying of the Holy Prophet, in which it is said that "no prayer is complete without the recitation of Fatihat al-Kitab" (B. 10:95).

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   017.106 And (it is) a Qur'an that We have divided, that thou mayst recite it
unto mankind at intervals,
and We have revealed it by (successive) revelation.

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           Isaiah 28:10 For He says, "Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there.' Isaiah 28:13 So the word of the LORD to them will be, Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there, 
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    Muir, Burton, Rodwel and Fretyag have tried to mislead the Christians by stating that Ibrahim had never gone to Arabia to build the holy Kabah.

These are the names of the sons of Ishmael named in order of their birth; Nebaioth, Ishmael's eldest son, then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam." (Genesis 25: 13)

It is a fact that Kedar has been connected with Arabia in the Old Testament.

"Hard is my lot, exiled in Meshech, dwelling by the tents of Kedar." (PSALMS 120: 5)

Also refer to Isaiah 42: 11 and 60: 7. In Genesis 21: 14 to 21 Hajirah's wandering in the wilderness of Beersheba with her son Ismail, the appearance of the well (Zamzam) and Allah's promise to make of Ismail a great nation have been clearly mentioned.

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prophecies re: ISLAM in the bible

judah-praise - ahmad-praise -- 
SHILOH [MESSIAH--PEACE--ISLAM]

      Genesis 29:35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the LORD: therefore she called his name Judah [praise -ahmad--praise]; and left bearing. Genesis 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise [ahmad--praise]: thee -- genesis 49:9 judah [praise- ahmad -- praise]  is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a LION, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? 

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the lord's advent & kedar [ishmael's son]

 Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: THAT IS MY NAME: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.  isaiah 42:11 let the _d_e_s_e_r_t_ and its cities lift up their voices, the villages that _K_E_D_A_R_ [DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL],  inhabits; let the inhabitants of sela sing for joy, let them shout from the top of the mountains. isaiah 42:12 let them give glory to the lord, and declare his praise in the coastlands. isaiah 42:13 THE LORD SHALL GO FORTH AS A MIGHTY MAN, he shall stir up jealousy LIKE A MAN OF WAR: he shall cry, yea, _R_O_A_R;_ he shall prevail against his enemies.

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 Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. 

   Hosea 11:10 They shall walk after the LORD: 
HE SHALL ROAR LIKE A LION: 
WHEN HE SHALL ROAR, 
then the children shall tremble from the west.

    Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals 

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion [ali] of the tribe of Juda [gen. 49:8-10 -- praise- -ahmad], the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof [HQ: surah al-fatihah]. 

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

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rest assured, this was the most fitting description of Hzt. Imam Ali (as) [The Lion Of Allah] in the bible. 

fulfillment in islam

   [ HQ: surah al-fatihah--opening -- made up of 7 verses]

    Hzt. Ali's [as] [the LION of allah] -- [ahl-al-bait -- house of muhammad--ahmad--praise--judah -- genesis 49:8-10]. Divine Sword was Dhulfikar [Zulfikar]. the WHITE HORSE was called Dhuldul [ c72 - TARIYE TUN TARANHAR]. 

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after all is said and done, what was the bible's greatest mystery of all times about?

well, it was about a NEW SONG -- to be sung later in the land of KEDAR! and more importantly, it was about 'THE RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE & HIS SWORD.'

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven  thunders uttered, and write them not.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

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jesus acknowledged his 'god' in the divine realm.

he invoked 'MY GOD x 4' - in one single verse:

A.       Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD ^[1], and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD^[2], and the name of the city of MY GOD^[3], which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD^[4]: 

and I will write upon him MY NEW NAME.

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please read this very carefully.  not only did jesus have a GOD but also he will return with a new name.'   meaning  that jesus will NOT RETURN with his old name! and to expect him to return as 'jesus'  will be a futile expectation altogether.

B.     and I will write upon him MY NEW NAME.

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did christians and judeo-christians FAIL to understand jesus' simple straightforward teachings?

remember what allah had revealed with respect to 7-SEVEN? he said, '15:87. We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated  (verses) and the great Qur'an.'

the lord's advent & kedar [ishmael's son]

Isaiah 42:10 Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, 
isaiah 42:11 let the _d_e_s_e_r_t_ and its cities 
lift up their voices, the villages 
that _K_E_D_A_R_ [DESCENDANTS OF ISHMAEL], inhabits;

Psalms 96:1 O sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG: 
sing unto the LORD, 
ALL THE EARTH. 
Psalms 40:3 And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, 
even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, 
and shall trust in the LORD. 

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, 
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in the light of the above, we may conclude that it was ALI & HIS SWORD ZULFIKAR and the HOLY QUR'AN [ the open book and the new song], that had been witnessed by john @ revelations 19:11--16. 

so there we have all the biblical proof  we need to make my case!

the qur'anic distinction

the Messiah son of Mary versus
the light of Allah 
and the Religion of Truth

             9:31. They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to  worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him.  Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!  9:32. Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light,  however much the disbelievers are averse. 9:33. He it is Who  hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, however much the idolaters may be averse.

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please note that elsewhere the holy qur'an had maintained a very clear distinction between 'the spirit from him--jesus' & 'ali--the light of allah OR THE LIGHT MANIFEST--NOORUM MUBIINA.'  see also 4:171,172 & 4:175,176.

 

THE UNITY OF GOD & RELIGIOUS PLURALISM 

 

THE 3 DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS -- ALL OF THEM WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ISHMAEL

THE GOD'S DIVINE PLAN & PRIORITIZATION
HAGAR & ISHMAEL
CAME BEFORE MOSES and
ALL the israelite prophets after him

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. Galatians 4:24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.

Galatians 4:25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia

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Deuteronomy 33:2 and he saith: --
`Jehovah from Sinai hath come, 
[Hagar IS MOUNT SINAI in Arabia
-- Ishmael's mother -- galatians 4:22-25
& moses] 
And hath risen from Seir [esau married a 
daughter of ISHMAEL--Genesis 28:9] for them; 
HE HATH SHONE FROM MOUNT PARAN 
[ISHMAEL --  Genesis 21:20,21], 
Habakkuk 3:3 God from Teman doth come, 
THE HOLY ONE FROM MOUNT PARAN [ISHMAEL]. 
Pause! Covered the heavens hath His majesty, 
And His praise hath filled the earth.

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so now we know why the LORD GOD OF THE HEBREWS [namely, abraham, ISHMAEL, isaac and jacob ONLY], manifested IN THE LAND OF KEDAR, ARABIA!

Genesis 16:7 And the Angel of Jehovah found her [HAGAR] by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur.  Genesis 16:8 And he said, Hagar,  Genesis 16:10 And the Angel of Jehovah said to her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. Genesis 16:11 And the Angel of Jehovah said to her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael, because Jehovah hath hearkened to thy affliction.  Genesis 16:13 And she called the name of Jehovah who spoke to her, Thou art the God who reveals himself, for she said, Also here have I seen after he has revealed himself. Genesis 16:14 Therefore the well was named Beer-lahai-roi: behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered. Genesis 16:15 And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. Genesis 16:16 And Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.

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YHWH, the angel of YHWH, hagar, the well, ISHMAEL & PARAN

     

Genesis 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad. And the Angel of God called to Hagar from the heavens, and said to her, What [aileth] thee, Hagar? Fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad there,  where he is. Genesis 21:18 Arise, take the lad, and hold him in thy hand; for I will make of him a great nation. Genesis 21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the flask with water, and gave the lad drink. Genesis 21:20 And God was with the lad, and he grew; and he dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. Genesis 21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. And his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

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        2:158. Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the SACRED SYMBOLS OF ALLAH -- SHA-AA - IRILLAH. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House or visiteth it, to go around them. And he who doeth good of his own accord, lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware. 

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        2.158:  C160. The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are the two little hills of Safa and Marwa now absorbed in the city of Mecca, and close to the well of Zam-zam. Here, according to tradition, the lady Hajar, mother of the infant Ismail, prayed for water in the parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found her prayer answered and saw the Zam-zam spring. 
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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what do the above scriptures mean in their totality? please stop, think and reflect. 

however, one of the first things that the holy qur'an had declared was that:  

1: 1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 

       029.046 And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.

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the same is confirmed in the biblical scriptures like so:

The LORD <Y@hovah> is good <towb> to all

Psalms 145:8-9 The LORD <Y@hovah> is gracious <channuwn>, and full of compassion <rachuwm>; slow <'arek> to anger <'aph>, and of great <gadowl> mercy <checed>. The LORD <Y@hovah> is good <towb> to all: and his tender mercies <racham> are over all his works <ma`aseh>.

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        Numbers 27:15-16 And Moses <Mosheh> spake <dabar> unto the LORD <Y@hovah>, saying <'amar>, Let the LORD <Y@hovah>, the God <'elohiym> of the spirits <ruwach> of all flesh <basar>, set <paqad> a man <'iysh> over the congregation <`edah>, --  Numbers 27:16 Let Jehovah, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the assembly, 

  Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh: 

Acts 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, [that] I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh;

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and that's not all! 

    the Lord <kurios>

interesting excerpts from a recent email i received:

        Dear Ali

So in the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT around 250 BC, the Greek word for "Lord" kyrios, was used to translate YHWH since the Hebrew word "adoni" "Lord" was already being used. So over 6000 times the Greek word Kyrios occurs in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT) in place of YHWH.

So in the NT, the word Kyrios is used to mean "Lord" and would cover the meaning of both YHWH and adoni. We know this because when Jesus quotes Psalm 110:1 "the LORD (YHWH) said to my Lord (adoni)" the Greek has Kyrios both times (Mk. 12:36).

So in the NT, the Greek word Kyrios will stand for YHWH some of the time, but is not translated that way, but as "Lord". i.e. the Lord (Kyrios) Jesus Christ.

As to your second question, about the "Lord our God being one Lord", it is a quote from Deuteronomy 6:4, and simply means that the LORD was the God and only God of the nation Israel as opposed to the other nations who did not worship the LORD, because it was only with Israel that the LORD made a covenant. The "our" pertains to Israelites as a nation.

I hope this is helpful.


Herb Hirt

 Director, Institute of Jewish Studies 

[see the full text given below. emphasis added, navali]

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although i have already responded to the above i have not heard again from either herb hirt or any other foi member.

regardless, the following biblical text is an eye opener in more ways than one because if  jesus christ, the [Lord <kurios>]  was the one meant therein then he had just proved that he personally -- was beyond BIGOTRY and racial discrimination. he did not and, on the day of reckoning, will not make any distinction between the children of bondage [ishmael] and the children of promise or freedom [isaac].

however, if the verse referred only to the lord god, then it shows that all are equal in his eyes and that the doer of good will be rewarded according to his WORKS, regardless. it is not a question of faith or belief in jesus' blood for your atonement.  there's simply NO PROVISION for such a notion therein.

  Ephesians 6:8 Knowing <eido> that <hoti> whatsoever <hos> <ean> <tis> good thing <agathos> any man <hekastos> doeth <poieo>, the same <touto> shall he receive <komizo> of <para> the Lord <kurios>,  whether <eite> he be bond <doulos>  [ishmaelites, navali] or <eite> free <eleutheros> [israelites, navali].

1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. 

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

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despite these irrefutable biblical scriptures, most jews and christians alike, do not believe their own bible let alone the holy qur'an, which is far beyond their comprehension. 

even others like the FOI [friends of israel] and steve van nattan, etc, have literally scoffed at the very idea of  the said 'unity of god' and 'religious pluralism.'  

and in the process, not only have they POLITICIZED and TARGETED ISLAM  generally and particularly since september 11, but also they have bent backwards to disprove it and have thereby, misled many an unsuspecting, uninformed and/or misinformed believer.

at the same time, it must be noted that although, the above named and other judeo-christian organizations [Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition; The 700 Club; Garner Ted Armstrong, Church of God, International; Jerry Falwell, Liberty University, etc.], with vested interests, would like us to believe that the nation of israel was the ONE AND ONLY divinely  favored nation and that its god was a 'zionist' ['my god is a zionist' --  larry mitchell, 'birth of pangs-- may 29, 2002 -- foi], or a racist or racial god --  then let it be known also that no other people had been more disobedient, punished, forsaken and/or CURSED BY GOD than the children of israel  either.

as a matter of fact, not only had it betrayed and forsaken the lord god of hebrew for a molten calf during THE EARLY STAGES of its exodus from egypt but also it had more PROPHETIC blood on its hands than any other divinely favored nation on the face of the earth.  it had killed or persecuted most of its prophets and messengers, lamented jeremiah and jesus, respectively. 

frankly, one would be hard pressed to say whether it was a more divinely blessed or cursed nation in the world because its own SCRIPTURE TESTIFIES AGAINST IT.

on the other hand, those with vested interests like the above named and other christian or judeo-christian organizations have bent backwards to show that 'their god and our god' -- are two different and separate gods. 

and one of the main reasons cited for such a ridiculous notion is that 'islam' rejects the very fundamental principles of christianity namely, the so-called trinity, jesus' divine sonship and his 'cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection,' etc.

         says larry mitchell  -- [Friends of Israel]   God's standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses.

1.      Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (such as Buddha, A_l_l_a_h, Lucifer, Krishna or other pagan deities). God condemns all those who try to come "another way". John 3:36

2.          Thou shalt not bow down to any graven images. (including c_r_u_c_i_f_i_x_e_s, images of Mary, or Buddha). God condemns all idolaters. Revelation 21:8  

3.    My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus is the Son of God, and He die d for our sins.     

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despite  a show of such false piety and enthusiasm, friends of israel, the other judeo-christians and christians alike have FORSAKEN OR VIOLATED the very core of these godly commandments, for some  man-made traditions against which, jesus warned the israelites of his day.

 

Roots of Our Faith

The cross as a means of execution was used only a couple of centuries before Yeshua, yet there are prophecies in the Tanach from much earlier which give deep insight about what was to occur on that "t_r_e_e."

[see also  Israel My Glory Magazine

 under, (1)  confirmation of jesus' messiahship,' pp15-17 --  & (2) 'coming again' by herb hirt, january/february 2002 -- pp. 18-20]

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hence, it matters not whether one upholds the judeo-christian cross, the christian crucifix and/or the tau cross per se. all of that is simply academic.

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, OR ANY LIKENESS OF any thing that is in heaven above, OR THAT IS IN THE EARTH BENEATH, or that is in the water under the earth:

Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah, THAT IS MY NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to GRAVEN IMAGES. Isaiah 42:10 Sing unto JEHOVAH a new song, 

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

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here's all the proof you need to verify and judge the matter yourself.

          latest innovation & DECEPTION.

A MASTER PLOT j_u_s_t UNCOVERED -- innovation of the  3 black crosses

navali:    is this the latest innovation and DECEPTION in what is known as the 'judeo-christian cult'? look carefully and you might be able to see 3--three BLACK CROSSES printed just over the word 'confirmation.  feel free to verify the same. 

 

[my conclusion based upon the above foi article dated january/february 2002, etc., navali]  

1.     IN THE NAME OF THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE FATHER, 
2.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE SON 
3.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE HOLY GHOST  

           CONVERTING THE MONOTHEISTIC ISRAELITES TO A 'NON-CHRISTIAN' TRITHEISTIC  CULT.   

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[see also  Israel My Glory Magazine

 under, (1)  confirmation of jesus' messiahship,' pp15-17 --  & (2) 'coming again' by herb hirt, january/february 2002 -- pp. 18-20]

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CONTRADICTING THE VERY FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY.

    Home > Catholic Encyclopedia > C > The True Cross

the True Cross

(AND REPRESENTATIONS OF IT AS OBJECTS OF DEVOTION).

(1) Growth Of the Christian Cult; (2) Catholic Doctrine on the Veneration of the Cross; (3) Relics of the True Cross; (4) Principal Feasts of the Cross.

I. GROWTH OF THE CHRISTIAN CULT

The Cross to which Christ had been nailed, and on which He had died, became for Christians, quite naturally and logically, the object of a special respect and w_o_r_s_h_i_p.

It seems clear, therefore, that for St. Paul the Cross of Christ was not only a precious remembrance of Christ's sufferings and death, but also a symbol closely associated with His sacrifice and the mystery of the Passion.

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Christian Symbols and icons

 

The Latin cross was adopted as the official symbol of the Christian religion at the Council of Nicaea, convened by Constantine in 325 AD.  It represents Jesus' sacrifice, but since it does not show His body, it also represents His resurrection. 

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 The Tau cross is in the shape of the Greek letter "T", and represents prophecy, - or the Old Testament. 

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The Cross (Greek: stauros)

         Did Jesus Die on a Cross?
reprinted from the book, Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses see catalog 

The Cross (Greek: stauros) Biblical Overview

Though the Bible does not specifically describe the instrument that Jesus died upon, tradition has it that he was put to death on a
cross; consisting of a stake and a crossbeam. The Greek stauros is sometimes used to describe a simple stake, and other times a
more complex form such as the cross.

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         the crucified figure IS NOT NAILED TO THE NORMAL christian idea of the cross [the turin shroud], where the upright continues through the crossbeam, BUT TO A  CROSS IN THE FORM OF A JEWISH TAU WHICH IS T-SHAPED. 

medieval christian imagery shows A SECOND CROSSBEAM representing
that mockingly proclaimed jesus to be the king of the jews, BUT IT
NEVER SHOWS A TAU CROSS. ['the second messiah - templars, THE
TURIN SHROUD & the great secret of freemansonary, christopher knight
& robert lomas, published 1977, pp. 54,55].'
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Steve Van Nattan

although this very frightful and foul-mouthed individual claims that he had removed all the 'hate-crime' material from his so-called website. rest assured, that is not the absolute truth.  for all intents and purposes, he is still marketing the same on cd-rom  as well, posted it elsewhere on the internet. details given below.

so much for being honest!  or is he afraid of the wrong he had committed KNOWINGLY against allah, his holy prophet [pbuh], his scripture, his religion and his peoples.

 

balaam's ass speaks journal

   

A KJV ONLY
SITE

              DOCTRINAL STATEMENT:

THE VAN NATTAN FAMILY

II Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If there are areas of disagreement, show me where I am wrong USING ONLY THE KING JAMES BIBLE,

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         here's the proof thereof

We also offer a CD on Islam- Allah, Divine or Demonic for $13.50. This CD includes Steve's book complete.  New articles have been added on Islam in modern times and Middle Eastern issues.

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         http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/yitha.htm

          http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/tiffany/1154/allah/page3.htm#Page%203

 While many religions rise and fall over the ages, the ones that stay with us are the ones which have a well developed scripture as their foundation. This is true of the Hindus with their Bagivad Gita and the Mormons with their twenty odd feet of written revelation, but it is of the highest consideration in the comparison of the Bible of Christianity with the Koran of Islam. These two faiths rise or fall on the authority of their scriptures, so we start here by comparing Islam and biblical Christianity. There is a mass of sub-Christian rubbish and novel babblings being spread around by people calling themselves Christians. I stand without apology with those who have chosen the "narrow way" which Jesus told us we must follow if we would please God. (FOOTNOTE 1:  Matthew 7:14 Please note that we start over in footnote numbering as we begin each new book part.)

The only text we will be using is the King James Bible. In Biblical Christianity we have an absolute faith in the literal use of the Bible for all matters of faith, social exchange, politics, and hope of the future. We assume the Muslim reader would claim the same for his Koran and the Hadith of Muhammed. So, this is our starting point-- one Bible and one Koran.

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  CHAPTER THREE:

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                 Will the true Scripture Please Stand Up?

According to Muh-ammed, Allah and Jehovah of the Bible are the same God. It is quite easy to show that the sixty six books of the Bible agree with each other in supernatural harmony, even though there were many writers who wrote over a period of about 1500 years. If the Koran of Allah is an extension of the revelation of Jehovah, as the Mullahs claim, then there will be complete support and agreement of the Bible by the Koran.

So, we completely reject the notion that some of the Mullahs use, that the Bible was corrupted and had to be corrected by the Koran. We have our doubts about Allah, but the God of the Bible promised us that He would preserve His Word just as accurately as He gave it "in the original manuscripts" and in our hands at this moment. (FOOTNOTE 3:  Psalm 138:2 shows that the Bible is as secure as the very Name of God.) So, we take the Bible as the truth, and we examine the Koran by the earlier record, the Bible.

We do not agree with the Mullahs, that God is only able to give His revelation in perfection only in Arabic. We have no fear of losing the true meaning of the Koran because we use an English translation. We believe that God can deliver the truth of the King James Bible in English

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           Editor and Jack Ass in General:    

Steve Van Nattan  [http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/believe.htm]
THINGS IN GENERAL

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in one of his [larry mitchell] , more recent pamphlets this individual also wrote and i quote:

  

        presently the majority of these dear souls are lost.  ISLAM CANNOT NOT SAVE! IT IS A FALSE RELIGION which DENIES that jesus is the son of god and that he died on the cross for our sins ....  ['ishmael god understands your affliction']

[emphasis added, navali -- obtained this pamphlet from him may 18, 2002]

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rest assured, this is one of the most incredible and absurd STATEMENTS  i have seen thus far -- that is, 'IT IS A FALSE RELIGION which DENIES that jesus is the son of god and that he died on the cross for our sins.'

would he, foi and other christian and judeo-christian organizations which entertain similar notions declare that their whole bible and religions stemmed from it ARE ALSO 'FALSE'   if it is proved only from their 'holy bible' that jesus was not the son of god and that the so-called 'cruci_FICTion, death and resurrection,' of the christ jesus, son of mary [pbuth] -- HAD NEVER taken place, save conjectures thereof?

 insha'allaah, if allah will, i will endeavor to show just that here below.

in any case, more often than not, such PERSONAL opinions, intolerance and religious bigotry, half backed truths and/or misconstrued interpretations have superceded the bible and its teachings.

        moreover, Friends of Israel's vehement dislike of and prejudice against  islam and its followers is no secret. it is well  documented in its bi-monthly magazine namely, 'israel my glory.'  

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in addition to what we have seen thus far, i will try to show at the same time that the holy qur'an was absolutely right about the 'unity of god' and 'religious pluralism.' 

           King James Sacred Name Version 
"Whosoever shall call on the name of YHWH shall be delivered"  Joel 2:32 Acts 2:21 "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH"  Psalms 118:26 Mark 11:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YHWH,  to serve him with one consent.  Zephaniah 3:9. 

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religious pluralism in the bible

 

JEHOVAH-[YHWH] - IN THE LAND OF KEDAR -- [ABRAHAM'S GRANDSON THROUGH ISHMAEL]

THE LORD GOD OF ISHMAEL AND ISAAC

  

     the first commandment,  'Jehovah O_U_R God is O_N_E Jehovah'

 

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important  M_O_S_A_I_C  text and its construction

• Deuteronomy 6:4    Jehovah O_U_R God -- the first person plural -- 

[STOP and reflect:  this word, 'jehovah O_U_R god.' -- was god's solemn word & commandment to & through moses and later, jesus -- and not just a plain statement of faith or fanaticism.]

allow me to demonstrate the difference.

 

THE 2--TWO--FAVORITE DIVINE SONS 
WERE PUNISHED AND FORSAKEN
BY GOD, THE FATHER!!

• cain:       genesis 4:13 and cain said to jehovah, my punishment is too great to be borne; 

my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me? 

• jesus:       luke 1:47 and my spirit has rejoiced in god my saviour.  matthew 27:46 but about the ninth hour jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me? mark 15:34 and at the ninth hour, jesus cried with a loud voice, [saying], eloi, eloi, [Eli, Eli] lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, my god, my god, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

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interesting christian commentaries

Crucifixion
a common mode of punishment among heathen nations in early times. It is not certain whether it was known among the ancient Jews; probably it was not. The modes of capital punishment according to the Mosaic law were, by the sword (Exodus 21), strangling, fire (Leviticus 20), and stoning (Deuteronomy 21).

Eli
ascent, the high priest [IMAM] when the ark was at Shiloh [PEACE--ISLAM] (1 Samuel 1:3,9). He -- [eli] -- was the first of the line of Ithamar, Aaron's fourth son (1 Chronicles 24:3; Compare 2 Samuel 8:17), who held that office-- [imamate in islam].

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Eli

easton's bible dictionary ---  Eli ascent, the high priest [IMAM] when the ark was at Shiloh [PEACE--ISLAM] (1Sa 1:3,9). He was the first of the line of Ithamar, AARON'S fourth son (1Ch 24:3; comp. 2Sa 8:17), who held that office.   american tract society dictionary ELIA HIGH PRIEST [IMAM] of the Jews, the first in the line of Ithamar, 1Sa 2:27. He was also a judge of Israel forty years, and was eminent for piety and usefulness,	international bible standard encyclopedia ---  ELI --  e'-li (`eli):  A DESCENDANT of Ithamar, the fourth son of AARON, who exercised the office of HIGH PRIEST IN SHILOH [IMAM-PEACE -ISLAM] at the time of the birth of Samuel. For the first time in Israel, Eli combined in his own person the functions of HIGH PRIEST [IMAM] AND JUDGE, judging Israel for 40 years (Job 40:11). A. C. Grant	ELI -- High priest [IMAM] 1Sa 1:25; 2:11; 1Ki 2:27 -- navel's topical bible ----   2241. Eli Search for G2241 in KJVSL  hli eli ay-lee' -- of Hebrew origin (410 with pronominal suffix); my God:-- Eli. See Hebrew 410
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?	saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?	saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?

 

DID JESUS INVOKE Eli -- IMAM ALI  -- [arabic] as 'MY GOD'?? the above christian commentaries seem to point in that direction for sure.

regardless, what hope or promise is either the judeo-christian cult and/or christianity  going to offer after its own founder was forsaken by god and that the kingdom of god will be taken away from the ISRAELITES? even the son of man says,  'and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.'

hence, jesus' blood sacrifice will avail thee not.

 

THE SYNAGOGUES OF SATAN, SAYS THE SON OF MAN

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

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the blood of jesus will avail them not

• could this be a reference & condemnation of paul's foreign churches?

• or even that of the early church per se?? 

• why did jesus condemn it/them so strongly?

• if it had not been a part of the early church per se?

• after his worldly mission? 

• where did these SATANIC CULTS CROP UP? 

• how did SATANISM infiltrate the early church and also find it way into the book of revelation?
  

 EARLY CHRISTIANITY & SATANISM 

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:14-15 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 3:14-16 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

both god and jesus had foreseen what would happen to the christian church after him. it seems as though  satanism had become and integral part of the early church itself. frankly, what had changed since?

regardless, whatever god bestowed on the children of israel -- jesus simply snatched it away from them -- and gave it to a more worthy nation [ishmaelites].  see below. let the bible speak for itself.

the lord god will fight them himself.

 

 

La fata illa Ali -- There is no hero except Ali,
la saif illa Zulfikar - there is no sword except his sword Zulfikar

58:21. Allah hath decreed: Lo! I verily shall conquer, I and My messengers. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty. 

 

behold, i myself am going to bring a sword on you 

the kingdom of god shall be taken from you

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 the holy qur'an

8:17. Ye slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. 

9:30. And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, 
and the Christians say:  The Messiah is the son of Allah. 
That is their saying with their mouths. 
They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. 
ALLAH (HIMSELF) FIGHTETH AGAINST THEM. 
How perverse are they! 

9:31. They have taken as lords beside Allah 
their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, 
when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. 
There is no Allah save Him.  Be He Glorified from all that 
they ascribe as partner (unto Him)! 

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Ezekiel

                Ezekiel 6:1 AND the word of the LORD came to me saying, Ezekiel 6:2 Son of man, set your face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them Ezekiel 6:3 and say, "Mountains of Israel, listen to the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD to the mountains, the hills, the ravines and the valleys: Behold, I Myself am going to bring a sword on you, and I will destroy your high places. Ezekiel 6:4 So your altars will become desolate and your incense altars will be smashed; and I will make your slain fall in front of your idols. Ezekiel 6:5 I will also lay the dead bodies of the sons of Israel in front of their idols; and I will scatter your bones around your altars. Ezekiel 6:6 In all your dwellings, cities will become waste and the high places will be desolate, that your altars may become waste and desolate, your idols may be broken and brought to an end, your incense altars may be cut down, and your works may be blotted out. Ezekiel 6:7 The slain will fall among you, and you will know that I am the LORD

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Jesus

               Matthew 21:42 Jesus says to them,  Have ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which they that builded rejected, this has become the corner-stone: this is of [the] Lord, and it is wonderful in our eyes? 
Matthew 21:43 Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and shall be given to a nation producing the fruits of it. 

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how could any organization or an individual  ignore the above and still offer the following -- unless of course, it/he had a private agenda of its/his own?

 

FORLORN HOPES AND FALSE PROMISES ONLY

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dubious support for a Zionistic plot uncovered

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          'my god is a zionist' --  god had loved the jewish people with an everlasting love. [ref jeremiah 31:3;  jeremiah 31:35-37;] ; larry mitchell, ['birth of pangs-- may 29, 2002 -- foi]

           As to your second question, about the "Lord OUR God being one Lord", it is a quote from Deuteronomy 6:4, and simply means that the LORD was the God and only God of the nation Israel as opposed to the other nations who did not worship the LORD, because it was only with Israel that the LORD made a covenant. The "our" pertains to Israelites as a nation.

I hope this is helpful.


Herb Hirt
Director, Institute of Jewish Studies 

[see the full text below]

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additional  irrefutable proof given below.

but for now, the above sounds more like a racial god to me. in other words, he was the lord god of israel ONLY, regardless. 

however, that is not the right interpretation at all.  an intelligent study of the bible will show that the same lord god of israel -- is also the LIVING GOD OF ALL MANKIND.

 

compare

•      Deuteronomy 6:5    Jehovah t_h_y  God - the second person singular pronoun 

•     JEHOVAH, GOD OF T_H_Y FATHER_S_  

•     Is he the God of the Jews only? 

•     THE 3 DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS -- ALL OF THEM WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ISHMAEL. 

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STOP AND REFLECT

        Deuteronomy 6:1 NOW this is the commandment, the statutes and the judgments which the LORD your God, has commanded me to teach you, that you might do them in the land where you are going over to possess it, Deuteronomy 6:2 so that you and your son and your grandson might fear the LORD your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged.

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please note the above very carefully because this was the COMMANDMENT of the lord god which moses was COMMANDED to teach the children of israel. and that they and their future generations in turn, were commanded to keep all his statues and his commandments. this was a PERMANENT and irrevocable DIVINE ORDER. 

now what did the said divine order pertain to? well, it said in part:

• Deuteronomy 6:3 And thou shalt hear, Israel, and take heed to do [them]; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase greatly, as Jehovah the God of thy father_s_ hath said unto thee, in a land flowing with milk and honey.

         Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, Israel: Jehovah O_U_R God is one Jehovah;     

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[    IMPORTANT: this word was god's solemn word & commandment through moses and later, jesus -- and not just a PLAIN statement of faith and fanaticism.]

to which he added:

Deuteronomy 6:5 You shall love the LORD YOUR God with ALL YOUR heart and with ALL YOUR soul and with ALL YOUR might.  Deuteronomy 6:6 These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart.

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IMPORTANT:  what was perhaps, the deeper, wider, greater, PREDESTINED and the overall implication of the verses just cited? did the lord god of israel and moses think only of the children of israel during his prophetic mission?  

let the bible speak for itself, as usual:

 

O seed of Abraham ---  He has remembered His covenant forever

 

He, Jehovah, is O_U_R God

 

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [ABRAHAM] -- and thy seed after thee in t_h_e_i_r generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee [ABRAHAM], and to thy seed after thee, and I will be  t_h_e_i_r   God. Genesis 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in t_h_e_i_r   generations.

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Psalms 105:6 Ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye sons of Jacob, his chosen ones. Psalms 105:7 He, Jehovah, is O_U_R God; his judgments are in all the earth. [darby]  ---   Psalms 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Psalms 105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; [kjv]

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question

how could a RACIAL GOD JUDGE other people on the earth? frankly he couldn't and should not. period!

on the other hand, the lord god could do it, ONLY IF he was the lord god of ALL MANKIND! and/or the god of all those who are on the earth.

Numbers 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

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please note that the above scriptures asserted then that god's covenant was EVERLASTING and that it also applied to abraham's seed and THEIR GENERATIONS. in other words, there was a full and complete provision for ISHMAEL, who was abraham's ONLY  seed for 14 long years before the birth of the promised son viz, isaac. 

 

Genesis 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman [hagar] will I make a nation, because he [ishmael] is thy [abraham] seed.

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in addition, we have one of the most overlooked, ignored, highly  misrepresented and/or most misinterpreted biblical texts of all times, which lends more credence to this assertion and interpretation thereof.

          Deuteronomy 18:17-19 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar> unto me, They have well <yatab> spoken that which they have spoken <dabar>. Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them    up a Prophet from among t_h_e_i_r brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

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this 'prophet like unto moses' --  seemed to be a 'UNIVERSAL PROPHET' -- whereas jesus was not. he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of israel -- referred to @ Matthew 10:5,6; Matthew 15:24. 

on the other hand, who were 'their brethren'? that is, if the children of israel were one nation then which was the other, comprised of ONLY 'their brethren'  -- biblically speaking? 

take for example, although esau/seir/edom [jordan] and moses/israelites were historically separated from each other by several centuries, they were not only declared and treated as 'brethren'  in the pentateuch [written by moses], but also  the former were an important part of god's divine plan during the mosaic period itself. see the 3 DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS -- ALL OF THEM WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ISHMAEL.  

and now this:

Deuteronomy 2:1 THEN we turned and set out for the wilderness by the way to the Red Sea, as the LORD spoke to me [moses], and circled Mount Seir for many days. Deuteronomy 2:4 and command the people, saying, You [moses/israelites] will pass through the territory of your brothers the sons of Esau who live in Seir; and they will be afraid of you. So be very careful;  Deuteronomy 2:5 do not provoke them, for I will not give you [moses] any of their land, even as little as a footstep because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. Deuteronomy 2:9 Then the LORD said to me, "Do not harass Moab, nor provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the sons of Lot as a possession.
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the unity of god and mankind in the bible

        Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Numbers 16:22 And they fell on their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh!

Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living soul of all flesh that is upon the earth. Genesis 9:17 And God said to Noah, This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

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read and review the above with some intelligence, if you will. look for the deeper meaning contained in these passages. these verses clearly show god's concern for ishmael, his descendants and other arab nations both in general and in particular as well.

and that being the case, which other nation besides the children of israel was moses thinking about when he declared, 'Jehovah O_U_R God is O_N_E Jehovah.' 

compare

        Jehovah t_h_y God-  - the second person singular  pronoun

jehovah, god of t_h_y father_S_

   Deuteronomy 6:2 so that thou dost fear Jehovah t_h_y God, Deuteronomy 6:3 `And thou hast heard, O Israel, and observed to do, that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest multiply exceedingly, as JEHOVAH, GOD OF T_H_Y FATHER_S_, hath spoken to thee, Deuteronomy 27:9 And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the LORD t_h_y God.    Deuteronomy 33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD,

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rest assured, this phrase, 'JEHOVAH, GOD OF T_H_Y   FATHER_S_' -- had changed the complete overall dimension, context, connotation and focus of the commandments. allow me to explain.

who were thy father_S_?? 

 

RELIGIOUS PLURALISM IN THE BIBLE

the God of _T_H_E_I_R_ _F_A_T_H_E_R,
&
the F_E_A_R of his father Isaac 
 & 
GOD'S COMMANDMENT RE: 'A SYRIAN ..... MY  _F_A_T_H_E_R'

 

Genesis 31:51 And Laban said to Jacob,  Genesis 31:53 The God of Abraham, 
and the God of N_a_h_o_r, 
the God of   _T_H_E_I_R_  _F_A_T_H_E_R   , 
judge betwixt us. 
And Jacob sware
       by the   F_E_A_R of his father Isaac.

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who was the god of jacob? was he the same god of abraham and isaac too? if so, why did he swear instead by the fear of his father isaac? at least, he knew who his god and the god of his fathers was.

but on the other hand, i see nothing wrong with it either. this is an explicit example of religious pluralism. both parties [LABAN the syrian and jacob] accepted and respected the other's culture and tradition.  

this was the first sign or proof of religious pluralism in practice. prior to that we were told @ genesis 4:26, 'and to seth, to him also was born a son; and he called his name enosh. then people began to call on the name of jehovah.'

however, the biblical editors, researchers and scholars alike, have failed miserably to recognize that religious pluralism in the bible per se. on the contrary, they have rushed to PREMATURE judgment and condemned others of practicing idolatry or paganism, without giving much thought to what was said therein.  

see how personal opinions, intolerance and religious bigotry had become an integral part of the bible, an 'inspired word of god'! 

please note that in spite of the obvious variations in the context below --  there was no distinction made in its overall connotation. in other words, the 'essence' was the same. this was the FIRST SIGN or unity of god and religious pluralism in the bible.

1.    The God of Abraham, 
2.    and the God of N_a_h_o_r, 
3.        the God of   _T_H_E_I_R_ _F_A_T_H_E_R  [kjv]

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for all intents and purposes, the book of genesis recognized the divinity of the other 2 gods besides the god of abraham at this point, regardless. therefore, it was assumed that both the revealer and author of the above WERE referring to ONLY ONE GOD.  

but all that changed in the other edition and translation of the bible.

 

    contrast or contradiction -- GUIDING THE BIBLE

          Genesis 31:53 :: Amplified Bible (AMP)

Genesis 31
⁵³The God of Abraham and the God of Nahor, and the god [the object of worship] of their father [Terah, an idolator], judge between us. But Jacob swore [only] by [the one true God] the Dread and Fear of his father Isaac.⁽¹⁾

Joshua 24
²Joshua said to all the people, Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt in olden times beyond the Euphrates River, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, and they served other gods.

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how do we explain the fact that seth and his people had called on the 'name of jehovah' centuries before he  had revealed himself or his name to moses? then, what about the man-child eve had GOTTEN FROM jehovah [genesis 4:1 - kjv]? 

was not mary's incredible situation @ luke 1:35 comparable to hers? if not then why is the christian world still divided over these mind-boggling issues? both of these 'unpleasant' issues have stemmed from the same 'inspired word of god.' what about cain's and abel's offerings to jehovah himself [genesis 4:3,4]? 

note also: 

• Genesis 4:13 And Cain said to Jehovah, My punishment is too great to be borne; 

• Genesis 8:20 And Noah built an altar to Jehovah; 

• Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be Jehovah, the God of Shem; 

• Genesis 12:8 And he removed thence towards the mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, [having] Bethel toward the west, and Ai toward the east; and there he built an altar to Jehovah, and called on the name of Jehovah.

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i.     now was not this the same jehovah, the god who had spoken to their fathers and also made several divine promises to them before?
ii.     if so, the same jehovah, the god also reiterated those old promises when he revealed himself and his name to moses. 
iii.     as a result, the children of abraham, ISHMAEL and isaac were the beneficiaries of those promises, as related in the bible at various places.

on the other hand, how was any of the above different [Genesis 31:53 - laban's declaration], from what jacob was purported to have said earlier @ genesis 31:42? see below. 

in that case, was he--isaac a pagan and an idolater too? did the religion of seth, noah, shem, abraham, isaac and jacob stem from that form of paganism as well? was their jehovah, the god also one of the pagan deities of the pre-abrahamaic era?

        42:11. The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He hath made for you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby He multiplieth you. Naught is as His likeness; and He is the Hearer, the Seer. 42:13.  He hath ordained for you that religion which He commended unto Noah, and that which We inspire in thee (Muhammad), and that which We commended unto Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and be not divided therein. Dreadful for the idolaters is that unto which thou callest them. Allah chooseth for Himself whom He will, and guideth unto Himself him who turneth (toward Him). 

          42. 13: C4541. Allah's Religion is the same in essence, whether given, for example, to Noah, Abraham, Moses, or Jesus, or to our holy Prophet. The source of unity is the revelation from Allah. In Islam it is "established" as an institution, and does not remain merely a vague suggestion. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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allow me now to prove the above from the bible.

 

  Islam is for muslims *al--Haqq — the Truth* 

 

 

             003.095 Say: Allah speaketh truth. 
So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6

 

salaam: peace

navali
nusrat_navali.htm ;  shroud_resurrect.htm ;
amdistortions.htm ;  yalimadad.html; YA ALI MADAD ;

  shams vellani ;  birthdaygift ; the divine prophecy fulfilled ;
  shroud_resurrect5.htm ; section 1 ; section 1a ; section 1b ;

 

 

 

     THE AGA  KHAN IV  

 

 

 

CLEARING CERTAIN BIBLICAL MISCONCEPTIONS

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God is not man .. nor human

 

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Judith

13  It is the Lord Almighty for whom you are laying down conditions;

 

14  You cannot plumb the depths of the human heart or grasp the workings of the human mind; how then can you fathom God, who has made all these things, discern his mind, and understand his plan? "No, my brothers, do not anger the Lord our God.

 

16  It is not for you to make the Lord our God give surety for his plans. "God is not man that he should be moved by threats, nor human, that he may be given an ultimatum.

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