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you saw it here first!

[takes one to know one -- is this proof of acknowledgment?]

 

   latest innovation, ADDITION & DECEPTION.

A MASTER PLOT j_u_s_t UNCOVERED

3-three black crosses added to christianity

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navali:    is this the latest innovation and DECEPTION in what is known as the 'judeo-christian cult'? look carefully and you might be able to see 3--three BLACK CROSSES printed just over the word 'confirmation.'  feel free to verify the same.

PROOF

 
 

[my conclusion based upon the above foi article dated january/february 2002, etc., navali]

1.     IN THE NAME OF THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE  FATHER,
2.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE SON
3.     AND THE CRUCIFIED GOD, THE HOLY GHOST

     CONVERTING THE MONOTHEISTIC ISRAELITES TO A 'NON-CHRISTIAN' TRITHEISTIC  CULT.

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[see also Israel My Glory Magazine

under, (1)  confirmation of jesus' messiahship,' pp15-17 --  & (2) 'coming again' by herb hirt, january/february 2002 -- pp. 18-20]

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     14:22. And Satan saith, when the matter hath been   decided: Lo! Allah promised you a promise of truth; and I promised you, then failed you. And I had no power over you save that I called unto you and ye obeyed me. So blame not me, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can ye help me, Lo! I disbelieved in that which ye before ascribed to me. Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom. 
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IMPORTANT

A  S_A_T_A_N_I_C  CULT -- PLOT  UNCOVERED

 

believe me, by allah's infinite grace and mercy, i had UNCOVERED  A  HUGE  SATANIC  PLOT OR  DECEPTION MONTHS BEFORE this write-up. i just needed some more evidence before exposing it.  

i guess, larry mitchell suspected it among other things. he knew i had discovered something great. he told some of his followers that, 'ali is very knowledgeable and intelligent. he knows something he was not suppose to know.'   you were right my friend. 

believe me, i knew that all along! however, i was only collecting additional evidence and also waiting for the right opportunity to knock. you guys [foi] had already gone too far in pursuit of your ulterior motives and private 'satanic' agenda. 

YOU HAD UNDULY TARGETED AND DEMONIZED ISLAM.

despite the above, islam was not your real target. rather, both judaism and christianity were. 

ISLAM IS TOO POWERFUL FOR YOUR 'SATANIC' INTRIGUES. 

the latter  was only a scapegoat as is also evident from the events leading up to and  following the 911 tragedy in the usa.  like the vatican and some western governments, your hidden religio-political agenda was much larger than you'd care to admit.

You are a victim of your own scheming. satan was merely using and taking advantage of the friends of israel [israel, usa, canada and uk] among other christian & judeo-christian organizations namely, pat robertson and the christian coalition; the 700 club; garner ted armstrong, church of god, international; jerry falwell, liberty university, etc., with vested interests, to deceive the israeli, the usa & the uk governments & their naive and unsuspecting nationals.

in any case, the truth was FINALLY out and acknowledged as follows, even if, not in so many words.

The Satanic Trinity

As if one evil being weren’t enough, the Bible teaches that in the last days, there will be three—a pseudotrinity — that will take over the world. [july/august 2002]

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The Satanic Trinity

ORIGINAL DISCOVERY  [JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2002]

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rest assured, larry mitchell was very uncomfortable when asked, why would or should such a powerful judeo-christian organization allow publication of the above article with depiction of a SATANIC SYMBOL therein -- [UNLESS it, too subscribed to the same TRADITION]? not only was he being evasive as usual but also he could not or would not answer my simple bible based questions, which made some of his followers or church members uneasy.

that said, i  can see now why one chris, his ardent and very troubled but above all, misinformed  follower tried to physically assault me twice in as many weeks and also FALSELY accused me of trying to confuse the new or uninformed members  of the congregation. 

anyhow, little did i know then as to what i had just stumbled upon. and as such, i believe that publication of the following foi article   among others cited below, within months after the original discovery, was not an act of  voluntary admission on foi's part. i suspect my own article had something to do with it, regardless.

NOTE: 

The Satanic Trinity' :  the Bible teaches that in the last days, there will be 'three—a pseudotrinity' — that will take over the world.' [july/august 2002]

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as mentioned above, the following foi articles and some of the changes carried out by steve van nattan, noted below, must have taken place -- as a result of my july 3, 2002 article. 

on the other hand, was it an acknowledgment of the truth at the same time? whatever the case may be, there are far too many coincidences dictated therein to EXCLUDE that possibility AFTER all is said and done.

        The Origin and Fall of Satan

Lucifer, "the anointed cherub that covereth," became the evil "god of this age"—the enemy of Jehovah. Learn what happened and why?

        The Satanic Trinity

As if one evil being weren’t enough, the Bible   teaches that in the last days, there will be three—a pseudotrinity—that will take over the world.

The Many Masks of Satan

If you think Satan appears like the caricatures of him, with horns and a red tail, think again. More often than not, he appears as the "noblest" among us.

        Rachel Is Still Weeping

They stormed the Church of the Nativity and held nuns and priests hostage. Are these peacemakers?  What is the truth behind the Muslim-Christian alliance?

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my dear friends at foi, your above recommendation is another gimmick and also a futile exercise on your part. what else could one expect to find therein after your own 'satanic' intrigues have just been exposed in this manner? frankly, you have LOST all credibility in the eyes of the world.  you, TOO have been FORSAKEN by your MASTER OF THE DARK.

 

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 27:46 (KJV) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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some unanswered questions

as a result of the above timely article, the following unanswered questions have come to mind as well. wish someone could or would shade some light on this for the benefit of all concerned.

 1. could foi be that 'satanic cult' per se, which is already propagating the said, 'three—a pseudotrinity'?

2. however, could christianity per se, be a 'satanic cult' which had been propagating the said, 'three—a pseudotrinity' since its inception. 

3. could jesus, as depicted in the above article by foi be a 'satanic messiah' himself?  see 'confirmation of jesus' messiahship.'

4. but then, could a portion of that bible per se, be the 'satan's scripture' because the said, 'three—a pseudotrinity' was found therein?

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we have too many unanswered questions.

and now this:

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my [paul] spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan;

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additional proof.

CHRISTIANITY & SATANISM

REMEMBER THAT IF YOU ATTRIBUTE SONSHIP TO GOD THEN BE PREPARED TO FOLLOW   SATAN ONLY, BECAUSE HE COMES WITH THE 'SONS OF GOD,' JESUS INCLUDED.

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Lucifer <--> morning star  <--> Satan <--> JESUS

 

Revelation: 2:28
And I [jesus] will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the 
bright and morning star.
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THESE VERSES MUST BE TAKEN LITERALLY ONLY, AS EXHORTED

a.    2Ti 3:16   All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, 

b.    Peter II 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

c.    Hebrews 6:18 (KJV) That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
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QUESTION: SATAN'S FALL 

• WAS the satan's 'Revelation 12:9  fall'  his 2^nd, 3^rd or 4^th fall? 

• or, will the 'fall in future' -- be his 2^nd, 3^rd or 4^th fall? 

well, START COUNTING. 

• that said, was/is there 'ANOTHER ACCUSER' still present before god after removal of the one @ Revelation 12:9?

• who was he? 

• POINT HIM OUT. 

• just don't point your finger towards the heaven and accuse him BECAUSE he is not there ANY MORE, says the bible per se. 
  

the 'now' game - 

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where is jesus and what is he doing 'now,'? asks foi

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was this another of those foi--satanic ploys & deceptions?

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1.    'Now is come salvation'  
THIS - 'Now is' - WAS 2000 YEARS AGO

 

PROOF

Revelation 12:8 (KJV) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:10 (KJV) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, 

Now is come salvation, 
and strength, 
and the kingdom of our God, 
and the power of his Christ: 

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for the accuser of our brethren IS CAST DOWN
[THE SATAN'S 2^ND, 3^RD, OR 4^TH FALL(?)], 
which accused them before our God day and night.

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 Revelation 12:12 (KJV) Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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please note that this so-called 'ACCUSER of our brethren before god,' had already been expelled from god's presence over 2000 years ago. 

• so why is jesus still pleading your case before god NOW i.e., 2000 years later; 

• as claimed by will varner, the friends of israel ministry inc., NJ, usa? 

• but the new testament also says that jesus' blood sacrifice was perpetual and good for all those who would believe in him.

• was this not an article of faith as well?

'but now once in the end of the world hath HE APPEARED to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.'

Hebrews 10:12 (KJV) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;  13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.  CMT:   After he had offered one sacrifice for sins. By dying on the cross.  This he did but once; this could not be repeated; and need not be repeated, for it was sufficient for the sins of the world.

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rest assured, the said will varner has had the full and complete knowledge of the following as well. 

To put away sin 
(1.) To remove the punishment due to sin, or to provide a way of pardon; and (2.) to remove the stain of sin from the soul. Cmt. on Heb 9:2. By the sacrifice of himself. Cmt. on Heb 1:3; Cmt. on Heb 2:14; Cmt. on Heb 7:27. put away--abolish; doing away sin's power as well by delivering men from its guilt and penalty, so that it should be powerless to condemn men, as also from its yoke, so that they shall at last sin no more. sin--singular number; all the sins of men of every age are regarded as one mass laid on Christ. 

He hath not only droned for all actual sins, but destroyed sin itself. John 1:29, "Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin (not merely the sins: singular, not plural) of the world." by the sacrifice of himself--Greek, "by (through) His own sacrifice"; not by "blood of others" (Heb 9:25). ALFORD loses this contrast in translating, "by His sacrifice."

Heb 9:26
In the end of the world; in the end of the ages; in those "last days" by which the Hebrew prophets represented the then distant future of the Christian dispensation. See note to 1Co 10:11. To put away sin; to expiate it, and thus open the way for  deliverance from its punishment, pollution, and power. 

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• on the other hand, how could a defense attorney plead a defendant's case;

•     in the absence of the prosecuting attorney; 

for the accuser of our brethren IS CAST DOWN
[THE SATAN'S 2^ND, 3^RD, OR 4^TH FALL(?)], 
which accused them before our God day and night.

•     in the absence of the plaintiff ;

•     in the absence of the defendant himself?? 

• what is the "NEW" trumped up charge against the defendant, if any? 

• AND WHO BROUGHT IT AGAINST HIM?

and that's not all.

WILL JESUS PLEAD YOUR CASE TWICE i.e., 'NOW'  on the daily basis as well, ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT -- [And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after THIS THE JUDGMENT:]? believe  it or not but this is the impression given by will varner, foi.

yeah but why? according to both paul and the said will varner, foi -- 'jesus had already done that' over 2000 years ago as well, on a daily basis. 'he had won case after case, after case, after case like my favorite hero perry mason,' says the latter.

'CHRIST'S THREE APPEARINGS,' according to PAUL -- 2000 years ago

Hebrews 9:24 (KJV) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself,  "NOW" TO APPEAR in the presence of God FOR US: 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath HE APPEARED to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after THIS THE JUDGMENT: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation.

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i.      NOW TO APPEAR in the presence of God FOR US. As the Jewish high priest APPEAR before the shekinah, the symbol of the Divine Presence in the tabernacle, so Christ appears before God himself in our behalf in heaven. He has gone to plead for our salvation; to present the merits of his blood as a permanent reason why we should be saved, Cmt. on Ro 8:34; Cmt. on Heb 7:25.
{a} "APPEAR" Ro 8:34

ii.      Ro 8:34:  Who also maketh intercession for us. Cmt. on Ro 8:26. Who pleads our cause; who aids and assists us; who presents our interests 
before the mercy-seat in the heavens, for this purpose he ascended 
to heaven, Heb 7:25. This is the fourth consideration which the 
apostle urges for the security of Christians drawn from the work of 
Christ. By all these, he argues their complete security from being 
subject to condemnation by him who shall pronounce the doom of all 
mankind, and therefore their complete safety in the day of judgment. 
Having the Judge of all for our friend, we are safe.
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the above was quoted almost ditto in the following presentation, wherein the original author, albert barnes [alberta barnes' notes on the new testament], had not been given any credit for it. please feel free to verify it.

  audiotape: 'CHRIST'S THREE APPEARINGS,' by will varner, the friends of israel ministry inc., NJ, usa.   
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question

why should anyone be judged twice? jesus is pleading your case "NOW."  he will also plead for you daily and forever until the judgment day --  again as in " NOW" . 

where is 'that accuser' -  "NOW" ? 

Revelation 12:8 (KJV) And prevailed not; neither was THEIR PLACE found any more in heaven. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you,

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note: over 2000 years ago they were told, 'neither was THEIR PLACE found any more in heaven.'   rest assured, any grade 12 student will tell you what this means, right? 

question

if  the said will varner and foi were/are right then :

• WAS the satan's 'Revelation 12:9  fall'  his 2^nd, 3^rd or 4^th fall? 

• or, will the 'fall in future' -- be his 2^nd, 3^rd or 4^th fall? 

•  start counting and you be the judge.

the 'now' game - 

 

'Now is [the] judgment of this world - & - now shall ... be cast out'

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2.    John 12:31 (DBY) Now is [the] judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this world be cast out:

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for all practical purposes, jesus had rendered this verdict 2000 years ago or more.

please note here, jesus said, 'Now is [the]  judgment of this world.' 

meaning: he was NOT talking about himself or his death. rather he was talking about the judgment of the world. and that judgment will come when the prince of the world has been finally cast out. 

either that event had already taken place as in "Now is" or, will someday in not too distant a future, if we believe jack van impe. 

'now shall the prince of this world be cast out.'

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the waiting game is on. some have waited for 2000 years. others can and will wait for 2000 more. you too, can join in and play the game, if you like. the rule is simple. just wait patiently because this is the waiting game.

HOW MANY MORE FALLS?

3.    Genesis 3:14 (KJV) And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

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he was cast out into the earth -- for the devil is come down

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 

for the accuser of our brethren IS CAST DOWN

for the devil is come down

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LUCIFER, THE MORNING STAR HAD 'ALREADY TAKEN HIS 2^nd or 3^rd FALL BEFORE

'How you have fallen from heaven. O lucifer!'

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jesus is also the morning star

Revelation: 2:28
And I [jesus] will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto 
you these things in the churches. I am the 
root and the offspring of David, and the 
bright and morning star.
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Isaiah 14:12 :: New International Version (NIV) Previous chapter | This chapter | Next chapter Isaiah 14  12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 1966. heylel Search for H1966 in KJVSL llyh heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer. See Hebrew 1984	llyh Heylel (hay-lale');  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 1966 Lucifer = "light-bearer" shining one, morning star, Lucifer of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.) ISA 14:12 son of the morning Verses 12-14 evidently refer to Satan, who, as prince of this world-system
Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! {O Lucifer: or, O day star}	Revelation 2:27 (KJV) . 28 And I will give him the morning star. Revelation 22:16 (KJV) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

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• THEREFORE,  WHO WAS THE 'OTHER ACCUSER' STILL PRESENT BEFORE GOD i.e., after jesus' said sacrifice?
• HOW MANY MORE FALLS WAS THE SATAN-LUCIFER SUPPOSED TO TAKE? 
• HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THE ABOVE DISCREPANCIES WITHOUT ACTUALLY CONTRADICTING THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENTS? 

allow me to move on.

will someone try to reconcile this contradiction? when on earth jesus severed all blood ties with david and only maintained a spiritual tie with him, as explained above.  

however when in the heaven -- he laid more emphasis on the previous blood tie with david, which per se, is not without contradiction either.

1.    Revelation 22:16 (KJV) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

 

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2.    despite such strong, if not questionable assertion, let it be known that jesus himself severed all blood ties with david, and as such, he had also nullified the same as follows.

Matthew 22:42 (KJV) Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

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3.    Hebrews 7:14 (KJV) For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

4.    Genesis 35:23 (KJV) The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun:

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please note that levi and judah were BROTHERS and NOT descendants of each other. therefore aaron, jesus' priestly ancestor from his maternal side, could not have been judah's or david's descendant. and if that is the case then jesus did not have any blood relationship with them either, as may be discerned from the following.

Luke 1:5 (KJV) There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.  Luke 1:36 (KJV) And, behold, thy [mary] cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

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conclusion: despite john's and paul's respective belief and bombastic proclamation -- jesus was not related to david by blood, regardless. and here's all the scripture evidence to that effect.

 

DON'T BE DECEIVED - LET THE TRUTH SPEAK FOR ITSELF

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         here's the proof thereof

We also offer a CD on Islam- Allah, Divine or Demonic for $13.50. This CD includes Steve's book complete.  New articles have been added on Islam in modern times and Middle Eastern issues. [The page cannot be found]

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was this a real proof of bowing down to the truth namely, islam as revealed in the bible or simply, another SATANIC intrigue and deception?  well, read both responses objectively and you be the judge.

the old testament on david

Samuel II 11:5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child. Samuel II 11:14 And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah. Samuel II 11:15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die. Samuel II 11:16 And it came to pass, when Joab observed the city, that he assigned Uriah unto a place where he knew that valiant men were. Samuel II 11:17 And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab: and there fell some of the people of the servants of David; and Uriah the Hittite died also.

Chronicles I 2:4 And Tamar his daughter-in-law hath borne to him Pharez and Zerah. All the sons of Judah [are]  five. Samuel II 11:3 And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? Samuel II 11:4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

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the old testament on solomon

 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

Kings I 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; Kings I 11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. Kings I 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. Kings I 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

Kings I 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.  Kings I 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.  Kings I 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. Kings I 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon,

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the new testament on jesus

why was there a male disciple -- leaning on Jesus' bosom on more than one occasion?

he fled n_a_k_e_d! 

undeniable   biblical facts

the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons -- VIRGINS Numbers 31:1 (KJV) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. {him: Heb. a male}  18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. 21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This [is] the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses; 35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him. 40 And the persons [were] sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons. 41 And Moses gave the tribute, [which was] the LORD'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.

virgins for the lord jesus christ & the kingdom of heaven   Mark 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.  Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.     Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.     Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the m_a_r_r_i_a_g_e of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the m_a_r_r_i_a_g_e  supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

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NOTE: 'and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.' 

AND what might be the age of the youngest virgin, sirs?

jesus and an artistic -- [nudity] -- representation of christianity

was he gay? 

Matthew 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.   Mark 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled. Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them  n_a_k_e_d.   John 13:23 Now there was leaning on  Jesus' bosom  one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.    John 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved,    John 21:7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.      John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper,

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what do these scripture verses mean, leaving aside all personal biases and interpretations? 

    Peter II 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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love to hear from these self-righteous and holier than thou judeo-christians and the likes named herein.

it is interesting to note that the above heavenly rewards, regardless of the final details,  are common to the abrahamaic faith in toto. so let's put aside our different interpretations thereof and not throw dirt at the holy prophet [sas] and his followers.

 

Pope Kisses The Koran

Pope Kisses The Koran

     

        congratulations sir [POPE]     

     and, welcome to ISLAM and to toronto, canada!  

note: as a muslim, i don't see the above as a sole gesture of reconciliation on his part. 

for all intents and purposes, it was also an acknowledgment of islam's truth as revealed in the bible and its final phase, the holy qur'an. please feel free to verify the aforesaid  @    the vatican DRAWS closer to islam .  

then there are those who will DISTORT AND BELIE their own scriptures in order to denigrate islam and its holy book.

says larry mitchell:

The Koran permits a Moslem to have four wives. (Sura 4:3).  Yet Mohammed had 22 wives! One of them was Alysia, a young girl who was still playing with dolls when the prophet of Islam took her to bed!  He also married Zaynab, who was originally married to his adopted son.  Mohammed forced his son to divorce her. God hates divorce! Malachi 2:16.  Under the influence of Satan, Mohammed told his family that it was OK to worship Allah's three daughters, Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat.   There are several historical mistakes in the Koran.  In Sura 66:12, Mary, the mother of Jesus is called the daughter of Aram.  Aram was the father of Moses, Aaron and Miriam.  He died 1400 years before Mary was born!  In Sura 28:5 Haman appears in the courts with Moses and Pharoah.  Haman, the villain of the Book of Esther would not be born for another 1000 years.  In Sura 20:87, the Samaritans helps the children of Israel build the golden calf.  The Samaritans are descendants of Jews and Assyrians. They appeared 700 years after Moses!   My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus is the Son of God, and He die d for our sins.     God's standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses. 1.    Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (such as Buddha, Allah, Lucifer, Krishna or other pagan deities). God condemns all those who try to come "another way". John 3:36 2.    Thou shalt not bow down to any graven images. (including crucifixes, images of Mary, or Buddha). God condemns all idolaters. Revelation 21:8   6. Thou shalt not kill. God considers HATRED THE SAME AS MURDERING in your heart.

the bible or  the koran   1 John 3:15, Matthew 5:21?22. God condemns all murderers. Revelation 21:8 The wrath of God abides on all sinners. He that believeth on the Son hash everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 How to escape the wrath of God. 1. You need to repent, turn away from your sins. I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13 : 5 you need to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior.  what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shaft he saved Acts 16:30-3I   written by larry mitchell, Box 50206, Marlborough Postal Outlet, Calgary, Alberta, T2A 7P1, (403) 948-5401 [email protected] FOI [Friends of Israel] ministry inc., brampton, ontario

as everything else, the above is very interesting indeed, if not misleading! 

question

• how much of it is true, if anything at all? 
• did this author, Larry Mitchell give us a true picture of the scriptures and the sunni hadith -- traditions of the holy prophet [sas]?
• did he quote/refer to his own scripture correctly BEFORE discrediting and falsifying  islam, its scripture and the prophet [pbuh]?
• and more important, why would anyone want to be saved by a 'FORSAKEN  and UNSAVED savior' himself?

PROOF

THE SAVED -- SAVIOR CHRIST

Habakkuk 3:13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, For the salvation of thine anointed--christ--messiah;

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please note the above very carefully because according to this scripture, the savior christ - messiah himself NEEDED to be SAVED first and foremost  -- i.e., BEFORE he could save anyone else.

that said, was jesus christ ever saved by god, the father and his savior? well, here are a few biblical facts. you be the judge.

My God, my God, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

Luke 1:47 and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour. 

Matthew 27:46 but about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me? Mark 15:34 and at the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice, [saying], Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou f_o_r_s_a_k_e_n me?

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moses, aaron and the children of israel betrayed god. therefore, were they saved either? 

death sentence

Deuteronomy 32:50 (KJV) And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: 51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel. {Meribah-Kadesh: or, strife at Kadesh} 

Deuteronomy 31:14 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: Deuteronomy 31:16 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go [to be] among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. {sleep: Heb. lie down}  Deuteronomy 31:27 (KJV) For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

Ezekiel 14:14 (KJV) Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver [but] their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 14:20 (KJV) Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, [were] in it, [as] I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall [but] deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

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i hope you will get the message. 

god's divine oracle was fulfilled to the last letter!

says larry mitchell,

•          In Sura 28:5 Haman appears in the courts with Moses and Pharoah. 
• Haman, the villain of the Book of Esther would not be born for another 1000 years.  

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MY REPLY:     what do you say to a person who had knowingly misinterpreted his own scripture in order to  disparage and falsify ISLAM in toto? 

please note that allah himself was referring to moses, the pharaoh and his administrator. in other words, to the EGYPTIAN setting of the jewish history. 

therefore, it had practically nothing to do with the LATER  'jewish-persian'   history that larry mitchell had referred to, without actually showing this clear distinction between the two.

COMPARE

• 28: 3. We narrate unto thee (somewhat) of the story of Moses and Pharaoh with truth, for folk who believe. 28: 5. And We desired to show favour unto those who were oppressed in the earth, and to make them examples and to make them the inheritors, 28: 6.  And to establish them in the earth, and to show Pharaoh and Haman and their hosts that which they feared from them.

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           C3331. Haman was evidently Pharaoh's minister, not to be confounded with a Haman who is mentioned in the Old Testament (Esther iii.1), as a minister of Ahasuerus (Xerxes) King of Persia, the same who invaded Greece, and ruled from B.C. 485 to 464.  

• C3332. Pharaoh was trying to kill the Israelites. Instead, the Plagues of Egypt, invoked by Moses, killed thousands of Egyptians (vii. 133, and notes 1091-92), because "they were steeped in arrogance,-a people given to sin." In pursuing the Israelites in their flight, Pharaoh and his army were themselves overwhelmed in the sea. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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please feel free to verify any of the above. it is only a click away from your mouse button.

PROOF of distortion

         Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his ANOINTED-- CHRIST--MESSIAH, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; Chronicles II 36:23 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.

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The Bible Gateway

Esther 1
1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus, (this is Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, over an hundred and seven and twenty provinces:) 2 That in those days, when the king Ahasuerus sat on the throne of his kingdom, which was in Shushan the palace, 3 In the third year of his reign, he made a feast unto all his princes and his servants; the power of PERSIA and Media, the nobles and princes of the provinces, being before him:

         Esther 3

Haman's Conspiracy Against the Jews

Haman's Plot to Destroy the Jews

      1 After these things King Ahasuerus promoted Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him and set his seat above all the princes who were with him 5When Haman saw that Mordecai did not bow or pay him homage, Haman was filled with wrath. 6But he disdained to lay hands on Mordecai alone, for they had told him of the people of Mordecai. Instead, Haman sought to destroy all the Jews who were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus--the people of Mordecai.  7In the first month, which is the month of Nisan, in the twelfth year of King Ahasuerus, they cast Pur (that is, the lot), before Haman to determine the day and the month,[1] until it fell on the twelfth month,[2] which is the month of Adar. 8Then Haman said to King Ahasuerus, 15The couriers went out, hastened by the king's command; and the decree was proclaimed in Shushan the citadel. So the king and Haman sat down to drink, but the city of Shushan was perplexed.

Show footnotes

1.    3:7 Septuagint adds to destroy the people of Mordecai in one day; Vulgate adds the nation of the Jews should be
destroyed. 
2.    Following Masoretic Text and Vulgate; Septuagint reads and the lot fell on the fourteenth of the month. 
3.    3:13 Septuagint adds the text of the letter here. 

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here's all the evidence we need.  

question

• first and foremost, what was the connection and/or comparison between the qur'anic and the biblical episodes just cited?

• if none, then on what basis did larry mitchell denigrate or belie the holy qur'an?

• that said, was moses born in persia?

• did moses ever and i mean ever, set his foot in persia?

• did the egyptian pharaoh have control over the persian country during the mosaic era?

• if he did then why did not the israelite exodus begin from persia instead?

• their histories were separated by at least 1100 years and as such, it is simply ridiculous to belie both histories and scriptures on the basis of one 'common name' only.

• i am sure any  grade 12 student can  and will see  the clear difference between the two unrelated episodes as well, fallacy of his allegation.

regardless, the said jewish episode and history referred to its  PERSIAN domicile only, i.e., our modern day country of iran. it had nothing to do with its egyptian history. 

the egyptian episode, on the other hand, had already taken place by now, as suggested by larry mitchell himself. as a result, he had defeated his own false argument. and that's not all!

i guess, some people are too smart for their own good, and the individual under discussion is no exception. the following example will also show how far larry mitchell had really gone in order to REFORM jesus' teachings, his own scripture, organization, faith and practice.

 says larry mitchell, 

         God's standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses.
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (such as Buddha, ALLAH, Lucifer, Krishna or other pagan deities). God condemns all those who try to come "another way". John 3:36
2.    Thou shalt not bow down to any graven images. (including crucifixes, images of Mary, or Buddha). God condemns all idolaters. Revelation 21:8  

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the above is a very interesting and powerful statement of faith. however, was it really a true and valid interpretation of the 2 commandments cited by him? 

• in other words, did he or did not he misrepresent the teachings of the old and new testaments? 
• in the process, did he also abrogate jesus' own teachings?

well, let the bible speak for itself.

Matthew 27:40 (KJV) And saying,  If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.  Matthew 10:38 (KJV) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, IS NOT WORTHY OF ME

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note: jesus, the 'cross' &  the 'son of god' are inextricably linked together. as a result, not only is the CRUCIFIX a central pillar of faith, jesus, the bible and christianity per se, but also the same had been advocated by foi.

PROOF

        Roots of Our Faith

A BIBLE STUDY SERIES FROM JERUSALEM  

The Cross and the Tanach, Part I

By Chuck Cohen

(Unless stated otherwise, all scripture verses are from the New King James Version.)

Not fully understanding the cross can cause problems for believers.

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however, larry mitchell had contradicted jesus, his teachings, the new testament as well, his own faith and organization which advocates the same. 

in the light of these flagrant contradictions, etc., any intelligent and rational person should and MUST ask himself, what is foi -- friends of israel -- offering to me at the end of the day, if anything at all?

frankly, it is offering him nothing more than a 'satanic cult' under various FALSE pretexts. 

please review the following again.

        The Satanic Trinity

As if one evil being weren’t enough, the Bible teaches that in the last days, there will be three—a pseudotrinity—that will take over the world.

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says larry mitchell:

      The wrath of God abides on all sinners.
He that believeth on the Son hash everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

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allow me to add:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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if the above is true then please explain the following:

      Deuteronomy 33:27 The e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _G_o_d is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: Psalms 90:2 even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.   

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jesus confirmed the same like so:

   John 17:1 These things Jesus spoke, 
John 17:3 And this is the e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _l_i_f_e, 
that they should KNOW THEE, 
t_h_e_ _o_n_l_y_ _t_r_u_e_ _G_o_d, 
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and Jesus Christ whom thou hast s_e_n_t
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not only is the above contrary to what was said elsewhere about jesus christ in the gospels but also after all is said and done,  he could not have been 'the way, and the truth, and the life.' [John 14:6]. 

 

this is eternal life ---- knowledge of 'thee, the o_n_l_y true God'

              John 17 3  Now this is  e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _l_i_f_e:  that they may know you, the o_n_l_y  true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth ON H_I_M that sent me, hath e_v_e_r_l_a_s_t_i_n_g_ _l_i_f_e, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto l_i_f_e.

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QUESTION

       did john contradict himself -- compare John 3:36 &14:6  with John 17:3? 
       when did god make the following ORIGINAL PROMISE? 

   Titus 1:2 in the hope of __e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _l_i_f_e,__  which God, who cannot lie,   p_r_o_m_i_s_e_d   long   ages  ago, 
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QUESTION

         where was jesus when god made this promise long ages ago? 

• who had contradicted whom here and why?  

• on the one hand,  jesus may be the life ---     

• BUT on the other hand, 'this is e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _l_i_f_e:  the o_n_l_y  true God -- which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago.' 

this was also the message of eternal ISLAM. 

meaning: the knowledge and recognition of the only true god, is the eternal life, which  god promised long ages ago. jesus the servant and  messenger of god brought this knowledge, recognition and message from god on high in order to impart this divine secret  to the lost sheep of the house of israel only. 

but unfortunately, the jews failed to accept him and his message. whereas paul and the early church only corrupted the same.

          Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit  e_t_e_r_n_a_l_ _l_i_f_e?  Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? n_o_n_e  is  g_o_o_d, save one, that is, God.

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ONLY THE KNOWLEDGE AND FAITH ON 'THE ONE TRUE GOD' WILL LEAD THE BELIEVER TO 'THE ETERNAL LIFE,' SAYS THE BIBLE.

says larry mitchell,

Under the influence of Satan, Mohammed told his family that it was OK to worship Allah's three daughters, Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat.  

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here is the qur'anic version. please compare both versions and THEN render your own judgment.

the highest form of divine blessings in islam.

His Royal Highness Prince Aga Khan III

    Reincarnation or Companionship on High?

 "All this evidence is exactly the same. The last words of the Prophet were "Companionship on High."

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please note that the above was declared by a member of the holy prophet's house hold -- ahl al-bait and our 48th holy imam [pbuth]. 

and the holy qur'an also adds credence to the same in the following words of allah:

53:13. And verily he saw him yet another time 
53:14. By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary, 
53:15. Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode. 
53:16. When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote-tree, 
53:17. The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold. 
53:18. Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord--min 'aayaati rabbihil kubraa. 
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after this IRREFUTABLE DIVINE EVIDENCE and a handed down tradition for nearly 1350 years then, one has to wonder whether there is any merit or validity to larry mitchell's false assertion quoted above.

compare the above divine blessings with the following REBUKE. 

• 53:19.   Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza 
  53:20.   And Manat, the third, the other? 
  53:21.   Are yours the males and His the females? 
  53:22.   That indeed were an unfair division! 

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  53:23. They are but names which ye have named,  ye and your fathers, FOR WHICH ALLAH HATH REVEALED NO WARRANT. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire.  And now the GUIDANCE FROM THEIR LORD hath come unto them. 

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question

• when did the holy prophet [pbuh], under the influence of satan, command his family to worship these idols, as alleged by larry mitchell? 
• how could any right thinking individual justify such outright lies, distortions and fabrications?  
• is not religion supposed to be an integral part of ethics and vice versa? 
• if so, what do we say in the absence of it? 

            53. 19: C5095. From the heights of divine Glory, we come back again to this sorry earth, with its base idolatries. We are asked to "look at this picture, and at that!" The three principal idols of Pagan Arab Idolatry were the goddesses Lit, Uzza, and Manat. Opinions differ as to their exact forms: one version is that Lat was in human shape, Uzza had its origin in a sacred tree, and Manat in a white stone. 

•           53. 21: C5096. To show Allah in human shape, or imagine sons or daughters of Allah, as if Allah were flesh, was in any case a derogation from the supreme glory of Allah, high above all creatures, even if the human shapes were invested with great beauty and majesty as in the Greek Pantheon. But when we consider in what low opinion Pagan Arabia held the female sex, it was particularly degrading to show Allah, or so-called daughters of Allah, in female shapes. Cf. xvi. 57-59, and n. 2082; also Iii. 39, and n. 5073. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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on another matter says larry mitchell:  

•     The Koran permits a Moslem to have four wives. (Sura 4:3). Yet Mohammed had 22 wives! One of them was Alysia, a young girl who was still playing with dolls when the prophet of Islam took her to bed! 

frankly, i am not going to argue or glorify him in any way shape or form. however, i will quote only the holy qur'an in its proper context and then let you be the judge. 

        4: 3. And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. Shakir's Quran Translation

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please note how the holy qur'an begins this verse, which larry mitchell, had WRONGLY INTERPRETED.

says the holy qur'an: 'And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans,' .... then (marry) only one'.

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to any fair minded person, the meaning of the above should be obvious, a muslim father is exhorted to act equitably towards orphans first and foremost. if these orphans have lost their mother -- then that responsibility falls on their father. thereafter he is allowed to marry up to 4 women.

however, he is exhorted to be fair and equal to all of them. and, if he can't do it then it is better to take only one woman. 

            4. 3: C508. Notice the conditional clause about orphans, introducing the rules about marriage. This reminds us of the immediate occasion of the promulgation of this verse. It was after Uhud, when the Muslim community was left with many orphans and widows and some captives of war. Their treatment was to be governed by principles of the greatest humanity and equity. The occasion is past, but the principles remain. Marry the orphans if you are quite sure that you will in that way protect their interests and their property, with perfect justice to them and to your own dependants if you have any. If not, make other arrangements for the orphans.

C509. The unrestricted number of wives of the "Times of Ignorance" was now strictly limited to a maximum of four, provided you could treat them with equality. Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

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regardless, how could he simply ignore his own scripture and judge the holy qur'an which seems to be beyond his ken?

let's review the following biblical facts in order to see which of the two scriptures named herein is more credible and reliable.

those living in the glass house should and must not throw stones at others, my friend.

          My conclusion: Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Koran is full of errors! Jesus is the Son of God, and He die d for our sins.  

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irrefutable bible errors: where is Rachel's gravesite? your multiple choice answer.

          Footnotes

⁵ Bethlehem: the gloss comes from a later tradition that identified the site with Bethlehem, also called Ephrath or Ephratha (Joshua 15:59; Ruth 4:11; Micah 5:1). But Rachel's grave was actually near Ramah (Jer 31:15), a few miles north of Jerusalem, in the territory of Benjamin (1 Sam 10:2).

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 Genesis 35:19  ⁵ Thus Rachel died; and she was buried on the road to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).

Samuel I 10:2 When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, 

        Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not . 

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          Rachel Is Still Weeping

They stormed the Church of the Nativity and held nuns and priests hostage. Are these peacemakers?  What is the truth behind the Muslim-Christian alliance?

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Footnotes

¹ [2-14] The names of Esau's wives and of their fathers given here differ considerably from their names cited from other old sources in Genesis 26:34 and Genesis 28:9. Zibeon the Hivite: in Genesis 36:20 he is called a "Horite"; see note on Genesis 34:2.

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at the end of the day, both the children of israel and christians have to wonder where the above gravesite is, just like the 'pious' christians, have to wonder how and where was jesus christ crucified, if ever?

what do these contradictions & denials mean?

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Luke 1 :: New King James Version (NKJV)
¹³But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. ¹⁷He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, "to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,'^[2] and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."¹⁹And the angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings.

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2.    1:17 Malachi 4:5, 6

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contradictions & denials

         who rescued joseph and sold him to WHOM?

ISHMAELITES, THE REAL SAVIORS
of the children of israel

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PHASE 1

Genesis 37:24 And they his brothers [including judah] took him [joseph], and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it. 
Genesis 37:25 And they sat down to eat bread: and they lifted up their eyes and looked, and, behold, A COMPANY OF ISHMEELITES came from Gilead with THEIR CAMELS bearing spicery and balm and myrrh, going to carry it down TO EGYPT. 
Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 
Genesis 37:27 Come, and let us SELL HIM TO THE ISHMEELITES, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content. 
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so maybe, the conniving israelite brothers sold him to the ISHMAELITES. then maybe they did not.

then maybe they sold him to the MIDIANITES MERCHANTMEN and they in turn sold him to the ISHMEELITES. in short, moses, the 'divinely inspired' author of the pentateuch -- could not make up his mind 100% then. so he left us with this hodgepodge. 

PHASE 2

Midianites merchantmen; 

Genesis 37:28 Then there passed by MIDIANITES MERCHANTMEN; 
and THEY DREW AND LIFTED UP Joseph out of the pit, 
AND SOLD JOSEPH TO THE ISHMEELITES
for twenty pieces of silver: 
and they brought Joseph into Egypt. 
Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, 
behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. 
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meaning:

first of, that the conniving brothers left him in the pit. 
and second, the midianites sold him to the ISHMAELITES, who turn brought and sold him into egypt.
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no! the MIDINIATES sold him into egypt!

Genesis 37:36 And the MIDIANITES SOLD HIM INTO EGYPT
unto potiphar, an officer of pharaoh's, and captain of the guard. 
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NO! NO! the ISHMAELITES brought and sold him into egypt.

Genesis 39:1 And Joseph was BROUGHT DOWN TO EGYPT; 
and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, 
captain of the guard, an Egyptian, 
BOUGHT HIM OF THE HANDS OF THE ISHMEELITES, 
WHICH HAD BROUGHT HIM DOWN THITHER. 
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so the question is, WHO DID IT after all is said and done? were not the ISHMAELITES the real SAVIORS of the children of israel then? you bet!

the following facts also prove it without a shadow of the doubt.

MOSES  P_R_O_S_T_R_A_T_E_D  to a midianite/ ISHMAELITE IMAM

• moses was commissioned in the land of the midianites/ISHMAELITES. 

• he PROSTRATED to the midianite/ISHMAELITE IMAM, who also guided him. 

• AARON joined them later.

Exodus 2:15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, AND DWELT IN THE LAND OF MIDIAN : and he sat down by a well. 
Exodus 4:19 And the LORD SAID UNTO MOSES IN MIDIAN, Go, return into Egypt: for all the men are dead which sought thy life. 

let the scripture speaks for itself

    Exodus 18:7 (Wycliffe translation) And Moises yede out into the comyng of his alie, and worschipide, and kiste hym, and thei gretten hem silf to gidere with pesible wordis.

Exodus 18:7 (YLT) And Moses goeth out to meet his father-in-law, and boweth himself, and kisseth him, and they ask one at another of welfare, and come into the tent;  Exodus 18:19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God: Exodus 18:12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.    ===

          7812. shachah
Search for H7812 in KJVSL
hxv shachah shaw-khaw'
a primitive root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (especially 
reflexive, in homage to royalty or God):--bow (self) down, 
crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) 
obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.
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MEANING: not only were the ishmaelites more prominent than the children of israel despite god's solemn promise to the latter but also they were featured more prominently in god's own divine plan.

for example:

• moses married a midianite/ISHMAELITE woman. 

• moses PROSTRATED to a midianite/ISHMAELITE imam-priest. 

• moses was GUIDED by a midianite/ISHMAELITE imam-priest. 

• as was aaron.

and finally did not god also say?

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

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my dear friends, this is none other than the ISHMAELITE PROPHET 'like unto moses' from 'AMONG THEIR BRETHREN' which god had raised as per his promise. you are commanded to follow him.

so please, show some gratitude to god  for his MERCY unto you and STOP misleading other uninformed or misinformed jews and christians alike!! don't be like the rebellious lot that the children of israel were in the millenniums gone by .

 

THE REAL 911 LIKE TRAGEDY

the shaky christian foundation gives way and crumbles BEFORE the world

 

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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what do i mean? 

PROPHECY 1

Isaiah 40:3 (KJV) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for O_U_R GOD. Isaiah 40:4 (KJV) Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: AND THE CROOKED SHALL BE MADE STRAIGHT, and the rough places plain: {straight: or, a straight place} {plain: or, a plain place} Isaiah 40:5 (KJV) AND THE GLORY  OF THE LORD SHALL BE REVEALED, and ALL FLESH shall see [it] together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
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please note that 2 very important things stand out in the above prophesy. 

   1.     'O_U_R    GOD'

   2.     'ALL FLESH'  -- [Numbers 27:16 (YLT)]

meaning:  his was a UNIVERSAL MISSION and not just limited 'to the lost sheep of the house of israel,' as was the case with jesus.

JOHN'S OWN REPLY

despite john denials and contradictions @ john 1:19-25, see below, he had the following to say about his own commission.

john 1: ²³He said: "I am  "The voice of one crying in the wilderness:  "Make straight the way of the LORD,"'^[7] as the prophet Isaiah said."

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•     john could not have been the prophesied forerunner ;

•     because not only did he contradict and deny any knowledge of jesus ;

•     but also and more importantly, jesus' mission was limited ONLY 'to the lost sheep of the house of israel' ;

•     and hence, john's mission could not be one of a wider scope or more universal in nature. 

•     paul, the popes and the early church fathers would not allow it, as can be seen from the new testament itself.

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corroborative and DETAILED PROPHECY 2 
god will reveal himself in the land of kedar, arabia.

Isaiah 42:8 (KJV) I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and MY GLORY will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:11 (KJV) Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up [their voice], the villages [that] KEDAR [ISHMAEL'S SON] doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Isaiah 42:12 (KJV) Let them give GLORY unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. 

Isaiah 42:13 (KJV) The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, ROAR; he shall prevail against his enemies. Isaiah 42:16 (KJV) And I will bring the blind by a way [that] they knew not; I will lead them in paths [that] they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 
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can you see how closely these 2-two isaiah texts/prophecies were related to each other in sum and substance?  however, if the latter was fulfilled in the holy prophet muhammad and the holy imam hzt. mowlana ali (as) then it is obvious that the earlier text namely, Isaiah 40:3  was also a prophecy relating to them, and not to john the baptist as misconstrued. see details below.

FULFILLMENT  IN ISLAM

rest assured, this was the most fitting description of Hzt. Imam Ali (as) [The Lion Of Allah] in the bible. 

   [ HQ: surah al-fatihah--opening -- made up of 7 verses]

    Hzt. Ali's [as] [the LION of allah] -- [ahl-al-bait -- house of muhammad--ahmad --praise--judah -- genesis 49:8-10]. Divine Sword was Dhulfikar [Zulfikar]. the WHITE HORSE was called Dhuldul [ c72 - TARIYE TUN TARANHAR]. 

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5:15. O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. now hath come unto you LIGHT--NOOR from Allah and Scripture MANIFEST--MUBIIN, 5:16. Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guideth them unto a straight path--SIRAATIM MUSTAQIIM. 

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PROPHECY 3

Malachi 3:1 (KJV) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
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STOP!   THE ABOVE MALACHI PROPHECIES WERE NEITHER FULFILLED IN JOHN THE BAPTIST NOR JESUS. see below, ''CRUCIAL PROPHECIES UNFULFILLED''

 

      John 1 :: New King James Version (NKJV)

A Voice in the Wilderness
^{(2) 19} Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" ²⁰He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ."
²¹And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."
²²Then they said to him, "Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?"  ²³He said: "I am  "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Make straight the way of the LORD,"'^[7] as the prophet Isaiah said."
²⁴Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. ²⁵And they asked him, saying, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

³¹I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water." ³²And John bore witness, saying, "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. ³³I did not know Him, 

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the complete foundation of jesus'  own mission and christianity per se, COLLAPSES with john's outright denials and contradictions. thereafter, all else becomes baseless. it becomes a matter of sheer speculation, conjecture and of academic interest only. this is explained in details @  section 2_i_pi  [to be posted soon].

john tendered a deathblow to jesus' claim and mission. how? here's the bible's answer: 

• "What then? Are you ELIJAH?" HE SAID, "I AM NOT." 

• if you are not the Christ, NOR ELIJAH, 

• 31     I did not know Him [jesus]; 

• 33     I did not know Him [jesus], 
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what is the meaning of the above? 

a.    in other words, what was the deeper meaning of these denials by john the baptist?
b.    did he purposely lie to the seekers after the truth? 
c.    if he did then why should god hold them accountable on the day of judgment?
d.    Elijah was expected to return just before the day of God's wrath to turn people
hearts and thereby avert God's curse (Mal 4:5-6; Sirach 48:1-11.] 

BUT JOHN DID NO SUCH THING. AND JESUS, WELL, HE WAS NOT CUT OUT FOR IT EITHER.  

'CRUCIAL PROPHECIES UNFULFILLED'

Luke 12:49 (KJV) I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
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if the above is true then what did it do to jesus' own hopes and aspirations & mission?  to put it very mildly and generously, 

•     jesus minus elias/elijah was zip! 

•     his mission minus elias/elijah was zip! 

•     his faith minus elias/elijah was zip! 

•     christianity minus elias/elijah was zip!

and there are no two ways about it.

• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    none of the isaiah or malachi prophecies were fulfilled in either john or jesus, save fabrications and conjectures. 
• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    jesus had no forerunner. 
• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    jesus had no mission.
• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    jesus had no claim.   
• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    there could be no christianity at all.       
• without elijah -  [which john was not]     -    all else was baseless and futile, sheer speculation, conjecture and of  academic  interest only. 

SO ALL IN ALL, JOHN THE SUPPOSED FORERUNNER REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH JESUS CHRIST AND HIS MISSION -- NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. ALTHOUGH JOHN RELEASED 2 OR MORE OF HIS FOLLOWERS WHO WISHED TO JOIN JESUS' FOLLOWING, JOHN HIMSELF DID NOT BECOME A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST.

• HOWEVER, THIS WAS THE SAME JOHN WHO HAD BAPTIZED JESUS NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND ALSO DECLARED HIM AS THE 'SON OF GOD.'

HERE ARE ADDITIONAL BIBLICAL FACTS, IF YOU WILL.

VERY IMPORTANT AND NOTE WORTHY 

Matthew 27:46 (KJ2000) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calls for Elijah.

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JESUS INVOKED 'MY GOD -- ELI x 4-four @

Revelation 3:12 (KJ2000) He that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD -- ELI, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD -- ELI, and the name of the city of MY GOD -- ELI, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from MY GOD -- ELI: and I will write upon him MY NEW NAME.

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please read the above very carefully because these scriptures show that 'ELI--MY GOD' was PRESENT at all times.

Eli

easton's bible dictionary ---  Eli ascent, the high priest [IMAM] when the ark was at Shiloh [PEACE--ISLAM] (1Sa 1:3,9). He was the first of the line of Ithamar, AARON'S fourth son (1Ch 24:3; comp. 2Sa 8:17), who held that office.       international bible standard encyclopedia ---  ELI --  e'-li (`eli):  A DESCENDANT of Ithamar, the fourth son of AARON, who exercised the office of HIGH PRIEST IN SHILOH [IMAM-PEACE -ISLAM] at the time of the birth of Samuel. For the first time in Israel, Eli combined in his own person the functions of HIGH PRIEST [IMAM] AND JUDGE, judging Israel for 40 years (Job 40:11). A. C. Grant

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whatever the case may be, it is clear from these biblical episodes that 'ELI--MY GOD',  the other DIVINE BEING mentioned in the bible was none other than 'ALI' OF THE ISLAMIC CONTEXT AND DISPENSATION.

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    47    ²⁹ Some of the bystanders who heard it said, "This one is calling for Elijah."

    49  But the rest said, "Wait, let us see if Elijah comes to save him."

ÅHlivaß Helias (hay-lee'-as); Word Origin: Hebrew,  Noun Masculine, Strong #: 2243 Elijah = "my God is Jehovah"

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Footnotes

    ²⁸ Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?: Jesus cries out in the words of Psalm 22:2, a psalm of lament that is the Old Testament passage most frequently drawn upon in this narrative. In Mark the verse is cited entirely in Aramaic, which Matthew partially retains but changes the invocation of God to the Hebrew Eli, possibly because that is more easily related to the statement of the following verse about Jesus' calling for Elijah.

²⁹ Elijah: see the note on Matthew 3:4. This prophet, taken up into heaven (2 Kings 2:11), was believed to come to the help of those in distress, but the evidences of that belief are all later than the gospels.

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despite the above text and explanation thereof, i still believe the 'crucified jesus' was calling upon 'ELIYAH' -- 'THE GOD OF YHWH.' please remember that the yhwh called him 'the lord -- adonay': 

at my right

a.    Psalms 110:1 (KJVSL)  The LORD <Y@hovah> said <n@'um> unto my Lord <'adown>, Sit <yashab> thou at my right hand <yamiyn>,

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at thy right

b.    Psalms 110:5 (KJVSL) The Lord <'Adonay > at thy right hand <yamiyn> [adnoi vs#1]

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         it is reported by abu ishaq thalabi that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet to give the name of the man who had knowledge of the book and brought the queen of sheba with her throne within the twinkling of an eye.

the holy prophet said: "IT WAS ALI."  

it is stated in minhaj al sadiqin and umdat al bayan -- [SUNNI HADITH] -- that then the holy prophet said to ALI:

"O ALI, thou had been HIDDEN -- [BATIN, navali] -- WITH ALL THE PROPHETS of allah preceding me, AND WITH ME THOU ARE MANIFEST - [ZAHIR, navali] - [M.S. U.B.] [#vr. 40. [1699], s.v. mir ahmed ALI, pp. 1157].

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NADI ALI, WHICH THE HOLY PROPHET RECITED

        [Pooya/Ali Commentary 27:20]

it is reported by abu ishaq thalabi that abdullah bin salam asked the holy prophet to give the name of the man who had knowledge of the book and brought the queen of sheba with her throne within the twinkling of an eye.

the holy prophet said: "IT WAS ALI."

it is stated in minhaj al sadiqin and umdat al bayan -- [SUNNI HADITH]-- that then the holy prophet said to ALI:

"O ALI, YOU HELPED ALL THE PROPHETS of allah incognito -- [BATIN, navali] -- (concealed from view), and YOU HELP ME in propria persona - [ZAHIR, navali] - (in person) MANIFESTLY."

Ali ibn abi Talib is known as mazhar al aja-ib and mazhar al ghara-ib because, as willed by Allah, he used to appear in different forms to carry out divine plans under very special circumstances. These two epithets are exclusively reserved for Ali. Even today the true believers invoke Allah to send him for help (???*navali).

      the Famous Dua, Known as Nadi Ali, Which The Holy Prophet Recited, As Commanded By Allah, At Khaybar Refers To Ali As Mazhar Al Aja-Ib. Ali Ibn Abi Talib Is Also Known As Mushkil Kusha, The Remover Of Hardships. 

In every age, to many persons he comes personally to remove hardships. Through his name great spiritual achievements are attained. The Holy Prophet, and after him, Ali are acknowledged as the most superior possessors of the spiritual powers.
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OR DO WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER? 

see also  Israel My Glory Magazine

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the above DISTORTION OF FACTS needs no further comment after what we have seen already from this judeo-christian source. 

now let the biblical facts speak for themselves.  

Matthew 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. 
Matthew 11:2 Now when JOHN had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 
Matthew 11:3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, OR DO WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER? 

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Luke 7:19 And JOHN calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? OR LOOK WE FOR ANOTHER? 
Luke 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, JOHN BAPTIST HATH SENT US unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? OR LOOK WE FOR ANOTHER? 

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          John the Baptist Witnesses About Himself and Jesus (1:19-34) The leaders in Jerusalem send an investigating team, referred to as the Jews (Ioudaios, v. 19). Those sent to interview John had a task that was far from simple. ... Within Judaism there were many popular movements (cf. Horsley 1992) and much speculation concerning the Coming One prophesied in Scripture. It was as confusing a time as our own. Even the hope for a coming
messiah was not a single, simple idea, but rather a complex variety of expectations that had  been developing for several centuries (cf. Schürer 1973-1987:2:488-554). 

The interrogation falls into two sections, the first concerning the Baptist's identity(1:19-23) and the second concerning his activity (1:24-28). As the interrogation begins, John emphatically denies that he is the Christ (v. 20). They then ask him, almost as if they were working through a check list of expected eschatological figures, if he is Elijah or the Prophet (v. 21). 

Elijah was expected to return just before the day of God's wrath to turn people
hearts and thereby avert God's curse (Mal 4:5-6; Sirach 48:1-11) 

and THE PROPHET probably refers to the prophet like Moses (Deut 18:15-18; cf. Jn 4:19-25). 

When John rejects both of these suggestions they change their approach and allow him to identify himself in his own way (1:22). He does so by referring to an entirely obscure figure--not really a "figure" at all but only a voice (v. 23).

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rest assured, nothing much had changed save speculations and conjectures only. hence, the unanswered question is still valid today as it was in the biblical times.

'OR DO WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER?'

and the frivolous and futile search continues.

 

PERSONAL OPINIONS AND ABROGATION OF THEIR SCRIPTURE

   says larry mitchell -- [Friends of Israel]   God's standard is the 10 commandments given by the prophet Moses.

6. Thou shalt not kill. God considers HATRED THE SAME AS MURDERING in your heart. 1 John 3:15, Matthew 5:21-22. God condemns all murderers. Revelation 21:8

[emphasis added, navali]

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believe me, it is easier said than done! how could you love someone when you hate his god, prophet, religion and scripture? in one of his more recent pamphlets he also wrote:

     although god has promised many blessings to the arab nations, presently the majority of these dear souls are lost. ISLAM CANNOT NOT SAVE! IT IS A FALSE RELIGION which DENIES that jesus is the son of god and that he died on the cross for our sins ....  [' ishmael god understands your affliction']

[emphasis added, navali -- obtained this pamphlet from him may 18, 2002]

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hey larry, is ISLAM wrong just because --  it 'DENIES that jesus is the son of god and that he died on the cross for our sins'? what will you say of your own judeo-christian faith, if i could prove that your so-called 'inspired word of god' goes far beyond and above what the holy qur'an had said?

in any case, more often than not, such PERSONAL opinions, half backed truths and/or misconstrued interpretations have superceded the bible and its teachings.

        moreover, Friends of Israel's vehement dislike of and prejudice against  islam and its followers is no secret. it is well  documented in its bi-monthly magazine namely, 'israel my glory.'  

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despite the above COMMENDABLE preaching & TEACHING, i regret to say that the author -- larry mitchell had personally VIOLATED the letter and the spirit of this stupendous commandment of god more than once. i have met him as well,  read his literature with some interest and as such, i know his personal feelings re: the same.

John I 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 

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according to the old and  the new testaments, the children of ISHMAEL and the children of ISRAEL were brethren. they were bound together for all eternity by the abrahamaic covenant. this godly or divine promise to abraham began with the book of genesis, and continued its manifestation in various forms throughout the rest of the bible until its predestined  transition & culmination in the FINAL PHASE OF ISLAM over 1420 plus years ago.

but most unfortunately, not only have some members of the judeo-christian and the christian communities FAILED TO SEE THE UNFOLDING OF THIS DIVINE PLAN AND ITS FULFILLMENT,  but also they have been very quick to judge the faith of  'ISLAM'  per se -- on the basis of what some MISGUIDED AND FRUSTRATED arabs and people of other nationals had done recently under the pretext and banner of islam [peace and submission to god, allah]. 

• however, those very  individuals, it seems are either UNAWARE and/or have simply  ignored or overlooked their own past cultural history and persecution of their own members, jews, other christians and muslims alike -- carried out by the early church fathers/the roman catholic church, etc., for centuries.
•     they have knowingly ignored the root cause and enormous contributions made by both the usa in the middle east and by israel, since its occupation of the palestinian land several decades ago.
•     see The Vatican PROFILE ; 
•      the usa -- american double standard ;
•      and the ISRAEL'S PROFILE .
•    the usa had also knowingly ignored the pain and suffering as well, the frustration of millions in the mid-east and elsewhere in pursuit of its own political and vital strategic interests worldwide. 
•   on the one hand, the said individuals have also deliberately ignored the teachings of their own scriptures and on the other, they have wrongly judged those of  islam, as revealed in the holy qur'an.
•     their unfounded bias and hatred towards islam is obvious from their writings and ATTACK on allah, his holy prophet [pbuh] his religion and his book, as will be seen here below.

this section is directed among others, at  larry mitchell, [Friends of Israel] GOSPEL MINISTRY, calgary, alberta, canada.

we met just by chance before christmas last year, at one of the weekend flea markets where he has a small literature booth. at the time, we spoke about various aspects of our respective faiths namely, the judeo- christainity and islam, etc.  in spite of the HORRIBLE EVENTS of  september 11, 2001 in new york, usa, we had a good chat for several hours and concluded the same with mutual respect for each other. 

months later, i heard from 2 of his church members that he had high regard for me and also asserted something to the effect, 'ali is very knowledgeable and intelligent. HE KNOWS SOMETHING HE SHOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN.'  

that said, let them refute the following, if they will. god VIOLATED his own commandment.

GOD SOUGHT TO KILL MOSES

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. 

violation

Exodus 4:14 And the anger of Jehovah burneth against Moses, and He saith, `Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother?  Exodus 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him [moses], and sought to kill him. Exodus 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. Exodus 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Exodus 14:14 Jehovah doth fight for you, and ye keep silent.' Exodus 14:25 and turneth aside the wheels of their chariots, and they lead them with difficulty, and the Egyptians say, `Let us flee from the face of Israel, for Jehovah is fighting for them against the Egyptians.'

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'JIHAD' IN THE BIBLE 

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Timothy I 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

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in the light of these scripture teachings only, who could stop and/or control a few frustrated and radical minded individuals -- be they jews, christians or arabs, etc., if they would misuse the same in pursuit of their own political gains?

THE VENGEFUL LORD

Deuteronomy 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense; Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

Thessalonians II 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Psalms 94:1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, show thyself. Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

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destroy them completely

Deuteronomy 20:4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you. Deuteronomy 20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: Deuteronomy 20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 
Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: Deuteronomy 20:18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God. 

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although the holy qur'an did not go this far, it is obvious from the biblical text cited above that this then, was a part and parcel of every religion, regardless. 

now, how the  above exhortation was implemented -- depended entirely on how such verses were interpreted -- especially by those who wanted to advance their own personal and/or political agenda -- under the pretext of 'some' religion. the ongoing IRA problem in great britain is one of the prime examples in this case. then, we have the intellectual warfare conducted by the friends of israel themselves.

John I 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 

Deuteronomy 27:18 Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen. Isaiah 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Isaiah 59:10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men. Exodus 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous. Deuteronomy 16:19 Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous. Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Ephesians 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 

John I 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 

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your alternative choice!!!

         Was he Solomon, Jesus or Muhammad ?

Muhammad's name appeared in Haggai 2:7 under the hebrew word mahmad () which means praised one (Muhammad is Arabic for praised one). It almost undoubtedly is referring to the Arabic Prophet Muhammad.

The 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is discussing someone. Jews will say it is discussing Solomon, while Christians will say it is discussing Jesus. Considering this is the Songs of Solomon, it would seem logical that it is discussing Solomon. The verses describing this mystery man have the narators speech conjuagted in the feminine (meaning it is a woman who is describing this man) so it is possible that it is one of Solomon's wives discussing her Husband (Solomon). However, if a Christian tries to assert that Jesus is being discussed, then they are insinuating that this is discussing a future prophet (a man who was not yet alive at that point), a prophesy.... If the 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is looking into the future, then there is no doubt it is discussing Muhammad.

Throughout the chapter, someone is being discussed. Whomever it is, verse 15 says his "countenance (face) is as Lebanon", so this is an Arabic gentleman (or Arab looking), a Semitic man none the less. Verse 11 says "his head is as the most fine gold, his locks are wavy, and black as a raven". Verse 10 describes this man as being "radiant and ruddy" which means he was slightly light-skinned with a rosy color. This can be confirmed in the Sahih Bukhari Hadiths, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 747, which says Muhammad was slightly light skinned, with a rosy color (and also has the same hair as is mentioned in verse 11). Also verse 14 describes this man as having a stomach like ivory. I take it this means the parts of his body that were usually covered by his garment from the sun, were very white (like ivory). This also can be atributed to Muhammad who although having a rosy, golden color, had white armpitts (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 17, Number 141 says you could see the whites of his armpitt when he raised his hand). WHAT'S THE POINT?!?!

Discussing skin color, and hair color is fruitless, and if I was basing it solely on that, it could be describing ANY Semitic man. However, this person's name is given. In reading the English translation of Songs 5:16 it finishes the description by saying "He is altogether lovely". The words "altogether lovely" was translated from mahmad (). We'll take a closer look at this four character word, and prove this is talking about Muhammad...

First of all, the way this word is written is Hebrew is . That happens to be the EXACT same was Muhammad's name is written in Hebrew. Let's look at the spelling of this word...

It has four characters. Going from right to left they are...

Now, when writing in Hebrew, there is no difference between the word mahmad () and Muhammad (). The only difference is in the vowels used when pronouncing this word (). Hebrew is an ancient language, and there are no vowels. It is made up of 22 consonants. In ancient times, the reader decided on his own which vowels to add in. It was not until the 8th century that vowels were introduced, in the form of dots and lines. However, this has nothing to do with real Hebrew. The word mahmad () in ancient times would most likely have been pronounced "mahamad".

According to Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary, is correctly pronounced "mahamad" (not mahmad) which is very close to Muhammad.

Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary defines "" as "lovely, coveted one, precious one, praised one". The correct way to say "praised one" in Arabic is Muhammad, so this is the same word!

As was stated before, the name Muhammad () and the word mahmad () are spelled exactly the same way in Hebrew, and both have the same meaning. The only reason they are pronounced different is because of vowels (dots and lines) introduced in the eigth century.

The Hebrew word for praised one is

The Hebrew word for Muhammad (the Arabic Prophet) is

In conclusion, if Songs of Solomon chapter 5 is discussing a man to come after that time, it is without a doubt Muhammad, as it even mentions his name. Any Christian who believes Jesus is the Messiah, and believes that books were sent down by God after the TaNaKh (Jewish Bible), then surely they should take into account what they just read here, and consider the Qur'an before making a decision.

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good luck in your search.

 

 

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So follow the religion of Abraham [imam],

Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion 
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION 
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