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The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Part 02.

Jan 24^th, 2007, 9:47am

So Jrmyx did you think it was safe to go into the water. Your teeth gnashed so much that whiles biting the Dust you also blew the fuses on the Mad Philosophers guild huh.?

Well I saved those conversations and they appear now on the End of Times web site.

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The Last page where our conversations ended is now writ here for you to remind yourself that the much loved Doomsday Prophet Starjade used that most posative law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 in its correct context.

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Why (tee hee) Even ikkle baby Jesus agrees with me.
John Chapter 8 verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews.
Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true.

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So wot you got to say then. Is it Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb and Jrmyx has bit the Dust.

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Re: The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Part 02.

Reply #2 - Jan 24^th, 2007, 8:30pm

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Why (tee hee) Even ikkle baby Jesus agrees with me.
John Chapter 8 verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews.
Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true.

You've claimed that the New Testament was written by Romans for the purpose of supporting a 'false prophet'. Why should it suprise me or anyone that they have interpreted Deut. 19:15 in the same wrong way you have. A wrong interpretation is the fastest way to frame a prophetic claim in legitimacy.

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Reply #3 - Jan 28^th, 2007, 5:22pm

Hrmm,

StarJade must be busy making giant placards proclaiming, "The End id Nigh," or maybe, "Lest Ye Follow StarJade, Ye Shall Perish," or some such.

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Reply #4 - Jan 29^th, 2007, 7:09am

Quote from JrnymnX on Jan 24^th, 2007, 8:30pm:

Quote from Doomsday Prophet on Jan 24^th, 2007, 9:47am:

Why (tee hee) Even ikkle baby Jesus agrees with me.
John Chapter 8 verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews.
Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true.

Starjade says: Yes the Romans created the false Prophet Jesus and to do that they needed to be exact when making those proclomations. They were quoting the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 exactly as the law should be used. The law is not open to interpretation. You also forget the fact that all your religious scholars that you mentioned agreed with you believed in Jesus along with millions of other people.

You also forget the many other places where the use of that law was mentioned.

Now i have shown you that Biblical characters agree with me and not you. Admit your error and face the fact that you are still chewing the dust. You claimed the law of Deuteronomy is a negative law and yet I showed you that the law is posative all the way.

How can you even think that soemthing that can be used to prove something is negative. Tsk Tsk it just defies belief. Well now i showed by examples that others also use that Jewish law in its proper context and how funny that I use the ikkle baby Jesus and other quotes as back up to my words being true.

OH and i remind you that i can establish that Jesus is a fraud but nobody on this Planet can establish that accusation against me. My word is backed up and by Deuteronomy law. That is the word of the living God. So it is rather foolish to argue with a Prophet from God on matters of religious law that I brought up into the conversation.

By the way. Just in case that nasty gremlin appears agin I shall be saving these words also and adding them to the End of Times web site.

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Reply #5 - Jan 29^th, 2007, 7:11am

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Hrmm,

StarJade must be busy making giant placards proclaiming, "The End id Nigh," or maybe, "Lest Ye Follow StarJade, Ye Shall Perish," or some such.

I tried to access this forum on Friday but it said site was not there. This often happens friday to monday. Plus for the next 14 weeks I shall be busy doing some other stuff that cannot be avoided. I will pass by and save your replies to disc and reply when i am able. Why you are more impatient than I am.

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Reply #6 - Jan 29^th, 2007, 4:00pm

Starjade says: Yes the Romans created the false Prophet Jesus and to do that they needed to be exact when making those proclomations.

JrnymnX replies: If they were correct in their interpretation (as you say they were) then Jesus would be the Messiah.

Starjade says: They were quoting the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 exactly as the law should be used.

JrnymnX replies: Again with trying to prove Jesus was a valid messenger from God? I thought you didn't believe that.

Starjade says: The law is not open to interpretation.

JrnymnX replies: Well, it certainly is. I've shown you the right interpretation, you've shown me your interpretation.

Starjade says:You also forget the fact that all your religious scholars that you mentioned agreed with you believed in Jesus along with millions of other people.

JrnymnX replies: The religious scholars I've quoted most certainly did not believe in Jesus.

Starjade says:Now i have shown you that Biblical characters agree with me and not you.

JrnymnX replies: That may be so, but I care as little about these 'fictional' characters agreeing with you as I do about fictional characters like Lady Penelope and Jeff Tracey agreeing with you.

Starjade says: You claimed the law of Deuteronomy is a negative law and yet I showed you that the law is posative all the way.

JrnymnX replies: Your claims notwithstanding, the accepted interpretation is that the law (Dev. 19:15) is a negative law. "Onw witness shall not rise up..."

Starjade says: How can you even think that soemthing that can be used to prove something is negative.

JrnymnX replies: That's just it - it can't.

Starjade says: Well now i showed by examples that others also use that Jewish law in its proper context and how funny that I use the ikkle baby Jesus and other quotes as back up to my words being true.

JrnymnX replies: Funny. More like perposterous.

Starjade saysH and i remind you that i can establish that Jesus is a fraud but nobody on this Planet canestablish that accusation against me.

JrnymnX replies: No need to 'remind' me, its been pounded into my memory with a large hammer and blunt awl.

Starjade says: Just in case that nasty gremlin appears agin i shall be saving these words also and adding them to the End of Times web site.

JrnymnX replies: Dang gremlins.

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Reply #7 - Jan 29^th, 2007, 4:04pm

Quote from Doomsday Prophet on Jan 29^th, 2007, 7:11am:

I will pass by and save your replies to disc and reply when i am able. Why you are more impatient than I am.

I seem to recall an accusation that I was ducking the issue and gone for a year. It seems that under these circumstances I am justified in producing a few good natured complaints about your slow response times.

All joking aside, take your time. (I'll while away the days claiming victory and such. )

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Reply #8 - Yesterday at 6:51am

[quote] Quote from JrnymnX on Jan 29^th, 2007, 4:04pm:

Quote from Doomsday Prophet on Jan 29^th, 2007, 7:11am:

I will pass by and save your replies to disc and reply when i am able. Why you are more impatient than I am.

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JrnymnX you said: I seem to recall an accusation that I was ducking the issue and gone for a year. It seems that under these circumstances I am justified in producing a few good natured complaints about your slow response times.

All joking aside, take your time. (I'll while away the days claiming victory and such. )

Starjade says; My slow response was not being able to access this forum. Then my posts came under attack and have been erased. Too bad for the griper that I save my conversations that must piss them off. Minimal damage has been done.

As I knew you would be eager for a reply to things you say I had to point out I was being distracted. I did say I would reply (if able) And we all know my reply responses are worth the wait and are extensive. You have lost these conversations so for you there is only defeat. Face the reality your words did not stand on solid rock. Whiles my words were harder than a rock and still you have not cracked them.

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Reply #9 - Yesterday at 7:08am

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Starjade says: Yes the Romans created the false Prophet Jesus and to do that they needed to be exact when making those proclamations.

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JrnymnX replies: If they were correct in their interpretation (as you say they were) then Jesus would be the Messiah.

Starjade says: It is only you looking for interpretations. I say it either is or it isn�t. The Romans invented the tale but they had to have the Jews help to pull the scam off. As the scam was being presented to the Jews then they had to be exacting and Deuteronomy law is exact. Even they knew of that law and how that law is used. You presumed too much and did not expect me to use New Testament writers and characters to back my mouth up.

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Starjade says: They were quoting the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 exactly as the law should be used.

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JrnymnX replies: Again with trying to prove Jesus was a valid messenger from God? I thought you didn't believe that.

Starjade says: Jesus is not a messenger from God he is just a character in a book. A book writ to convince the Jews of the tale as if it was fact and so they had to wrap that tale up using some facts and Deuteronomy law was one of them. It is clear the writers knew all about the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15. They display the use of that law just as I have done. So on that argument you truly bit the Dust.

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Starjade says: The law is not open to interpretation.

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JrnymnX replies: Well, it certainly is. I've shown you the right interpretation, you've shown me your interpretation.

Starjade says: I have not shown any interpretation I showed you how the law is used and can be used to determine matters of crimes of iniquity and sin. Backed up by the Old and (cough) new Testament. Where they also used the same law the same way as I do. You just cannot accept that reality as it shattered your arguments and interpretations that you tried to pull to dust.

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Starjade says:You also forget the fact that all your religious scholars that you mentioned agreed with you believed in Jesus along with millions of other people.

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JrnymnX replies: The religious scholars I've quoted most certainly did not believe in Jesus.

Starjade says: Well as that debate was not discussed or investigated then you cannot be so sure. I have met some stupid Jews who did believe in Jesus. I have met many more who wisely did not. The point is those so-called scholars you called into the debate are clearly uninformed and mistaken in their beliefs. I showed that to be a fact. John Chapter 8 verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews. Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true.

Galatians Chapter 13 verse 1: This is the third time I am coming to you, at the mouth of two witnesses or of the three, every matter must be established. John Chapter 5 verse 31: If I alone bear witness to myself, my witness is not true. Also in John Chapter 8 verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews. Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true. (Tee hee) Again and again you bite the Dust. You are not just arguing over this matter with me and Deuteronomy law itself but also you stand against other writers who are written into the Bible. Now you really are on dodgy ground with your shallow beliefs but you refuse to give up your ghosts. So then there is no error there that I can see on my part.

Clearly your so called scholars had blinkers on. It is clear that New Testament text is openly quoting the correct use of the law. They had to be right on that because they were speaking and trying to convince the Jews. So they did as I did as the logical ways says the matter must be done. They quoted Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law. Because they knew that was the law that determines matters of the truth. By two or three witnesses.

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Reply #10 - Yesterday at 7:29am

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Starjade says:Now i have shown you that Biblical characters agree with me and not you.

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JrnymnX replies: That may be so, but I care as little about these 'fictional' characters agreeing with you as I do about fictional characters like Lady Penelope and Jeff Tracey agreeing with you.

Starjade says: The point I made was that I was using the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 correctly. Even others quoted the law the same way that I have done. And whats this Lady Penelope agrees with me as well. Hahaha well Thunderbirds are go. Maybe you should have called international rescue for their advice.

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Starjade says: You claimed the law of Deuteronomy is a negative law and yet I showed you that the law is posative all the way.

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JrnymnX replies: Your claims notwithstanding, the accepted interpretation is that the law (Dev. 19:15) is a negative law. "One witness shall not rise up..."

Starjade says: Explain how a law that determines a matter to be true or not could possibly be a negative law when its outcome is to determine matters of the truth. As the law established the truth then that can only be positive. And yet the religious ignorance or bitterness of one can easily make false accusations and so two or three witnesses are needed to establish the truth. One may have a view to make accusation but it would be just an opinion. When it is backed up by another�s view then there is a reason to do some diligent inquisition.

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Starjade says: How can you even think that something that can be used to prove something is negative.

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JrnymnX replies: That's just it - it can't.

Starjade says: I suggest you go back and re read the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse that exists now on the End of Times web site. I have gone into lengthy explanation just how the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 is a positive law.

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Starjade says: Well now i showed by examples that others also use that Jewish law in its proper context and how funny that I use the ikkle baby Jesus and other quotes as back up to my words being true.

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JrnymnX replies: Funny. More like preposterous.

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Starjade says: and i remind you that i can establish that Jesus is a fraud but nobody on this Planet can establish that accusation against me.

JrnymnX replies: No need to 'remind' me, its been pounded into my memory with a large hammer and blunt awl.

Starjade says: Ah well at least I am getting that message across to the congregations. That should make the religious congregations think. �for a change� In fact never in mankind�s history has the congregations had to think so hard their brains became taxed. Starjade is the only King of the Apocalyptic Castle and I am here backing my own mouth up.

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Starjade says: Just in case that nasty gremlin appears agin i shall be saving these words also and adding them to the End of Times web site.

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JrnymnX replies: Dang gremlins.

Starjade says: Yeah I suspect their religion is Jedi. They have been claiming they are the fastest growing religion on earth. Too bad they came online to destroy our conversations. They must be so pissed off that I had saved them to disc and now have them displayed on the End of Times web site. So nothing was lost.

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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 11:51pm

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Starjade says: It is only you looking for interpretations. I say it either is or it isn�t. The Romans invented the tale but they had to have the Jews help to pull the scam off. As the scam was being presented to the Jews then they had to be exacting and Deuteronomy law is exact. Even they knew of that law and how that law is used. You presumed too much and did not expect me to use New Testament writers and characters to back my mouth up.

JrnymnX replies: Of course I didn't expect you to use the New Testament to try and support your argument. I also don't expect you to use Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland to support your claims, even though they are, "curiouser and curiouser." It is generally accepted that if you are trying to prove your position, you don't use what you claim to be a work of fiction to do so.

Starjade says: Jesus is not a messenger from God he is just a character in a book. A book writ to convince the Jews of the tale as if it was fact and so they had to wrap that tale up using some facts and Deuteronomy law was one of them. It is clear the writers knew all about the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15. They display the use of that law just as I have done. So on that argument you truly bit the Dust.

JrnymnX replies: Oh, contraire. The writers of the New Testament knew of the book of Deuteronomy, true, but as they weren't Jews they didn't know the precise interpretation of the book or the many laws contained therein. They may have used Deut. 19:15 just as you have done, but they were, as you claim, trying to support a false prophet - they had to use it that way in order to support the false prophet. If they had used it the right way, it wouldn't have supported the false prophet, just as using it the right way doesn't support you. (JrnymnX:2 StarJade:0)

Starjade says: I have not shown any interpretation I showed you how the law is used and can be used to determine matters of crimes of iniquity and sin. Backed up by the Old and (cough) new Testament. Where they also used the same law the same way as I do. You just cannot accept that reality as it shattered your arguments and interpretations that you tried to pull to dust.

JrnymnX replies: Again I must refuse to accept your statement. All use of anothers words involve interpretation, so on that grounds alone your claim is lacking, you have shown interpretation. But more to the point, Deut 19:15 is not a law that determines matters of crimes of iniquity or sin. It is about witnesses and whether or not a legal proceeding can take place. "Shall the matter be established," isn't a statement about proof, its a statement about whether or not there are grounds for a trial.

JrnymnX wrote: The religious scholars I've quoted most certainly did not believe in Jesus.

Starjade said: Well as that debate was not discussed or investigated then you cannot be so sure. I have met some stupid Jews who did believe in Jesus. I have met many more who wisely did not.

JrnymnX replies: Yes I can be sure, and am.

Starjade says: The point is those so-called scholars you called into the debate are clearly uninformed and mistaken in their beliefs.

JrnymnX replies: They are not so-called, they are legitimate scholars. They (unlike you, I feel compelled to add) have spent their lives devoted to understanding the meaning and intent of what has been written in the 'Old Testament.'

Starjade quotes: John Chapter 8 verse 17

JrnymnX replies: �Curiouser and curiouser!� Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English). (A quote from Alice in Wonderland) The point is anyone can quote from a work of fiction, but it does little to further a debate.

Starjade says: It is clear that New Testament text is openly quoting the correct use of the law.

JrnymnX replies: What's this? Have you changed your mind and now believe in Jesus? No? Do you now believe that the New Testament is a true testament of a messenger from God? No? Then stop quoting from it or using it to support your claims

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Reply #12 - Yesterday at 11:52pm

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Starjade says: The point I made was that I was using the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 correctly. Even others quoted the law the same way that I have done.

JrnymnX replies: Well... you were using the law incorrectly, just as incorrectly as those writers of that work of fiction.

Starjasde says: Explain how a law that determines a matter to be true or not could possibly be a negative law when its outcome is to determine matters of the truth. As the law established the truth then that can only be positive. And yet the religious ignorance or bitterness of one can easily make false accusations and so two or three witnesses are needed to establish the truth. One may have a view to make accusation but it would be just an opinion. When it is backed up by another�s view then there is a reason to do some diligent inquisition.

JrnymnX replies: Let me spell it out for you. A written law cannot determine a matter of truth, that's a job for judges. They have to weigh the evidence, as only a living, breathing judge can do. A few words on a scrap of paper can't determine a matter of truth, they can only set out guidelines on how the judge should conduct the inquiry. Deuteronomy 19:15 is a law that instructs a judge not to convict a person on the testamony of only one witness. This is why it is a negative law, it tells a judge not to do something. As you said in your last sentence, it is only when it is backed up by another persons testimony that there is reason for diligent inquisition. It still remains for the judge to determine matters of truth.

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Reply #13 - Today at 7:42am

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JrnymnX replies: Of course I didn't expect you to use the New Testament to try and support your argument. I also don't expect you to use Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland to support your claims, even though they are, "curiouser and curiouser." It is generally accepted that if you are trying to prove your position, you don't use what you claim to be a work of fiction to do so.

Starjade says: I was making a point and that point is well seen. The Character Jesus is a fraud. Yet the Roman and the Jews who helped them did use Old Testament text. They as Jews knew their own laws and they quoted those laws correctly. The end point is that already millions of people Jews Muslims and Christians all know that the Testimonies of two or three witnesses can establish a matter is true.

That fact then brings us back to the claims of the much-loved Doomsday Prophet Starjade and how weird it was that I chose that law specifically to bring to the Jews to establish that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God which can be proven by more than three witnesses. You must at the least realise why I chose to use that law specifically. It was that law of Deuteronomy that caused me to realise there was a way I can prove I am a prophet with a provable connection to the living God and therefore the possibility to the Exodus became open and realised by me. Other factors however, then came into play.

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Starjade says: Jesus is not a messenger from God he is just a character in a book. A book writ to convince the Jews of the tale as if it was fact and so they had to wrap that tale up using some facts and Deuteronomy law was one of them. It is clear the writers knew all about the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15. They display the use of that law just as I have done. So on that argument you truly bit the Dust.

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JrnymnX replies: Oh, contraire. The writers of the New Testament knew of the book of Deuteronomy, true, but as they weren't Jews they didn't know the precise interpretation of the book or the many laws contained therein. They may have used Deut. 19:15 just as you have done, but they were, as you claim, trying to support a false prophet - they had to use it that way in order to support the false prophet. If they had used it the right way, it wouldn't have supported the false prophet, just as using it the right way doesn't support you. (JrnymnX:2 StarJade:0)

Starjade says: The Romans on their own were too religiously ignorant to create a scam to promote a fraud called Jesus as that Deuteronomy Prophet. They needed help from the Jews. Do not think the Jews must be saints for they forged a Golden Calf and gave worship to it. The Romans needed their help to promote the scam of Jesus and as the Jews were eager for the coming of that long awaited Prophet of whom many still had doubts about then they invented their own Prophet and called it Jesus. As a matter of fact curiously I am working on the Doomsday Prophecies book and I am up to and re writing the false Prophet Jesus. Its just as well you are in tune with my thinking.

Clearly as the Jews did help the Romans then they not only knew the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 but they displayed that law often in their New Testament text and those examples I have already shown you. The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 does not support any false Prophet if that false Prophet is under investigation. As I have also shown in my writings on that very matter. The way they used the law was most sneaky.

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Reply #14 - Today at 7:54am

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JrnymnX replies: Again I must refuse to accept your statement. All use of anothers words involve interpretation, so on that grounds alone your claim is lacking, you have shown interpretation. But more to the point, Deut 19:15 is not a law that determines matters of crimes of iniquity or sin. It is about witnesses and whether or not a legal proceeding can take place. "Shall the matter be established," isn't a statement about proof, its a statement about whether or not there are grounds for a trial.

Starjade says: All use of another�s words is quotation. Not interpretation. (cough) The religious law states in Deuteronomy Chapter 19 Verse 15: One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth:

Starjade doth hesitateth a moment to explain. Iniquity and sin is a crime and often a crime of blasphemy. The statements I make would only be considered to be blasphemous by the religiously ignorant congregations. So the law itself in its own quote states you are in error.

Starjade says: At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. The way that it is established is by diligent inquisition. So JrnymnX thou hast not been diligent.

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