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Re:
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Reply #65
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25. Nov
2006 at 05:00
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JrnymnX
you say: As I believe I noted, those quotes were translations from the
original Jewish text, which predates the KJV by over two millennia. 15
There it is in its original form.
Starjade says; As I see that you have forgotten let me remind you of
that argument you presented. Then if you dare to we can discuss this
matter further. After all you cannot dispute that I am that Deuteronomy
Prophet and I am prepared to back my mouth up on those issues using what
you accept as being genuine original Jewish text. After all they are
the people in question and it is their religion. I did reply to you an
answer but it appears you just discounted it without accepting the
obvious and final conclusions to the reality of that text.
Quote:
JrnymnX
you say: Quote: 15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet
from among your own people, like myself; him you shall heed.
Starjade says: Right then according to that statement the Jews have no
choice in the matter and if they ignore the word of God then they are
guilty of blasphemy and must be stoned to death in accordance with
Blasphemy laws.
It states openly and clearly ( from among your own people )
Starjade says: It does not say that Prophet will be a Jew in that
passage does it. Come on admit it for we can all see what it says just
as you can. I grew up in the Blackpool of Lancashire surrounded by
Jews and they are the brethren of all other Jews living or dead. So I
grew up among those people the Jewish people their own people. OK.
Simple isn�t it.
Quote:
JrnymnX
you said: This is a translation of a Jewish text into english. It is
clear that the prophet is to be from the Jewish people.
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18:15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from
among you � from your fellow Israelites; 23 you must listen to him.
Starjade says: It does not say that Prophet is to be from the Jewish
people only raised in the midst of those people. If I am among the Jews
who mostly all claim they are Israelites as in being his descendants,
then it is clear also that I grew up in the midst of the Israelites.
There are also Ishmaelites here in Blackpool by the way so I grew up in
the midst of the descendants of Abraham. They are all around me. They
are the fellow Israelites of all other Israelites living or dead. Now
that is a fact isn�t it. Think outside that box now instead of using
opinion. At no time does it say that specific Prophet would be a Jew
only that he would be raised up amongst them. Now that is a clearly
seen fact and denial is futile.
And if those Jews do not listen then they are standing against their own
religion and that is an act of Blasphemy isn�t that also a fact.
Blasphemy carries a death sentence a death by stoning. I can stone
every Jew on earth to their deaths and it is expected that I would obey
the will of the living God on that matter of the Jews Blasphemy.
Quote:
JrnymnX
you said: This is another translation of the same verse. Notice the
number 23? Its a reference to a translation note. JrnymnX you
said: The note is, Quote: 23 tc The MT expands here on the usual
formula by adding �from among you� (cf. Deut 17:15; 18:18; Smr; a number
of Greek texts).
Starjade says: (From among you) does not say will be one of you. Only
that he would be raised up among you of your brethren and all Jews are
brethren to each other for they are all descendants of Abraham. So then
using that quote does not help your argument any but still established
the things I have already said on that matter. I grew up among them.
Quote:
JrnymnX
you said: The expansion seems to be for the purpose of emphasis, i.e.,
the prophet to come must be not just from Israel but an Israelite by
blood.
Starjade says: Now come on sneaky JrnymnX you are not showing any
quotes of that saying that. You are just now voicing your own opinion.
Show the text, what are you afraid of? You said ( seems to be )
and I insist you do not speculate on this important matter. Either it
says something or it does not. We have no place for seems to be we want
actual quotes and if you are translating text from original Jewish
writings then you have that data before you and yet clearly are seen to
not present it word for word. Now be fair. Does it or doesn�t it and
we want a link now for that specific statement.
The living Gods word as given to Moses does not say from any Israelite
with Jewish blood. And at this Time remind yourself of the case
presented by Mad Muhammad in his claim to being that Prophet that this
Deuteronomy Prophet would be of the brethren of the Ishmaelites as they
are their brethren. They insist that is what is meant. But the living
God did not say that. Only the descendants of Ishmael and Israel are
making those egotistical claims. In the actual Passages regarding the
coming of that Prophet it at no times states that the Prophet that the
living God promised Moses he would raise up would be a Jew. We both
know that so face that fact and open your mind for you are speaking to
that very specific prophet.
Quote:
JrnymnX
you said: tn �from your brothers,� but not referring to actual
siblings. Cf. NAB �from among your own kinsmen�; NASB �from your
countrymen�; NRSV �from among your own people.� A similar phrase occurs
in v. 17.
Starjade says: quote: (from your brothers.) The Jews I grew up in
the midst of are the brothers of those Jews. quote: (�from among your
own kinsmen) Starjade says: The Jews I grew up in the midst of are the
kinsmen of all Jews living or dead including the Ishmaelites for they
are all descendants of Abraham. quote: (�from among your own people.)
Starjade says: The Jews I grew up in the midst of show I did grow up
among their people as I have explained word by word.
Starjade says: I grew up in the MIDST of the Jews who are the kinsmen
of all Jews living or dead. The Arabic Muslims claim that passage meant
the Ishmaelite. Yet it is clearly obvious that I grew up amongst the
descendants of Abraham amongst the tribes of Ishmael and Israel and
remind yourself that Abraham had more that two sons.
Genesis 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
Genesis 25:2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian,
and Ishbak, and Shuah.
Genesis 25:6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had,
Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet
lived, eastward, unto the east country.
Starjade concludes: No matter what any Jew or Jewish scholar or Jewish
leader claims they cannot escape that fact that at no Time does it say
that Prophet would be a Jew. It is just their EGO�s making them so
presumptuous. The Old Testament statement brought down by Moses does
not say that specific long awaited Prophet would be a Jew. I point out
however that Deuteronomy law Ch 19 v 15 is a law brought down by Moses
from the living God and is therefore the actual word of the living God
and that law can establish that I am that very specific Deuteronomy
Prophet and I have no problem at all defending my Crown.
Already those false Prophets and pretenders to my Thrown have been
established easily as being frauds and have already bitten the Dust. I
went after them and their congregations that follow those false Prophets
and they are powerless to defend their claims and always bite the Dust
when they try. So I have not been sitting idle but instead went forth
and destroyed the claims of the false pretenders to my Throne and to
this day they all still bite the Dust. For me that was all simple stuff
but then I am that genuine Deuteronomy Prophet as can be established by
Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 law.
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