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Reply #165 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:15

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JrnymnX you say: Confirmation comes in II Samuel [16] and in Isaiah,[17] which tell us that David's "house" will bring the Moshiach, and also in Ezekiel, which gives us the title of Moshiach, "David my Servant".

 
 
Starjade says:  (I do note that you have not provided Chapter and verse yet again.)  It is the Israelites belief that the Prophet the living God said he would raise up would be a Jew and it is claimed by Jews that he would be of the house of David.  Now show exact Chapter and verse where the Living God says that Prophet he promised Moses he would raise up would be a Jew and of the house of David.  Isn�t it a fact it is not the living God saying those things but those blasphemous Jews who have already built a golden calf for themselves and now instead of using gold they use bullshit.  Back the claim you make up and show us all exactly Chapter and verse where the living God said that Prophet he would raise up would be a Jew.  I say  that you cannot do that seeming simple task.  
 
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JrnymnX you say: [18] The deduction of the thoughtful, then, is that Rashi's interpretation of Deuteronomy 18:19 [14] is all the more frightening. According to Rashi, the text of this passage means
that unbelievers will be put to death.

 
 
Starjade says:  trust in me I have a knowledge of world wide earthquakes and those blasphemous congregations who ignore the word of the living God are most certainly going to be put to death.  Your problem with copy cut and pasting the interpretations off others from the Internet is that they are simply voicing a view they had.  They are not quoting from the actual words of the living God who at no Time ever said that Prophet he would raise up would be a Jew or from the house of David.  Those beliefs are suppositions from stupid people who do not read the word of the living God and then quote from the word of the living God.  They instead blabberwocky the words of some self opinionated Jew who is presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name.  And have you not notice that those Jews are still waiting for that Deuteronomy Prophet in their worshipping.  Clearly of course, I have arrived but not all Jews have been informed of that fact.  Yet look at them as they wait for that Prophet and even a fool will see that means that none in the past had been believed by the Jews to hold that claim.  
 
Starjade says:  I do laugh if they want to come online and argue these points with me.  For I do not just claim to be that very specific Prophet but I brought the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 to those Jews at their request to establish by the word of the living God by the Living Gods law of Deuteronomy as brought down by Moses himself.  Do note JrnymnX that I am not just making some claim nor am I interested at all in what any Jews think about such a claim for it is not their place to argue against the living God word statutes and laws.  Nobody was asking the blasphemous Jews for their opinions.  I wasn�t asking those stupid Jews if I am that specific Prophet but was telling them and establishing that to be a fact and by Deuteronomy law.
 
In reply to this debate instead of having facts presented, there is just this or that mans interpretations.  I suggest you stop listening to their blabberwocky and judge my claims by the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 itself for that is the word of the living God.  Now you do think the word of the living God holds more rank and authority than some blasphemous self opinionated interpreting Jew don�t you.  Then look at that law which is the Judge on the matter then look at the evidence I have that supports my Crown.  It is not the wise to get misled by some blabberwockying Jews after all on the internet all kinds of bullshit theories exist.  

 

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Reply #166 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:16

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JrnymnX you say: So it is no light thing to refuse to believe in the divine clues to the identity of the
Moshiach set forth in the Tanakh. That is why the following material should be read prayerfully, with careful study of each Biblical reference in the Tanakh (Torah, Prophets, and Writings
of the Hebrew Bible). Tanakh-refusers, take heed!

 
 
Starjade says:  Throughout the Old Testament there are Jews saying this and that.  But that does not make them automatically right and a Prophet is only accepted as being a Prophet if that Prophecy comes to pass and if it does not then that so called Prophet was speaking presumptuously.  Too many people accept so called prophecies as if they had come to pass yet that is not always the case.  There are too many Prophecies for any to bother to keep tabs and check.  If it was so straight forwards then why are those stupid Jews making interpretations and far reaching translations of things that are already simply said.  
 
The word of the living God has not changed and the living God did not say that Prophet he would raise up would be a Jew.  If you think, I am wrong then instead of copy cut and pasting Jewish blabberwocky show the evidence Chapter and verse where it says in the Old Testament that the Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up would be a Jew.  After all if the living God said that thing then it would be writ and known.  There would be no need of any Jews or others making far reaching translations.  The living God would have said and as the matter ends with Moses who prophesied the coming of that Prophet then Moses would have said.  
 
Yet neither, Moses or the Living God said that Prophet would be a Jew.  Why not try and show otherwise and show Chapter and verse of those statements as they are written in the Old Testament.  

 

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Reply #167 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:17

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JrnymnX you say: link Note that in this position it clearly says, and is backed up by the prophets, that, "David's 'house' will bring the Moshiach." David was a Jew. His house would be made up of his immediate family (Jews), or his descendants (all Jewish).

 
 
Starjade says:  Mm I copy cut and paste to word and no link is seen.  However, what someone else says who claim they are Gods Prophet is not what the living God has said and so that Prophet is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.  Why not instead show what the Living God said and not what some Jew claims.  As for those you call prophets don�t you think you should name them and quote them?  I also Judge those who claim they are Prophets from God and we all know how and yes it is by Deuteronomy law or by their Prophecy coming to pass.  
 
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JrnymnX you say: The other interpretation is that Devarim 18:15ff was intended to establish the Office of the Prophet. This interpretation, widely accepted, is seen below in several quotes I will post for your erudition.

 
 
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JrnymnX you say: Deuteronomy 18:15 The L--rd, your G--d, will raise up for you a prophet like me [Moses] from among you, of your brethren; to him you shall hearken....

 
 
Starjade says:  To any mind, Moses speaks to the Israelites and tells them about God's promise.  To paraphrase (Moses saying to the Israelites)  God told me that he would bring forth for you a prophet from your midst, like me. It would be sheer lunacy for anyone to argue and say that statement is intended to establish the office of a Prophet.  
 
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses speaks to the Israelites and quotes God's promise as it was told to him.  To paraphrase (Moses quoting what God said to him)  This is what God said to me: �I will bring forth a prophet for them from among them, like you.   So, in effect, the two verses convey the same message, the former being a paraphrase of God's promise and the latter being a quotation of God's promise. It would be sheer lunacy for anyone to argue and say that statement is intended to establish the office of a Prophet.  It is as it is spoken the Living God has promised to raise up a Prophet in the midst of the Jews.  
 
Deuteronomy 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
 
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
 
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

 

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Reply #168 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:17

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JrnymnX you say: The New Testament claims that Jesus was this prophet, fraudulently adding: Acts 3:23 And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people. Yet the verse under discussion refers not to any specific individual, but to future prophets in general.

 
 
Starjade says; actually what you should have done is what the Romans did when they fabricated that text.  They researched the matter of what must be done to false Prophets for it later says after the Prophesying of the coming of that specific Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.  Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.  
 
Hence, the statement is only a warning against false Prophecy and false Prophets that will come to pass.  The point is then the long awaited Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up would clearly be able to prove his Crown and power as a Prophet. (cough) erm I did mention the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 and those many witnesses that can establish that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and how I have already prophesied several earthquakes and a volcano erupting didn�t I?  So the Lord King and Doomsday Prophet Starjade is most wise to bring that specific Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law to the Jews and even more so for it is the actual word of the living God as brought down by Moses himself.  
 
(sigh)  I did tell you I am good at what I do and I know how things should be done.    

 

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Reply #169 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:18

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JrnymnX you say: In ancient Israel, a great many men and women strove to be worthy of Divine Inspiration, attending special schools run by acknowledged prophets. The Hebrew Bible calls these students "prophets" and "sons of the prophets":137

 
 
Starjade says;  Hahaha well they had no right.  Of course sons of Prophets can get a mention to distinguish who they are but a Prophet can only be a Prophet if he prophesises the future accurately and in front of more that two or three witnesses.  Isaiah walked around naked for many years looking for signs from God.  So it is questionable as to him being a Prophet from God if he does that sort of thing.  Clearly he wasn�t getting conversations from God was he?  He is a Prophet but many are Prophets even today but it is another matter for them to be able to prove that they are Gods Prophet and as far as I know I am the only Prophet from the Living God who can be established as being a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God by Deuteronomy law as brought down by Moses himself.  As Prophets go I am the Lord King of the castle.  
 
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JrnymnX you say: link and

 
 
Starjade says; Still the link does not show.  

 

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Reply #170 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:18

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JrnymnX you say: Quote: Deuteronomy 18:9-22 does not speak of any one prophet in particular who will emerge. As has been demonstrated, any claims that it points to Jesus are self-defeating and create additional problems for Christian theology.

 
 
Starjade says:  I can establish Jesus is a fraud easily and already two over 20 year�s Christian ordained ministers could not defend the claims of the character Jesus from my revelations.  Muslims could not defend Muhammad or the Koran either.  
 
You are mistaken Deuteronomy does speak of a singular Prophet who will be raised up in the midst of the Jews.  It states that fact in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 15;   A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  
 
Starjade says:  And it speaks of that Prophet in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 18;   A prophet I will set up for them from among their brothers like you; and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.
 
In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks to the Israelites and tells them about God's promise.  To paraphrase (Moses saying to the Israelites)  God told me that he would bring forth for you a prophet from your midst, like me.  
 
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses speaks to the Israelites and quotes God's promise as it was told to him.  To paraphrase (Moses quoting what God said to him)  This is what God said to me: �I will bring forth a prophet for them from among them, like you.  So, in effect, the two verses convey the same message, the former being a paraphrase of God's promise and the latter being a quotation of God's promise.  
 
Deuteronomy 15:  A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  
 
 Starjade explains;  Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15:  A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  (A Prophet) is singular meaning (A) Prophet as in one.  It is not a plural.  When the statement ends with the, (you shall listen to him) that (him) again is singular and is male hence a male Prophet, (hence King) as in the Lord King Starjade.  

 

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Reply #171 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:19

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JrnymnX you say: Rather, this passage contains a generic reference to the line of prophets of which Moses is the "progenitor", and it formally establishes the Office of the Prophet for Israel, the requisite tests for distinguishing between true and false prophets, and the penalty for false prophets.

 
 
Starjade says:  It does not say that at all, in fact the Deuteronomy text of Chapter 18 verse 15/18 are most specific in speaking of a special Prophet that the living God was going to raise up who would be the King of the Jews.  After Moses the Jews have been waiting ever since for that specific Prophet until of course the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade arrived and then that waiting was over.  
 
Starjade says:  The Jews already had rules about identifying false Prophets.  
 
Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.  
 
Deuteronomy 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?  
 
Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.  
 

 

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Reply #172 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:19

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JrnymnX you say: Just as the Davidic dynasty was established forever, regardless of whether the throne is occupied by a king at all times, so is the Office of the Prophet established for eternity, even at times in history when there are no prophets in Israel.

 
 
Starjade says; you are off your head JrnymnX.  The Jews have not had a Prophet from the living God in their midst for a very long Time.  They have been persecuted and butchered continuously for thousands of years.  Every 2000 years some evil gathers them up to slaughter them the last being Hitler and his nazi rene S.S. with the help from others all around the world.  No wonder they grew impatient and invented false Prophets for that comfort.  Alas, they were frauds. However, I am not and still you have not been able to establish otherwise.  There are no Kings in Israel as far as I know.  The real Throne of Israel is the living Gods Throne and that belongs to the Living Gods Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade.  The absolute King of the Jews and that long awaited prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up and it is just too bad for those Jews that I have other apocalyptic agendas.  
 
 
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JrnymnX you said; link and

 
 
Starjade says; still no link appears.  
 
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JrnymnX you said; The Office of the Prophet is thus conceived not so much as one who foretells the future, but, in spiritual succession to Moses, as the teacher and religious guide of his age. The gift of predicting the future, where this serves a moral purpose, is bestowed on him as well.

 
 
Starjade says:  Whiles we note your opinion you are mistaken.  Your opinion is not based on facts or the living Gods word on that matter.  Deuteronomy does speak of a singular Prophet who will be raised up in the midst of the Jews.  It states that fact in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 15;   A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  
 
Starjade says:  And it speaks of that Prophet in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 18;   A prophet I will set up for them from among their brothers like you; and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.
 
That Prophet will be a Prophet and the living God says so.  That specific Deuteronomy Prophet is the living Gods Prophet and I am a teacher and a religious guide and my power of Prophecy is outstanding and astonishing compared to any other so called Prophet who has ever lived.  And I have foretold of a single apocalyptic day that will cause world wide mass Extinction to this Planets populations.  

 

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Reply #173 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:20

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JrnymnX you said; link and

 
 
Starjade says:  Still no links but its Ok as they were not sound anyway.  
 
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JrnymnX you said; Finally, the Jewish interpretation of this verse has always been that G-d would raise other prophets to speak for Him. He did that, their words are in the Tanach.

 
 
Starjade says:  Those Jews seem very busy making up excuses after thousands of years waiting for that Prophet that seemed to never be coming.  Again you are mistaken.  Quote;  Deuteronomy 15:  A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him. Starjade explains;  Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15:  A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  (A Prophet) is singular meaning (A) Prophet as in one.  It is not a plural.  When the statement ends with the, (you shall listen to him) that (him) again is singular and is male hence a male Prophet, (hence King) as in the Lord King Starjade.  So the living God speaks of just one Prophet.  
 
 
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Starjade says:  Still no links but its Ok as they were not sound anyway.  

 

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Reply #174 - 05. Dec 2006 at 07:21

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JrnymnX you said; So which of these two interpretations do you choose? That there is no one specific prophet, or that there is one specific prophet, who as the prophets foretell is a descendant of King David? These are the only choices you have, as they are the only interpretations allowed by the context of Devarim 18:15.

 
 
Starjade says:  Neither of your views are true and they are the blabberwocky from others on the Internet putting forwards what is clearly seen to be a shallow thinking view.  Those Jews seem very busy making up excuses after thousands of years waiting for that Prophet that seemed to never be coming.  What shallow excuses they come up with to try and explain things away.  They always were an impatient people.  There is no interpretation in the word of the living God.  The word of the living God is precise.    
 
In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks to the Israelites and tells them about God's promise.  To paraphrase (Moses saying to the Israelites)  God told me that he would bring forth for you a prophet from your midst, like me. In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses speaks to the Israelites and quotes God's promise as it was told to him.  To paraphrase (Moses quoting what God said to him)  This is what God said to me: �I will bring forth a prophet for them from among them, like you.  So, in effect, the two verses convey the same message, the former being a paraphrase of God's promise and the latter being a quotation of God's promise.  
 
Starjade concludes:  At no Time does the living God say that Prophet would be a Jew or from the house of David.  At no Time does the living God say that.  We have those verses of what Moses said the living God said and they do not say what you presumptuously claim.  Instead of listening to the blabberwocky of stupid Jews on the Internet and all of their blabbery why do you not simply show where the living God has said that Prophet would be a Jew of any house of any Jew.  The facts are that the Living God does not say that and nor does Moses.  It is only you and others who claim that with nothing to back that claim up with.  I can show you claims from Muslims making their bid for that Throne and they think just as shallow and in the belief Muhammad was that Prophet foretold to be coming by Moses in the claim that the mention of thy brethren meant the Ishmaelites.  
 
Yet both the Ishmaelites and Israelites are mistaken for at no Time does the living God say that the Prophet he would raise up would be a Jew.  Just how stupid do you think we all are for we have the word of the living God brought down by Moses in Deuteronomy Chapters 18 verses 15/18 text right there in the Old Testament and it just says that Prophet will be raised up in the midst of those Jews.  Anyone else�s translations or opinions pale into insignificance against the actual word of the living God and they are being presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name.  
 
I conclude by saying that already it is established by Deuteronomy law Chapter 19 verse 15 and by my own acts and deeds that I am the only Prophet from the living God who could be that specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 15/18 Prophet and that matter of my being that specific Prophet is already established by Deuteronomy law and was established way back in 1995 when I approached the Jews with details of an apocalypse with a view to an Exodus of all Jews from the four corners of the globe.  Whiles bringing Deuteronomy law Chapter 19 verse 15 to the Jews attention by their request as evidence and proof of my being that specific Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up.   To be Judged, by those Jews and diligently examined before the lord thy God, before the priests and the judges who live in these Times.  
 
It will be noticed I have been fulfilling the living Gods promise and Prophecy and Covenant exactly as was prophesied that specific long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet would.  That is what I have been doing and was doing when I first brought that law to the Jews via the International Order of Kabbalists and other Jews.  And, at that Time, all those many Prophesied signs in the heavens occurred in conjunction with each other.  
 
So then JrnymnX say after me; Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb and you and whosoever you copied that blabberwocky from off the internet have bitten the Dust.  Moses would be proud of me; i know the living God is.    

 

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Reply #175 - 05. Dec 2006 at 08:12

I finally got a look-see at those links hidden beneath the word.  So whiles I am speaking for myself and the Living God and the whole Jewish Nation world wide you are simply replying with statements others made whiles trying to find excuses to give for those who question wherefore is thou Prophet.  
 
   Well now after all this Time you can all say after me he is there the Lord King Starjade.    
 
There are many factions amongst the Christians Muslims and Jews.  All believing this or maybe that and this shows that they are lost for what was writ in the beginning is what was writ and had they not insulted those writings by re writing in their own interpretations then they would all be on the same path with the same belief and the same Text.  
 
Its OK though JrnymnX I did not mind for I did say go get some help for now you are facing the Doomsday prophet Starjade and all who come up against me are going to bite the Dust.  It is inevitable.  There are Messianic Jews and then there are not.  I cannot understand their foolishness when the Old Testament prophecy speaks of another Prophet King that Moses himself said the living God would raise up.  Hence there can be no doubt and that is why those Jews who wait for that King were being faithful.  
 
Then impatience sets in and as per usual those golden calf worshipping Jews become unsettled and moany and want explanations and so the Jackasses come out of the wood work offering explanations that they have considered with their opinions and suddenly interpretations become an accepted thing and bullshit reigns.  
 
The Living God brought statutes and laws to their congregations. So if the law says this and that then those laws bind the Jews and it is their place to obey the laws conclusion. It is not open to interpretations.  
 
You cannot count on one hand the varying sects within the Christians who have varying beliefs and varying text.  In Islam they say it is all one Koran yet many different worded Korans exist with Muslims believing different things.  This gave rise to the partite of Sunny Muslims and Shia Muslims who both refuse to give up their Korans which are not worded the same but contain varied beliefs.  The Jews are as bad.  Many Jews believing many varied things.  The International Order of Kabbalists are Jews and yet they also differ from the orthodox Jews.  The Arabs are also Jews and yet they also differ in religious beliefs.  
 
Now I say forget them and their beliefs.  Pick up the Old Testament and read things for yourself.  Being aware that there are many varied texts also and this means you must then check the authenticity of the Church that writes that Old Testament in case they are intent to deceive.  
 
It is a certain fact that my words are established as being true and I do not interpret already written text but speak of what that Old Testament text says word for word on the assumptions only that many of you also know those words.  
 
Do not rely on varied Jews Muslims and Christians for they will voice only their personal beliefs.  Instead read the Old Testament and see what that says and then you will know as much or even more than  them.  
 

 

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Reply #176 - 05. Dec 2006 at 22:10

StarJade,
 
I'm going to be off for a few days.  Please don't consider my silence as me voluntarily biting the dust.  

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Reply #177 - 07. Dec 2006 at 07:03

We all know you have bitten the Dust anyways;  D  I showed you how Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 is a positive law that does establish I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God and we all know there is only one specific Prophet who the Jews had been waiting for to gather them up from the four corners of the globe.  So the outcome is inevitable upon that diligent inquisition.  Of course, you did not come online and say yes now I see and that you had been presumptuous about that specific law.  
 
Anyone can type Messianic Jews into their search engine and read from the many Jews who are waiting for that specific Deuteronomy Prophet to gather them up from the four corners of the globe and yet you only spoke of one Jew who tried to make excuses as to why it appeared that Prophet had not come after all those thousands of years.  
 
All the Time I have backed up my mouth and established that my word is true.  Clearly JrnymnX things are not as simple for you to establish or deny as it once appeared.  Anyways think of the things said for something most strange walks the face of this earth.    

 

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Reply #178 - 07. Dec 2006 at 07:04

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 JrnymnX you say: The preponderance of evidence is against you.

 
 
Starjade says;  Scuse me whiles I wipe the nose goo off the computer screen for you have made me laugh so much my inward parts are splattering out.  All the evidence presented by me is backed up by Deuteronomy law and Old Testament text.  The evidence established my statements as being true.  Clearly, you do not know what you are talking about and your opinions show you are being presumptuous.  
 
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 JrnymnX you say: I have shown you the accepted positions of the Jews on the two matters at the heart of this discussion, Devarim 18:15, and 19:15.  

 
 
Starjade says:  No what you have done is copy cut and pasted some opinions from just a Jew off the Internet and that Jew does not speak for the entire Jewish nation and many Jews believe varying things as I have pointed out.  The thinking of that Jew is not sound and you did mention Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 15 but not in the context of the statement that Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 15 says; in fact you then spoke of things that the verse does not even say.  As for Deuteronomy law Chapter 19 verse 15 you believed it would not be possible for that law to establish that I was a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God.  In fact you spoke as if that law could prove nothing.  On all accounts you have been wrong and I have since educated you on the proper use of the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 and explained how that positive law can establish I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God.   It is a fact that law deals with all crimes of iniquity or sin and how to determine matters of the truth and so it can establish matters of the truth so your argument was lost when you first began to argue that it could prove nothing.  
 
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 JrnymnX you say:I have shown you how these accepted positions do not support your claim.  I have even cited a few sources.  

 
 
Starjade says:  I could show you places on the Internet where people say Elvis is alive and little green aliens are visiting the planet earth.  What you have not done is establish those sources have any authority to speak their opinions as if facts on behalf of the whole Jewish nation.  In fact those views you do mention are from small groups of people searching for excuses as to why that Prophet had not appeared over the thousands of years.  It must be a shock to their system now that I have finally arrived.  And Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 which is the actual word of the living God plus Old Testament text supports my statements which are more than claims but actual facts.  Again you are being presumptuous.  Now you are starting to grasp that things are not as easy to establish from your opinions than you had at first believed.  You were warned that Starjade is phenomenal.  Did you really think matters would be that easy.  
 
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 JrnymnX you say: Even the Christians and the Muslims have worked within the framework of the Jewish understanding of their prophesies, but you do not.

 
 
Starjade says; well now Christians and Muslims all began their blabberwocky of lies beginning with an imaginary angel called Gabriel that had originated from a dream Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and even Daniel described Gabriel as being nothing more than a man.  So they all began their blabberwocky of lies beyond the understanding of the Old Testament Jews and also beyond the laws of the Jews or do you forget that Jesus and Muhammad have no witnesses for their far reaching claims and so according to Deuteronomy law Chapter 19 verse 15 they are both guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin.  Still your opinions are in error and you are still being presumptuous.  
 
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 JrnymnX you say: Can you give reference to any interpretation, besides your own, that supports your claim?

 
 
Starjade says; I was not giving any interpretations for the word of the Living God is not open to interpretations.  I quoted facts and from Old Testament text, backed up by Deuteronomy law and so try and understand that at no Time was I voicing any opinion.  

 

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Re: The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.  

 

Reply #179 - 07. Dec 2006 at 07:04

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JrnymnX you say: A rabbi might interrupt right here and say, "Wait! This reference to a Moses-like prophet who is to come is not necessarily referring to the Moshiach!" Again, let the Jewish Bible interpret itself:

 
 
Starjade says: Starjade explains; it is presumptuous to assume some rabbi might say this or that.  It is better to quote what a Rabbi does actually say and remind yourself also that Rabbi�s do have some of their own points of view, which may not reflect on what Old Testament text has been actually saying.  
 
Had those Rabbi�s been so hot on their religious knowledge then explain why they could not establish Jesus and Muhammad were both frauds using Deuteronomy law Chapter 19 verse 15 where it is most clear and obvious that Jesus and Muhammad have no witnesses to back up their claims which fell down anyways by their introduction of a fabricated Angel Gabriel and words stolen from Old Testament text to create a fabricated new Testament and the Koran used to promote Jesus and Muhammad as being that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.   How come the Rabbi�s did not point out how Jesus and Muhammad were guilty of crimes of iniquity and sin according to the word of God and established by Deuteronomy law.  
 
The Living God only promised to raise up just one specific chosen Prophet.  Not two as appears with the claims of Jesus and Muhammad who both claim they are that specific Deuteronomy Chapters 18 verses 15/18 Prophesied Prophet.  So how come those Rabbi�s did not notice those errors in their claims which are open and easily spotted and have already been mention by me.    
 
It is clear the Prophecy is about the coming of just one specific Prophet, The long awaited Prophet that is the Messiah and King of the Jews who was to rule over them just as Moses once did.  Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15:  A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the L-rd your G-d will set up for you; you shall listen to him.  (A Prophet) is singular meaning (A) Prophet as in one.  It is not a plural.  When the statement ends with the, (you shall listen to him) that (him) again is singular and is male hence a male Prophet, (hence King) as in the Lord King Starjade.    
 
In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks to the Israelites and tells them about God's promise.  To paraphrase (Moses saying to the Israelites)  God told me that he would bring forth for you a prophet from your midst, like me.  
   
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses speaks to the Israelites and quotes God's promise as it was told to him.  To paraphrase (Moses quoting what God said to him)  This is what God said to me: �I will bring forth a prophet for them from among them, like you.  
   
So, in effect, the two verses convey the same message, the former being a paraphrase of God's promise and the latter being a quotation of God's promise.  There has been no other like Moses until I arrived.  That is why the Jews have been waiting.  
 
How come those non existent Rabbi�s you speak of in a might claim of what they might say or even the actual existing rabbi�s,  did nothing to point out the errors in the claims of Muhammad and Jesus.  Considering that they were being attacked and killed by the followers of those false Prophets it would be a relevant point.  I do consider that to be an under sight and a clear indication of the religious ignorance and complacency of Jewish Rabbi�s.  Go find those self opinionated Rabbi�s and bring them online then we can hear what they have to say rather than you showing links to people who are voicing their views as if that is what some Rabbi might say.  
 
We prefer to deal with facts on the mad philosopher�s forum rather than listen to some speculations of what some say this or that might say.  How can we establish any credibility of the truth if all that is spoken is one man saying oh well this or that Rabbi might say this or that and then for that person to voice his opinions as if the Rabbi was speaking his opinions for him.  Just what the frell is that about?  

 

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