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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: Membership
meeting
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The membership meeting will be on Saturday. What will
happen if all the
ballots are not returned by that date? Will they still be counted if they
come in after? What about the easement vote?
Thanks,
Neil Darling
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From: <SRMgmtService@a...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:32am
Subject: Re:
Membership meeting
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In the notice I sent. I said that mailed in ballots had
to be at my PO by the
20th.
I am truly hoping that we will have more than the minimum percentage
voting
no so there will be no question. |
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From: <Hang0En0Hi@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:40pm
Subject: Board
of Directors
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Dear Board of Directors:
Recently, I received a notice in the mail indicating our dues are being
raised to $550.00. I too didn't like the idea of paying $550. But as a
pass
President I knew the reality of what it cost to run a board and the
increase
had to come. As a pass President I also realize how much money it really
takes to fix roads. Until this community can come together and come up
with
a road plan that we can build on from year to year our road money will
just
be thrown down the drain. I know some homeowners want to fix only what is
in
the front of their lots, and some want to start in the back and some in
the
front and we even had gravel roads suggested and then there are those who
just want to suite the association. Where does that get you? It makes
Kings
Grant poor and the attorneys RICH. So lets put our heads together and work
with this board to come up with a plan that can work.
We need to give this new board a change to show us what they can do for
the
community. We need to unite as a community and to not bare arms. I am
willing to give them a change and I hope you as a community will give them
a
change to prove themselves.
Sincerely,
Kim Woolner, Lot 24
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 0:30pm
Subject: Re:
Board of Directors
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Kim, This is the first time in the 13 years we have lived
in Kings Grant
that Kent and I fully support the Board of Directors. They are
attempting to run the KGHOA in a businesslike, professional manner and to
spend this yr. setting things in place so that we can continue to build
on that foundation. To us, this is far more important than any other
issue in Kings Grant, including the roads. Kent and I have already paid
our dues in full without complaint. Cecelia Barton
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:02am
Subject: Reminder
- Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
Date: Saturday, August 25, 2001
Time: 10:00AM - 12:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
Sue:
Please send via US mail and email a written notification to the
BOD for a special meeting of the KGHOA BOD to be held on 8/25/01
at 10:00am. In addition, if you have received a written request
from any members for the same such notification please also
include them in the mailing. Please also arrange / ensure that
notice is placed at the Barn bulletin board and on the web site
after the notifications go out. This meeting was called by Neil
Darling and Marcus Thomas and the purpose is to continue
planning begun at the July meeting.
Ask that agenda suggestions be submitted to me at by 8/18/01 (at
the latest) and let them know that the agenda packets will be
distributed as early as possible. Also, we will try to run the
meeting according to the same procedure established in the July
meeting and therefore, motions will be limited to agenda items
and should be sent in advance so that the necessary research can
be completed and included in the agenda packets.
Thanks Sue,
Sincerely,
Neil Darling
President, KGHOA |
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Reminder
- Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001
Time: 7:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
ALL:
SORRY ABOUT THIS CONFUSION WITH MY INABILITY TO SET A DATE! WE
HAVE SET THE DATE FOR 8/31 (FRIDAY) 7:00PM.
Please send via US mail and email a written notification to the
BOD for a special meeting of the KGHOA BOD to be held on 8/31/01
at 7:00 PM. In addition, if you have received a written request
from any members for the same such notification please also
include them in the mailing. Please also arrange / ensure that
notice is placed at the Barn bulletin board and on the web site
after the notifications go out. This meeting was called by Neil
Darling and Marcus Thomas and the purpose is to continue
planning begun at the July meeting.
Ask that agenda suggestions be submitted to me at by 8/24/01 (at
the latest) and let them know that the agenda packets will be
distributed as early as possible. Also, we will try to run the
meeting according to the same procedure established in the July
meeting and therefore, motions will be limited to agenda items
and should be sent in advance so that the necessary research can
be completed and included in the agenda packets.
Thanks ALL,
Sincerely,
Neil Darling
President, KGHOA |
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Reminder
- Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
Special Meeting KGHOA BOD
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001
Time: 7:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
ALL:
SORRY ABOUT THIS CONFUSION WITH MY INABILITY TO SET A DATE! WE
HAVE SET THE DATE FOR 8/31 (FRIDAY) 7:00PM.
Please send via US mail and email a written notification to the
BOD for a special meeting of the KGHOA BOD to be held on 8/31/01
at 7:00 PM. In addition, if you have received a written request
from any members for the same such notification please also
include them in the mailing. Please also arrange / ensure that
notice is placed at the Barn bulletin board and on the web site
after the notifications go out. This meeting was called by Neil
Darling and Marcus Thomas and the purpose is to continue
planning begun at the July meeting.
Ask that agenda suggestions be submitted to me at by 8/24/01 (at
the latest) and let them know that the agenda packets will be
distributed as early as possible. Also, we will try to run the
meeting according to the same procedure established in the July
meeting and therefore, motions will be limited to agenda items
and should be sent in advance so that the necessary research can
be completed and included in the agenda packets.
Thanks ALL,
Sincerely,
Neil Darling
President, KGHOA |
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From: <Hang0En0Hi@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 9:56am
Subject: By
Laws
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Marcus : I wasn't quite sure what you were referring to
whet you talked of
Rules of the association please give me more info. on where you want us to
go
with this. Also I have review the by-laws and the follow are some of my
concerns and suggestions.
Article III : I feel this should be eliminated since we don't have a
declarant any more. We need to define what is a member This came up when I
was president. Is it a lot owner with their name on the deed? Is it who
they
live with. We just need to define a member. Also should we define those
who
rent a house and their part they can play in the association. Such as can
they attend meeting? etc.
Notice of Meetings: does our rule of 10 day written notice for annual
meeting
have any conflict with state rules?
Quorum: I don't understand this if we need a quorum to start a meeting how
can we state that if we don't have a quorum we can adjourn from time to
time.
This is confusing to me. Do you understand what this is saying? Also when
we have a quorum you need to maintain that quorum in order to hold a vote?
Article V Board Members- Define Number of directors. I feel we need at
least
5 members I don't agree less is better.
Regular meeting: I am talking about the part where they say the new board
should meet after the annual meeting and hold one that day. This doesn't
happen should we state the new board will meet with in a week of the
election.
Special Meetings: Do State rules change our rules for special meeting if
so
we should change them to meet state rules.
Elections: need to address procedures for nominations and seconding. In
the
past this has not been followed. (2) If nominations do not exceed the
number
of board members can someone volunteer to run on the board without
actually
being nominated?(3) Do we except write in. In my opinion I say we should
eliminate this. (4) Can only members count the ballots and do they need to
be in good standings? (5) do we need to sign the ballots. I feel this
should not apply only a lot number is necessary on the outside of the
ballot
to insure one vote per lot unless you have two lots.
Article IV - terms: need to define how BOD can remove a board member. Also
how can the membership remove a BOD .
OK that's it for now, I will continue looking at the by laws and make my
suggestions.
Also do you have a finish draft of the rules enforcement I would like to
look
at a finish products. Marcus should I be e-mailing Van and Cecelia on my
thoughts? If so please let me know or do I just e-mail you?
KIM Woolner
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: RE:
By Laws
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Kim,
Regarding your comments:
Kim: Article III : I feel this should be eliminated since we don't have a
declarant any more. We need to define what is a member This came up when I
was president. Is it a lot owner with their name on the deed? Is it who
they
live with. We just need to define a member. Also should we define those
who
rent a house and their part they can play in the association. Such as can
they attend meeting? etc.
Marcus: I agree. This should be rewritten to state the definition of a
member under Virginia Law.
Kim: Notice of Meetings: does our rule of 10 day written notice for annual
meeting
have any conflict with state rules?
Marcus: This is somewhat confusing. State law requires between 10 and 60
days, unless substantially all of the corporation or its assets are being
sold, then it is 25 to 60 days.
Kim: Quorum: I don't understand this if we need a quorum to start a
meeting
how
can we state that if we don't have a quorum we can adjourn from time to
time.
This is confusing to me. Do you understand what this is saying? Also when
we have a quorum you need to maintain that quorum in order to hold a vote?
Marcus: This is O.K. as is. The only action that can be carried out at a
meeting without a quorum is to adjourn from time to time. That is, we can
adjourn and later reconvene without renotification, if we announce the new
meeting date/time before adjournment.
Kim: Article V Board Members- Define Number of directors. I feel we need
at
least
5 members I don't agree less is better.
Marcus: Why?
Kim: Regular meeting: I am talking about the part where they say the new
board
should meet after the annual meeting and hold one that day. This doesn't
happen should we state the new board will meet with in a week of the
election.
Marcus: No, I don't think so. I think that if there is no quorum present,
as
it was this year, we should announce, publicly the next meeting, and
adjourn. See above.
Kim: Special Meetings: Do State rules change our rules for special meeting
if so
we should change them to meet state rules.
Marcus: I am not sure. I will look into it.
Kim: Elections: need to address procedures for nominations and seconding.
In the
past this has not been followed. (2) If nominations do not exceed the
number
of board members can someone volunteer to run on the board without
actually
being nominated?(3) Do we except write in. In my opinion I say we should
eliminate this. (4) Can only members count the ballots and do they need to
be in good standings? (5) do we need to sign the ballots. I feel this
should not apply only a lot number is necessary on the outside of the
ballot
to insure one vote per lot unless you have two lots.
Marcus: Good thoughts. I will try to work them into a draft. Except for
signing the ballots. I believe that this is required for state law.
Kim: Article IV - terms: need to define how BOD can remove a board member.
Also
how can the membership remove a BOD .
Marcus: Good question. Needs more research.
Kim: OK that's it for now, I will continue looking at the by laws and make
my
suggestions.
Kim: Also do you have a finish draft of the rules enforcement I would like
to look
at a finish products. Marcus should I be e-mailing Van and Cecelia on my
thoughts? If so please let me know or do I just e-mail you?
Marcus: I would suggest that you include them on the To: line and let's
get
a good old fashion conversation going. Your thoughts might trigger some
for
them.
Marcus |
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:33am
Subject: Board
meeting - 8/31/2001 7:00pm - Barn
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Dear Mr. an Mrs. Perroy:
We have elected to schedule the meeting for Friday, August 31st at 7:00pm.
The meeting will be held at the Barn.
I have been trying to find a time that is most convenient for the new
Board
and have moved the meeting to this date.
If you have any questions, please feel free to either contact Sue Rowdon
or
myself.
Sincerely,
Neil D. Darling
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 0:33pm
Subject: Committee
outline (DRAFT)
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All:
I wanted to provide some guidance as to the description / role /
responsibility / tasks of each of the committees. Please provide comments
ASAP as this will be an agenda item to approve the committee's at the next
meeting (8/31).
Easement and Common Property Maint:
This committee is established to determine the scope of maintenance
related
tasks for the trails, entrances, and Lot 13 (aka "the Barn").
This
committee will determine what maintenance tasks need to be done, at what
interval. They will then advertise on the community web site with a
request
for proposals from the community members (Community RFP). If no member can
be found either to volunteer or submit an acceptable bid - the committee
will then identify contractors to accomplish the tasks, evaluate their
qualifications, references and propose to the BOD a contract award to a
particular vendor based on their research and recommendation.
Road Maintenance
This committee is established to determine an appropriate scope for two
significant Road projects. One project will involve the complete
remediation of a section of Road (to be determined fairly) that is a major
road within the KG development. Roads that are considered major may
include
King Alfred, Queen Anne, Old Cropps Mill, Hazel. The other major project
will involve the remediation of one minor road, or side street, (selected
fairly) that will be tar and chipped. They will also contribute to the
Capital planning committee any major improvements to include things such
as
guard rails, culvert replacement, new signage, etc.
Capital Planning
This committee is established to determine the life of all association
assets and to determine a savings plan based on the need for eventual
replacement of those assets. Assets include all buildings, land, fencing
and easements. They will also be the primary research group for long term
financial impact of Capital planning decisions made by the BOD. They will
also determine a way to maintain the integrity of a strategic Capital
savings plan over several years and several BOD's.
Member Communications
This committee will maintain the established and evolving communications
means, methods and media used to maintain communication with the
membership.
They will seek to increase interest and involvement of the community
through constantly improving communication between the members and the
BOAD.
The scope the means, method and media now includes the KGHOA newsletter,
the KGHOA web site and the Yahoo Groups forum.
Community Safety
This committee will maintain awareness within the community for such
things
as neighborhood watch, will serve as a point of contact for law
enforcement
agencies relating to such programs. The members will also be asked to
recommend rule enforcement approaches to the BOD as it may be related to
the
safety concerns of the community (e.g. speed enforcement).
Rules
This committee has been established to research and recommend to the BOD
the
adoption of Rules that will contribute to the maintenance of the
stability,
viability and value of the community as a whole. They will also seek to
advise the Board on revisions to the governing documents and also
establish
a process for collections, rule enforcement, adjudication and exceptions.
Finally, the committee will be a resource for the membership on how to
initiate change effectively to the governing documents.
Architectural Review
This committee, specifically chartered by the governing documents will
have
sole discretion to recommend rules relating to maintaining the
Architectural
/ Aesthetic integrity of the neighborhood.
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 0:55pm
Subject: Re:
Committee outline (DRAFT)
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Neil, Good job! These committee descriptions are clear
and concise. One
small suggestion only. In communicating to the membership you might
think about clearly defining a "standing committee". I wasn't
entirely
clear on that until you defined it for me. Keep up the good work!
Cecelia
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:48pm
Subject: RE:
Committee outline (DRAFT)
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Neil, I suggest the Rules Committee Charter Mission
Statement as below:
Rules
The Rules Committee will make recommendations to the Board of Directors
and
the Membership
concerning the establishment, adoption and enforcement of fair and
reasonable rules and regulations
with respect to use of the common areas, collection of dues, fines, and
fees
and with respect to such
other areas of responsibility assigned to the association by the
declaration
or by state law.
I would suggest that the Architectural Review Committee develop
recommendations for Architectural
Standards, and work with the Rules Committee to establish recommendations
for Rules for
Architectural Review.
marcus thomas |
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From: Neil Darling <neildarling@n...>
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 9:06pm
Subject: RE:
Committee outline (DRAFT)
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Marcus:
I like what I have for Architectural Review, but like what you have for
Rules. I suggest we post my list, plus your update for Rules, and
incorporate Alan's changes. Then when the Chair's get ramped up, they can
tweak the descriptions based on how the committees see themselves adding
the
most value.
What do you think?
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Thomas [mailto:mctlrt@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [KingsGrantHOA] Committee outline (DRAFT)
Neil, I suggest the Rules Committee Charter Mission Statement as below:
Rules
The Rules Committee will make recommendations to the Board of Directors
and
the Membership
concerning the establishment, adoption and enforcement of fair and
reasonable rules and regulations
with respect to use of the common areas, collection of dues, fines, and
fees
and with respect to such
other areas of responsibility assigned to the association by the
declaration
or by state law.
I would suggest that the Architectural Review Committee develop
recommendations for Architectural
Standards, and work with the Rules Committee to establish recommendations
for Rules for
Architectural Review.
marcus thomas
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:02pm
Subject: Re:
Committee outline (DRAFT)
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Comments: I approve.
Suggestions: Although you mentioned fair and reasonable, you didn't
mention clear. More than legalese, we need rules
that people can understand.
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:45pm
Subject: RE:
Committee outline (DRAFT)
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Agreed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cecelia Q. Barton [mailto:cqbarton@j...]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [KingsGrantHOA] Committee outline (DRAFT)
Comments: I approve.
Suggestions: Although you mentioned fair and reasonable, you didn't
mention clear. More than legalese, we need rules
that people can understand.
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 4:06pm
Subject: New
poll for KingsGrantHOA
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for
the
KingsGrantHOA group:
What color should we paint the Barn?
o Same
o Red w/white trim
o White w/red trim
o Brown w/white trim
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingsGrantHOA/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks! |
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:02pm
Subject: By-Laws
Posted
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For those of you interested in the nitty-gritty of the
governing
documents, the By-Laws of our Association (with one minor document
missing as yet.) are posted at the HOA website:
http://www.geocities.com/kingsgrantonline.
Go there and click on
Governing Documents then By-laws of the Association.
Marcus Thomas |
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 0:07am
Subject: Re:
Easements & Common Property Maintenance
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Van / Deborah:
I appreciate your input regarding an approach for the easements. It is our
intention through the establishment of the Easement and Common Property
Maintenance committee to broaden the discussion on what direction we
should
take with regard to this unique asset of our community.
As their first order of business for the new committee, I will ask that
they
develop some recommendations for this issue to be presented to the Board
and
subsequently to the members at the October membership meeting.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. I appreciate your
interest and involvement in our community.
Sincerely,
Neil Darling
President, KGHOA
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:33am
Subject: Need
a favor?
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Alan:
Would you mind contacting all of the Board members and the Committee
chairs
by telephone to ensure they are planning to attend Friday's meeting? Also,
could you contact George Wilson and ask him to attend. He had expressed an
interest in the Easement and Common property maintenance committee.
I know some people have told me they are having some problems with email.
I would do it, but I am out of town until Friday.
Thanks,
Neil Darling
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Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 10:59am
Subject: A
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From: <SRMgmtService@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 10:03am
Subject: Re:
A book on making rules in hoa's
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I have the book "Drafting Association Rules" by
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topics. I am happy to loan it out if any one is interested.
Sue Rowdon |
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:05pm
Subject: Re:
A book on making rules in hoa's
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| |
Neil, Thanks for the bibliography! I plan to begin
reading as soon as I
can get my hands on the first copy and proceed right through all of them.
Cecelia
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:08pm
Subject: Re:
A book on making rules in hoa's
|
| |
Sue, I would love to borrow your copy of "Drafting
Association Rules"!
|
| 28 |
From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: RE:
A book on making rules in hoa's
|
| |
I am interested too Sue.
Marcus
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:48am
Subject: Re:
A book on making rules in hoa's
|
| |
Sue, Since Marcus would also like to borrow your copy of
"Drafting
Association Rules", by all means lend it to him first. I ordered a
copy
from amazon.com for $17.95 yesterday anyway. I also ordered the book
recommended by Neil, "Be Reasonable!", although it was a little
more
expensive. Decided to begin a home reference library on HOAs since I
live in one and am a voracious reader. Also found the Community
Association Institute online at www.caionline.org and joined! Have you
taken their Board Certification exam? If so, what was it like? Cecelia
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| 21 |
From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:06am
Subject: Roberts
Rules Reference
|
| |
Hi All:
I wanted to post a great resource for Roberts Rules. I have included the
links. Please encourage others to join our yahoo group. Thanks.
www.regenesis.net and www.regenesis.net/Parliamentary.htm and
www.regenesis.net/ParliamentaryCheatSheet.htm
_________
Parliamentary Procedure for Community Associations
Justice and courtesy to all
One thing at a time
The rule of the majority
The right of the minority
In order for a community association to conduct business in a professional
and effective manner, rules and procedures are needed. The following are
basic parliamentary procedures to achieve that end. A complete Roberts
Rules is available at the library or local bookstore. Click here for a
Parliamentary Cheat Sheet.
Securing the Floor
When a member wishes to bring a matter before the house, he /she must
first
"secure the floor" (be recognized and get permission to speak).
To do this:
1. Member raises hand or rises to get Chair’s attention.
2. Member addresses the Chair by title (not by his/her name) and says
"Mr.
(Madam) President" or "Mr. (Madam) Chairman," and then
waits for
recognition.
3. The Chair recognizes a member by either calling by the member by name
or
nodding in the member’s direction.
4. Once recognized, the member "has the floor" and permission to
introduce
business.
Introducing Business
As in securing the floor, there are several steps:
1. A motion is made by stating, "I move that..." or "I move
to..." or "I
move the adoption of the following..." "I move," is the
equivalent of, "I
propose"
2. Another member seconds the motion by saying "I second the
motion." The
reason that a motion needs to be seconded is to indicate that more than
one
person is in favor of discussing the matter. It is not necessary to secure
the floor in order to second a motion.
3. The Chair restates the motion: "It is moved and seconded that
..." "Is
there any discussion?"
Discussing the Motion Discussion of the motion allows opposing views on
the
motion to be debated. The Chair guides the debate by encouraging opposing
views. For example, after a member has offered support for the motion, the
Chair asks "Is there anyone opposed to the motion?" If a member
expresses
opposition, the Chair then asks "Does anyone want to speak in favor
of the
motion?" If the motion is a hot topic, this process may continue for
several
rounds before the motion is ready to be voted on. Motions that are less
volatile may have little or no debate. Based on the topic, the Chair may
decide to extend or shorten the discussion before proceeding to a vote.
Voting on the Motion by Voice There are several way of taking the vote.
The
most common is by voice. This is the form generally used when taking the
vote on an ordinary main motion. The form is "All who are in favor of
the
motion say aye (or yes)" . In response, the members who are in favor
of the
motion should say "aye," loud enough to be heard. The chair then
says: "All
who are opposed will say No". All those opposed then say
"No". The chair
announces the result by saying either, "The ayes have it, the motion
is
carried," or "The nos have it, the motion fails," followed
by lightly
rapping the gavel on the table. This completes the vote on a particular
motion.
Voting on the Motion by Hand If the motion is particularly sensitive, a
hand vote and tally is advisable. The Chair says, "All those in
favor, raise
their hand." A tally is then taken and recorded in the meeting
minutes. The
Chair then says, "All those opposed, raise their hand." That
number is
recorded as well. The Chair may ask for those that abstain (do not vote at
all) if there are those present, however, members should abstain only if
there is a conflict of interest or lack of understanding or background on
the motion being voted on.
Voting on the Motion by Acclamation If a motion being made is universally
accepted by the members, the Chair may call for a voice vote by
acclamation
(no dissenters). If there is no objection, the vote is taken and recorded
as
such.
Voting by Secret Ballot For motions that are highly sensitive, such as
election of officers, a paper ballot vote may be appropriate. In this
case,
each member indicates preference on a ballot, folds the ballot and passes
it
to the secretary or someone appointed to count the votes. In the case of
elections where secret ballots are normal, the process isn’t necessary
if
there is only one candidate. In this case, the Chair may request a Vote by
Acclamation.
Types of Motions
Main Motion When a motion has been made, seconded and stated by the chair,
all other business should be deferred until the motion has been disposed
of.
If the motion is long and involved, the secretary should write it down
before proceeding to debate or vote.
Motion to Amend This motion changes, adds, or omits words in the original
main motion. It is debatable and subject to a majority vote.
Motion to Amend the Amendment This motion changes, adds, or omits words in
the first amendment; It is debatable and subject to a majority vote.
Voting Procedure When the main motion has been amended and subsequently
re-amended. The first vote deals with the re-amendment. The second vote
deals with the amendment. The final vote deals with the main motion (as
amended if appropriate)
Motion to Commit When it becomes apparent that a particular motion
requires further investigation or study, it may be moved to commit the
motion to a committee for further review. This motion is debatable and
amendable.
Motion to Table This motion postpones the subject under discussion to
some time in the future. These motions are not debatable or amendable and
require a majority vote.
Motion to Take from The Table The removal from the table a motion that has
been previously tabled. It may be at the same or a later meeting. This
returns the motion for further consideration; not debatable or amendable,
and can have no subsidiary motion applied. It takes precedence over any
main
motion.
Motion to Postpone Definitely A motion that automatically comes up under
Unfinished Business at the next meeting. It is a debatable motion.
Motion to Adjourn This motion is in order except when a speaker has the
floor, a vote is being taken or when the assembly is in the midst of
urgent
business. When a motion is made to adjourn to a definite place, and time,
it
is debatable.
Motion to Reconsider The motion to reconsider a motion that was carried or
failed is in order if made on the same day, but must be made by one who
voted with the prevailing side. Motion in question can be twice
reconsidered. Debatable: majority rule.
Question This motion is made to close debate on the pending motion. It is
not debatable. The form is "Mr. (Madam) Chairman, I move the previous
question." The Chairman then asks, "Shall debate be closed and
the question
now put?" If this is adopted by a two-thirds vote, the question
before the
assembly is immediately voted upon.
Point of Order This motion is always in order, but can be used only to
present an objection to a ruling of the Chair or some method of
parliamentary procedure. The form is "Mr. (Madam) Chairman, I rise to
a
point of order." The Chairman: "Please state your point of
order." After the
member has stated the objection, the Chair answers either "Your point
of
order is sustained" or "Your point of order is denied."
The Chair’s decision may be appealed. If appealed, the Chair addresses
the
assembly and says, "Shall the decision of the Chair be
sustained?" This is
debatable and voted on like any other motion. A majority or tie vote
sustains the decision or reverses the decision of the Chair.
Point of Information Request that is made when a member desires
clarification of details. The member may interrupt a speaker and need not
obtain the floor.
Repeal Motion to revoke a former action by the group. It may completely
remove the motion that originated the action. It may or may not include
that
the former motion be "struck from the records."
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Parliamentary Procedure in Brief
1. Securing the floor
Member raises hand or rises.
Member addresses the chair.
Chair recognizes member.
2. Introducing the business
Member makes a motion.
Another member seconds the motion.
Chair states the motion.
3. Voting on the question
Chair takes the affirmative vote.
Chair takes the negative vote.
Chair announces the result.
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:55pm
Subject: Re:
Roberts Rules Reference
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Thanks a million!
|
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:12am
Subject: Capital
project planning committee: Information on conducting a Reserve study
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| |
Hi all:
I wanted to distribute this to all, but specifically to those who are
interested in playing a role on the capital project planning committee. We
need to begin the capital planning process by reviewing the useful life of
our assets and establishing long-term savings goals for the maintenance
and
eventual replacement of those assets. That is the focus of the KGHOA
Capital Project Planning committee.
Please look at the attached and also look at the source web site
www.regenesis.net.
Sincerely,
Neil D.
Community Association Reserve Study
The Reserve Study identifies association maintained components, their
useful
lives, the cost of repair or replacement and a 30 year funding plan. The
Reserve Study ensures that all owners pay a fair share, that money is
there
when needed and no more special assessments! Regenesis performs Reserve
Studies in Oregon and SW Washington. For more Email Us or phone
503.977.7974.
Below is a Q&A about this subject. For more information,
Reserve Study Tutorial which discusses the process in detail
Reserve Study Terminology which defines commonly used terms, and
Reserve Study Component List which lists many possible components that
qualify under the definition.
Reserve Study Q&A
What is a reserve study and how can it help a homeowner association better
manage its funds and maintenance? The reserve study analyzes major repair
and replacement needs like roofing and painting and provides a funding
plan
for accumulating money to perform this work when its needed. There are
several parts to the reserve study: First, all major association
maintained
components are identified. (Click here for a Reserve Study Component
List).
Next, the cost to renovate each item is then determined by contractor bid
or
construction cost estimate. Then, the remaining useful life (in years) of
each item is established. These items are plugged into a mathematical
formula:
Cost ÷ Remaining Useful Life = Money Needed Yearly for Reserve Fund
For example, if roof replacement costs $100,000 and the remaining useful
life is 25 years, then $4,000 is required yearly to pay for the work when
it’s needed. Doing this procedure for each component will show the total
money needed yearly to fund reserves. Each year, the reserve fund needs to
be adjusted by area inflation and the interest earned on the invested
reserve funds.
How should these reserve funds be accounted for? Reserve funds should be
kept in a different account from the normal operating funds. Rather than
lumping the money into an account like "General Reserves", it
should be
allocated according to the reserve plan between the different categories
(like painting and roofing, etc.). It’s conceivable that reserves will
grow
to tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Prudent investing of these
funds will reduce the amount of money needed from owners. Since the
reserve
study shows when money will be needed, long term investments can be
purchased that will return more than savings accounts. Conservative
investments like government securities or certificates of deposit (CDs)
are
recommended, however, there are other conservative options so consult with
your financial advisor.
When should a reserve study be performed? All homeowner associations,
regardless of size, should have a reserve study done. Once completed and
the
funding plan is in place, yearly updates are relatively simple and
inexpensive. If the association has inadequate reserve funds to begin
with,
the reserve study will show the need for "catch up". To
replenish the fund,
several options are available: 1) a special assessment (lump sum cash
contribution from owners), or 2) a phase-in period of several years where
fees increase each year, or 3) a combination of both. Whatever course of
action taken, the goal should be to reach "100% Funding" which
means the
association is accumulating money on schedule to meet future major
maintenance needs.
What sorts of financial problems can homeowner associations encounter with
inadequate reserve funds? Without adequate reserves, associations rely
on special assessments. Special assessments are unfair because owners that
have bought and sold in the past fail to pay their fair share and current
owners end up "holding the bag". Special assessments are a
hardship on
owners and some may be uncollectable if an owner’s equity and assets are
small. Also, since special assessments are unpopular, the tendency is to
postpone major renovations. This deferral accelerates the deterioration
process, detracts from curb appeal and erodes home resale values. A
reserve
funding plan with regular monthly contributions from each owner is both
fair
and insures that major maintenance is done when it’s needed. Rarely will
special assessments be necessary.
Can poorly managed reserve funds affect the sale of units? Absolutely.
Buyers and lenders look closely at how reserve funds are handled by the
association. Lack of reserves is a red flag for an inevitable special
assessment, a sign of poor planning. If given the choice between an
association with healthy reserves or one with little or none, which would
be
the wiser investment?
Which types of major repairs must be paid for by association funds? The
association documents define what repairs are the association’s
responsibility. In common wall communities like condominiums, the
association is usually responsible for items like roofing, landscaping,
siding, painting, paving, sidewalks, pools, clubhouses, signage and
fencing.
But there are many more.
What kind of qualifications should a reserve study analyst have? Besides
experience doing reserve studies and a list of client references, the
reserve study analyst should have good budgeting skills, knowledge of
construction and an understanding of homeowner association operations.
How much does a reserve study cost? If the association has a volunteer
experienced in construction cost estimating, the cost is nothing. However,
there are clear advantages to having a knowledgeable Reserve Analyst do
the
work which includes expertise, knowledge of local contractors and costs,
no
conflict of interest and objectivity. Costs to perform a reserve study
vary based on the size of the community, the number of components and the
time needed to measure them. The good news is the initial reserve study is
the most costly since it involves the most time to gather the component
data. Recommended annual updates are much easier and less costly since
they
only involve changing the inflation factor, interest yield and updating
any
components that have actually had work done since the last reserve study.
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:16pm
Subject: Access
to the groups
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Hi everyone:
I wanted to make sure that everyone is spreading the word regarding the
yahoogroups and our web site for our neighborhood. If used effectively, it
should improve our ability to communicate and collaborate more
effectively.
I'd like to ask for your assistance in getting your friends, neighbors and
fellow Kings Grant lot owners to sign up for the service. It is our
intention to further utilize the site to: take opinion polls, post
newsletters, remind members of important events, store digital pictures,
maintain the member list and try to take advantage of as many benefits the
site has to offer to our community. We need your help though to spread the
word and help make this a success.
Also, it is planned that each of the committees will have their own
discussion group - so that discussions, debates and polls can be limited
to
the area of interest relevant for the committee members. These groups will
be open to all KGHOA members to post, contribute or review - same as you
would if you went to a meeting at the barn - regardless if you are on the
committee. All that you need to do is sign up through the web site, or,
contact the member communications committee through Rebecca Darling at
(thedarling6@h...)
and she will get either Sue, Marcus or Mike to
sign you up for any group you wish.
Our only requirement is that access to any of the groups be limited to lot
owners and the community manager, as we expect to discuss our neighborhood
business matters. So although you may want an anonymous identification,
you
will have to identify yourself to the moderator of the group to be signed
up
for the group.
So that's it! Let's continue to pull together to maintain the value,
viability and stability of our beautiful community.
Sincerely,
Neil Darling
President, KGHOA
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From: Fred Flintstone <zarudzki@v...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:32pm
Subject: Agenda
items to board
|
| |
Need clarification on who is submitting or allowed to
submit
agenda items for board discussion/inclusion.
Please clarify.
-Mike Z. |
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:43pm
Subject: Re:
Agenda items to board
|
| |
Mike:
Anyone (assuming a member in good standing) is allowed to submit an item,
or
concern to be cosnidered for the agenda. However, we have specified that
the item must be submitted atleast 5-days before the meeting. This is so
that any research can be gathered by the community manager, member
committees or the Board.
If there is something that you'd like to discuss, we have reserved some
time
at the beginning of every meeting to hear member issues relating to the
business of the association.
Give me a call if you'd like to discuss. Beck can give you my cell number.
ND
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:44pm
Subject: RE:
Agenda items to board
|
| |
Mike,
I understand from Neil that you have expressed an interest (arm twisting
assumed) in taking over the technical task of handling the website? If you
are still interested, I would like to talk to you about a handover after
or
before Friday's meeting if you plan to attend. Dealing with content is
rough enough without trying to master FrontPage.
Marcus T.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Flintstone [mailto:zarudzki@v...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [KingsGrantHOA] Agenda items to board
Need clarification on who is submitting or allowed to submit
agenda items for board discussion/inclusion.
Please clarify.
-Mike Z.
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From: Fred Flintstone <zarudzki@v...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:09am
Subject: Re:
Agenda items to board
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| |
I'll talk with you on Friday. I told Neal it looks great.
I have
nothing to add. KISS method is my way. If you have the structure
which you do, then the content should be plugged whereever. FrontPage
is a pain, but is:
More readily available
Supported
Easy to use ---- HAHA.
Could alway use DreamWeaver or maybe some shareware, but I think
you all made the B E S T, wisest choice.
-Later
Mike Z.
aka Fred
"I build the servers that run the pages that deliver the content that
make your life easier so waddya mean it says CodeRed?"
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Reminder
- KG BOD MEETING
|
| |
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
KG BOD MEETING
Date: Friday, September 14, 2001
Time: 7:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
Meeting of the KG BOD. Please ensure that appropriate notice is
posted at the barn. |
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:03pm
Subject: Reminder
- KG BOD MEETING
|
| |
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
KG BOD MEETING
Date: Friday, September 14, 2001
Time: 7:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
Meeting of the KG BOD. Please ensure that appropriate notice is
posted at the barn. |
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From: <KingsGrantHOA@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:59pm
Subject: Reminder
- KG BOD MEETING
|
| |
We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
KG BOD MEETING
Date: Friday, October 19, 2001
Time: 7:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)
Meeting of the KG BOD at the Barn. Please ensure all agenda
items are submitted one week before the meeting. |
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From: Fred Flintstone <zarudzki@v...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 11:54am
Subject: RFP's
and responses
|
| |
Based on:
"COMMITTEES OF THE KINGS GRANT HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION
Easements and Common Property Maintenance
The Easements and Common Property Maintenance committee is
established to determine the scope of maintenance related tasks for
the trails, entrances, and Lot 13 (aka "the Barn"). This
committee
will determine what maintenance tasks need to be done, at what
interval. They will then advertise on the community web site with a
request for proposals from the community members (Community RFP). If
no member can be found either to volunteer or submit an acceptable
bid - the committee will then identify contractors to accomplish the
tasks, evaluate their qualifications, references and propose to the
BOD a contract award to a particular vendor based on their research
and recommendation."
I have some proposals that I am insterested in submitting. However,
I usually respond in person. What will be the boards position on
acceptance of both oral and written proposals that may or may not
include financial obligations on both parties.
Thanks in advance.
-Mike Z. |
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From: Neil Darling <neildarling@n...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 0:20pm
Subject: Re:
RFP's and responses
|
| |
Mike:
Generally, we plan on keeping things in writing to ensure the integrity of
the transaction. Please contact myself, Donna Mullins (chair, easement and
comm prop comm), or Sue Rowdon if you'd like to discuss.
Yours truly,
Neil Darling |
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:59pm
Subject: I
hope all are OK and accounted for
|
| |
Hello All:
I hope and pray that everyone is OK. Last weekend, I was thinking about
how
sometimes we don't get along in our little community, and then yesterday,
I
began to wonder if everyone was safe within our little community.
I hope if anyone knows of someone who has been hurt, they wouldn't
hesitate
to reach out to the neighbors within King's Grant.
Many of us drive north each and every morning - that we have in common.
I'm
also aware that some of us work at the Pentagon and in National Security
positions. My guess is that your jobs will take on even greater importance
and my hat is off to you!
We will say a prayer.
I have attached a message I thought was very well written and reflects how
I've felt recently.
Neil D
_____________________________________
> > A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
> >
> >
> >
> > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> >
> > America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >
> > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
> > recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
> > Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
> > commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
> > Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
> > appreciated people on all the earth.
> >
> > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
> > Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
> > Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> > forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> > countries is today paying even the interest on its
> > remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
> > it was the Americans who propped it up, and their
> > reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets
> > of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
> > United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
> > American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
> > Nobody helped.
> >
> > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
> > billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now
> > newspapers in those countries are writing about the
> > decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> > I'd like to see just one of those countries that
> > is gloating over the erosion of the United States
> > dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country
> > in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
> > Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
> > If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
> > International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> >
> > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
> > a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
> > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
> > technocracy, and you get automobiles.
> >
> > You talk about American technocracy, and you find
> > men on the moon -! not once, but several times -
> > and safely home again.
> >
> > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
> > right in the store window for everybody to look at.
> > Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
> > They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> >
> > When the railways of France, Germany and India
> > were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
> > who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
> > the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
> > old caboose. Both are still broke.
> >
> > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
> > to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
> > me even one time when someone else raced to the
> > Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
> > help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> > Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
> > kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
> > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
> > to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> > over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
> > those."
> >
> > Stand proud, America!
> >
> >
> >
> > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
> > read regarding the United States. It is nice that
> > one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the
> > world would realize it. We are always blamed for
> > everything and never even get a thank you for the
> > things we do.
> >
> > I would hope that each of you would send this to
> > as many people as you can and emphasize that they
> > should send it to as many of their friends until this
> > letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a
> > single American that has read this.
> >
> > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.
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From: Neil Darling <neildarling@n...>
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re:
Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
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The Board meeting has been cancelled. |
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 9:50am
Subject: Re:
Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
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Neil, Was the BoD Mtng. that was cancelled a regular mtng.
or a special
mtng.? Is there some reason why it was cancelled? Also, I have not
heard from the Rules Committee Chairman since 9-5-01 nor have I heard
from the other committee members. I emailed the Chairman yesterday over
my concern for Rule 4 since it was supposed to be due tomorrow. No
response. I don't understand and am hoping you might know why. Cecelia
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:02:56 -0400 "Neil Darling"
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>The Board meeting has been cancelled.
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From: Marcus Thomas <mctlrt@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:54am
Subject: RE:
Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
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Cecelia,
Sorry, my communications have been sketchy, I was deployed out of the area
for two days this week. I am back now. Our schedule is going to slip a
bit.
I will write soon.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: Cecelia Q. Barton [mailto:cqbarton@j...]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [KingsGrantHOA] Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
Neil, Was the BoD Mtng. that was cancelled a regular mtng. or a special
mtng.? Is there some reason why it was cancelled? Also, I have not
heard from the Rules Committee Chairman since 9-5-01 nor have I heard
from the other committee members. I emailed the Chairman yesterday over
my concern for Rule 4 since it was supposed to be due tomorrow. No
response. I don't understand and am hoping you might know why. Cecelia
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:02:56 -0400 "Neil Darling"
<neildarling@n...>
writes:
>The Board meeting has been cancelled.
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From: Cecelia Q. Barton <cqbarton@j...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:37pm
Subject: Re:
Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
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Marcus, Thanks for letting us know. Kim and I were both
wondering.
Cecelia
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From: Neil Darling <NDDarling@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 10:03am
Subject: Re:
Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
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Cecelia:
I contacted the Chair and he informed me that he has quite busy at work,
however, he would provide an update to you. Also, the meeting we scheduled
for yesterday (Friday) was a regular meeting og the BOD. My attempt was to
have a meeting the second Friday of the month. I will contact you when we
reschedule. I appreciate your continued patience.
Thanks.
>From: "Cecelia Q. Barton" <cqbarton@j...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [KingsGrantHOA] Reminder - KG BOD MEETING
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:50:46 -0400
>
>Neil, Was the BoD Mtng. that was cancelled a regular mtng. or a
special
>mtng.? Is there some reason why it was cancelled? Also, I have not
>heard from the Rules Committee Chairman since 9-5-01 nor have I heard
>from the other committee members. I emailed the Chairman yesterday
over
>my concern for Rule 4 since it was supposed to be due tomorrow. No
>response. I don't understand and am hoping you might know why. Cecelia
>
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:02:56 -0400 "Neil Darling"
><neildarling@n...>
writes:
> >The Board meeting has been cancelled.
> >
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