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AGA KHAN GOLDEN JUBILEE

kehûnnâh - kâhankôhên 

IMAMAT IMAM

 

 

dedicated to our beloved khudawind

noor mowlana hazir imam
on his

most holy and auspicious 

GOLDEN JUBILEE JULY 11, 2007
IN ISLAM AND THE SHIA IMAMI ISMAILI TARIQAH

 

may it please our beloved khudawind
 

 

happy birthday and many happy
returns of the day to our Beloved - 

 

 

IMAM ALI IBN ABU TALIB (A.S)
THE 1ST IMAM(A.S)

NAME: ALI
BORN: 13 RAJAB (FRIDAY) INSIDE THE KHANA-E-KABA
FATHER: HAZRAT ABU TALIB
MOTHER: FATIMA BINTEY ASAD
DEATH: 21 RAMZAN(RAMADAN) 40 HIJRI
BURIED: NAJAF-E-ASHRAF

Source: Najul Balagha

In the 40th year of Hijri, in the small hours OF THE MORNING OF 19th-NINETEENTH RAMADAN, Imam Ali (AS) was struck with a poisoned sword by the Kharijite Ibn Maljam while offering his prayers in the Masjid of Kufa.

He died ON THE 21ST DAY OF RAMADAN 40 A.H. and buried in Najaf-ul-Ashraf.

He was born in the House of Allah, the Kaaba, and
martryed in the House of Allah, Masjid-e-Kufa.

The Lion of Allah, the most brave and gentle Muslim after the Prophet (PBUH&HF) himself, began his glorious life with devotion to Allah and His Messenger, and ended it in the service of Islam.

"And do not speak of those who are slain in the the Way of Allah as dead; nay, they are alive, but you perceive not." Quran 2:154

 

 

Inaugural Ceremony

His Highness the Aga Khan completed his 50th year as the Imam of the Ismaili community on 11 July 2007.

  1. Noor Mowlana Hazir Imam-e-Zaman [sa];

  2.  followed by Prince Amyn Mohammed (b. 14th of September 1937)

  3. followed by Prince Rahim  Aga Khan (b. October 12, 1971)

 

 

His Highness the Aga Khan accompanied by members of his family outside his residence, waiting to welcome leaders of the global Ismaili Muslim community.

 

 

QUESTION

  1. WHAT WAS THE QUR'ANIC SIGNIFICANCE of the Inaugural Ceremony july 11, 2007? 

  2. AND WHAT WAS allah's divine message behind each of  the birth dates shown above?

  3. AND its prime relevance to the Holy Month of Ramadan KAREEM 2007?

 

 

September 12, 1937

Prince Aly Khan - Biography

  • Amyn Muhammad (b. 12 September 1937)

Prince Aly Salomone Khan

 

When is Ramadan in 2007?

Ramadan in 2007 will start on Thursday, the 13th of September and will continue for 30 days until Friday, the 12th of October.

Note that in the Muslim calander, a holiday begins on the sunset of the previous day, so observing Muslims will celebrate Ramadan on the sunset of Wednesday, the 12th of September.

 

 

 

ramadan kareem 
mubarak

 

  • 1st Ramadan Thursday 13 September 2007

  •  Eid-al-Fitr (1st Shawwal) October 12 2007

 

Shahru Ramadhanal-Ladhi 'Unzila Fihi
The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed

 1.    Al-QUR'ANU Hudan Lilnnasi
the QUR'AN, a guidance for mankind

2.    Wa Bayyinatiminal-Hudaá
and MANIFEST PROOFS
of the guidance,

3.    Wal-FURQ’AN
and the FURQ’AN

 

 

practice of the primal islam in the bible

(Romans 15:32 KJV)  
  • That I may come unto you with joy 
  • by the will of God,
  • [insha’allah].
  •  and may with you be refreshed. 

(Hebrews 13:20 KJV)

  • Now the God of peace, ..... 
  • shâlôm  [pēs (שׁלום, shālōm; εἰρήνη, eirḗne)] islam  [5 x 4]

 

 

PERSONIFICATION 
THE FEMININE GENDER

Huwa (He) and Hiya (She)

 

1.     Our revelations, behold! they laughed at HER/THEM -- Minhā

  2.     Min 'Āyatin 'Illā Hiya 'Akbaru Min 'Ukhtihā

2.     of a revelation but it/Hiya (She)  

was greater than HER SISTER

 

 

Falammā Jā'ahum Bi'āyātinā 'Idhā Hum Minhā Yađĥakūna (43:47).

But when he brought them Our revelations, behold! they laughed at HER -- Minhā.

  1. Wa Mā Nurīhim Min 'Āyatin 

  2. 'Illā Hiya 'Akbaru Min 'Ukhtihā 

  3. Wa 'Akhadhnāhum Bil-`Adhābi La`allahum Yarji`ūna (43:48).

 

  1. And THAT  We showed them OF THE REVELATION 

  2. except SHE was greater than its/HER SISTER

  3. and We grasped them with the torment, that haply they might turn again.

Pickthal's Quran Translation

 

48 And every token that We showed them was greater than its sister (token), and We grasped them with the torment, that haply they might turn again.

043:048 Sherali   And WE showed them no Sign but it was greater than its preceding sister Sign

43. 48:
C4651. Moses showed them nine Clear Signs: see n. 1091 to vii. 133; also xvii. 101.
Each one of them in its own setting and circumstances was greater than any of its "Sister" Signs. The object was if possible to reclaim as many Egyptians as possible from their defiance of Allah.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

 

 

     Above HER / it   19-nineteen

`Alayhā 

Tis`ata `Ashar (74:30).

Above HER / it 

  19-nineteen.

11 + 3 = 7 x 2

19 x 1

 

 

Princess Zahra Aga Khan

(b. September 18, 1970);  

 

 

Above HER

19  -  nineteen  

 
  1. The feminine pronoun "ha" (it or her)
  2.  in the verse "Over it is Nineteen"
    (74:30) refers to  [snip];
  3. As for the feminine "heya" (it or she) 
    in the last phrase of verse 74:31, 
    "It is a reminder (zikra) for people" 
    refers to the number Nineteen
Running Like Zebras

by

Edip Yuksel
 
 

the divine vis-à-vis mystery concept of 2--two

[1]  &   [2] 

 

[1]  

 

Speech by His Highness the Aga Khan

 

THE CULTURAL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD

MARCH 30, 2007

I warmly thank the Foundation Parma Capitale della Musica for giving the Aga Khan Trust for Culture the opportunity to share with you, in this great city and this great country of unique cultural wealth

A SMALL SAMPLE OF THE CULTURAL ASSETS OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD, AND TO TRY TO BUILD

  NEW FORCES OF PRIDE AND RESPECT FOR THE CULTURAL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD AT A GLOBAL LEVEL 

and thereby contributing to the reduction of the damage that has been made in recent times by questionable decisions in the field of international politics.

[emphasis added, ali kenadianCanada  ]

 

 

[2] 

HONOR AUTHENTIC SYMBOLS 
OF PRIDE AND IDENTITY - 
and to share 
THEIR BEAUTY AND THEIR POWER 
with one another 

12 July 2007

[emphasis added, ali kenadianCanada]

[19 & 7 x 4(a)]

 

 

the divine vis-à-vis mystery

concept of 2--two

[1] & [2]

 

 

HONOR AUTHENTIC SYMBOLS 
OF PRIDE AND IDENTITY

THEIR BEAUTY AND THEIR POWER 

  • Rabbika Dhūl- Jalāli Wal-'Ikrām

  • Rabbika Dhīl-Jalāli Wal-'Ikrām

 

55) Sūrat Ar-Raĥmān 

Kullu Man `Alayhā Fānin (26).

Everyone that is Alayhā - thereon/ON HER will pass away;

 

Wa Yabqaá Wajhu

 Rabbika Dhūl-

Jalāli Wal-'Ikrām(27).

Tabāraka Asmu

 Rabbika Dhīl-

Jalāli Wal-'Ikrām(78).

 

There remaineth but the FACE of 

[1] thy Lord, LORD of 

Might and Glory. 

Blessed be the name of

[2] thy Lord, LORD 

Mighty and glorious!

 

(1 Chronicles 29:11 KJV) Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

(Revelation 19:1 KJV) And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

 

Hebrews <=NT= <13 : 17> =HQ=>
 CHILDREN OF ISRAEL

 

excerpts

13 August 2007    [13:17]

  1. TWO THINGS

  2. TWO OBJECTIVES

  3. BUT THE BEAUTY AND POWER 

  4. OF A PARTNERSHIP

  5. BOTH CAN BE RESPECTED

 

Speech by His Highness the Aga Khan

akdn.org/speeches/2007Aug14_state

 

Remarks by His Highness the Aga Khan

at the State Banquet

Nairobi 13 August 2007  

 

As I observe this Jubilee year, I plan to use this occasion to do TWO THINGS:

KENYA HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN PAST JUBILEE CELEBRATIONS OF THE ISMAILI IMAMAT—

  1. DURING MY LATE GRANDFATHER’S TIME[1] 

  2. AND MY OWN[2].

 

I SAID A MOMENT AGO THAT I HAD :

  • TWO OBJECTIVES AS I MARK THIS JUBILEE YEAR—

  • THE SECOND ONE WAS TO PUT INTO HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE 

  • SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES OVER THIS HALF CENTURY.

  1. THE DESIRE FOR UNITY

  2. AND THE URGE TO DIVERSIFY 

  3. MAY SEEM LIKE CONTRADICTORY FORCES

  4.  - BUT THE BEAUTY AND POWER OF A PARTNERSHIP 

  5. APPROACH IS THAT 

  6. IT RESPECTS THE PROPER ROLE OF EACH IMPULSE

  7. AND WORKS OUT WAYS IN WHICH 

  8. BOTH CAN BE RESPECTED.  

 

12 July 2007

[emphasis added, ali kenadianCanada]

[19 & 7 x 4(a)]

(Exodus 28:2 KJV) And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron [priest - kohen - IMAM] thy brother for glory and for beauty[7 x 4(b) & 5 x 6]

(Hebrews 3:12 KJV) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. [5 x 3]

(Hebrews 3:13 KJV) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [13]

 

meaning:

excerpt

 

THE SPIRIT OF PLURALISM  is not a pallid religious compromise. 

it is a sacred religious imperative.

 

[1+9+3+6 ==> 19-NINETEEN x 1]

 

aggregation

Dec. 13, 1936   [and Italy[1] (Sardinia]

  1. [12 + 13 = 25]

  2. 25: ==> 5 x 5]

  3. 2+5: ==> 7 x 1

[1+9+3+6  ==> 19-NINETEEN x 1]

 

 

compare

THE EXILE OF JESUS TO DAMASCUS 
IN THE
MEDIEVAL GOSPEL OF BARNABAS 

At length Jesus persuades them to fast for 19-NINETEEN
days, 

atheistalliance.org/jhc/articles/BlackhirstDamascus.pdf

 

 

COMPARE

at Turin[1] in Italy[1]

June 13, 1911

 

Dec. 13, 1936  

[and Italy[2] (Sardinia]

 

 

Written to the Hebrews from Italy[2]

Hebrews  13  -  Italy[1]

Hebrews  13Italy[2]

 

 

(Hebrews 13:25 KJV) - Italy[2]

Grace be with you all. Amen. 

 <Written to the Hebrews from Italy[2]

by Timothy[2].>  

 

aggregation

[13:25  ==> 38  ==> 19 x 2] 

[13+25  ==> 38

==>        19 x 2

25:  ==> 5 x 5]

2+5:  ==> 7 x 1

 

 

 

 

His Highness the Aga Khan became Imam [the Kohen -- priest] of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims on July 11, 1957 at the age of 20, succeeding his grandfather, Sir Sultan Mahomed Shah Aga Khan.  

He is the 49th hereditary Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims 

and a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through his cousin and son-in-law, Ali, the first Imam, and his wife Fatima, the Prophet's daughter.

[emphasis added, ali kenadianCanada]

 

1957

19  x  1
   & 
19  x  3

19_5_7

 

 

`Alayhā[1]/Above it HER/ 19-NINETEEN

 

  1. and We have given thee 

  2. seven of the oft-repeated


49th - IMAM

7  x  7

 

 

 

For when for the time
ye ought to be teachers ...
YE HAVE NEED 
THAT  O_N_E  TEACH  Y_O_U  AGAIN

 

(Hebrews 5:12 KJVA) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, YE HAVE NEED THAT  O_N_E  TEACH  Y_O_U  AGAIN which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. [17]

 

 

THE  MOST IMPORTANT FACT YET

both the old & the new testaments  were simply  INCOMPARABLE and irreconcilable 

 

  1. any and all forms of their  'INNOVATED'  trinitarian vis-à-vis pauline christianity;

  2. [be it the practice of a Catholic church, especially the Roman Catholic Church & the vatican and/or any other form fervently propagated, by the likes of: Jack Van Impe Ministries --  'Our Statement of Faith', etc.,]; 

    IS NOT PRESENT IN THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENTS in any collaborative vis-à-vis corroborative contexts and connotations at all;

  3. SAVE OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTATIONS;

  4. conjectures and OFTEN times, FORCED interpretations ONLY.

  5. more importantly, both the old & the new testaments  were simply  INCOMPARABLE and irreconcilable on any given subject; 

  6. AND there is no consistency within the new testament  per se.

Europe's Old Churches Turn Into Bars, Eateries - Newsweek ...   [ALSO REPORTED BY  Jack Van Impe Ministries]

Once a Church, Now a Mosque -- Europe Abandons Christianity

 

# Pope: Other Christians NOT TRUE churches AP
July 10, 2007  

 

 

disillusioned Catholics

s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_eu/austria_pope

By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 53 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - Pope Benedict XVI, reaching out TO DISILLUSIONED CATHOLICS ACROSS EUROPE, ended a three-day Austria pilgrimage Sunday with a Mass in Vienna and a stop at a medieval abbey that drew tens of thousands of cheering faithful.

Throughout the visit, disinterested passers-by were seen strolling nonchalantly past giant video screens showing the pontiff.

Benedict's trip has focused on REACHING OUT TO JADED CATHOLICS, not just in Austria but across Europe.

THOUSANDS OF AUSTRIAN CATHOLICS HAVE FORMALLY RENOUNCED THEIR CHURCH AFFILIATIONS IN RECENT YEARS, citing disgust with clergy sex scandals and displeasure over a highly unpopular government-imposed church tax.

 

please note the following important parables and their precise contexts, as expounded by jesus christ himself.

 

THE KINGDOM OF GOD

    shall be taken from you

2.      THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN;

3.      is like to a grain of mustard seed

(Luke 9:58 KJV)   And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, AND BIRDS OF THE AIR HAVE  NESTS; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

  (Matthew 13:31 KJV)  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

 (Matthew 13:32 KJV)  Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, SO THAT THE BIRDS of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

 

COMPARE

  (Matthew 8:20 KJV)   

  1. And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, 

  2. and THE BIRDS OF THE AIR HAVE NESTS; 

  3. but THE SON OF MAN hath not where to lay his head.

 

 what is the connection here?

 

The STONE 
which the builders rejected,

THE KINGDOM OF GOD
SHALL BE TAKEN FROM YOU

 

 (Matthew 21:42 KJV)   Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The STONE   which the builders rejected, the same is become THE HEAD OF THE CORNER: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

  (Matthew 21:43 KJV)  Therefore say I unto you, THE KINGDOM OF GOD shall be taken from you ,

AND GIVEN TO A NATION bringing forth the fruits thereof.

PLEASE NAME THE NATION alluded to by both david and jesus, respectively.

COULD YOU PLEASE INTERPRET THE ABOVE, CITING ONLY the psalms of david & the 4 canonical gospels, attributed to jesus' 4 or all 12  - handpicked apostles - the divinely inspired authors?

 

question

that said, what was the god's divine plan  A_F_T_E_R  jesus christ's irrevocable and expedient departure? 

 

  1. another- allos 
  2. Comforter[3875]
  3. parakletos - παράκλητος

 

(John 14:16 KJV) 

  1. And I will pray
  2. the Father, 
  3. and he shall give 
  4. you another- allos 
  5. Comforter/[3875]
  6. parakletos - παράκλητος
  7. that he may abide 
  8. with you for ever;

(John 16:7 KJV) 

  1. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; 
  2. It is expedient for you 
  3. that I go away: 
  4. for if I go not away
  5. the Comforter/[3875] 
  6. parakletos  - παράκλητος
  7. will not come unto you; 
  8. but if I depart, 
  9. I will send him unto you.

Jhn 14:16Jhn 14:26 ; Jhn 15:26 ; Jhn 16:71Jo 2:1 ;

 

Vulgate

newadvent.org/bible/joh016.

- Jhn 16:7 -sed ego veritatem dico vobis expedit vobis ut ego vadam si enim non abiero paracletus non veniet ad vos si autem abiero mittam eum ad vos

Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

The Latin Vulgate (Vulgate)

The Latin Vulgate was translated from the original languages into Latin by Jerome in A.D. 405. For over a millennium, it remained as the preferred translation of the church. This version of the Bible is in the public domain.

 

WHO WAS THE FIRST - 

parakletos - παράκλητος

an advocate[3875] pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins?

 

compare

cherry picking

an advocate[3875] --, 

Jesus Christ

 

1Jo 2:1  

παράκλητος 
parakletos
advocate

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate[3875] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

παράκλητος

Transliteration

paraklētos

Pronunciation

pä-rä'-klā-tos (Key)

 

Part of Speech

masculine noun

1) summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid

a) one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate

b) one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor

1) of Christ in his exaltation at God's right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins

c) in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant

 

Christ's departure was necessary

G3875 παράκλητος paraklētos

par-ak'-lay-tos

An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.

 

Joh 16:7-15 - 

Christ's departure was necessary to the Comforter's coming

 

he shall give you another Comforter — a word used only by John; in his Gospel with reference to the Holy Spirit, in his First Epistle (1Jo_2:1), with reference to Christ Himself. Its proper sense is an “advocate,” “patron,” “helper.”

61. 6:
C5438.
"Ahmad", or "Muhammad, the Praised One, is almost a translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the present Gospel of John. xiv. 16, xv. 26, and xvi. 7, the word "Comforter" in the English version is for the Greek word "Paracletos", which means "Advocate", "one called to the help of another, a kind friend", rather than "Comforter". Our doctors contend that Paracleots is a corrupt reading for Periclytos, and that in their original saying of Jesus there was a prophecy of our holy Prophet Ahmad by name. Even if we read Paraclete, it would apply to the holy Prophet, who is "a Mercy for all creatures" (xxi. 107) and "most kind and merciful to the Believers" (ix. 128). See also n. 416 to iii. 81.
Yusuf Ali's Commentary from QuranTrans

 

whereas, the holy ghost4151/spiritG4151 πνεῦμα pneuma was incapable of doing any of these things.  WHY?

BECAUSE:
the Paraclete (Greek, paraclētos)  

  1. had been depicted as the "Comforter-teacher-paraclētos";

  2. throughout in the gospel of john, Jhn 14:16Jhn 14:26 ; Jhn 15:26 ; Jhn 16:7

  3. RATHER THAN A FORGIVER OF SINS, AN ADVOCATED - INTERCESSOR -- paraclētos, 

  4. LIKE UNTO JESUS CHRIST -

  5. THE FIRST παράκλητος paraklētos.   1Jo 2:1 ;

in other words, this johannine 'Paraclete (Greek, paraclētos)' was supposed to be more of a comforter/teacher than an intercessor and/or a forgiver of sins, like unto jesus.

 

important

the beginning

(Matthew 1:21 KJV) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

the middle

(John 14:16 DRB) And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you ANOTHER PARACLETE, that he may abide with you for ever:

 

'Paraclete' in Christianity

In 1 John 2:1 "paraclete" is used to describe the intercessory role of Jesus Christ. And in John 14:16 Jesus says "another paraclete" will come to help his disciples, implying Jesus is the first paraclete.

 

the end/afterlife - the hereafter

1Jo 2:1

parakletos 

παράκλητος

advocate 

 

jesus christ

for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have.

and carried up into heaven. 

 

 

STILL A HUMAN BEING - parakletos

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate[3875] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  

 

the physical resurrection & ascension

(Luke 24:39 KJV) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

(Luke 24:40 KJV) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

(Luke 24:51 KJV) And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

(Acts 7:56 KJV) And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

 

in other words, both should have been able to 'SAVE' their people from their sins. 

but not so the holy ghost, παράκλητος paraklētos

the παράκλητος paraklētos  vis-à-vis  the comforter/teacher had succeeded jesus christ ONLY in that primary role and capacity, according to the gospel of john. Jhn 14:16Jhn 14:26 ; Jhn 15:26 ; Jhn 16:7 ; 1Jo 2:1.

 

jesus' 'SPIRITUAL' successor, 
was of masculine gender

(John 15:26 DRB) But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the SpiritG4151 πνεῦμα pneuma of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me.

(John 14:16 DRB) And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete-Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever:

(John 14:17 DRB) The spiritG4151 πνεῦμα pneuma of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you.

(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy GhostG4151 πνεῦμα pneuma, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

PARACLETE 

Rabbinical term adopted from the Greek παράκλητός (= "advocate," "intercessor"): Targumic translation of (Job xvi. 20, xxxiii. 23):

jfb:  advocate — Greek,paraclete,” the same term as is applied to the Holy Ghost, as the “other Comforter”;

on the other hand, NO WHERE did jesus describe the παράκλητος paraklētos as a savior of mankind and/or a pardoner of their sins, after him

simply no where.

  1. moreover, jesus NEVER referred to the παράκλητος paraklētos  as the forgiver of sins - and/or an intercessor like himself. 

  2. apparently, that role was solely reserved for jesus christ, as just seen.  1Jo 2:1   THE HUMAN parakletos παράκλητος  advocate.

 

 

compare

jesus' dual nature
and the paps which thou hast sucked

(Luke 11:27 KJV) And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

(Luke 23:29 KJV) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

 

 

4:117. They invoke in His stead only females; they pray to none else than Satan, a rebel 

 

 

 

STILL A HUMAN BEING - parakletos

like unto the Son of man
papsG3149
μαστός mastos mas-tos'

(Revelation 1:13 KJV) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the papsG3149 μαστός mastos mas-tos' with a golden girdle.

G3149 μαστός mastos mas-tos'

From the base of G3145; a (properly female) breast (as if kneaded up): - pap.

 

the physical resurrection & ascension

(Luke 24:39 KJV) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

(Luke 24:40 KJV) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

(Luke 24:51 KJV) And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

(Acts 7:55 KJV) But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

(Acts 7:56 KJV) And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

(Revelation 15:6 KJV) And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

 

 

the 'NEW' pauline 
INNOVATION &
distinction introduced 

A_F_T_E_R  jesus christ

the Spirit with 'H_U_M_A_N'   ATTRIBUTES

 

the Spirit itself maketh INTERCESSION for us;

the Spirit, because he maketh INTERCESSION;

(Romans 8:26 KJV) Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh INTERCESSIONG5241 ὑπερεντυγχάνω huperentugchanō hoop-er-en-toong-khan'-o for us with G_R_O_A_N_I_N_G_S which cannot be uttered.

(Romans 8:27 KJV) And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is THE  M_I_N_D  of the Spirit, because he maketh INTERCESSIONG1793 ἐντυγχάνω entugchanō for the  S_A_I_N_T_S according to the will of God.

 

please note that 'the Spirit' was "different" and "distinct" from the johannine holy ghost/spirit. 

however, the most important difference to note is that 'the Spirit' in romans cited above, DID NOT SUCCEED jesus christ as another παράκλητος paraklētos.

 

rather, 'the Spirit' was working independently. and not once was it referred to as the [holy ghost/spirit] - παράκλητος paraklētos .

  1. only jesus spoke about the παράκλητος paraklētos - as his successor.

  2. ONLY "HE" was the spirit of truth and the holy ghost. 

  3. whereas, 'the Spirit' in romans was independent of the johannine παράκλητος paraklētos.

 

G225 ἀλήθεια alētheia al-ay'-thi-a

the Spirit <pneuma> of truthG225 <ἀλήθεια alētheia al-ay'-thi-a>

John 14:16 (KJVSL) And  I  will pray  the Father  and  he shall give  you  another <allos> Comforter <parakletos>,  

John 14:17 (KJVSL) [Even] the Spirit <pneuma> of truth G225 <ἀλήθεια alētheia al-ay'-thi-a>

please note the distinction between the 2-two different kind of spirits depicted above. one [johannine] should not be confused with the other [pauline/romans].

 

barnes:

Another Comforter. Jesus had been to them a counsellor, a guide, a friend, while he was with them. .....The other Comforter was to be given as a compensation for his absence, or to perform the offices toward them which he would have done if he had remained personally with them.

gill: 

and he shall give you another Comforter. This is no inconsiderable proof of a trinity of persons in the Godhead; here is the Father prayed unto, the Son in human nature praying, and the Holy Ghost the Comforter prayed for;  

John 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive,.... These words explain who is meant by the Comforter, "even the Spirit of truth"; the true Spirit of God

 

question

anyhow if jesus, the first Paraclete saved his people from their sins - and, the holy ghost vis-à-vis  another Paraclete did not then something was terribly wrong here.

  1. the above intercessor-spirit - (Romans 8:26, 27 KJV);

  2. was not another Paraclete, of the biblical era,

  3. mentioned/prophesied by jesus.

  4. the intercessor-spirit - (Romans 8:26, 27 KJV) -

  5. DID NOT SUCCEED JESUS.
    NOR did jesus pray for the intercessor-spirit;

  6. to succeed him--jesus.

if otherwise, then COULD YOU PLEASE REINTERPRET THE ABOVE, CITING ONLY the  4 canonical gospels, attributed to jesus' 4 or all 12  - handpicked apostles - the divinely inspired authors?

 
PAUL OF TARSUS WAS NOT ONE OF THEM, so count him out!
 
disillusioned Catholics

20070909/ap_on_re_eu/austria_pope

 

By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 53 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - Pope Benedict XVI, reaching out TO DISILLUSIONED CATHOLICS ACROSS EUROPE, ended a three-day Austria pilgrimage Sunday with a Mass in Vienna and a stop at a medieval abbey that drew tens of thousands of cheering faithful.

Throughout the visit, disinterested passers-by were seen strolling nonchalantly past giant video screens showing the pontiff.

Benedict's trip has focused on REACHING OUT TO JADED CATHOLICS, not just in Austria but across Europe.

THOUSANDS OF AUSTRIAN CATHOLICS HAVE FORMALLY RENOUNCED THEIR CHURCH AFFILIATIONS IN RECENT YEARS,

 

 

 

and rise of Islam — in Europe

Religion

 

that I might gain the more
I am made all things to all men

 

 

a must read  

 

NPR : Pope Sees Pain Abroad, Fears Islam in Europe

 by Liane Hansen and Sylvia Poggioli 

Weekend Edition Sunday , April 8, 2007 · During an Easter mass at the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI seeks to draw attention to many of the world's trouble spots, from Iraq to Africa. 

But the pontiff's daily concerns include the erosion of the Catholic faithand rise of Islam — in Europe.

 

 May 14, 1999 - John Paul II kisses the Koran (Qu'ran) at the Vatican.

 

To the objectors who claim that this book was not the Koran, we present an excerpt from an interview with FIDES News Service (June 1, 1999). In it, Chaldean Catholic Patriarch Raphael I affirmed that he was present when John Paul II kissed the Muslim "holy" book:

 

For the full text of the interview, click here.
POPE KISSES the KORAN @ TraditionInAction.org

 

BATTLE FOR THE BIBLE

How, in a Europe dominated by the Roman Catholic Church, did the Reformation emerge that would question the very foundations of the Church?

With or without Wycliffe's active involvement, the English Bible became part of an underground movement that became known as Lollardy and continued to spread after Wycliffe's death in 1384. It worried Church authorities enough that by 1407 the English translation was denounced as unauthorized, and translating or using translated Bibles was defined as heresy -- a crime for which the punishment was death by burning. In 1415 Wycliffe himself was denounced, posthumously, as a heretic. His body was exhumed and burned in 1428.

 

Jack Van Impe

"Master Of Memory; Minister Of Compromise"

By Dr. Ken Johnson

[Copyright 1995 by Ken Johnson.]

JVI is now selling a video tape of some one hour and forty minutes filled with definitions of the "Five Fundamentals" which embraces the doctrine of Pope John Paul II and Catholicism (quaintly referred to as "Classical Catholicism".) In the May/June 1985 issue of Perhaps Today JVI writes, "Religion has been responsible for the death of millions over the centuries."9 Perhaps JVI might do a bit of his "hours" of study in history and determine who killed whom in the list referred to in his April/May 1984 article (supra.) Perhaps today (pardon the pun) as a Baptist, I might not be considered too "intemperate" if I ask if this is the same Catholic body that slaughtered some 50 million Baptists from 600 A.D. to 1600 A.D.?

 

the divine vis-à-vis mystery concept 
OF 2--TWO

[1] & [2]

 

their selfish desires and a lust for life preferred over the profound divine blessings 

thou desiredst

(Deuteronomy 5:25 KJVA)[1]  Now therefore why should we die?[1] for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of YHVH[1] (יהוה) - LORD our  אלהים   'ĕlôhîym   el-o-heem' - GOD any more, then we shall die.[2]

(Deuteronomy 18:16 KJV)[2]  According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of YHVH[2] (יהוה) - LORD my אלהים  'ĕlôhîym   el-o-heem' - GOD, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

 

that I die not  

so, whatever of the DIVINE BLESSINGS; 

the children of israel desired NOT;

THAT in turn, WAS GIVEN to the children of ISHMAEL FOREVER!

[SEE the irrefutable and irrevocable scriptural evidence and proof cited herein.]

 

 

contradiction  --  excerpts

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 inspiration of the Bible;

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the Deity, Incarnation 

the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself 

 

question

  1. what is the meaning of: 'the VERBAL[???] inspiration of the Bible'?? 

  2. WHERE in the bible did the lord god of israel say/declare that ?

  3. as far as i know and believe, the bible alludes to no such thing!

  4. therefore, could it be a personal innovation only? 

  5. it could well be, unless of course it could be PROVED otherwise.

please quote only the new testament to prove otherwise since, it was written well OVER 3 - 11 decades AFTER the mission and life of jesus himself. 

 

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in spite of an auto-response acknowledgment of  my email dated march 27, 2007 and several reminders thereof,  JACK VAN IMPE  - had failed to date to answer my original inquiry re:  

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FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURAL TREND ONLY
AND MAKE THE CONNECTION

'the word' - 'ο  λόγος, lógos'[2]

 

question

  1. WHAT was the true nature of 'the word' - 'ο  λόγος, lógos'??

  2. first of, there were 2-two diametrically opposite versions - renditions that were presented to the christian world; 

  3. one of which namely, the pauline or the trinitarian version, 

  4. was no more than faith-based for millenniums;

  5.  rather, then a scripture-based concept vis-à-vis the divinely revealed truth and reality.

 

 

ANOTHER CHOICE
The Teaching of Ahmed Deedat

By Samuel Green

 

 

John 1:1 The Word was God.

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . John 1:1&14  

Answering Islam

 

[was this the latest edition/revision?, ali kenadianCanada]

 

whereas, the non-pauline and/or the non-trinitarian version, as depicted in the vulgate text, etc., had been mistranslated and/or ignored and excluded for the same length of time, by the vast majority of the christians themselves.

 

clarke:  ........ Or, God was the Logos:

'and (^?) god was THE WORD'

 

Samuel Green CONTRADICTS HIMSELF

and God was the Logos

deedat

 

the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself 

 

an important scriptural
sequence and context;
MOSTLY UNPRESERVED AND 
MISREPRESENTED in most of the 
known english translations 


mystery concept of 2--two

[1] & [2]

 

 the god 

[1]    

 

and god

[2]  

 

[2]

 

toward the god

 

 

(2 Peter 1:20 KJV) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

dire warning

(Revelation 22:18 KJV)[1] 

  1. For I testify unto every man that heareth 

  2. the words of the prophecy 

  3. of this book

  4. If any man shall add unto these things, 

  5. God shall add unto him the plagues  

  6. that are written 

  7. in this book:

 

vis-à-vis

 

(Revelation 22:19 KJV)[2] 

  1. And if any man shall take away from 

  2. the words of the book 

  3. of this prophecy

  4. God shall take away his part out of 

  5. the book of life, and out of the holy city, 

  6. and from the things which are written 

  7. in this book.  [19]

 

 

challenging the very foundation 
of the pauline christianity

vis-à-vis 

the trinitarian christianity; 
 their unfathomable doctrines; 
cruci_FICTion  &  christology

 

the scriptural climax
and a powerful death blow

 

Art thou he that should come?
or look we for another?

 

 

CONTRADICTING the new testament

 

The Gospel According to John

Return to Index.  

Chapter 1  

1

1.    In the beginning was the Word-λόγος,[1] 

2.    the Word-λόγος[2]  was with ELOHIYM, [God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 -plural]

3.    and the Word-λόγος[3]  was EL. [אל  'êl410 - singular

[emphasis added, ali kenadian  ]

 

2   The same was in the beginning with ELOHIYM. [God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 -plural]  

 

compare

Johannes 1:1 (LGB) 
1 Im Anfang war das Wort, 
und das Wort war bei Gott, 
und Gott war das Wort.

 

the unsolvable christian predicament 

even if the above transliteration and its english translation was faithful and accurate to the letter, still the pauline vis-à-vis the trinitarian christians have a bigger and insurmountable dilemma on their hand.

for all practical purposes, the said jesus christ, the word vis-à-vis 'the word is god/made flesh,' is NOT a UNIQUE divine entity anymore. 

BECAUSE by all scriptural accounts only, jesus christ, the word is  EL - [אל  'êl410 - singular/ made flesh; was simply one of the  many gods-'ĕlôhîym430 in that hierarchy/pleroma.  

 

compare

Jehovah your God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 is God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 of gods,ĕlôhîym430

 

(Psalms 82:1 KJV+)  A Psalm of Asaph. 

1.     GodH430 אלהים 'ĕlôhîym el-o-heem'

 

2.     standeth in the assembly of *God,H410 אל 'êl ale 

he judgeth among 

 

3.     the gods.H430 אלהים 'ĕlôhîym el-o-heem'

 

H410 אל 'êl ale

H430 אלהים 'ĕlôhîym el-o-heem'

 

 

19-NINETEEN

H426 אלהּ 'ĕlâhh el-aw'

(Chaldee); corresponding to H433; God: - God, god.

 

Lexicon Results for 'elahh (Aramaic) (Strong's H426)

Hebrew for H426.  masculine noun.  corresponding to H433

 

(Daniel 2:18 KJV)

That they would desire mercies of the GodH426 אלהּ 'ĕlâhh el-aw' of heaven concerning this secret;

(Daniel 2:19 KJV)

Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the GodH426 אלהּ 'ĕlâhh el-aw' of heaven.  19-NINETEEN

(Daniel 2:20 KJV)

Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of GodH426 אלהּ 'ĕlâhh el-aw' for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

 

(Daniel 11:36 MKJV)

the God אל 'êl ale.410,    of gods,אל  'êl410  -   [19 x 2]

 

(Daniel 2:47 MKJV) 

The king answered Daniel and said, It is true that

  1.   your God אלהּ 'ĕlâhh H426  
  2. is a God אלהּ 'ĕlâhh H426 of gods, אלהּ 'ĕlâhh H426  
  3. that your ELAHH is a ELAHH of gods
  4. and a Lord of kings, 
  5. and a revealer of secrets, 
  6. since you could reveal this secret. 

[7 x 7]

your God426 is a God426 of gods,426

 H426

H426. אלהּ. אֱלָהּ ‎ ĕlâhh.

el-aw'

(Chaldee); corresponding to H433; God: - God, god.  

 

Polyglot Bible: Revelation: H426
The Polyglot Bible, full text etext at sacred-texts.com ... H426.
אלהּ. אֱלָהּ ‎ ĕlâhh. el-aw (Chaldee); corresponding to 433 God: - God, god.

 

(Psalms 95:3 KJV+) 

  1. For the LORDH3068 יהוה yehôvâh is 
  2. a great1419 God אל 'êl ale.410 
  3. and a great1419 King 
  4. above all gods430.  
  5. [19 x 5; 17 7 x 2 & 19]

 

114) Sūrat An-Nās    [19 x 6]

Qul 'A`ūdhu Birabbin-Nās (1).

Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,

Malikin-Nās (2).

The King of mankind,

'Ilahin-Nās (3). [אֱלוַֹהּ ‎ ‘ĕlôahh ]

The God of mankind,

 

AVGod 52, god 5

[GOD (ARAB WITH ART 

OF THE TRUE GOD--ALLAH;]

 

The Hebrew form Eloah (אלוה, which looks as though it might be a singular form of Elohim) is comparatively rare, occurring only in poetry and late prose (in the Book of Job, 41 times). What is probably the same divine name is found in Arabic (Ilah as singular "a god", as opposed to Allah meaning "The God" or "God") and in Aramaic (Elaha).

 

Deuteronomy 10:17 MKJV) 

For Jehovah your God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 is God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 of gods,ĕlôhîym430  and Lord of lords, a great god-EL. [אל  'êl410 - singular], the mighty, and a terrible God, who does not respect persons nor take a bribe.

 

(Deuteronomy 32:15 KJV) 

then he forsook GodH433 אלהּ אלוהּ 'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah  which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

(Deuteronomy 32:17 KJV) 

They sacrificed unto devils, not to GodH433 אלהּ אלוהּ 'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah   to gods430 whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

 

(Joshua 22:22 MKJV) 

Jehovah, the God of gods, -  The LORD3068 God אל 'êl ale.410 of gods,ĕlôhîym430

Jehovah, the God of gods  -  the LORD3068 God אל 'êl ale.410 of gods,ĕlôhîym430 he1931 .... in transgression against Jehovah (you shall not save us alive today),

(Psalms 136:2 MKJV) Oh give thanks to the God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 of gods,ĕlôhîym430 ; for His mercy endures forever.

 

the God אל 'êl ale.410, of gods,אל  'êl410

(Daniel 11:36 MKJV) And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god אל 'êl ale.410 and shall speak marvelous things against the God אל 'êl ale.410, of gods אל 'êl ale.410, and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done. [19 x 2]

H410

אל

'êl

ale

Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”  

 

(Deuteronomy 32:18 KJV) 

Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God;H410 אל 'êl that formed thee.

(Deuteronomy 32:21 KJV) 

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God;H410 אל 'êl;

 

YE   HAVE   NEED

THAT  O_N_E

  TEACH  Y_O_U  AGAIN

 

 

THE STONE  
WHICH THE BUILDERS  REJECTED,

THE KINGDOM OF GOD
SHALL BE TAKEN FROM YOU

 

 question
 
which kingdom of god will you and your fellow pauline/ trinitarian christians including paul of tarsus, ever INHERIT as you've proclaimed week AFTER WEEK on your program -  Jack Van Impe Ministries??
 
 
jesus himself said no such thing! 
 
WHY DO YOU DURING YOUR WEEKLY TELECAST?

 

Jack_Van_Impe

Over the years, Van Impe has set many specific years and dates for the second coming of Jesus, but has continued to move his prediction later. Many of these dates have already passed, and he recently pointed to 2012 as a possible date for the second coming. 

Van Impe no longer claims to know the exact date of the Second Coming of Christ, but quotes verses which imply that humankind should know when the second coming is near. Prior to January 1, 2000, Van Impe frequently predicted widespread catastrophe resulting from the Y2K problem, which he believed was a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. His predictions, however, proved inaccurate.

 

 

blatant violation of the scriptures

(Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV)[1]

(Revelation 22:18 KJV)[1]

 

(Deuteronomy 12:32 KJV)[2] What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

(Revelation 22:19 KJV)[2]  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

 

FALSE and misleading translation

DISPLACEMENT of  scriptural words,

 contexts and connotations  

 

(John 1:1 GNT-TR)  

1.     εν αρχη ην ο λογος[1]

2.     και ο λογος[2] ην 

προς τον θεον[a*] [1]

3.     και θεος[b*] ην ο λογος[3 ]  

 

 

Johannes 1:1 (LGB) 
1 Im Anfang war das Wort, 
und das Wort war bei Gott
und Gott war das Wort.

 

the scriptural climax
and a powerful death blow

 

 

whimsical and misleading rendition  into english, propagated in the christendom for millenniums

  1. rest assured, although the pauline christianity is fraught with paul's explicit and implicit lies and deceptions;
  2. as admitted in his own words and quoted herein;
  3. we cannot find a bigger lie, distortion;
  4. and a deliberate misrepresentation 
  5. of the christian scripture and faith;
  6. than the following:

 

COLLABORATION AND EVIDENCE

 

ANOTHER CHOICE
The Teaching of Ahmed Deedat

By Samuel Green

 

John 1:1 The WORD[i] was GOD[ii].

 

 

AND GOD[ii] WAS THE WORD[i]

 

unfortunately, most of all pauline vis-à-vis trinitarian christians do not understand the inner meaning and significance of the above because of the wrong, false and misleading greek and english translations per se.

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD was GOD ... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . John 1:1&14  

[was this the latest edition/ revision?, ali kenadianCanada ]

 

compare

(John 1:1 GNT-TR)

  1.   εν αρχη ην ο λογος

  2. και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον

  3. και θεος ην ο λογος

  4. AND GOD WAS THE WORD.

Johannes 1:1 (LGB) 
  1. Im Anfang war das Wort, 
  2. und das Wort war bei Gott, 
  3. und Gott war das Wort.

 

collaboration and evidence

John 1:14

(John 1:14 KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

(John 1:14   CEV)  The Word became a human being and lived here with us. We saw his true glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father. From him all the kindness and all the truth of God have come down to us.

  (John 1:14   HNV)  The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

(John 1:14   LITV)  And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. 

(John 1:14   RV)  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. 

(John 1:14   WNT)  And the Word came in the flesh, and lived for a time in our midst, so that we saw His glory--the glory as of the Father's only Son, sent from His presence. He was full of grace and truth. 

and so on! their fervent enthusiasm and faith simply swells with each new edition. and the end is not in sight as yet.

 

a judicious analysis of the text vis-à-vis scripture under review

John 1:1 The Word[3] was God.

 

(John 1:1 KJV) 

1.    In the beginning was the Word[1]

2.    AND the Word[2]  

was with (^?) God[1], 

ELOHIYM, [God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 -plural]

 

3.   John 1:1 The Word[3] was God. [2]

[אל  'êl410 - singular

[emphasis added, ali kenadianCanada ]

 

προς τον  θεον[a*]

( τον --the  ^?) excluded in the english translations; words displaced and meanings changed to suit their own purpose.

 

Word, The
(Gr. Logos), one of the titles of our Lord, found only in the writings of John (Joh_1:1-14; 1Jo_1:1; Rev_
19:13).

clarke:  And the Word was God - Or, God was the Logos:

specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ):

 

(John 1:2 KJV) The same was in the beginning

 with (^? ) God[1], 

ELOHIYM, [God אלהים 'ĕlôhîym430 -plural]

 

προς τον  θεον[a*]

( τον --the  ^?) excluded in the english translations & the meaning changed to suit their own purpose.

 

stupendous question

did the said 'Divine Expression' / Or, God was the Logos vis-à-vis  'the Trinity of the Godhead', etc., apply to jesus christ in any sense of the word at all? 

 

the imprudent trinitarians vis-à-vis the pauline christians DEFEATED their own purpose.

BECAUSE,  for what it's worth, NO such thought, text, context or connotation EVER EXISTED in the ORIGINAL Textus Receptus of the Greek & VULGATE per se

 

John Chapter 1

1:1. In the beginning was the Word[1]: and the Word[2] was with God: and the Word[3] was God.
In principio erat Verbum[1] et Verbum[2] erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum[3]

Holy Bible. The Douay-Rheims version, with hyperlinks to the Catholic Encyclopedia.
 
 
In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was by God and God was the word.

 

 

(2 Peter 1:20 KJV)
Knowing this first,
that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation.

 

an official word for word transliteration and translation, linked to the original christian web site, for your perusal and verification.

G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom)

  please always remember the hi-lighted portion of john 1:1 quoted here above.

 

The Concordant Literal New Testament

John’s Account

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

Chapter 1

1 In the beginning was the word, 

and the word was toward God

and God was the word.

2 This was in the beginning toward God.

Concordant Literal New Testament

 

  • G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to

    The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc. ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to

 

compare

an incomplete translation  vis-à-vis distortion of the original. 

This is not true! Ahmed Deedat has got it wrong. Here is the Scripture:

The first occurrence is TON THEON and not HOTHEOS as Ahmed Deedat claims.

The second occurrence is THEOS and not TONTHEOS as Ahmed Deedat claims.

the definite article; the (.... at others omitted, in English idiom

 

compare

however, the christian evidence and proof speak to the contrary.

 

The first occurrence is TON THEON

G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to

john 1:1,2  

The first occurrence is TON THEON and not HOTHEOS as Ahmed Deedat claims.

Joh 1:1 j
  1. G3588 ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to

    The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc. ὁ, ἡ, τό ho hē to ho, hay, to

 

hath more abounded through my lie (Romans 3:7 KJV)

(John 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(John 1:2 KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.

 

compare

toward the god

 

 

The Concordant Literal New Testament

John’s Account

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

Chapter 1

1 In the beginning was the word, 

and the word was toward God

and God was the word.

2 This was in the beginning toward God.

Concordant Literal New Testament

 

 

A SHOCKING TRANSITION OF 

'THE GOD'

INTO  SIMPLY

 

'and (^?) god was THE WORD'

 

The second occurrence is THEOS and not TONTHEOS as Ahmed Deedat claims.

 

clarke:  ........ Or, God was the Logos:

 

the infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture to be Scripture itself 

>>

 

WRESTLING 
with
the reconstructed & mind boggling
sentence 

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses and John 1:1  

and the Word was a god

Online Bible: New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

 

1.   and the Word was a god

2.   CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."  The New World Translation

3.  and the Word[1] was A god[2].
This one was in [the] beginning
with God. [new world translation of the holy scriptures, 1984, pp. 1281]

  • 1808    'and the word was _ A_ god'

  • 1864   'and _ A_ god was the WORD'  

  • 1935    'and the word was DIVINE'

  • 1950    'and the word was _ A_ god' 

  • 1975    'and _ A_ god [or, of _ A_ divine kind] was the WORD'

  • 1978    'and GODLIKE SORT was the LOGOS'  

  • 1979    'and _ A_ god was the LOGOS

therefore, john's statement that the word or logos was A god or divine or godlike DOES NOT mean that he was the god with whom he was, it merely expresses a certain quality about the word or logos BUT IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY HIM AS ONE AND THE SAME AS GOD HIMSELF  [new world translation of the holy scriptures, 1984, pp. 1579] [Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site]

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N S B Notes: Non-Trinitarian Bible Translations


COMPARE John 1:1: Approximately four hundred and fifty English translations of the Christian Greek Holy Scriptures have been written over the past five hundred years. Of this total, about forty have rendered John 1:1 with wording that is different then the usual Trinitarian statement: “the Word was God”.

The following
Bible translations of John 1:1 would indicate that perhaps these were Non-Trinitarian Bible Translations. Other important Scripture verses would also need to be examined to determine how non-Trinitarian they really were. Some of these translations read very much like the Trinitarian Biased Translations in other verses.

Reijnier Rooleeuw, 1694, "and the Word was
a god"

Harwood, 1768, "and was himself a
divine person"

Newcome, 1808, "and the word was
a god"

Abner Kneeland, 1822, "The Word was
a God"

Thompson, 1829, "the Logos was
a god

Leicester Ambrose, 1879, "And the logos was
a god"

Stage, 1907, "Das Wort war selbst gttlichen Wesens" [The Word/word was itself a
divine Being/being].

Charles A.L. Totten, 1900, "the Word was Deistic [=The Word was
Godly]

J.N. Jannaris, 1901, [A]nd was
a god"

George William Horner, 1911, [A]nd (a) God was
the word"

Holzmann, 1926, "ein Gott war der Gedanke" [a God/god was
the Thought/thought]

Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 "and the Logos was
divine (a divine being)"

Ernest Findlay Scott, 1932, "[A]nd the Word was of
divine nature"

William Temple, Archbishop of York, 1933, "And the Word was
divine."

Rittenlmeyer, 1938, "selbst ein Gott war das Wort" [itself a God/god
was the Word/word]

Goodspeed, 1939, "the Word was
divine

Lyder Brun (Norw. professor of NT theology), 1945, "Ordet var av guddomsart" [the Word was of
divine kind]

Ervin Edward Stringfellow (Prof. of NT Language and Literature/Drake
University, 1943, "And the Word was
Divine"

Torrey, 1947, "the Word was god

Pfaefflin, 1949, "war von gttlicher Wucht [was of divine Kind/kind]

James L. Tomanec, 1958, [T]he Word was
a God"

New English, 1961, "what God was,
the Word was"

Cotton Parch Version, 1970, and the Idea and God
were One

Moffatt, 1972, "the Logos was
divine

Translator's NT, 1973, "The Word was with God and
shared his nature

Philip Harner, 1974, "The Word had
the same nature as God"

Maximilian Zerwich S.J./Mary Grosvenor, 1974, "The Word was divine"

Siegfried Schulz, 1975, "And a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word"

Barclay, 1976, "the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God"

Schneider, 1978, "and godlike sort
was the Logos

Schonfield, 1985, "the Word was divine”

Revised English, 1989, "what God was, the Word was”

TRANSLATIONS THAT CAN BE READ ONLINE:

2001 TRANSLATION, "In an ancient time, there was the Word. The word was with God and
the Word was powerful."

NEW WORLD TRANSLATION, 1950/1963/1984, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

NEW SIMPLIFIED BIBLE, 2003, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was like God.

The New Simplified Bible is Not Trinitarian Biased! John 1:1, 18; 8:58; 10:34-36; 14:10, 11, 17; 16:13-15; Exodus 3:14, 15 and many other references give evidence of this.

COMPARE John 14:10: Now let’s compare how John 14:10 is translated in several modern translations. The phrase in question is “I am in the Father” and “the Father is in me.” One would think that Jesus and the Father were one and the same being from this wording. However, the Greek word
“en” they translated “in.” It can also be translated “with.” Notice the comparison:

1769 Authorized Version of KJV: “I am in the Father.”
1902 Rotherham Bible: “I am in the Father.”
1933 George M Lamsa Translation: “I am
with the Father.”
1961 New World Translation: “I am in
union with the Father.”
1989 New Revised Standard Version: “I am in the Father.”
1995 New American Standard Bible: “I am in the Father.”
2000 New International Version: “I am in the Father.”
2001 2001 Translation: I’m in
unity with the Father.”
2003 New Simplified Bible: “I am
with the Father.”

Nearly all English Bible translations use the phrase “I am in the Father” at John 14:10. This time we find four translations
that do not emphasize the false and mysterious Trinity. They are the New World Translation, George M Lamsa Translation, the 2001 Translation, and the New Simplified Bible.

COMPARE John 8:58: Take a closer look at John 8:58. Most Bible translations use the
deliberate Trinitarian phrase, “Before Abraham was, I am.” This is Jesus Christ the Son of God speaking. They want you to think that phrase “I am” means God. But does it? Or does it simply mean “I exist (existed).” The word they translated “am” is from the Greek “eimi.” It has several meanings including: am, exist, and was. Notice how the the translations compare:

1611 King James Version: “I am”
1901 American Standard Version: “I am”
1933 George M Lamsa Translation:
“I was”
1961 New World Translation:
“I have been”
1989 New Revised Standard Version: “I am”
1995 New American Standard Bible: “I am”
2ooo New International Version: “I am”
2001 2001 Translation:
“I existed before Abraham was born.”
2003 New Simplified Bible:
“I existed before Abraham was born”

Again we find the same four translations that champion
the true God of the Bible, a Monotheistic Deity. They are the New World Translation, George M Lamsa Translation, the 2001 Translation, and the New Simplified Bible.


COMPARE Exodus 3:14: This is where the devious conspiracy begins!
The Trinitarian translators mislead the unsuspecting Bible student at the very begininng of the the Holy Scriptures. The Hebrew word that they translate “I AM WHO I AM” is “hayah.” It can be translated “am”, “have been”, “will become”, “exist”, remain”, “will be”. Look at these translation comparisons:

1611 King James Version: “I AM THAT I AM”
1901 American Standard Version: “I AM THAT I AM”
1933 George M Lamsa Translation:
“I am AHIAH ASHAR HIGH, (that is, THE LIVING GOD)
1961 New World Translation: “
I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE”
1989 New Revised Standard Version: “I AM WHO I AM”
1995 New American Standard Bible: “I AM WHO I AM”
2ooo New International Version: “I AM WHO I AM”
2001 2001 Translation: “
I am the One Who [Proves] to Be!”
2003 New Simplified Bible:
[I exist and] I will be who I will be”

Again we find only four English translations that
recognize the true God of the Holy Scriptures. These translations are the New World Translation, George M Lamsa Translation, the 2001 Translation, and the New Simplified Bible.

Do you see the difference?
The Trinitarian translators want you to believe that God is called “I AM” in the “Old Testament” and Jesus is called “I AM” in the “New Testament” and, therefore, they must be the same…and part of a mysterious, inscrutable, combination of three-Gods-in-one or God in three persons. This mystifying belief is even beyond the average human imagination. Only Satan the devil could have thought up such deceit and confusion!

regardless,  jesus then, was the WORD, which not only preceded THE GOD, the father in the beginning, BUT ALSO successfully converted him.
  • and/or 'THE GODJOURNEYED TOWARDS THE WORD;
  • and the TWO then COLLIDED;

 

 

The Concordant Literal New Testament

John’s Account

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

Chapter 1

1 In the beginning was the word, 

and the word was toward God

and God was the word.

2 This was in the beginning toward God.

Concordant Literal New Testament

 

(John 1:2 GNT-TR)  

ουτος ην εν αρχη  

προς τον θεον[a*] [1]  

 

G4314 --  πρός     pros    pros
     
motion towards
, accession to, or nearness at.

A strengthened form of G4253; a preposition of direction; forward to, that is, toward (with the genitive case the side of, that is, pertaining to; with the dative case by the side of, that is, near to; usually with the accusative case the place, time, occasion, or respect, which is the destination of the relation, that is, whither or for which it is predicated): - about, according to, against, among, at, because of, before, between, ([where-]) by, for, X at thy house, in, for intent, nigh unto, of, which pertain to, that, to (the end that), + together, to ([you]) -ward, unto, with (-in). In compounds it denotes essentially the same applications, namely, motion towards, accession to, or nearness at.

 

result

tragically, the god lost his divinity, godhood, supremacy  and primacy all at once.

 

2.     και ο λογος[2] ην 

and the WORD was

προς τον θεον[a*]

TOWARD THE GOD

 

'and (^?) god was THE WORD'

 

 

 

 

interesting facts

τον3588   θεον2316   

και2532  θεος2316

ην2258  ο3588  λογος3056     

  

τον3588  and ο3588

 

1.  although, the meanings of the 2 scriptural words namely: τον3588  and ο3588  ;  

2.  were the same or similar;  

3.  and also the same set of rules applied in both cases;  

4.  the rules were arbitrarily changed;   

5.  because of own baseless traditions and beliefs thereof.  

G3588

ὁ, ἡ, τό

ho  hē  to

ho, hay, to

The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

 

 

John 1: 1 - 3

  1. In the beginning was the word, 

  2. and the word was toward God

  3. and God was the word

  4. This was in the beginning toward God.

Concordant Literal New Testament

 

result: 

  • the god--τον3588   θεον2316 then became  ===> 'god-  θεος2316 ' - vis-à-vis an inferior entity;
  • destined for conversion; 
  • the definite article WAS DROPPED.

 

  • whereas, the word--ο3588  λογος3056 remained ===> 'the word -- ο3588  λογος3056'  ;
  • and also became all the more powerful in that new hierarchy/pleroma;  
  • the definite article WAS RETAINED TO GIVE HIM THAT SUPREMACY AND PRIMACY over 'god-  θεος2316'.

 

'and (^?)  god was THE WORD'

 

 

  1. 1864   'and _ A_ god was the WORD'

  2. 1979    'and _ A_ god was the LOGOS.  

    1. BUT IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY HIM AS ONE AND THE SAME AS GOD HIMSELF  
      [new world translation of the holy scriptures, 
      1984, pp. 1579].

 

question

WHICH one of these 2 'words - λόγος, lógos THEN, journeyed towards an unknown god, TO REGAIN HIS ORIGINAL GODHOOD?

 

further collaboration and evidence

 

compare

toward the god

 

  1. WHEN did that journey end, if ever?

  2. WHICH one of these 2 'words - λόγος, lógos ' became flesh AFTERWARDS, at john 1:14?
  3. please prove it only from verses john 1:1-2,14 under discussion.

 

the NON-CATHOLIC christians have  continually challenged the vatican's  NON-SCRIPTURAL authority AND CELIBACY

 

Vatican Reaffirms Celibacy for Priests

Associated Press

Vatican City, Nov. 16--The Vatican on Thursday reaffirmed the value of celibacy for priests after a summit led by Pope Benedict XVI that was spurred by a married African archbishop who has been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.

 

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

Watch Sex crimes and the Vatican

Catholic Church Settles Los Angeles Sex Abuse Cases for $660 Million

Sunday, July 15, 2007

LOS ANGELES —  The nation's largest Catholic archdiocese has settled its abuse cases for $660 million, by far the largest payout in the church's sexual abuse scandal, The Associated Press has learned.

The settlements push the total amount paid out by the U.S. church since 1950 to more than $2 billion, with about a quarter of that coming from the Los Angeles archdiocese.

 

 

Written to the Hebrews from Italy[2]

Hebrews  13  -  Italy[1]

Hebrews  13Italy[2]

 

 

(Hebrews 13:25 KJV) - Italy[2]

Grace be with you all. Amen. 

 <Written to the Hebrews from Italy[2]

by Timothy[2].>  

 

Marriage is honorable in all

(Hebrews 13:4 KJV)   [13 & 17]

Marriage is honourable in all,
and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers
and adulterers
God will judge.

 

  1. PETER, the so-called first pope; 

  2. PETER was a married disciple and an apostle of jesus;

  3. PETER was a CIRCUMCISED  jew;

  4. PETER was a CIRCUMCISED jew & the rock/stone foundation upon which jesus built his church.

  5. PETER was an apostle to the CIRCUMCISED jews;

  6. PETER preached the gospel of the circumcision;

(Matthew 8:14 KJV) And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

(Galatians 2:7 KJV) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

(Galatians 2:8 KJV) (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

 

please note that jesus himself chose a 'MARRIED' disciple and an apostle TO GUIDE HIS FLOCK with the other 11-eleven apostles.

(Hebrews 13:4 KJV) Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge

(Matthew 19:4 KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

(Matthew 19:5 KJV) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

(Matthew 19:6 KJV) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

another gospel

cherry picking

  • however, not only did the  vatican IGNORE JESUS' own teachings ;

  • and FAILED to follow his above cited example;

    but also the  vatican IGNORED paul's teaching;

    • (Hebrews 13:4 KJV) Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge

    • (Matthew 25:10 KJV) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

      (Matthew 25:11 KJV) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

      (Matthew 25:12 KJV) But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

      (Revelation 19:7 KJV) 

      • Let us be glad and rejoice, 
      • and give honour to him: 
      • for the marriage of the Lamb is come
      • and his wife hath made herself ready.

      (Revelation 19:8 KJV) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

      (Revelation 19:9 KJV) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

 

the vatican  followed paul of tarsus instead;

  • and his [pauline] teachings;

  • paul had clearly ABROGATED most, if not all of jesus' fundamental teachings.

(Galatians 1:6 KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

(Galatians 1:7 KJV) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

(Galatians 1:8 KJV) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

(Galatians 1:9 KJV) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

(Galatians 2:9 KJV) And when James, CephasG2786, and John, who seemed to be pillars,G4769, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

CephasG2786

Κηφᾶς

Kēphas

kay-fas'

Of Chaldee origin (compare [H3710]); the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), surname of Peter: - Cephas.

  CephasG2786     was  ====>  pillars,G4769

στύλος

stulos

stoo'-los

From στύω stuō (to stiffen; properly akin to the base of G2476); a post (“style”), that is, (figuratively) support: - pillar.

 

 

(1 Timothy 3:15 KJV) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself

·        in the house of God,

·        which is the church of 

the living God,

·        the pillar4769

·   and ground of the truth.

G4769

στύλος

stulos

Total KJV Occurrences: 4

pillar, 2

1Ti_3:15, Rev_3:12

pillars, 2

Gal_2:9, Rev_10:1

 

be ye followers of me [paul]

(1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV) Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

(1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV) be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

in spite of what jesus declared about 'simon peter',  paul did not give any kind of priority or primacy to peter himself.

moreover, there is no provision for the roman catholic papacy even in paul's teachings.

The Petrine Deception Volume 8, Issue 5 By Douglas S. Winnail 

Tomorrow’s World Facts of History 

BUT WAS PETER THE FIRST POPE TO PRESIDE IN ROME? EVEN CATHOLIC SOURCES ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE TERM "POPE" WAS NOT USED IN THE WEST "UNTIL THE FIRST HALF OF THE 5TH CENTURY" (Short Biographies of All the Popes, Lozzi Roma, p. 2). 

As scholar Hans Küng states: "Catholic theologians concede that there is no reliable evidence THAT PETER WAS EVER IN CHARGE OF THE CHURCH IN ROME AS SUPREME HEAD OR BISHOP" (The Catholic Church, Küng, p. 20). Professor Küng also mentions that "there could be no question of a legal primacy—or even of a pre-eminence based on the Bible—of the Roman community or even of the Bishop of Rome in the first centuries" (ibid., p. 49). The New Testament does not link Peter with Rome, and it mentions no successor to Peter. 

 

the vatican version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Pope 

Early history

Catholics say that the primacy of the papacy derives from Jesus Christ himself, while non-Catholic historians see the primacy of the pope as arising out of hundreds of years of church tradition. All agree that the Pope's role developed through history.

Early history It is generally accepted amongst most Catholic and non-Catholic historians that the institution of the papacy as it exists today developed through the centuries, after the traditional ARRIVAL OF PETER IN ROME C. 50. 

During the first century of the Christian Church, the Roman capital became recognized as a Christian center of exceptional note since it WAS FOUNDED BY ST. PETER, THE "PRINCE OF THE APOSTLES"; but there are only a few 1st century references to the r! ecogniti on of the authoritative primacy of the Roman See outside of Rome.

 MHCC;   Christ added that he had named him Peter, in allusion to his stability or firmness in professing the truth. The word translated “rock,” is not the same word as Peter, but is of a similar meaning. Nothing can be more wrong than to suppose that Christ meant the person of Peter was the rock. Without doubt Christ himself is the Rock, the tried foundation of the church; and woe to him that attempts to lay any other! Peter's confession is this rock as to doctrine.

 

But what does the Bible say?

No one can deny or find fault with FACTS. They are actualities! Plain facts concerning the Bible itself, its characters, statements, etc., educates and edifies. This includes Peter, for example, who is introduced in John 1:40-42. "When Jesus saw him He said, thou art Simon [one who hears], the son of Jona; thou shalt be Cephas, which is by interpretation, a stone." "Cephas" is Syriac; "Peter" is Greek. It was Peter who first preached the gospel of Christ to the Jewish nation and to the Gentiles. The fact remains however, that Peter (with the eleven) was an apostle only "to the circumcision," Israel. Galatians 2:7,9 reads: "When they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision [Gentiles] was committed unto me [Paul] as the gospel of [or 'to'] the circumcision was unto Peter; and when James, Cephas [Peter], and John who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me they gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship that we should go to the heathen (Gentiles) and they unto the circumcision" (Israel).

 

Who Heads the True Church?

The Jews knew from the old scriptures that the "Son of God" denoted Deity and that the Lord is called "a Rock": "He is THE ROCK... the Rock that begat thee... our Rock. Deut.32:4,18,31. "Who is a rock save our GOD?" Psalms 18:31. Thus the apostles had no misunderstanding of Christ's words after Peter's confession, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God," that not on a mere man, not on Peter ("Petros," a stone), but on this Rock ("Petra," a great rock, Christ) "I will build my church." Matt. 16:16,18.

Evidently, Christ's church is not built upon a mere man, but upon the foundation laid down by the apostles and prophets, "Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone." Eph. 2:20. To this Peter adds his testimony in 1 Peter 2:6-8, that Christ the chief cornerstone was the "stone which the builders (Jewish leaders) disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, a stone of stumbling and a ROCK of offence." All believers, including Peter, "as living stones are built up a spiritual house," v.5. As "one who hears" Simon Peter included himself among the "living stones" who have heard and believed the gospel, who in Christ "are builded together for the habitation of God through the Spirit." Eph. 2:21,22. "Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 3:11.

Truly, it is the Lord Jesus Christ, the FOUNDER of His church (Whom "God hath highly exalted and given a name which is above every name" Phil. 2:9), Who heads His church, NOT a succession of Adamic sinful human beings, elected by men of like Adamic nature, to become "Popes."

 

(Malachi 2:10 KJV) Have we not all one father? hath not one God אל  'êl  ale.410 created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

(John 17:11 KJV) And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

in the roman catholic christian world, the pope is the 'holy father,' see: the vatican web site.

and that being an irrefutable and irrevocable claim, is the pope then also claiming to be the god on earth as well, the 'holy father' of jesus christ himself?

 

consequences

ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves

(Matthew 23:8 KJV) But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

(Matthew 23:9 KJV) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

(Matthew 23:10 KJV) Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

(Matthew 23:15 KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

(2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

(2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

(2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

(2 Thessalonians 2:9 KJV) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

(2 Thessalonians 2:11 KJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(2 Thessalonians 2:12 KJV) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

the trinitarian christianity; 
 their unfathomable doctrines ;
cruci_FICTion  &  christology

 

THE REAL JESUS, 
[THE ESSENE JESUS], 
WAS NEVER CRUCIFIED

such was the the bloody stage set for the career of the crucified of pontius pilate, whom the church confounds and makes us confound with the REAL JESUS, [THE ESSENE JESUS, pp. 9], who never took any part in politics and who as we shall see, WAS NEVER CRUCIFIED -  [the essene origins of christianity, by edmond bordeaux szekely, [pp. 39] 

 

The Essene Origins of Christianity
Author(s): Szekely, Edmond B.
ISBN10:  0895640155
ISBN13:  9780895640154
Format:  Paperback
Pub. Date:  6/1/1981
Publisher(s): I B S Intl

 

 

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GUIDING THE HOLY BIBLE

WHICH IS THE TRUE - UNCORRUPTED 'HOLY BIBLE' AFTER ALL?

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the  new  testament  

AND there is no consistency within the new testament  pre se

 

Treasury of Scripture KnowledgeConcordance and Hebrew/GreekList Available Commentaries
No Images or Hymns AvailableVersions / TranslationsDictionary Aids

1Jo 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Available Translations and Versions for 1Jo 5:7
KJV - 1Jo 5:7 -  

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

King James Version 1611, 1769

NKJV - 1Jo' 5:7 -

 

The New King James Bible: Counterfeit.

 

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

 

Footnotes:
M-Text reads your.
NU-Text and M-Text omit the words from in heaven (verse 7) through on earth (verse 8). Only four or five very late manuscripts contain these words in Greek.
NU-Text reads God, that.
NU-Text omits the rest of this verse.
NU-Text reads him.

 

New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT - 1Jo 5:7 -  

So we have these three witnesses-

Footnote:
Some very late manuscripts add in heaven—the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And we have three witnesses on earth.

New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

NIV - 1Jo 5:7 -

 

For there are three that testify:


Footnote:
Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV - 1Jo 5:7 -

 

For there are three that testify:

The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles

NASB - 1Jo 5:7 -  

For there are three that testify:

New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV - 1Jo 5:7 -  

And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

ASV - 1Jo 5:7 -  

And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

American Standard Version 1901 Info

Young - 1Jo 5:7 -  

because three are who are testifying [in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

Darby - 1Jo 5:7 -  

For they that bear witness are three:

J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

Webster - 1Jo 5:7 -  

For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV - 1Jo 5:7 -  

For there are three who testify:

Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

1John 5:7

(MKJV)  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word - λόγος, lógos , and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 

(KJV)  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word- λόγος, lógos , and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 (KJVA)  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word- λόγος, lógos , and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 (KJVR)  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word- λόγος, lógos , and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 

(DRB)  And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word- λόγος, lógos , , and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. 

1 John 5:7 (WEB) For there are three who testify {Only a few recent manuscripts add "in heaven: the Father, the Word-λόγος, lógos',, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth"}:

    1John 5:7

     (MKJV)  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word - λόγος, lógos , and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.  

     (CEV)  In fact, there are three who tell about it.

      (ISV)  For there are three witnesses- 

     (LITV)  For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word-λόγος, lógos', and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

       (RV)  And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

     (Webster)  For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word-λόγος, lógos', and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

     (WNT)  For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

 

1 John 5:7  NKJV  [The New King James Bible: Counterfeit.]

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

1Jn 5:7 - 

1Jo 5:7
There are three that bear record in heaven. This verse is not found in the Revision or in any ancient MS.
It is no doubt an interpolation.

For there are three that bear record in heaven ... - There are three that “witness,” or that “bear witness” - the same Greek word which, in 1Jo_5:8, is rendered “bear witness” - μαρτυροῦντες  marturountes.

 It is not consistent with the design of these notes to go into a full investigation of a question of this sort.

 I. It is missing in all the earlier Greek manuscripts, for it is found in no Greek manuscript written before the 16th century. .... But it is incredible that a genuine passage of the New Testament should be missing in all the early Greek manuscripts.

II. It is missing in the earliest versions, and, indeed, in a large part of the versions of the New Testament which have been made in all former times. It is wanting in both the Syriac versions - one of which was made probably in THE FIRST CENTURY; in the Coptic, Armenian, Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Arabic.

III. It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity - a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have failed to be quoted if it were genuine; and it is not referred to by the Latin fathers until the time of Vigilius, at the end of the 5th century.

 (b) The “language” is not such as John would use. He does, indeed, elsewhere use the term “Logos,” or “Word” - ὁ Λόγος  ho Logos, Joh_1:1, Joh_1:14; 1Jo_1:1, but it is never in this form, “The Father, and the Word;” that is, the terms “Father” and “Word” are never used by him, or by any of the other sacred writers, as correlative.

 

SO NOW, we know WHY & WHAT paul exactly meant when he proclaimed:

(Romans 3:7 KJV) 

  1. For if the truth of God 

  2. hath more abounded through my lie  

  3. unto his glory; 

  4. why yet am

  5. also judged as a sinner?

 

Pope[1] John Paul II kissing the Islamic Koran  

 

 

 

 

    FAILED   

Pope[2] Benedict XVI

Sunday , April 8, 2007

among the pontiff's daily concerns ...

AND RISE OF ISLAM - in Europe

 


 
EROSION OF THE Catholic faith.  

Pope Benedict XVI
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Where is the original Quran ? The one in the temporal order
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:10 pm   

Post subject: Where is the original Quran ? 

The one in the temporal order

 
This question is prompted by the following thread

http://www.ismaili.net/html
but mostly this page mentioned in the above mentioned thread:

_http://www.aniskamdar.net/

The thread I could not follow much due to deletions
but the webpage is interesting.

This reminds me of some of the writings by the person
Navroz Ali Vasanji
under various nicks such as
kenadian, navali, and so in newsgroups
like alt.religion.islam.shia specifically in fights with akbarali meherali
aka .... [as he calls him]. (Note: I have no relation to him.)


He also has some pages like these:

navali/ya_ali_madad

navali/imamat1

 

You can google for him and the following
link will take you to
his interesting ideas in his posts.


http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=navali

The main aspect of his writings that I recall from cursory examination
were trying
to deduce some conclusions from Gita, Bible and HQuran.
Others were some arguments about Qadiani and Rashed Khalifa.
He also had some discussion with David Goldman who was a
Neturei Kartainik ie member of Neturei Karta, _www.nkusa.org.


http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=navali



The more interesting aspect of his conversation that I found was the one
that dealt with explaining the Holy Quran using his methods of emphasizing
and writing english to improve the comprehension of English translation.

If any of you can follow the links of google groups, and give a good expose
and understanding of the HQ
. Is there any work done to give the
HQ in its original temporal order ?
Navali's style of writing translation
was interesting and worth examining.

It seems ok to discuss some of these sticky issues. The situation
of the
Ummah itself speaks the poor comprehension and thus poor action
from poor
inspiration. There is considerable disharmony and fragmentation.
A lot of time its the lack of
intellectual component ie proper
comprehension.

 

for he shall save ===>HIS PEOPLE<====

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and

The author      : Father Zakaria Boutros

The publisher:  www.fatherzakaria.com

 http://www.islam-christianity.net/


Father Zakaria Boutros

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salaam,

this muslim, ali had written to you all several times in
the past seeking some bible based answers and
clarification, but received NO REPLY to any of his bible
based questions.

only Samuel Green, [email protected],
replied some of the times, giving his personal interpretations only.


however,
Monika <[email protected]>
, had just forwarded 'your links' to me, for reasons mentioned in her appended email.  please cc your reply to her as well.


the new testament asserts and i quote:


for he shall save    ===>HIS PEOPLE<====

first of, did mary, his mother believe that jesus was the promised world savior?

please quote her own words only from the 4 gospels only.

that said could you now, sir kindly explain the
following teachings of jesus himself and its overall
scope and impact both at the beginning and end
of his own personal mission just over 2000 years ago?

please quote ONLY jesus own teachings from the 4 canonical gospels, IMPARTED BY HIM during his lifetime and not after.

thanks and kind regards.


ali kenadian
canada


cited in jesus own words.
^^^^^


(Matthew 1:21 KJV)
And she [mary] shall bring forth a son, 
and thou shalt call his name JESUS
for he shall save

===>HIS PEOPLE<===

from their sins.



And they all forsook him, and fled

(Mark 14:50 Webster) 
And they all forsook him, and fled.


(Mark 14:51 Webster) 
And there followed him a certain young man,
having a linen cloth cast about his naked body;
and the young men laid hold on him.

(Mark 14:52 Webster) 
And he left the linen cloth,
and fled from them naked.

(Mark 14:53 Webster) 
And they led Jesus away
to the high priest:
===

so, jesus had no disciples at the end of his mission, right.
he was FORSAKEN BOTH BY GOD, HIS FATHER and his
disciples.

now explain the following.

(John 14:2 KJV)
In my Father's house3614 [strong's number]
are many mansions:3438:[PLURAL - strong's number]
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
I go to prepare
a place5117 [SINGULAR - [strong's number] for you.

(John 14:3 KJV)
And if I go and prepare
a place5117 [SINGULAR - strong's number] ] for you,
I WILL COME AGAIN,
and receive you unto myself;
THAT WHERE I AM,
there ye may be also.


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On 8/12/07, Monika <[email protected]> wrote:

www.islam-christianity.net

 
 something that i thought u might find interesting.. sow some i dont know if u know arabic as some stuff might be not in english or french but in arabic, have fun reading
 
monika

 
On 8/11/07, ali kenadian <[email protected]> wrote:
great got it, will add you to my address book ok
 
regards
xxxxxx

 
On 8/11/07, Monika <[email protected]> wrote:
hey how r u doing?
 
regards,
 xxxx

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