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JMP's editor J. Marsden uses speculation in referring paper [1]
J.Marsden (Editor to Journal of Mathematical Physics) supports/states that the paper [1] considers unification of electromagnetism and gravitation (absolutely irrelevant to [1] statement).
States that the results of the paper are well known, without specifying any papers where those results could be published earlier.
Fails to provide answers
to these questions in his reply to the author's comments. Instead, argues that chosen for new geometry name "General Geometry"
is not appropriate for this case and decides not to publish the paper because the detailed derivation of curvature is not provided.
Leaves unanswered author's willing to provide the detailed derivation of curvature.
For details see full correspondence below
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: paper submission
To: [email protected]
Dear prof. Jerrold E. Marsden,
I am submitting paper
Author: Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev
Title: General Geometry and Geometry of Electromagnetism
for publication in JMP. I would like it to be handled by you.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:00:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Fwd: paper submission
To: [email protected]
Dear Editor,
I am submitting paper
Author: Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev
Title: General Geometry and Geometry of
Electromagnetism
for publication in your journal. I would like it to be handled by prof. Jerrold E. Marsden.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:13:16 -0700
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
From: "Jerry Marsden"
Subject: Re: paper submission
August 22, 2002
Dear Prof Shahverdiyev,
I believe that the paper is now being refereed.
If you have any questions or concerns, please stay
in touch with the main editorial office: [email protected]
Best Regards, Jerry Marsden
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: Your manuscript - 2-0520
To: [email protected]
Dear Prof. Roger G. Newton,
I have submitted the paper
Author: Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev
Title:"General geometry and geometry of electromagnetism ."
JMP log number: 2-0520
Could you please inform me about the referral process.
Is there any deadline for referee's report, how much
time it takes to make final decision and etc?
I am looking forward too hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Subject: RE: Your manuscript - 2-0520
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:15:36 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Dear Dr. Shahverdiyev,
Thank you for your message. Your manuscript is still with a referee at
the moment. There is no deadline, but we send the referees a reminder
after one month. If there is no response for a couple of months, we
assign a new referee to the paper.
Sincerely,
Anna Shparberg, Asst. Editor
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:18:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: RE: Your manuscript - 2-0520
To: "JMP"
Dear Prof. Roger G. Newton,
I am sending you the paper
Author: Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev
Title:"General geometry and geometry of
electromagnetism ."
JMP log number: 2-0520
with misprints corrected, text enlarged and one formula added.
The paper was submitted two months ago. I have not received any
response from a referee yet. Could you please send this version
of the paper to a different referee. Also, I would like to how
much time it takes to make a final decision.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Subject: RE: Your manuscript - 2-0520
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:54:40 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Dear Dr. Shahverdiyev,
Thank you for your message. Your second referee has been sent a
reminder to submit a report soon; if there is no result, we will choose
another referee for your paper. We will send the updated version of the
manuscript to all referees from now on.
There is no strict deadline for the editorial decision, it depends on
the timeliness of the referee's report. We are making every effort to
obtain it in a timely manner.
Best regards,
Anna Shparberg, Asst. Editor
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:00:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: RE: Your manuscript - 2-0520
To: "JMP"
Anna Shparberg,
I would like to remind that the paper
Author: Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev
Title:"General geometry and geometry of electromagnetism ."
JMP log number: 2-0520
has been submitted on August 18, 2002 more than three
months ago. There is no referee's response yet. Please
let me about current status of the paper. Also, I
would like to know what is the role of the editor
handling the paper.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:59:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: paper submission
To: "Jerry Marsden"
Dear prof. Jerrold E. Marsden,
I have not received yet an answer to my inquire from
the main editorial office and compelled to write you.
The paper was submitted on August 18, 2002 more than
three months ago. There is no referee's response yet.
Please let me know why it takes so long time to get a
referee's report and how much time it takes to make a
final decision.
The paper is under number JMP log number: 2-0520.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:56:33 -0800
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
From: "Jerry Marsden"
Subject: Re: paper submission
CC: [email protected]
November 26, 2002
Dear Shervgi Shahverdiyev,
Most papers take from 3-6 months to get refereed in
any mathematical sciences journal. Thus, your
situation is not unusual.
I am sure that the editorial office will contact
you just as soon as there is any information.
Best Regards, Jerry Marsden
Subject: Regarding JMP 2-0520
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:19:42 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: [email protected]
<<2-0520-v1-rr1.pdf>>
Dear Prof. Shahverdiyev,
I regret to inform you that we do not find your manuscript #2-0520,
"General geometry and geometry of electromagnetism," suitable for
publication in the Journal of Mathematical Physics. A report by a referee is
enclosed.
We do not customarily return manuscripts and keep them on file for only
a short period of time. Should you need yours back, please let us know
as soon as you receive this letter.
Sincerely,
Roger G. Newton, Editor
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:26:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: Regarding JMP 2-0520
To: "JMP"
Dear Professor Roger G. Newton,
I am sending you my comments to the referee's report
in a separate message. It is also attached in pdf
format.
In addition to my comments I would like to let you
know that the first passage of the referee's report
is irrelevant to the paper. In the paper there is no
consideration of any kind of unification.
Concerning its second passage, the referee simply
states that the results is well known without
referring to any published material. I am sure that
the results obtained in the paper are absolutely new.
This has been confirmed by mathematicians and
physicists who was in correspondence with me after the
paper was posted on the Internet.
The rest of the referee's report can be overcomed by
giving motivation for name "General Geometry" and
including relevant references. The paper with this
changes is attached.
I am looking forward to hearing form you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
revised version
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:31:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Regarding JMP 2-0520 (Comments)
To: [email protected]
Comments to the (attached in comments.pdf format)
Report on the Paper GENERAL GEOMETRY AND GEOMETRY OF
ELECTROMAGNETISM,
by Shervgi S. Shahverdiyev.
>The author claims that he has found a way of unifying
>the derivation of such equations
>like the one governing the motion of a relativistic
>particle subject to gravity, and that of
>a charged particle moving in an electromagnetic
?eld.
In the paper there is no such a claim.
Every main results are stated in the abstract in
separate sentences and there is nothing relevant to
any kind of unification.
>This uni?cation, seems to consists
>in the assumption that one has a connection-like
>object Ãí
>ó(x, xµ). Then the curvature of
>this connection-like object gives a force. An
>appropriate choice of Ãí µ(x, xµ), namely, the
>usual connection associated to the standard
>pseudometric gµ,í in relativity, reproduces the
>gravitational ?eld.
Actually, it is demonstrated that a new geometry
called "General Geometry" includes Riemannian
geometry as a special case in sec.3. There is no
discussion of gravitational field, and force in sec 3.
and in the rest of the paper.
>The electromagnetic ?eld is obtained by
choosing, >somehow, the connection like
>structure using the electromagnetic tensor F.
In sec. 4, whole Electromagnetism is obtained by
chosing $\Gamma(x, x_u) $as $F(x)$. Functions
$\Gamma(x, x_u) $ are general functions of
coordinates. Therefore, it is possible to choose them
as $ F(x)$.
>I must say that, in my opinion, the interpretation of
>curvatures as being ?elds seems to be
>well known.
Interperation of equation of motion and Lagrangian
for gravitational field
in terms of the curvature of Riemannian geometry is
well known for gravitation only.
We show that equation of motion and Lagrangian for
electromagnetic field can be derived
from curvature characteristic of a new geometry called
Geometry of Electromagnetism, which is completely
different from Riemannian geometry and
is the most simplest special case of General Geometry.
>And what is done in the paper is essentially well
>known too.
To my best knowledge and as it is follows from
responses of mathematicians and physicists
for this paper after posting it on the Internet, there
is nothing relevant to General geometry and its
applications in the literature. If you know that
someone discovered General Geometry before, please let
me know where that paper is published.
>The author does not describe any example, other than
>gravity and electromagnetism, in
>which his structure could be usefull.
Description of such structures are under
investigation.
The main result of the paper is to show that
electromagnetism has its own underlying geometry
and it turns out that this geometry is different from
Riemannian geometry. And is a special case of General
geometry.
>In any case, the General Geometry , that is, >the
geometry associated to that structure, does not
>look, at ?rst sight, really general , it
seems to
>leave out too many branches of geometry. The author
>does not explain the motivation for this
>name.
The motivation for this name can be included in the
paper. It is called "General Geometry" because it
includes already known Riemannian geometry, a new
geometry underlying Electromagnetism, a new geometry
underlying a unified model of Elelctromagnetism and
Gravitation, and infinte number of geometries,
physical interpretation of which is not known
at the present time, as special cases. Because of
this, name "General Geometry" is more appropriate in
my opinion. It will be up to readers to rename it
later.
>There are almost no references in the paper.
I agree with this remark. All relevant references will
be added and you are wellcome to request to add
relevent in your opinion references.
The paper with references added, motivation for name
"General Geometry" included and with enlarged
Introduction and Discussion sections is sent to
Professor Roger G. Newton.
Date: 04 Dec 2002 11:47 -0500
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: Your revised manuscript - 2-0520
Dear Prof. Shahverdiyev,
The Journal of Mathematical Physics has received the revised version of
your manuscript 2-0520 entitled "General geometry and geometry of
electromagnetism ". The manuscript is now under review. We will inform you
as soon as a decision regarding its publication has been reached.
In case your mailing address, email, and phones (direct, department,
and fax), change, please let us know. Thank you for your assistance.
Please note that JMP now receives approximately one-half its
submissions in electronic form, and almost all of them are sent to referees in
the same manner. In our experience, this process results in a
considerable saving of time between submission and final decision on the
acceptance of manuscripts. We therefore urge authors to make as much use of
this time-saving procedure as possible. Submission of three hardcopies
is still allowable, but discouraged.
Sincerely,
Roger G. Newton, Editor
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:21:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: Your revised manuscript - 2-0520
To: [email protected]
Dear Professor Roger G. Newton,
This is to remind the referee in charge with the paper
(manuscript 2-0520) that the revised version have been
submitted almost 4 months ago. Could you please remind
the referee about the paper and let me know when we
can expect referee's response.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
S. Shahvediyev.
Subject: RE: Your revised manuscript - 2-0520
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:57:12 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Dear Dr. Shahverdiev,
Thank you for your message. We have been working on receiving a
report, but it isn't ready yet. We sincerely regret the delay.
Anna Shparberg, Asst. Editor
Subject: Regarding JMP 2-0520
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:35:02 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: [email protected]
<<2-0520-v2-rr1.pdf>>
Dear Prof. Shahverdiyev,
I regret to inform you that we do not find your manuscript #2-0520,
"General geometry and geometry of electromagnetism," suitable for
publication in the Journal of Mathematical Physics. A report
by a referee is enclosed.
We do not customarily return manuscripts and keep them on file for only
a short period of time. Should you need yours back, please let us know
as soon as you receive this letter.
Sincerely,
Roger G. Newton, Editor
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:59:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: Regarding JMP 2-0520
To: "JMP"
Dear Prof. Roger G. Newton,
I am sending you my comments to the referee's answer
in a separate message. A revised version of the paper.
is attached.
In addition to my comments I would like to concern a
few points of the referee's answer. First
(opinion 1), although unification is mentioned in
sec.5 I do not consider it in this paper. It is
mentioned simply to inform a reader about the further
investigations in that direction.
Second, the referee in his opinion 4 states that
"... I do not see any real advantage in reinterpreting
some well known equation of motion as being part of
"Geometry of Electromagnetism".
This sounds very surprising for me. It is the one of
the main requirements of geometrization of any theory
that equation of motion must coincide with the
equation of geodesics of an underlying geometry. This
requirement is satisfied in the case of Gravitation
and Riemannian geometry. Kaluza-Klein theory failed to
satisfy this requirement for a particle interacting
with electromagnetic field because of charge/mass
problem and it was considered as one of the drawbacks
of Kaluza-Klein theory. In our theory, equation of
motion for a particle interacting with electromagnetic
field coincides with equation for geodesics of
geometry underlying electromagnetisim exactly. This
must be considered as one of the advantages of our
theory.
Next (last passage of the referee's answer), the
referee requires more foundation (reasons) for
introducing "General Geometry". In my opinion any new
knowledge must be introduced to readers independent
how it is important at the present time. But, in our
case "General Geometry" has very interesting physical
and mathematical applications as geometry including
geometries underlying physical theories as special
cases and being more general geometry than already
known Riemannian geometry. Besides, "General Geometry"
informs readers about existence of new kind of
geometries where the notion of parallel transport is
not defined.
The rest of the referee's answer can be overcomed by
adding more information to appropriate places of the
paper. It remains only to demonstrate derivation of
curvature function $R_\sigma^\lambda$.
Its simply, but long calculation is available and may
be added to the paper or send to the referee upon
request.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi Shahverdiyev.
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:01:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Re: Regarding JMP 2-0520 (Comments)
To: "JMP"
Comments to the referee's answer is attached. It is
also available in LaTeX format.
comments.pdf
Date: 16 Apr 2003 11:24 -0500
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: Your revised manuscript - 2-0520
Dear Prof. Shahverdiyev,
The Journal of Mathematical Physics has received the revised version of
your manuscript 2-0520 entitled "General geometry and geometry of
electromagnetism ". The manuscript is now under review. We will inform you
as soon as a decision regarding its publication has been reached.
In case your mailing address, email, and phones (direct, department,
and fax), change, please let us know. Thank you for your assistance.
Please note that JMP now receives approximately one-half its
submissions in electronic form, and almost all of them are sent to referees in
the same manner. In our experience, this process results in a
considerable saving of time between submission and final decision on the
acceptance of manuscripts. We therefore urge authors to make as much use of
this time-saving procedure as possible. Submission of three hardcopies
is still allowable, but discouraged.
Sincerely,
Roger G. Newton, Editor
Subject: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:08:15 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
CC: "JMP"
Dear Dr. Shahverdiyev,
Thank you for your message. I regret to say, however, that our
decision is final. We will not publish your paper.
Sincerely,
Roger G. Newton, Editor
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520
To: "JMP"
Dear Prof. Roger G. Newton,
Thank you for your letter. Unfortunately, I do not
understand motivation for your decision.
If all points of referee's report and answer were
overcomed then paper must be published according to
the common sense. Could you please let me know on what
grounds the paper is rejected for publication
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi Shahverdiyev.
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: Fwd: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Dear Editors,
The referee have written almost the same irrelevant
report to the paper as a referee of J. Geom. Phys.
His report is available online at
www.geocities.com/scienews.
Unfortunately, I do not see any other way of stopping
him besides suing him in a public court. If you do not
want to be involved in this lawsuit please provide
name of the referee.
I am looking forward to hearing from you,
Sincerely yours,
Shervgi.
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:34:42 -0700
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev" , [email protected], [email protected]
From: "Jerry Marsden"
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520
Friday, June 6, 2003
Dear Mr Shahverdiyev,
It would go against standard ethical conduct for
us to reveal the referees, so I doubt that the
Journal office can do that.
Maybe it would be more productive for you to try
to write the paper so that any future referees can
more clearly see the points you are trying to make
in your paper.
I wish you luck in any future versions you undertake.
Best Regards, Jerry Marsden
Subject: RE: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:50 -0500
From: "JMP"
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Dear Dr. Shahverdiyev,
Thank you for your e-mail of June 3, 2003 but, as I am sure you
understand, it is part of the ethical conduct between JMP and its referees
that referees' reports are anonymous.
I wish you success in either submitting your work to other journals or
continuing your research in directions that make it clearer to other
workers in the field.
Sincerely,
John L. Challifour, Assoc. Editor
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:36:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev"
Subject: RE: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520 (last call)
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Dear Editors,
In an attempt to publish a paper in a different
journal a referee has referred to "Foundation of
Physics" 33, No.7, 1107
(2003) by R. Beil, stating that my paper's results are
not new although my paper has appeared on the Internet
a long time before R. Beil's. Fortunately, R. Beil
paper's results turned to be not correct. See
http://www.mathpreprints.com/math/Preprint/shervgi/20031126/2
This kind of action compels me to publish the paper in
the journals with the earliest submission date.
We will try to accomplish this if even a lawsuit will
be necessary. It is not a good thing for referees not
to allow the paper be published on empty grounds and
on the other hand encourage someone to publish a paper
by presenting results of my papers as their own.
As you know all the referee reply's points were
overcomed in my comments. Moreover the referee took
back most of his objections. Due to this I would like
to request you to reconsider your decision.
Thank you in advance.
Sincerely yours,
S. Shahverdiyev.
P. S.
In the case if you do not want to reconsider your
decision please provide the name of the referee.
Otherwise, we will put both of your names in the list
of defendants.
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:43:21 -0800
To: "Shervgi Shahverdiyev" , [email protected], [email protected]
From: "Jerry Marsden"
Subject: RE: RE: Regarding JMP 2-0520 (last call)
Wednesday, December 3, 2003
Sorry, but I don't respond to messages containing
legal or political threats. It is not appropriate
for academic matters.
Jerrold E. Marsden
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