NCD info o+12 info Jonas info High Tech methods Charting methods Shettles info TB method
Lunar/Planetary information is in the moon section
The NCD or Natural conception date is based on the Jonas theory: "Women are fertile (can spontaneously ovulate) at the same phase of the Moon that occurred at her birth". This is called the Lunar Fertile Cycle and means that every month when the Moon is in the same phase as it was when you were born, even if you are menstruating, you are potentially fertile and can become pregnant. It seems at birth, a process is initiated where the Moon phase stimulates certain biochemical and hormonal states in the body. This forms a physiological cycle that starts at birth, is triggered at puberty and continues until death. The Lunar Fertile Period is a 'potentially' fertile time. Spontaneous ovulation triggered by sexual stimulation or orgasm can happen with the moon in the same phase as it was at your birth.
To get all your own information, use the following directions. Some of the links may not work and you may have to type it in yourself. For help, you can post at BabyCenter.com's Determining Sex bulletin board.
Have patience - you will have to go to some different sites to gather all your information. The links included below will open in a new browser window for your convenience.
1) go to: http://www.astro.com/cgi/ahor.cgi?lang=e
Once there, on the right hand side of the screen find the "click here" link
to enter your birth data. After you've done that, you will be able to get
your personal portrait. That will tell you both your astrological (sun)
sign, and your moon sign. That's the key, I think. Write that info down.
2) go to: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html
Once there, enter your
birth date and it will give you the type of moon when you were born.
3) To verify, go to: http://www.yoni.com/wombmoon/wmlunarfertile.shtml
You'll have to be familiar with the drawings of the signs, and see if the
previously gathered info correlates.
4) To see a calandar of moon phases for each month go to:
http://www.almanac.com/cgi-bin/heaven.pl?mooninput=current
This shows the moon in its cycles by month and picture of
the moon on the day in question.
If you print out the above information once found you can avoid going back over and over. Then the final step. Look at your NCD at http://www.zodiacarts.com/Calendar.shtml to see if it is in girl/boy territory. Void times are 50/50. This is all based on the time of Ovulation.
Find your moon type for the current month. Click on the day and see if your moon sign is there.
Girl signs are: taurus, can, virgo, scorpio, cap, pisces
Boy signs are: libra, sag, aqu, aries, gemini, leo.
For time zone information, go to http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc. This information was discovered by Wendi (number3girlforme).
o+12 information... (to the top)
O+12 Detailed Method
Here's how the method works. There are two main instructions.
The first is for the DH, and he's not going to like it: No ejaculation for
at least 7 days before the one BD during that fertility cycle. He must not
"cheat," as that would defeat the purpose. He should go as long as he can,
back to the beginning of the cycle if possible, but if he is young with a
high drive 7 days may be as long as he can go. The reason behind this
abstaining is that the female sperms live longer, including in storage
inside DH. The ejaculation after abstention will have higher female to male
odds. If you let another BD happen minutes, hours, or days later, it will be
much more likely to contain a larger percentage of male sperms. We have
found data to backup that abstainance increases girl sperms by about 2%.
Once you have done the ONE act of BD, you must not do another until you are
in the nonfertile mode, which is determined by three high temperatures, so
you know you have safely ovulated. Of course, after the big BD, DH is once
again free to ejaculate as often as he likes, but NOT IN YOU until fertility
is past. Then (after three high temps) you may "BD" at will until AF or
+HPT!
The second instruction is to BD between 8-20 hours after you ovulate.
Originally, it was 12-24 hours, hence the name O+12-24, shortened now to
O+12. Yet 24 hours is too long to wait; the egg is old and there is some
evidence that it's not healthy for the baby. Also, the one boy conceived
after O in the NZ study was from 24 hours after O. We have just had a friend
give birth to her O+8 DD, so we lowered the acceptable hour to 8, but be
careful that you know when you O'd. In the 37 successful O+12ers, they were
all in the 7-18 hrs after O.
Pinpointing O
This timing is a little tricky to determine. Best is to have a few practice
cycles before your first real try, so that you can catch the point of O+12
and see if you were right by watching your temps afterward. Please use as
many signs of ovulation as you can. The book, "Taking Care of Your Own
Fertility," by Toni Wechsler, is highly recommended for helping you get to
know your signs. We spend hours every day on our GD board trying to help
each other figure out some tricky O questions! Even a woman with a regular
cycle and good O pains can be fooled on occasion.
The signs of ovulation are basal body temperature, cervical mucus, cervical
position, and O pains. You may also want to use ovulation predictor kits.
But temperature is the key indicator that O has actually occured, make sure
temp is always taken effectively. As it is too easy for us to *feel* as if
we've O'd, when O hasn't actually occured yet. It is best to wait til you
see that temp rise, then bd. BD when you feel you are at your safest point
past O (O+10 or more). Sometimes waiting til the morning temp might be too
far past O to actually conceive. That's when many of us want to bd sooner in
order to get pg. One thing you can do is also temp in the evenings, it's not
as accurate as your morning temp, but if you take it at the same time every
night after the same routine, you'll notice a pattern. It should stay within
just a couple tenths, then after O has occured (hopefully on that day if you
O'd earlier in the day) the evening temp should rise about .5* showing that
O has occured, then you can feel safe to bd. Of course the evening temp
isn't going to correlate with your morning temp as your body has a different
body temp at night.
If using OPK's, use them as a guideline, not as a rule. In many cases you
will O in about 24 hrs after the first true +OPK. But it can be as soon as
12 hrs later or as much as 36 hrs later. Or you can have a delayed O after
you get the first +OPK, and O might not occur for a few more days? But you
can use them as a guideline. Once you see the first true +OPK, you can then
start to look for signs. Watching cm, cp, temp, and O pains.
O pain can be a great indicator of O, and can help you pinpoint O. Chart all
symptoms of O pain. If you do feel O pain, especially the pain in the sides
(ovaries), you should wait until the pain subsides. In many cases AF comes
at or around the same time O occured the 11-14 days before that. If you
chart all symptoms, then you can look back and see what symptoms exactly you
had at that time on O day. It might help you to pinpoint O a little better.
Generally EWCM stops or changes to creamy or sticky within hours after O.
You are usually safe if your CM has started to change and your CP is not too
high or soft, you can then start counting the hours.
For more information regarding the o+12 method, check out http://www.in-gender.com/, and look in the "At-Home Sex Selection Methods" section.
A site with an ovulation calculator for those who use opk's is http://www.babymed.com/tools/fertility/opk/. There is also a list of ovulation tracking sites in the resources section.
Jonas information... (to the top)
Jonas information is available at http://www.usmev.com.au/cji.htm.
High Tech information... (to the top)
High-tech gender selection involves separating X and Y sperm cells for use during IVF.
Some sites to check out include:
http://www.microsort.net
http://www.fertility-docs.com/fertility_gender.phtml
http://www.gender-preselect.com/ - this is the Ericsson site
http://boards.parentsoup.com/messages/get/psgender720.html - this is a message board for people interested in gender determination
A helpful comment on gender selection using IVF: The GIVF clinic in VA (microsort East Coast people) and HRC (Huntington Reproductive Clinic--West Coast Microsort people as of Jan. '03) both offer the service, and as far as I can find, are the only ones willing to do PGD FOR GENDER SELECTION right now...everyone else is debating the ethics I suppose. HRC has a website at www.havingbabies.com, and it actually offers a valuable tool called ask our doctors--you can post questions and one of the docs answers it very promptly (my experience was within 24 hrs, even on weekends). The IVF w/ PGD process actually involves fertilizing the eggies, waiting until they reach 6-8 cell stage, taking 1 or 2 cells from the embie and analyzing it for genetic info. They can screen for several genetic disorders, or just for gender for those who have no reason to suspect any genetic probs. It is cheaper than full PGD screen to just do gender, adds about $2500 to cost of IVF cycle. (My total bill will likely be around $10,000 with meds, and extra for travel exp.). The embies are returned as day 5 blasts hopefully. I am told that odds are not quite as good for success as with reg IVF, but odds are better for healthy baby if pg does occur, just b/c you are reasonably sure about the health of embie you transferred. I was told about 35% pg rate, depending upon Mom's circumstances.
Information from Linda (momltd).
For couples on the East coast interested in this method, Cooper's Hospital in Southern New Jersey has a good success rate and good prices. http://www.ccivf.com is their website.
Information from Judy (ghope).
Charting methods... (to the top)
Some ladies choose to chart their ovulation to predict the best time to try to conceive. You can track ovulation by charting your basal body temperature (bbt), cervical fluid (cf), cervial position (cp), or by using ovulation prediction kits (opk's). There are websites that will help you keep track of all this information, such as http://www.ovusoft.com and http://www.fertilityfriend.com.
basal body temperature
Your basal body temperature is your temperature when you first wake up after your sleep cycle. You do need to have at least 3-4 hours of solid sleep to track ovulation this way. All you need to do is remember to take your temperature at the same time each day and make a note of it. You can chart it on graph paper, a spreadsheet, or print out a chart here.
cervical fluid
Cervical fluid (CF), the second primary fertility sign, is probably the best day to day indicator of fertility. Sperm need CF to survive. High-quality CF feeds the sperm, allows the sperm to travel, and provides an alkaline substance in an acidic environment. By observing and recording your CF, in conjunction with your basal body temperature, you will know better when to time intercourse to avoid or achieve pregnancy.
Almost all women have an observable pattern of changes in CF which can be recorded on the basal body temperature chart. The classic pattern goes like this:
Dry: early in your cycle, you have no CF. You may feel a slight dampness, but it dries immediately when exposed to the air.
Sticky: as its name suggests, this CF is pasty, sticky, gummy, or rubbery, but it lacks true wetness.
Creamy: like hand lotion, this CF is creamy and wet.
Egg white: like raw egg white, this CF is slippery, very wet, and can stretch between your fingers from 1 inch to an unbelievable 10 inches. This is the most fertile-quality CF.
For photos of the different types of CF, click here http://www.familyplanning.net/ and scroll down the page.
This information from http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/natural_family_planning/73295, please visit the site for further information.
cervical position
Your cervix wants you to get pregnant. Hidden away from sight, your cervix opens and changes
position around the time of ovulation to encourage conception.
By charting your cervical position (CP), you can confirm when ovulation occurs. CP is an optional primary fertility sign. I must state honestly that I�ve opted out of charting CP. I never got the hang of it, and basal body temperature and cervical fluid give me all the information I need. However, if you have confusing cycles, if you need confirmation of the other fertility signs, if you want to be extra safe, or if you�re just plain curious about your body, charting your CP may be your cup of tea.
To check your CP:
*Wash your hands thoroughly. If you have any kind of vaginal infection or outbreak, don�t check your cervix.
*Squat, sit, or put one foot up on a chair - just be sure to use the same position each time. Insert your middle finger into your vagina until it bumps your cervix.
*For most of your cycle, your cervix is low, hard (like the tip of your nose), and closed. Around the time of ovulation, estrogen causes the cervix to become higher, softer (like the inside of your cheek), and open. After ovulation, your cervix returns to its low, hard, and closed position. Note these subtle changes on your chart.
If you have vaginally delivered children, then your cervix will always be slightly open. If so, try to note the changes in your cervix throughout your cycle rather than being alarmed by its "open" quality throughout the cycle.
Once again, I am indebted to Toni Weschler�s book, Taking Charge of Your Fertility, for all that it has taught me about cervical position and natural fertility. To see dramatic photos of the changes in CP, check out the photos in the center of her book, between pages 144 and 145.
This information from http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/10349/76248.
ovulation predictor kits
These kits include sticks similar to a home pregnancy test that you can use any time of day. They detect hormones that your body releases just before you ovulate and will give you a good idea of when the big "O" will happen. Some of the more sensitive ones give you about 4 days notice!
To purchase ovulation predicting items, pregnancy tests, fertility monitors, books, or sperm analysis kits, go to http://www.babyhopes.com/.
Dr. Shettles has written a book called "Choosing the Sex of Your Baby" that a lot of people have tried. In a very small nutshell, he recommended changing your body's environment with douche and having sex at specific times; for a boy he recommends having sex as close to ovulation as possible, for a girl he recommends a cutoff of 2-4 days before ovulation. For more info, check out the book! It should be available at your local library.
TB information... (to the top)
This is the turkey baster method. You have your husband deposit his sperm into a receptacle (e.g. a cup) and then use a syringe with no needle to put the sperm up into your body, however close to the cervix you prefer. The idea is that you can "doctor" the sperm with a few drops of lemon juice or vinegar to help filter out the X's which can sustain the acid.
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