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Philosophy of Science Thread
Wittgenstein Thread
AI and robots


AI and Robots Thread
This thread that starts with Richard Rorty praising Wittgensten [#474] and then drifts into AI and robots.

#474 Re: Rorty (Saicho) Rorty states that the three most important philosophers of this century are Wittgenstein, Heidegger and Dewey.
#475 Rorty, Wittgenstein, Dennett (Schmidt) Rorty as a materialist and an eliminativist with respect to mental states
#486 Re: Rorty (Saicho) I respectfully suggest that Rorty be read directly
#490 Substantial Rorty (JMC) a quote from PHILOSOPHY AND THE MIRROR OF NATURE
#492 opinion of an opinion (Schmidt) what Rorty wrote and in what context
#494 Re: opinion of an opinion (Saicho) in the process of reading Philodophy and the Mirror of Nature
#495 Re: opinion of an opinion of an opinion (Saicho) by trusting the "reviewer" one often gets a very skewed opinion that might serve to immediately put one against some thinker
#514 opinion of an opinion of an opinion (Schmidt) If I hear something that is of interest to me then I can go and try to puzzle out the original work.
#498 Re: Rorty (Saicho) what do you mean by "civil rights" and by "an intelligent robot"?
#501 rights for robots (Schmidt) definitions of "intelligence" and "rights" that will apply to both humans and robots
#504 Re: rights for robots (Saicho) why is it even important to create an "artificial being" which will demand its "rights."
#506 do a better job (Schmidt) I'm a technophile because I like options.
#507 Re: do a better job (Saicho) if there comes a time when (a la Turing) the distinction between a robot and a human is impossible to make then what will have changed?
#509 Re: rights for robots (JMC) I take it that Popper did make sense to you.
#510 Re: rights for robots (Saicho) It is natural for humans to be intelligent and creative and to build
things.
#512 robot jobs (Schmidt) What will be changed? [see #507] We (or our children) are going to find out.
#518 Re: robot jobs (Saicho) With your intelligent robot have you gotten closer to ìhigher knowledge?î
#519 Re: rights for robots (JMC) what Popper says in "Natural Selection and Its Scientific Status."
#524 Re: rights for robots (Saicho) The question at hand is one of  non-human evolution versus human directed
evolution.
#525 Re: rights for robots (Luke Pellen) why create an "artificial being"?? Knowledge.
#529 Re: rights for robots (Saicho) I can understand one trying to create AI as a means for understanding the human mind, but I don't believe serious cognitive scientists do this.
#531 Slaves to Evolution (JMC) Do we want robots to be more than slaves?
#533 better living through transhumanism (Schmidt) prospects for superhuman artificial intelligence
#535 Transhumanism or Megalomania? (JMC) Solving information overload with a robot is like a rock star countering the effects of cocaine with speed.
#536 Re: rights for robots (Robert Parr) six essentials of "natural" evolution
#538 Re: Slaves to Evolution (Saicho) I imagine that robot "evolution" would be a combination of Darwinian natural selection and Lamarkian inherited characteristics
#539 Re: Transhumanism or Megalomania? (Schmidt) intelligent robots might function as a tool that humans could use to find meaning in our mountains of information
#540 oi, robot! (Luke Pellen) The goal of "human intelligence" is a painful legacy of "strong" AI, and it seems rather silly to me.
#541 Re: oi, robot! (Schmidt) This is where functionalism resides.
#543 Re: oi, robot! (Bill Doxey) Are we now the hoi robotoi?
#573 Re: oi, robot! (Luke Pellen) Functionalism works fine as a general approach, but it has its limitations.
 

Follow a branch of this thread dealing with science, philosophy, and meaning in the Philosophy of Science Thread
#554 information and meaning (Schmidt) Many branches of science start with a phase during which there is much confusion (little understanding) and there is an emphasis on collecting many tiny nuggets of information.
continues with  #556-#567
 

#561 Re: Slaves to Evolution (Robert Parr) Isn't Social Darwinism just a rationalization for unfettered greed and selfishness?
#562 Re: rights for robots (Robert Parr) Darwinism speeded up
#564 Re: JMC, Saicho, Schmidt, charliehobbs (Robert Parr) I'm over here on the North Rim [see #433] listening in.
#565 Re: Slaves to Evolution (Saicho) yes, Social Darwinism is rationalization for unfettered greed and selfishness
#571 Re: Slaves to Evolution (JMC) Social Darwinism became indistinct from racism
#583 Re: Slaves to Evolution (Robert Parr) Social Evolutionism: a critical history by Stephen K Sanderson
 

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