Having tried to go back into the
earliest history of
the charliehobbs discussion group
and having been frustrated by "not available"
messages from eGroups.com, I decided to
try to keep an archive
of some charliehobbs discussion group threads here. Notes
to users.
Wittgenstein Thread
Philosophy of Mind Thread
AI and robots
Philosophy of Science Thread
information vs. meaning
history/science/philosophy
#223 start of thread (Erik Steven Harrison)
What is Science, and can it be fundamentally distiguished for Philosophy?
#240 East vs. West (Schmidt) An alternative
to the Eastern approach
#246 RE: East vs. West (Saicho) God help us
if we have to depend fully on science for moral, ethical and social
guidance.
#253 to Erik (Robert Parr) the metaphorical
basis of language
#266 The Philosophy of Science (JMC) That science
itself is an ad hoc method and not a purely rational method is a question
for both historians and philosophers.
#274 Newton, Wilson, POMO Philosophy (Schmidt)
Wilson's
book is a direct challenge to such traditions which split science off
from philosophy and other human endeavors.
#281 RE: Newton, Wilson, POMO Philosophy (Mark
Brown) Schmidt is a bit naive
#282 RE: Newton, Wilson, POMO Philosophy (Saicho)
a counter to the head strong thrust of science-for-science sake (and
science-for-money sake) must ever come from those (philosophers and
other ìthinkersî) who stand somewhat outside of science
#288 Erik Again Consilience
can't deal with art for obvious reasons. Hegel is also
a unification theorist, but he essentially claims that the One is knowable
and rational and nameable definable.
#289 Hegel^2
#305 ..Hegel^2, consilience, science (Schmidt)
reductionism is sensible methodolgy for physics, life science, and the
humanities.
See the discussion of cognitive science in the Wittgenstein
Thread.
#457 the end of philosophy (Schmidt) are there
aspects of human existence which science will try to tackle but will simply
fail to be able to deal with?
The following thread started in the AI
and Robots Thread.
#554 information and meaning
(Schmidt) Many branches of science start with a phase during which there
is much confusion (little understanding) and there is an emphasis on collecting
many tiny nuggets of information.
#556 Re: information and meaning (Saicho) ìmeaningî
belongs exclusively to the lexicon of the philosopher
#557 philosophy/science (Charles Hobbs) philosophy
is that discipline which deals with meaning
#558 Re: information and meaning (Schmidt)
What if there is a causal relationship between one's genes and one's experiences
that produces human meaning?
#559 Re: philosophy/science (Saicho) science
does not address the questions as to why we do explore, what it means to
do so, and what meaning attaches to what we find
#560 Re: information and meaning (Saicho) Philosophy
thrives on the insoluble; its by-products are new ways of seeing the universe
and humanity that hopefully frame the pathways of science, place them in
a perspective which does relate to MEANING.
#567 philosophy-meaning-science (Schmidt) I
think it is constructive when scientists try to pay attention to the philosophical
implications of their work and when philosophers pay attention to what
science is doing
#568 Re: philosophy-meaning-science (Saicho)
Rorty has a big section in his book about this subject
Another return to the Wittgenstein Thread with
#569:
#569 Re: information and meaning (Robert Parr)
Descartes didn't start the process of division of reality; he just
exaggerated it. Wittgenstein eliminated the division of
reality.
See the discussion of language [#574] in the Wittgenstein
Thread.
#600 Re: philosophy/science
(Michael Steven Russell) "the distinction made between science and philosophy
is a
product of history".....high points of a timeline are suggested
#601 Re: Phil/Science ie: Fact-Value Distinction
(Michael Steven Russell) is the fact-value distinction an empty concept?
#602 Re: philosophy/science (Schmidt) Can anyone
suggest a good book dealing with the history of philosophy/science?
#604 Re: philosophy/science (Charles Hobbs)
W.T. Jones' HISTORY OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY volumes
#605 Re: philosophy/science (Dawn Williams)
Blackwell's Philosophy
Resource page
#606 history
of philosophy/science (Schmidt) Anthony Kenny's A
Brief History of Western Philosophy
#608 Re: philosophy/science (Robert Parr) a
fact-value distinction is valid, but a fact-value dichotomy isn't
#609 Edelman, fact, value (Schmidt) Two brain
regions; one for facts, one for value?
#614 E. E. Harris quote (Schmidt) a philosophical
position which is integral to the body of scientific theory
#615 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Robert Parr) Is
Harris from the scientific side?
#616 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Schmidt) E. E.
Harris, "Nature, Mind, and Modern Science"
are Aristotle's translators simply projecting their own thoughts into Aristotle?
#617 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Charles Hobbs)
one must trust the translators unless he becomes a translator himself
#619 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Dan Dzenkowski)
reading Aristotle: about 60% of the text is additions and most of the original
was proabably lost
#620 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Charles Hobbs)
"the writings of Aristotle" present us with certain philosophical positions
- that's what we work with
#621 Re: E. E. Harris quote (Dan Dzenkowski)
the way in which we retained Aristotle's texts is also amazing, and pages
could have been lost, paragraphs, and books or additions made.
#624 matter, form, translation (Schmidt) in
translating Aristotle can "structure" and "function" be substituted for
"matter" and "form"?