I want to try this diet. My daughter is on gfcf diet with no
improvements. Nothing seems to be working as we are giving her these
seizure medications that are making her hyper and her mental growth
has basically stopped.
We started a new medication named Keppra for her seizures, looks
like this medicne contains maize starch. I was wondering if we do
the sc diet, will we see any benefits, as we are givng her keppra(I
think this may be sc ilegal). I read the book BTVC and it said that
we have to change the vitamins also to have an affect of this diet.
Please advise.
I recall that a lot have been tremendously helped with the SCD who were
suffering with seizures, so hopefully your daughter will be one of them.
Sometimes compounding pharmacy can make SCD legal meds. I don't know about
this drug, but a pharmacist should.
Some people can do the diet with small amounts of illegals in their meds and
vitamins and have no problems. I am not one of them. The tiniest amounts
of any illegals have sent me into a flare. It really depends on the
individual.
<< I know that there is absolutely no way to add any casein back into
my sons' diets.
Is this going to negatively impact the results we might see by
using the SCD? >>
Keep him on the diet!! We have been on SCD without caesin for five months
with wonderful results, GI, behaviorally, socially, and language boost. We
are thinking of reintroducing caesin because I am wondering if it was ever
part of the problem. I would like to get him on some yogurt because I think
it would be very beneficial to his gut issues.
Alison B.
Does anyone have a child that is on the SCD and has problems with the
PST pathway? I am wondering if you have given your child any of the
foods that are high in salicylates that you avoided previously, such
as apples, tomatoes, berries, etc.? And have you had any problems
with it?
Thanks, Erin
Our son has always been very sensitive to the PST pathway type foods -
apples, grapes, tomatoes, chocolate and especially oranges.
About 8 months ago we cut his starch intake drastically (though not
completely) and substituted fruit instead. We are not completely SCD
yet (working towards that), but he is having very little starch.
I was surprised to find that he was able to tolerate the fruit without
problems. He is having apples, grapes, raspberries, blueberries,
strawberries and oranges maybe 2 or 3 times a day and no red ears or
cheeks. Eg in a typical day he will have 1 apple, a small portion of
grapes, 2 or 3 little oranges. I suspect that overall the load on his
detoxification pathways have been reduced (less starch = less yeast =
less toxic byproducts = less detoxification required) and so he is
able to tolerate things which previously would have caused behavioural
problems. Maybe someone else will correct me if my reasoning is
wrong, but this is what we are finding in practice.
Please read the book,Breaking the Vicious Cycle, before reading this section.After reading the book you will be able to understand this part of the website.
Soak the
almonds
or pecans (4 cups nuts to 2 tsp sea salt, add filtered
water), leave in
a
warm palce 7 hours or overnight, then dry in a
dehydrator or a warm
oven (no
more then 150F) for 12 to 24 hours. I find it takes
the full 24 hours. .
That
book talks about this making them more digestible, the
soaking breaks
down
enzyme inhibitors.
. But doing it does not really take much
work, and it
definitely
makes a difference, for me it doesn't give you that
heavy feeling, less
gas,
that eating a raw nuts always gave me. (Though we are
not eating whole
nuts
at all right now, and are only starting to try to
re-introduce nut
flour.)
Even with this soaking method though, I think that
whole nuts should be
avoided totally, and just go slow with the nut flour.
We are trying to
make
our own, so we can do this to the nuts first, to see
if it helps my son
tolerate them better..
Sonya.
I believe it would be a real risk to put him on Nystatin when he is not able
to have yogurt. Nystatin is a mold-based anti-fungal. If you kill off the
candida with the Nystatin, what will replace the candida in the intestine?
Without the yogurt passing through to replace the candida as it dies off, you
have a risky situation. Unless you can use pro-biotics. Even so, I believe
Elaine recommends the yogurt above all. It would be worth trying to see if he
can tolerate probiotics or yogurt. Maybe you want to try dripping it as
detailed in BTVC as that is easier for many sensitive ppl to tolerate. He
needs to build up those good flora. And then he may not need the nystatin.
Healing happens one step at a time.
Nystatin is not always the best choice of anti-fungals. If you could have him
tested, some labs test the particular strain of candida he has to see what
will kill it and what won't. On a scale of 1 to 3, my particular strain(s) of
candida reacts to Nystatin only at a 2. Three would be best. It doesn't seem
worth it to take Nystatin in this case.
My experience is that the positive effect of eating yogurt is so much greater
than the killing effect of anti-fungals. Still, you may have to start with
the a-f's. What other choices do you have? The grapefruit seed extract is a
good choice. These things can take time. But you need to get some good flora
in him above all. Esp. with the gr seed extract killing off candida--what is
replacing it?
I hope this will help in your difficult decision about Nystatin. I know a
good legal dairy-free acidophilous here in America if you are interested.
Best wishes, Christine in Oregon.
Greetings.
I just wanted to remind everybody of this:
Yeast and mold and fungus are all related, like cousins.
Anytime you introduce one, they ALL have an orgy and produce multidinous
offspring exponentially.
So if you eat blue cheese (mold), it will cause yeast and fungi to boom in
your intestine.
I feel the same applies to Nystatin (mold) for some ppl.
Likewise, if you eat mushrooms (fungus), there can be an explosion of yeast
and mold in your system.
Also, they all thrive on sugar, and it will cause the same kind of population
explosion.
Hope this helps.
Love, Christine.
Oregano oil is a popular and effective supplement for people with candida
overgrowth and intestinal imbalance. It is an anti-fungal of excellent
repute. It is prescribed by naturopaths for people who do not do well with
Nystatin and other pharmaceutical anti-fungals.
Naturopath Dr. G. Young writes "Oregano oil is a powerful anti-infectious
agent (for respiratory, intestines, genital, nerves, blood, and lymphatics)
with large-spectrum action against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungus(yeast),
virus and parasites."
A note of caution: Oregano oil does contain one natural phenol--methyl
chavicol. If one is phenol sensitive, perhaps Grapefruit Seed extract would
be a better choice.
A personal note: I am quite sensitive to synthetic phenols, but not to
natural ones. Perhaps others are in this category. For me, oregano oil is
much more tolerable and effective than any pharmeceutical anti-fungals. I
also take GSE. The combo is working well.
Love, Christine.
Dear Sonya, You wrote:
<< I also menat to ask about the garlic and onions and oregano >>
Hi...sorry so late a reply. I have been taking an oregano oil which my
Naturopath recommmended because it is emulsified, thus easier to digest and
utilize. I really like it a lot as there is no reflux from it and it seems
quite effective.
It is Biotics Research's A.D.P. They are in Rosenberg, Texas 77471.
Love, Christine.
Dear Julie, You wrote:
<< We are currently using nystatin for candida overgowth, and seeing
considerably increased 'babbling' and zoning out. James also has a really bad
cold, still, now 6 weeks and counting............
>>
You are having such a difficult time! I'm sending up a prayer for you.
It sounds like he is reacting to the mold-base of the Nystatin.
Have you considered trying the Grapefruit Seed Extract? It is said to not
kill the good bac's, while it wipes out the bad ones. Many ppl do much better
with that than with Nystatin, and with the oregano oil (see previous post).
Love, Christine.
Oil of oregano, garlic, onion, coconut, cinnamon (I think), are all natural anti-bacterials/fungals. I've rotated all of these with Colin. They are all used in the recipes (well oregano in the spice form not oil) and seemed to have helped Colin. However, the best of all was the yoghurt.....! :) We are currently trying monolaurin until we can get C successfully back on his yoghurt.
Best,
JenandColin
[email protected] wrote:Dear Sonya,
Greetings ! You asked:
<< Is this supposed to be helpful with candida, yeast, etc? >>
Yes. Oregano oil is the most effective natural anti-candida and anti-yeast
remedy. Lots of ppl swear by it. Naturopaths nearly always prescribe it.
Interestingly, oregano flowers are the favorite flowers of my bees. They must
protect their hive against mold and fungus in the wintertime and I feel
certain they somehow know to get the oregano into their honey to protect
themselves.
Love, Christine.
wrote:
Okay, I got Elaine's book yesterday and read it. I would very much
like to do this diet. But I know how hard the gfcfsfpf diet has
been on me and my husband and our sitter. I would really appreciate
someone's help in figuring out how to do this diet and do it so that
it doesn't completely turn our world upside down yet again.
Is there a menu planner I could use somewhere? How about set menus
that I could doctor up for him? Is there a way to make stuff and
freeze it and then use it like a tv dinner type thing? I work full
time and have a 4month old, not complaining, just being honest with
myself about how much time I have now to devote to doing more.
Okay, in the book Elaine says if you have a reaction to a food then
not to eat it. Well the only true hives reaction Kyle ever had was
to soy and peas. Although he had recurrent sinusitus with peanuts
and other offenders. Applesauce causes him to break out in a bad
yeast type rash on his butt.
I really want to do this and see if we get any changes over the
course of a month. I suspect that we will see great changes, which
is my motivaton of course for doing the diet.
I mean what kid refuses to eat foods only to eat cookies, chips, and
french fries. It totally plays to what Elaine is saying aobut the
carbohydrates. But at the same time I'm dealing with a kid who
reacted enough to peas, peanuts, fish, eggs, and soy for the dr. to
tell me to excludet those from his diet.
Kyle's Mom,
I know you are feeling overwhelmed. I hear you--I am a single Mom. I quit my job when Colin got diagnoised to get him started on this diet. It does take a lot of work.
However, the way I always explain it to myself--feeding kids in general takes work. To cook a meal, you always have to cook a meat, veggie, etc. But with the SCD you just have to plan the meals more, the snacks, the juice, and always be prepared.
Here are some suggestions:
- Try a few basic foods at the beginning. Either the intro diet (boiled burgers, chicken, fish), gelatin, broth, etc. or a variation of that.
- Add new foods slowy.
- Once you know some SCD foods he tolerates, spend one day a weekend cooking and freezing ahead. If you have the funds, you can hire a helper (or friend!) to help you cook and freeze.
- Prepare snacks and have them on hand.
I put cute bags full of cooked, sugar free bacon in the fridge, backs of goat gouda, and have ripe bananas frozen on a stick or ready to give plain. I also am cooking necterines and peaches ahead (it tastes like applesauce). If you son doesn't have diar. you could eventually try dry fruit and nuts; but I wouldn't in the early weeks.
I wish I could give you menus. It's not that easy. We really got to know our son one food at a time. No one can tell you what he is ready to digest. That is only something you will know by observation---whether he gets gas, burping, his stools, etc. Keep a diary.
I know it turns your world a little upside down at first. It is like being our grandmothers again; I understand why mine was always in the kitchen now! She cooked everything from scratch. But you know, my son still thanks me for helping him. His tummy was in pain and he couldn't tell me that before. That is what keeps me cooking despite the effort. I have to cook him food that doesn't hurt him. The GFCF always did.
Best,
JenAndCOlin
Hi Kyle's Mom,
Way to go! I'm glad you're going to give the diet a try. Jen has already given you some great advice. Here are a few of my thoughts. The diet does take some extra preparation, but I do a lot of it on weekends and just freeze or refrigerate the items until I need it. For example, the Lois Lang bread is extremely easy to make (I just throw all the ingrediants in my mixer and then pour it in the pan) and one loaf lasts me a week (in the fridge). I eat it plain, toasted, or sometimes add shredded cheese (don't get the kind that is already shredded because it probably has additives) and melt the cheese on top. I make a batch of muffins and freeze half and use the other as a snack (they have honey so they are nicely sweet). The banana bread is yummy and also serves as a snack. We keep veges available that can be quickly steamed or stir fried (takes approx 10 min either way). If we cook a steak during the week, we cook an extra big one so I can have left overs during the week or freeze for a later time. Same goes for roast, which is what I'm doing today. Once you're sure that you son will tolerate yogurt, get a yogurt maker that will make the most yogurt at one time. I actually use two, make them both on the same day and have enough yogurt for the week (unless I cook with it, and then I make it biweekly).
Good luck,
Pam
Is there a way to make stuff and
freeze it and then use it like a tv dinner type thing?
Dear All,
It has been my experience (and I know I have said this before), that before
removing the whole spectrum of grains including corn, spelt, etc. etc.,
people (and especially children) will react adversely to just about all the
legal (allowed foods) in SCD. They, parent, therefore, come to SCD with
trepidation based on their previous bad experiences.
After introduction of SCD with the removal of the glutenfree products (ughh,
uggh and more ugg) especially the horrible corn and corn syrup and the rice,
after they are removed, then introducing the legals carefully, slowly and
working up, most of the time the children will do just fine.
Elaine
INTRODIET
>HI--
>
>I am already on SCD...but how do I get my son started when he won't eat
>barely anything on the intro diet....Suggestions? He is two.
>
>He hasn't been diagnosed but he has diarrhea constantly since he was
>born...and I find that milk makes it worse...so that has already been
>dropped. I make yogurt smoothies for everyone but he is so picky...
>
>Any suggestions are appreciated and thanks in advance.
>
>Carleen
>UC 19yrs
>SCD 2 months
Hi Carleen
Think like a kid for the intro.
For the homemade gelatin - cut it into kid shapes
If he won't eat eggs you could mix them ,cook them flat & then cut them into
more shapes.
Apple cider or grape juice (1/2 juice, 1/2 water) frozen into popsicles
The broiled beef patty rolled into little kid size meatballs.
Unless his symptoms are severe - cramping and Diarrhea, one or two days on
the intro diet are sufficient (BTVC p51)
If it is only a day or two than you could just make as much as you need from
the intro diet and let him fill up on that. Then after that give him a
balance of foods from what he will eat that is SCD legal.
My son sounds like yours. He had D since he was born. Between 5-8 mushy or
D diapers a day. He would never drink milk. I started the diet Feb 2001,
hubby joined me 100% SCD in May of 2001. The kids were almost there so in
March of 2002 we decided to put them on the diet. My little guy, who just
turned 3, responded excellently. He started having trophies right away. As
long as he has variety within what he can eat he is quite happy with SCD.
He tells my parents that he can't eat polysaccharides 'cause it makes him
sick. He occasionally gets into things he is not ready for like raisins or
unpeeled aples and that sets him back a bit. But his setbacks get shorter
each time. Hope that helps.
Sheila,
UC 18 yrs, SCD 18 mos
Daniel 3 yrs old,
undiagnosed, SCD 6 mos
Basically, Start out on the intro diet for at least 2
days and then very slowly add small amounts (1 Tbsp) of new items. Wait a
few days in between to see how each new food react. You will be making a
baseline from the intro diet to add new foods to and gauge her response.
When you start adding veggies they should all be cooked, peeled and
deseeded. You should wait a while on cruciferous veggies - vegetables in
the Brassica or cabbage family. These include cabbage, broccoli, brussel
sprouts, cauliflower and turnip. Same thing for when you decide to try the
24 hour yogurt. Start with a Tbsp a day and work up to more.
Sheila
Sue,
I can empathize with your situation. I know it is emotional--I can only compare it to the detoxes I've witnessed (for alcohol) on TV! My son was so addicted to carbs and sugars. It killed me to watch him beg for his old foods.
However, I knew it was for his best interest. I considered it tough love, because I truly believed I was responsible for restoring his health and that he needed this diet. I also thought about other (healthy) countries--such as China, Japan, etc.--they eat the same thing for breakfast as they do all day (meats, veggies, etc.).
I went cold turkey in order to clean out his carbs and sugar cravings and attack the yeast and bacteria full force. I ate with him (which helped) exactly what he had. We ate soup for breakfast and squash "pudding" with honey. If he didn't have problems with eggs (breathing) I would have served those too. We ate ostrich or turkey patties for lunch, lamb, etc. I added fish, shrimp, other cooked veggies. After 2-3 months I realized he wasn't "healing" on the meat and veggies alone (even with probiotics). So, we added yoghurt. It was really then that we saw the true healing occur.
How about eggs, sugar-free bacon, jello (not all do well on gelatin however--including Colin), ripe bananas....and then cautiously add the yoghurt? You could eventually add nut flour products to the AM too which helps you in expand a lot.
Best wishes,
JenandColin
IMPORTANT TIPS FOR BEGINNERS
Reread the book and you'll see Elaine has a chapter devoted to what's
"legal" to eat and what's not. None of the foods listed under headings
such
as NOT ALLOWED means you should avoid them under all circumstances.
BUT, and this is an important "but" ... if you read the book carefully,
you'll learn that what is OK for people who have been on the diet for 1
year
is not OK for folks who have been on it for 6mos.. And newbies should
not
think it is OK for them to jump quickly into eating foods that are OK
for
people who have been on the SCD diet for 3mo.
We all have to start out with the diet for beginners ... and usually we
find
it helpful to return to this very simple list of foods when we're
having a
flare. After the first few days, personal experience should be the
guide as
to what can and can't be eaten at this stage, i.e., what makes for
more,
rather than fewer symptoms. Some people are allergic to foods that
others
can tolerate well. Some people are sicker than others when they start
the
diet.
Sometimes when people on strong medications such as Prednisone begin to
taper off, they find they have to take it easy on some foods that had
once
been OK.
The SCD diet isn't an easy one to follow. It requires patience and
careful
observation.
But nearly everyone on it seems to agree: The SCD diet is WELL WORTH
THE
TIME AND EFFORT it takes to follow it
ENZYMES
I use Digest Gold by Enzymedica.It was recommended by
Karen De Felice.
I get it from
www.getbigger.com
It is also available on other internet sites such as
vitaminlady.com.
My daughter does OK without enzymes if she follows the
diet.
I sent Elaine the ingredients and she had no
objections.
All the best,
Mimi
From Karen DeFelice:
The Houston ones are a bit different and although some people can find
alternatives to them, others find they are the only ones that work. Guess
that is because Dr. Houston is a true medically trained enzymologist and not
just a supplement company stuffing different enzymes in capsules. :)
The rice bran may just not be an issue either because the enzymes would
digest that and they go on to other foods, so they self-digest the bran.
That may be why you are doing so well on them. But if this is a concern,
here are some other suggestions. Enzymedica has enzyme specialists too and
their products contain no fillers. They have several to choose from. I have
tried several of their products. The Carbo or Digest or Digest Gold is a
good substitute for Zyme Prime as a general all-purpose one. They don't have
a sub for the Peptizyde BUT because the SCD has fermented foods which
pre-digests the casein, this may not be an issue for some and you may find
that any strong protease products (like Digest, Repair, Purify, etc) will do
just fine. The No-Fenol is the kicker and most likely to also help with
fiber. The closest match to an Enzymedica product would be the Candidase
because it contains cellulase and protease (but doesn't have the other
stuff).
But as long as you start with some type of digestive enzyme, that will help
with food breakdown and assist with the SCD.
Karen.
There are two enzyme products which look particulary well suited for
SCD goals and foods. The first one is a product that has been sold
about a year online. I talked with the owner/formulated at length
today in 3 separate conversations. He was really forthcoming with
information and detail, and thoroughly knew his stuff. The product
is called Ultra-zyme Plus by Thorp Nutrition:
http://www.throppsnutrition.com/ps_ultrazyme.htm
90 capsules/bottle - $18/bottle
3 bottles or more = $16/bottle
12 bottles or a case = $13.50/bottle
I like the balance of the enzyme types and quantities. No token
amounts just to say 'we have more enzymes than anyone else'. It
looks like a good, thought-out mix of things that would coordinate
well with the purpose and foods of the SCD. I am trying a bottle
myself. The price is good. I am calling their manufacturer about the
trace minerals (which some people think make the enzymes work
better). It includes magnesium stearate for the 'fill' helper which
is SCD approved. A good one to consider.
Another product is the Digest Gold by Enzymedica. This is a good one
too but much more expensive (unfortunately), so it would be cheaper
to try the Ultra-zyme Plus first, and then the Digest Gold. A note
on the acidophilus in Digest Gold. The probiotics in enzymes are
generally 'token helpful' amounts. Not nearly enough to take the
place of the yogurt or a straight probiotic product. It is just a
nice-to-have in enzymes if anything. Some people do not think
probiotics are beneficial if taken with meals anyway. The Digest
Gold has some ingredients that appear would be beneficial on SCD
(the other one has these as side-activities or listed differently).
Enzymedica makes products I think of as 'clean', no fillers, amounts
that go to work, and good quality. They just are a bit expensive for
regular use, as enzymes go.
Karen.
Dear Friends, Elaine sent a post from Susan about enzymes saying that their
doctor recommended:
<< digestive enzymes containing protease, amylase and lipase >>
Digestive enzymes help me.
I have tried many over the years, and far and away the best for me are indeed
the plant-based enzymes. I personally do not do well with betaine
hydrochloride.
Prevail Vitase Digestion Formula is the best for me. It contains:
Pure Plant Enzymes:
Amylase
Protease I, II, III and IV
Lactase II
Cellulase I
Lipase II
Maltase (Malt Diastase)
Sucrase (Invertase)
Other Ingredients: microcrystalline cellulose and ascorbyl palmitate.
www.prevail.com.
I buy at Wild Oats.
Christine
<< Does anyone have any experience with
legal pancreatic enzymes and which ones are recommended >>
Pure Encapsulations offers one. It is called "Pancreatic Enzymes" as I have
mentioned before.
Mary
GOAT YOGURT
GOAT YOGURT (AS STARTER FOR MAKING YOGURT)
THIS YOGURT IS ONLY TO BE USED AS A STARTER TO MAKE HOMEMADE YOGURT.
SCD ONLY ALLOWS HOMEMADE YOGURT TO BE EATEN
Here is the link for goat milk and yogurt in Ontario. I don't know if they
ship to other parts of Canada.
Family Farms Goat Milk Products
Bill and Coby Zandbergen
Zandbergen Farms Ltd.
R.R. # 2
Brinston, Ontario
K0E 1C0
Tel: 613-652-2243 Fax: 613-652-4752
http://www.family-farms.on.ca
e-mail :
[email protected]
If you call or e-mail they will tell you the nearest retail location that
stocks their products. Some are HFS, some are local grocery stores.
Alane
THIS YOGURT IS ONLY TO BE USED AS A STARTER TO MAKE HOMEMADE YOGURT.
SCD ONLY ALLOWS HOMEMADE YOGURT TO BE EATEN
Here you go! The goat farm in Pennsylvania:
Bob and Mary Ellen Spots
610-689-5498
Their goat yogurt has: all three bacteria we need, plus some vanilla, and creamorous.
Caution: They will try to sell you Kefier with 7 strains of bacteria (including bifidus). For kefier questions ask Seth on the long island list or ask someone on this list or the kids list whom I think is using kefier...
Luv,
JenandColin
THIS YOGURT IS ONLY TO BE USED AS A STARTER TO MAKE HOMEMADE YOGURT.
SCD ONLY ALLOWS HOMEMADE YOGURT TO BE EATEN
GOAT MILK(FOR MAKING YOGURT)
Call the Department of Agriculture in your state to find the names of goat farmers.Also ask health food stores in your area about goat farmers.
Hello Marisol,
I went to the "real milk" websit (www.realmilk.com) and found several people
who will ship it to you. You could look there (they give a listing by
state)
and see if there is anyone close to you, as I am not sure where you live.
Go
to the website and click on the WHERE section, or more directly, the listing
is at:
http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html
The 2 I found that I thought would work for me was one in Ohio and one in
Texas. I decided to try the one in Ohio because I live in Virginia, and
they
ship it frozen, and I thought it would be better because it is closer. But
it probably didn't matter because I think the one in TX also does 2 day
delivery, so it would haevprobably taken the same amount of time. Anyway,
here is the info from teh website about the one which I ordered from:
North Benton (Ohio): Raw goat milk is available at O'Brocks Goat Dairy. Ken
O'Brock, O'Brock's Goat Dairy, 9435 12th St., North Benton,Ohio 44449,
330-584-4681, [email protected]. We ship frozen raw goat milk by UPS to
customers within 400 miles and they report it gets there by the second day
and is still partially frozen. The price is $6.00 per gallon, minimum 2
gallons. Shipping is $12.00 for 2 gallons. It can also be picked up fresh at
our farm if you call ahead.
I then emailed him to ask about what the goats eat, any hormones/other yucky
stuff given, etc and he wrote this to me:
Thanks for writing,
We do grass feed our goats when there is grass. However, due to the
drought the grass is sparce and the goats are being hay fed. That's just
dry grass. The milk is $6.00 per gallon sold only in multiples of 2
gallons.UPS shipping is $12 for the 2 gallons. It is fresh frozen and
wrapped and boxed well so that it arrives still partially frozen and can
be refrozen. No antibiotics or hormones are used. Our goats are very
healthy and our facilities are very clean. We don't have a large herd.
We have been raising dairy goats for nearly 40 years. I could email a
digital photo of our goats, where they live and our milking parlor if
you wish. To order milk you send us payment in advance. $24 total for
each 2 gallons. Some people pay a month in advance and we ship then 2
gallons or 4 gallons a week. We ship only on Mondays or Tuesdays so the
milk will get there before the weekend. They usually get it by the
second day.
Ken O'Brock
O'Brock's Goat Dairy
9435 12th St.
North Benton,Ohio 44449
330-584-4681
[email protected] wrote:
>Hello!
>I am interested in knowing if it is possible to mail order your milk? I
live
>in Harrisonburg Virginia. If you ship it frozen, and it is partially
thawed
>upon arrival, can you freeze it again? How long will it keep in freezer?
>
>The message I read about your farm said raw milk, but I was wondering if it
>is also grass fed? antibiotic-free, hormone-free, etc?
>
>Many, many thanks for your time!! I am desperately trying to find a source
>for this and wish I could just get a goat!!!
>
>Sonya
>
>.
But, I did want to add that on the Real Milk listing website, also under
Ohio, they listed another dairy, and it said this is the only place in Ohio
licensed to sell raw milk (selling raw milk in some states is illegal -- it
must be pasteurized---I am not particularly worried about this because we
are
heating it fro the yogurt, not drinking it plain. PLus the raw is supposed
to make a better yogurt because it still has active enzymes and etc)
Anyway,
right after the listing for O Brock's it gave the other listing:
Yellow Springs: Young�??s Dairy. This is the only dairy that can legally sell
raw milk in the state of Ohio.
But it's possible that has changed, I don't know.
And then there was a place in Texas who shipped anywhere, and I think they
are the big one, and I know one woman on the LI list a long time ago used to
buy it from there. And that is:
Raw goat milk shipped frozen anywhere in the US. White Egret Farm
(512)276-7408 [email protected]
I also emailed them, and they wrote this to me:
Sonya,
The milk is shipped frozen. The milk can stay in the freezer from 3 to 5
months. Once it has been thawed and put in the refrigerator, it lasts 4-5
days. It is always best to fill up a box when ordering because if you
don't,
then the milk will thaw during shipping. The increments are 2 1/2 gal, 5
1/2
gal, 10 1/2 gal, and 18 1/2 gal. You can, of course, order less. I need
your zip code to give you some shipping costs. Let me know if you have any
more questions.
Rebecca King
White Egret Farm
15704 Webberville Rd
Austin, TX 78724
(512) 276-7408
Okay, phew, sorry so long, but wanted to share all my info in case it is
helpful.
HAVE to go to bed now!
Love,
Sonya
Dear Moms,
You are all so awesome and amazing to go to these lengths to get the Mystic
Lake Goat Yogurt for your starter. Your kids are blessed.
2 Hints:
- ) I only need to use only[ 1/4 cup per quart] for starter. Sometimes it just looks so
good I use a heaping [3/8 cup]. It seems to turn out the same. And
I am even using non-fat milk since I have auto-immune disease.
- ) I still drip my yogurt for 30 minutes after it is done. I find this makes
it much easier to tolerate--I am problem free that way. I really recommend
dripping.
Good luck! I am so excited for you all and your kids. Keeping my fingers
crossed and a prayer in my heart.....
Love, Christine.
For directions to make the goat yogurt, click here
GOAT CHEESE
It is Arina Goat's Gouda that I get from Whole Foods. I called last year (to
Whole Food's headquarters--I think it was in TX) to verify that it is aged more
than 6 months. Colin does fine on it. I believe they carry sheep's cheese that
is aged as well; I can't recall the brand as we don't use it.
Best,
Jen and Colin
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I called this dairy:
http://www.chevre-tournevent.qc.ca/s03_pr_chevrenoir.html
T�l�phone : 819.478.8857
They make wonderful goat milk products.Their Chevre
Noir is a cheese made from raw goat milk and is aged
for over 6 months.I bought some ;it was delicious and
my daughter finished it all.They sell goat butter
,goat lactoserum and even goat leven.
Unfortunately their goat yogurt has tapioca.
All the best,
Mimi
SCD legal DCCC from goat's milk
I get fresh raw milk to make my SCDiet yogurt with from White
Egret farm in Austin, Texas. They also make SCD legal DCCC from goat's
milk. They are a wonderful, health-conscious farming community (the owners are microbiologists from UT Austin so they really care about the
quality of their products). I am fortunate because the farmer delivers
directly to us in San Antonio, but they can send you anything by mail.
You can call them at 512-276-7408
. Erin
Graf, Undiagnosed, SCDiet 4 months
MILK SUBSTITUTE
Hi Sonya,++
I don't have the name of a brand of legal coconut milk but I do have how to
make your own. I vaguely remember Deborah posting that (according to a
fellow who's in the know) all canned coconut milk has added gums whether it
is on the label or not.
Nut Milk
A milk made from raw nuts can often be used in place of dairy milk. To make
a nut milk liquify one cup of blanched almonds with 4 cups of water in
blender., Add 2 tablespoons raw honey for sweetness. decrease water for
creamier milk store in refrigerator 4 or 5 days at the most
the remaining almond paste after it is strained can be tossed on vegetables
or in soup. This can be used to replace milk in recipes such as custards and
puddings
It is fine to drink also. More nuts in proportion to water gives a richer
milk. This is somewhere between whole milk and half and half in richness. 1
cup and approx two tablespoons almonds For a less rich milk use 1/2 cup
almonds then 2 1/2 cups water works best if warm
Put nuts in blender and blend approximately 2 minutes (more or less) depends
on your blender. The nuts should be pulverized. Strain the resulting stuff
to remove the nut chunks.I use a mesh coffee filter (ex, Melitta gold
filter) and a rubber spatula to force the liquid through. Paper coffee
filters are too fine, and kitchen seives are too coarse. this makes
approximately 2 cups
You can also line the seive with cheesecloth
Coconut Milk
In blender or food processor combine 1/2 cup each grated unsweetened coconut
and boiling water.
Blend until coconut is finely ground. Strain through a fine sieve or a piece
of clean muslin.
Squeezing to extract all the liquid. Discard coconut, Makes about 1/2 cup
Sheila's Note:
Instead of discarding the almond or cocnut paste you could warm it with some
raisins & cinnamon, or cut up apple pieces and then serve with some yogurt.
My new motto is waste not want not. :)
Sheila
Also, what is a legal brand of coconut milk?
COOKING THE FOOD WELL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DIET
Our first priorities is to get the maximal amount of food in a
digestibale,
absorbable form leaving little for bacterial growth (or yeast - they ride
piggy back on each other).
Don't worry about cooking the food well. We have to cook it to break down
the cell walls of the plant material or else the substances inside the
cells
of carrots, apples, etc. will not be absorbed because of the rigid cell
walls in uncooked food. It then keeps going down, down and feeds those
critters which adapt to any energy (calories) that come down.
PROBIOTIC ( Dairy free )
We use acidophilus from customprobiotics.com. If you ask for L.
Acidophilus
only, it is 100% legal. We use three small scoops in Colin's juice a
day.
Best,
Jennifer
< What do you guys think, should probiotics be given on an empty
stomach or
with food? >>
I always try to take my probiotics before I start to eat a meal, as I
have
read that the stomach acid is lowest at that time.
If I forget to do that, then I take them btw meals.
If I really need them, I take them whenever as I figure some of them will
make it to my gut no matter what.
Love, Christine
Yes. I posted this to the SCD list and no one objected.
It agrees with me very well and I like it because it is so simple.
It is Nature's Life Milk-Free Acidophilous.
Ingredients: Carrots, Green Peas, lactobacillus acidophilous, gelatin
capsule
and magnesium stearate.
Their web site is www.natlife.com.
I hope this will help! Best to you and William, Christine.
Probiotics yeast die off
[email protected] wrote:To Jen,
Hi! I am glad to read your post! I had been wanting to ask you about
Colin. I am so glad he is doing well. It is truly amazing!! I am also
wondering about the probiotics, I know Colin takes those, and you mentioned
about the "die-off" of the yeast. I was wondering about that, if that could
be what was happening to us. Because initially when we took the custom
probiotics pure acidophilus powder, it gave us all those symptoms, and then
we stopped for a few days, and tried again, and it still did it. But for
right now, we are doing okay, but I feel like I need to be replacing the good
bacteria. Did that happen to COlin initially? A sort of die off reaction?
[Jen answered]
I just responded to this in another e-mail...but here it is again. :)
Die-off in Colin included throwing up (his first experience with probiotics; I
think we gave him too much!), diar., constipation, and light-brown-yeasty
looking stools. You just have to keep experimenting with the amount.
And, it works better on an empty stomach. We give it to him with a little juice
mixed with water. I know a little legal sugar can help get the bacteria to
start eating and doing their job!!!
FOR KIDS WHO HAVE EXTREME SENSITIVITY TO THE PROBIOTIC
Yes, the custom probiotics acidophilus is very high concentration. Jen gave
Colin three of the small scoops. The small scoop, if you don't have it, is
very very small. Call Harry and ask him to send you one. We had major
problems tolerating the probiotics at first, and I also was thinking of
Elaine's recommendation for 3 billion. So, here's what I did:
I took one of the large scoops (which is about 1/4 tsp), and blended it in
exactly one cup of filtered water. I then gave William 1 tablespoon of that
water. So if you do the math, then theoretically, (if you blended it well
and the liquid was homogenous) each tablespoon should have about 4 1/2
billion cfu's (4.7 billion to be more exact).
I also took one tablespoon of it, and then I tossed the rest. I know this
may seem wasteful for an expensive product, but for us it was the only way,
and we had to try very small amounts, and I wanted to be exact, to know how
much he was getting. Then, I slowly increased that amount. I began giving
it twice a day. Now, we are tolerating it much better, and use a small scoop
to measure and don't have to waste any, don't have to measure out the water,
etc.
Sonya
USE THE CUSTOM PROBIOTIC ONE
THIS ONE HAS DAIRY,PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
Hi Gretchen,
I e-mail my order to the company. Here are the details:
Lyo-San inc.
500 Aeroparc boulevard P O Box 598
Lachute Quebec Canada J8H 4G4
Telephone : (450) 562 8525
Toll Free : (450) 562 8525 (Montreal)
......... : 1 800 363 3697 (Canada)
Fax...... : (450) 562 1433
E-Mail... : [email protected]
Internet. : www.yogourmet.com
Lots of people get theirs from Lucy's kitchen shop, she's in the U.S.
www.lucyskitchenshop.com
It's a great site with lots of SCD items, including her cookbook.
The Lyo-san acidophilus capsules contain: skim milk powder, lactic acid
bacteria (LAB) and a coating of cellulose. (The skim milk powder is
digested by the LAB)
Sheila
,
STEAMING THE VEGETABLES
:
Hi Sonya,
When I say steam, I mean I steam my veggies until they are super tender.
(Even when I first started I used to steam the veggies then puree them in
the blender. I used to do that when they were babies.) I bought a little
collapsible steamer from Wal-mart (about $5 Canadian). It is also quicker
than boiling because steam is hotter than boiling water. You could try a
little bit of an already well established vegetable as the next "new
thing".
In other words, just try a well steamed vegetable in tiny amounts,
then wait
a day etc. Also, my kids really prefer the steamed veggies well over
boiled - much tastier. If you steam, the veggies you don't lose all those
wonderful vitamins in the cook water. Can you tell I am a great fan of
steamed veggies? :)
Sheila
>I am struggling a bit with that right now, as I want to steam things and
try
>to rpeserve all the vitamins. I was taught to just "barely" cook a lot of
>vegetables, you know, leave them still slightly crispy, to preserve
vitamins,
>but now I am cooking everything into mush in tons of water. At what point
>should I start lessening the very soft cooked vegetable stage? I
don't want
>to give him anything too indigestible.
>Sonya
Vegetables
I have always thought it was good to eat the veggies just lightly steamed,
very crisp, preserve more nutrients, etc. BUT, in the very beginning,
peeling and cooking them breaks down the cell walls and makes the intestine
able to absorb them.
(Sonya)
vegetables
Hi all. We always peel and boil vegetables really well. In my mind, I always
thought it was better to make sure Colin's stools were regular first. If your
body isn't ready to digest raw or steamed food....then you will continue to
feed the bad bacteria....and may not absorb the vitamins anyways. Once the gut
is more healed, and you can truly break down the vegetables, then you can
abosorb these nutrients.
Colin still can't do raw veggies. Some people on the regular SCD list have had
similar experiences. For Celiacs if you recall from the book--Meat is the
easiest to break down, then fats, then everything else (even the SCD legal
foods). But everyone is different. Each individual damaged gut is just
that--individual. Colin's was especially damaged. I am waiting patiently...
Best,
Jen and Colin
APPLES
Yup, the pectin as an added ingredient is illegal. Pectin, like that which is
found in apple peels, can be used by harmful bacteria. That is one of the
reasons why at the beginning of the diet you should peel, core and cook apples.
When it is concentrated, as when it is an added ingredient, you are getting
a huge hit of pectin (which is a complex sugar) and any remaining "bad
bacteria" will eat it up and say thank you.
CONSTIPATION
PS If constipation lasts more than a few days, try boiled down prune juice and
OJ mixed together. Elaine has the exact amounts..
Jen
HYPERACTIVITY
I just know the power of the gut. If Colin is hyper some days, I just give him
extra acidophilus and/or some natural anti-fungals (cranberry, garlic,
monolaurin, etc.) and he is fine again.
_________________________________________________________________
SUPPLEMENTS
Dear Ann,
So sorry I took so long to reply to your Q. Root canal this week. You
asked:
<< Just wondering if you've found any vitamin, mineral, etc supplements
that
are SC
compatible? >>
Yes. A few. I really make an effort to eat as many high nutrient foods
as
possible so I can minimize supplements. But I feel a few can be so
important
and helpful.
I love the Freeda vitamins as compared to the many other multiples I
have
tried. I also take their B and C Stress blend. Thanks, Elaine for the
Freeda's !!
I take the plant-based enzymes from Prevail detailed in an e-mail I
sent a
few minutes ago, the Vitase Digestion Formula. They are effective and
gentle.
I take a wonderful calcium supplement from Thorne Research. They have
several. I believe the choice of which one is personal as ppl's mineral
needs
vary in amount so much. I find these excellent and well-absorbed as
they are
in caps, not pressed.
I take magnesium from Tyler, Magnesium Glycinate Plus. I have found it
is the
best absorbed and utilized, if a bit pricey.
I take a C-500 Complex Bioflavanoids Rutin from Nature's Life with my
meals.
The Vitamin C is as Ascorbic Acid. The Lemon BIoflavanoid Complex
provides
"Hesperidin, Naringenin, Eriocitrin, Flavanols, Flavones and Phenols
from
Acerola Berry Powder, Hesperidin Bioflavanoid Complex, Rutin Complex."
So
caution to those who react to natural phenols on this one. Otherwise,
they
can be helpful.
The "other ingredients" listed at bottom are: calcium carbonate,
cellulose,
silicon dioxide, magnesium stearate, bell pepper, rosehips powder and
micro-cellulose coating." I wonder if Elaine has any comments about
these
"other ingredients".
Finally, I like to keep on hand a bottle of parsley leaf tablets from
Nature's Way for when I am too busy to get enough parsley in my diet.
It is
so full of minerals and good things, I feel we should eat lots of it
all the
time, as well as other greens.
I hope this helps. Write if you have any Q's.
Love, Christine.
SUPPLEMENTS * * * * * * * * * * * (* * * *
*DR. E. ZIMMERMAN 20.00% OFF OR IF YOU ORDER OVER $100.00 THERE WILL BE NO
SHIPPING COSTS OF THE FREEDA VITAMINS - ORDER FROM:
. 1.800.777.3737. 36 East 41st Street, New York, N.Y.
10017-6203 [ASK FOR THE "SCD compliant ones" AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DIET]
GET THE ONE W/O GLAZE, RESINS, OR GUM.
ASK HIM TO SEND YOU A COPY OF THE, "FREEDA VITAMIN PRODUCTS WITHOUT GLAZE OR
GUM", TO USE WHEN ORDERING.
WEBSITE: HTTP://WWW.FREEDAVITAMINS.COM/SHOP
Make sure that the ultra Freeda without iron is only one per day. The bottle prescribes 3[from Elaine]
Get the first two:
*#0027 Quin B Strong w/Vitamin C and Zinc cut in half [1/2, one a
day] When you order you must specify "SCD compliant"!
*#0281 Freeda Ultra Vitamin w/o iron [one a day] in cold climates in the
winter] or when feeling tired, Ultra Freeda has a sensible and well balanced
mineral supplement in it as well as A, D, and E.
#0106 Calcium Ascorbat Powder supplement with magnesium, potassium,
zinc, manganese, and calcium;
#0061 Vitamin A 5000-10000 IU w/o Vitamin D in the Spring, Summer,
and Fall [1 per day];
#0110/3 Vitamin E Liquid [alpha-D-tocopherol] [for the heart 1 every
other day];
Folic Acid .4mg-.8mg especially if on medication like Azulfidine
[sulfasaliazine], and if pregnant [1 per day], to prevent colon
cancer, if you drink, or if not on Azulfidine .1mg a day will be
enough;
#0237 Vitamin D3 400 IU, during cold weather areas;
*For dry skin the fat soluble Vitamins A, E, AND D in the cold
climates;
TYLENOL
Tylenol (Dr. Zimmerman assured me it's legal) ADWE Pain Relief extra
strength, 60 caps. 500 mg.acetaminophen.
*SHIPPED ALL AROUND THE WORLD BY DR. ZIMMERMAN. .
WEBSITE: HTTP://WWW.FREEDAVITAMINS.COM/SHOP
ASK Marilee about MAGNESIUM POWDER
Marilee "Marilee Stauffer" WROTE:
Here is Natural Calm at a good price suggested from the SCD-List:
http://www.coastherbal.com/natural_calm3.htm
Seth WROTE:
Ingredients are: cellulose, stearic acid, and mangesium stearate.
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml
These gave been posted from the SCDiet listserve. Loving Care, Gay