An Unfortunate & Irrational Outpouring
Of
'East Indian' Malice & Xenophobia

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A 'Peter Rebello' mailed me to draw my attention to a new blog, http://EastIndians.blogspot.com asking:
From: Peter Rebello
To: Lúcio Mascarenhas
Subject: Catholic East Indian blogsite on the net
Date: Sat, Mar 3, 2007

Came across a blogsite named http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com but is it true what is written on the blogsite and the information posted in the comments menu?

A Goan
I accordingly visited the site, and found it to be what can be described, at the most charitable, as "An Unfortunate & Irrational Outpouring of Malice & Xenophobia", and something that is beneath contempt. Yet, despite being contemptible, the errors it puts forward must necessarily be challenged and countered, and I will do precisely that.

First of all, I have known and still know several 'East Indians', and am on very friendly terms with one such 'East Indian' who is strongly involved in social welfare works for the 'East Indians;' it is my belief that the average "East Indian" is a decent person; I am very confident that my "East Indian" activist-friend will deprecate and disown the tripe put up on this 'East Indian' blog as being malicious and nonsensical.

Secondly, one must bear in mind that ethnic differences between fellow-Christians must not be exaggerated. As the Holy Bible warns us, in the Church, "There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians iii, 28). Nevertheless, despite this, there remains a legitimate scope for ethnic self-respect, an extension of the inferior virtue of patriotism.

To answer the blog systematically:

  1. Not all 'East Indians' are paupers and not all Goan, Mangalorean Christians, etc. are economically well off. Indeed, it is a fact, that among the Goan Christians at least, poverty is relatively more prevalent than among the 'East Indians' or Mangaloreans.


  2. The 'East Indians' are an admixture of descendants of converts from different caste and socio-cultural backgrounds, from the various Brahmin castes such as the Samavedis and the Pathare Prabhus, to Kshatriya, Vaisya and Shudra castes and sub-castes, the last including the Nakhwa Kolis. It is not at all true that the last (Nakhwa Koli) are distinct from the rest of the 'East Indians', and any such pretension can only be the result of a false and inexcusably discriminatory superiority syndrome.


  3. It is true that most of the land in the city and suburbs of Bombay belonged predominantly to the Catholic 'East Indians' and that they have been expropriated (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/expropriation) often with no real compensation, in a naked land grab, both by the English and by the Free India government. This is a wrong that needs to be addressed and corrected.


  4. It is not true that the Nakhwa Kolis have not suffered. They too have been deprived and continue to be deprived, by land expropriations in an manner worse than the 'upper caste' 'East Indians', by being denied access to the sea principally due to rampant reclamation of land including creeks and inlets permitting fishing craft access to the sea, besides the rampant pollution and destruction of mangrove (inter-tidal swamps) lands.


  5. It is indeed hypocritical and unfortunate that the City of Bombay and the Province (Pradesh) of Maharashtra mollycoddle slum dwellers who are basically illegal encroachers on lands that do not belong to them, via the 'Slum Rehabilitation Authority', even while it turns a blind eye to the plight of the 'East Indians', the aborigine natives of Bombay, whose lands and properties continue to be expropriated.

    Thus, we read the report of the 'Afzulpurkar Committee' appointed by the Shiv Sena-BJP government of Maharashtra in 1995 under the chairmanship of Mr. Dinesh Afzalpurkar, Chief Secretary of Maharashtra:
    "For lifting them (slum encroachers) from their present levels, cross-subsidisation of the cost of their dwelling units and allotting them free of charge, though not supported by housing philosophy, had become a necessity and a cure in the given situation.

    "Slum-dwellers deserve this preferential — probably unequal treatment — to bring them into the mainstream of social, cultural and economic fabric of this pulsating city. The study group has relied heavily on this philosophy.

    "If inequality has to be removed, there have to be unequal laws." — Afzalpurkar Committee Report, 2000 A.D.
    Thus, the government of Maharashtra considers it a necessity to legitimize and provide free housing to people who have stolen other people's lands in broad daylight — and with the connivance of the State and its functionaries — even as it rejects with contempt the rights of legitimate property owners, the 'East Indians', who have been blasely expropriated, and refuses to compensate and rehabilitate them!!!


  6. It is utterly false and a malicious misrepresentation of the facts to pretend that "after 1960, Goan, Mangalorean, etc. priests took advantage of the economic pre-occupation of the 'East Indians' and as a result successfully monopolized the clergy...." This is a very basic — and false — simplification of the truth.

    As a matter of fact, the 'East Indians' were once part of the same larger social and ethnic community along with the Goans and the Mangaloreans, jointly part of the Konkani (or, more precisely, 'Concannim') ethnic community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Indians).

    The Mangaloreans emigrated from Goa in successive waves at the urging of the Kings of Bednore and Soonda, but were transformed radically by the trauma of Tipu Sultan's pogroms and having to take refuge with the Hindus of the region, so that they became largely approximated to the Hindus.

    On the other hand, the 'East Indians' were historically called Norteiros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteiro_people) or 'Northern people' by the Portuguese who had conquered Bombay and its environs from the Arabs and Turks, etc. and who had converted most of the native peoples, regardless of caste, to the True Faith.

    With Goa in the center of Portuguese India, Bombay and Bacaim were called the North or, more precisely, 'the Court of the North' after the governing body administering the area from Bacaim, while the Mangalore and Karwar (or North & South Canara) regions was called the South or 'Missao do Sul'.

    After the transfer of Bombay to England, and in the era following the Napoleonic Wars and the Michaeline War in Portugal, between King Michael I and the traitor Peter the Apostate, his elder brother, supported by England, when Goans began to be enticed by the English to come and take up employment with them in Bombay, the Norteiros, who were called Bombay Portuguese by the English, as contrasted to the Goans, alarmed at the intrusion of Goans and the economic threat they posed, and in order to stress their loyalties to England in opposition to the Goans, who were subjects of Portugal, renamed themselves after the East India Company as the 'East Indians'. But this is a foolish name, for British India, Dutch India, Spanish India (the Philippines), Portuguese India, etc., together form the East Indies, and all the inhabitants, are together the true East Indians (The name 'East Indian' in its correct form, is the opposite of 'West Indian', which refers originally to all of the Americas, and now principally to the states of the former British West Indies in the Caribbean Sea & Antilles Islands).

    Moreover, this move was instigated by the English themselves as part of their basic 'Divide et impera' (Divide & rule) policy copied from the Muslims' Millat system.

    Again, during the three of four centuries prior to World War I, the Goans, Norteiros and Mangaloreans were united together in the imbroglio called the Padroado-Propaganda Conflict, with one group of Catholics holding to the old Catholic jurisdiction or Royal Patronage ("Padroado") exclusively granted in perpetuity by the Popes to the Kings of Portugal, and the other holding to the jurisdiction of the Vicars Apostolic sent out by the later Popes under the auspices of the "Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith" or 'Propaganda Fide' ("Propaganda"). During this time, Goans were split against Goans, Norteiros against Norteiros, and Mangaloreans against Mangaloreans.

    Also, as the Goans remained under the Portuguese while the Norteiros and Mangaloreans came under the Protestant English or Hindu or Muslim kings, such as Tipu Sultan, etc., they alone remained most fervent in the faith and therefore too, for all those centuries, it was the Goans who produced more priests and clerics than any other ethnic group in the East Indies, barring possibly the Philippinians. It was Goan priests who manned the missions all over British India, and who went as missionaries to the British and Portuguese East Africas and to West Asia. The predominance of Goan priests, and to a lesser extent, of Mangalorean priests, was not due to any conspiracy or underhandedness, but merely the result of historic development, just as the Irish served the purpose of re-Christianizing much of Western Europe after the devastations caused by the Teutonic incursions.


  7. It is a nonsensical lie and gross pretension that "all the schools and churches in Bombay and its environs were built by the 'East Indians'". It is also nonsensical to pretend that the vast majority of Church properties were acquired between 1947 & 1960, and that "all from the 'East Indians'". As a matter of fact, most of the Church properties date back from Portuguese and the Padroado-Propaganda Conflict times, when often Padroado and Propaganda parties set up rival parishes in close proximity to each other, as a result of mutual recriminations, schisms and splits.


  8. It is false and malicious to allege that "Goan and Mangalorean priests" misused Church properties in Bombay & environs to benefit exclusively Goans and Mangaloreans to the exclusion and detriment of the 'East Indians'. It is also wickedly ungrateful — given that, as a result of the selfless work of European, Goan, Mangalorean and other priests, including the occasional 'East Indian' priest, the 'East Indians' are the most educated, relatively, than the Goan or Mangalorean communities in Bombay!


  9. It is a very vicious lie, and one that crosses all limits of decency, to allege that "during the Konkani masses in Church the Goan / Manglorean priests share a lot of secret information with the Goans and Mangloreans".

    Additionally, this is also an untenable pretension, as the 'East Indians' claim to be Marathi, and spoken Marathi and spoken Konkani are largely inter-intelligible!

    Churches have never been used to share any kind of secret information, and it also remains true that, relative to the Goans, the 'East Indians' are largely more affluent!!!

    As for the Mangaloreans, they partake of a common entrepreneurial spirit found also in the Hindus (e.g., the Shettys, etc.) of the same region (Mangalore-Tuluva), and their relative prosperity is by no means the result of any such pretended 'Church conspiracy'.

    Moreover, Goans and Mangaloreans, though sharing the Konkani language, do not get along well, and will hardly cooperate in such a public conspiracy!

    Lastly, this allegation is nonsensical since 'Konkani masses' and other vernacular services did not exist 1947-1960, but were introduced 1969, as a result of the Vatican II Reforms!!!

EPILOGUE: A WARNING

The Norteiros or strangely self-styled 'East Indians' once before betrayed and broke the unity of the Konkani people by prostituting themselves to their Protestant English masters, putting things of this world above the Kingdom of God, and thereby injuring both themselves and the other Konkani peoples.

Today, it is becoming apparent that, in order to once again divide and conquer, the Shiv Sena, the rabidly anti-Christian organization representing the Marathi colonists and imperialists in the Konkan, is cultivating certain 'East Indian' renegades, miscreants and malcontents in order to further destroy the Christians in Bombay, and that the above blog is part of this vile, nefarious and Satanic endeavor.

Let the 'East Indian' community stop and take heed; let them reflect on the mistakes of history and on what course they are precipitating themselves by this foolishness, and let them disown such criminal vermin and frustrate their mischief, in their own interest, if not in the common interest of all Christians and all the Konkani peoples.

Kind regards,


Lucio Mascarenhas

EAST INDIANS OF BOMBAY

Source: http://www.EastIndians.blogspot.com
EAST INDIANS the original inhabitants of Bombay and Salsette islands have become beggars on their own land whereas people who came from various parts of India to Bombay and salsette islands became lakhpatis and crorepatis.
"One Body, One Hope, One Spirit, One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. One God The Father Above All In All" ...Amen.
There are two original inhabitants of Bombay and salsette islands.........one are the east indians who live in Gaothans-(villages) ...........and the other are the kolis who live in koliwadas.

There are around 200 east indian gaothans spread across bombay and salsette islands and there are around 10 koliwadas in bombay..........a century back all east indian gaothans in bombay and salsette islands were surrounded with rice fields, ponds, wells and crosses........but look today what has happened.........the agricultural land surrounding east indian gaothans have all been utilized by the Maharashtra govt. and the Bombay Muncipal Corp. and other private enterprises for building housing societies, government colonies, slums, factories, industrial/commercial complexes, textile mills, airports, midc, seepz, schools, colleges, playgrounds, hospitals, railways, roads, bombay/kalina university, etc..............forget the agricultural land even the ponds and wells have vanished in the arms of development.

Unlike the kolis who till today have not lost their traditional source of income from fishing the east indians in bombay and salsette islands lost their traditional source of income from rice cultivation due to their agricultural lands being taken away for industrialisation of bombay.

First the Britishers took the agricultural land surrounding east indian gaothans in South and Central Bombay but in return gave government jobs to east indians living there........and after 1960 the Maharashtra government took all the agricultural lands surrounding the east indian gaothans in other parts bombay and salsette islands by invoking the Land Acquisition Act but in return gave a meagre compensation to east indians under the threat of take it or leave it.

Following are the three main problems due to which majority of East Indians in Bombay are suffering economically.

Problem No. 1 : ECONOMIC PERSECUTION BY MAHARASHTRA GOVT. & THE BOMBAY MUNCIPAL CORPORATION

After 1960 the Maharashtra govt. started taking the agricultural lands surrounding the east indian gaothans in bombay and salsette islands by invoking the Land Acquisition Act.......but in return for acquiring the agricultural lands the maharashtra govt. did not give adequate compensation to east indians............neither the maharashtra govt. gave government jobs to east indians.......neither the Maharashtra govt. gave Additional FSI ( floor space index ) for east indian gaothans.........neither the Bombay Muncipal Corp. gave consession in property tax to east indian gaothans........east indians are a very silent and peace loving community but unfortunately their silence has ruined them..............it is very strange that the slum dwellers in Bombay and salsette islands who are living on the former rice feilds of east indians have been given an FSI of between 2 to 4 but East Indian gaothans have been given only 0.75 FSI due to which east indians are not able to raise their houses to accomodate new members of the family............and since houses in east indian gaothans are very close to each other there is no space for horizontal expansion..............since east indians are christians their demand to get additional FSI for their gaothans are being ignored by the maharashtra government and the bombay muncipal corp..............every land related act ( land acquisition act, town planning act, bombay rent control act, urban land ceiling act, etc) passed by maharashtra government and bombay muncipal corp. since 1960 has directly affected the survival and livelihood of east indians in bombay and salsette islands.........unlike the illegal migrants including slum dwellers and legal migrants living in bombay and salsette islands who have their agricultural land and ancestral homes in their native places the east indians dont have any native place.......jeena yahan marna yahan iske siva jana kahan.

Problem No. 2 : GOAN & MANGLOREAN PRIESTS

1960 onwards East Indians in Bombay and Salsette islands due to their economic problems were not in a position to take part in church duties as a result unscrupulous priests from Goa and Mangalore got an opportunity to become the parish priests and principals of catholic churches and catholic schools in Bombay and salsette islands..........all the catholic churches and catholic schools in bombay and salsette islands were built by east indians..........the vaccant property in possession of catholic church and catholic schools which is now worth thousands of crores of rupees were given by childless east indian couples known as vanjris between 1947 and 1960...........but unfortunately the goan and manglorean priests who were in control of all catholic churches and catholic schools in bombay and salsette islands utilised the church and schools resources, money and property for the welfare and upliftment of goans and mangloreans living in Bombay and salsette islands........the goan and manglorean priests gave the goans and mangloreans first preference in admission in catholic schools in bombay & salsette islands and the property of catholic church and schools was also utilized to help goans and mangloreans........the goans and mangloreans both know the konkani language and during the konkani masses in church the goan/manglorean priests share a lot of secret information with the goans and mangloreans...........majority of goans and mangloreans living in bombay and salsette islands are economically well off only because of the moral, educational, financial, etc support which they have been receiving and are continuing to receive from the goan and manglorean priests.........the goan and manglorean priests never bothered to help the poor east indians and they were least bothered whether east indians were dead or alive...........majority of poor east indians were refused admission in catholic schools in bombay and salsette islands by this goan and manglorean priests and this is the reason why majority of poor east indians had to go in non-catholic schools many in muncipal schools.........the goan and manglorean priests have cheated and ignored the poor east indians and they have ruined the future of thousands of east indians in Bombay and salsette islands.

Problem No. 3 : ALCOHOLISM, INFIGHTING AND GOSSIPING

Dear East Indians you know the problem of alcoholism, infighting and gossiping in your gaothans but can you solve those problems ?

BIBLE

Dear East Indian you are not able to tackle your internal and external problems because you dont read the Bible.........read the bible and charge your body with the power of God.

Time is money and you are not going to live forever........if you are a true east indian you will take a printout of what is written above and remove 25 xerox copies of that printout and distribute those xerox copies in your gaothan.......click the comment menu below to read what other east indians have to say.

Comments

  1. glad to know that someone is trying to do something about the sorry state of our community. as far as i know we've been granted OBC status but there's nothing further being done about that. have we been reduced to begging for jobs and a livelihood? is it that bad? my dad has literally come up from the gutters because his father drank. not all of us are blinded by money. most of us are. true a bungalow in bandra when sold will leave you with enough money to drink away the rest of your life, but do we have to think this way? people have come to bombay and made their dreams come true with nothing in their pockets. sadly we've gone the other way.

    Rebello, Bandra
    February 28, 2007 3:24 AM


  2. Anonymous said...

    Keep at it Good Fellow.!!... Let nourishing food for thought flow.... Roll out those words of wisdom... nonstop.....till... East Indians wake up one by one .... from their slumber...Let them see for themselves where they stand amongst the others... Its time East Indians woke up to Reality. The need of the hour is the willingness to set aside "personal" prejudices. Let's work for the benefit of the community and stand by each other for the "Cause".

    February 28, 2007 3:24 AM


  3. Anonymous said...

    And now again its that time of the year when the Traditional East Indians..will celebrate "Intruze". Some communities will sit in the "Goth" sharing wine and pork. Wining and dining in merriment from Fat Sunday to the wee hours of Wednesday. Oblivious to the fact that it is just this easy going attitude of ours which has let us lag far behind the other catholic communities in Mumbai. Times have changed now. We dont have fields anymore. We have to concentrate on the development of our children. Keep reminding them of their cultural roots. That they are East Indians and that they ought to get more involved in Parish Activities.

    February 28, 2007 3:24 AM


  4. Anonymous said...

    To my EAST-INDIAN friends a.k.a [western coast of maharashtra catholics].i am a mangalorean catholic .,but I have east-indians married into the family too.The martyrs of mangaloreans catholics exceed the martyrs of catholics belonging to any other other catholic community in india.The catholic mangaloreans today are the descendants of the 8% catholics of mangalore that survived during the tyrannical rule of Tipu Sultan ,more than two centuries ago. They managed to integrate themselves in different parts of India and the world ever since. They have come up in different spheres by their sheer grit and determination. They started off from a scratch as they had lost every thing to the muslim rulers of the south. They educated themselves under dire hardships and secured jobs through merit and not influence in different spheres including nuclear science,banking,literature,politics,education,engineering,medicine,etc.

    They retained their indianess in their language ,dress style,food and all life style.With their hard earned money they brought houses and flats in real estate all over mumbai and other place in india too.To say that they are cunning is not fair.They have not encroached on somebody elses land and captured things for free.They have purchased properties like homes and commercial premises which were up for sale due to the infighting in the east-indian community which led to economic problems and divisions in ancestral property.

    The easy money that the east-indian inherited from their ancestral properties made some of them lazy and they neglected their academic duties.

    In places like Bandra for eg. bungalow properties were sold to outside builders which in turn built skyscapers and sold the flats to the hindu-muslim communities and the catholics have been pushed to the far suburbs.

    One living example is the vast acres of land sold by one certain MR.Pereira to the Koja muslims just because they offered him a higher price. A mosque stands in the land that once belonged to him.

    The catholc communitties including the mangaloreans requested him to keep it within the catholic fold, for catholic societies but greed took over and he did not do so. He wasnt even hard up for money. He was already rich. Like wise many other catholic pockets are bacing the same story.

    Bandra once a thriving catholic suburb is reduced to a cosmopolitan hub of other religions. In fact the DAMIANs ,a goan family, their furniture shop and showroom exist to this very day in Bandra. His 3 sons havent even migrated abroad but in fact encourage to maintain the catholic presence in india. He came up with not inheritance but sheer hard work and honesty. A goan could make his home here and have a vision, then it was very easy for east-indians to do the same. Infact I.C. colony in Borivali[w] and ORLEM in MALAD[W] have become big catholic pocket today compared to the past.

    The native catholics of vasai dont even call themselves east-indians. They unlike most of the bombay east-indians have excelled in the field of education and serving in government jobs, including the post office,as well as teachers,doctors and other intellectual spheres in Bombay and the rest of india and the world.Many families in Vasai have given their sons and daughters for vocations as priests and nuns in churches and convents all over.

    But in the last 5 years the trend is changing in vasai too and it is going the bombay way.They too are selling their lands to outside builders because of property disputes and infighting .They are becoming increasingly materialistic in some cases.

    EAST-INDIANS should preserve their native culture ,language,music and identity .It is people like us who shape the future , so we have to be careful with the action that we take.They should study hard and excell in academics and create mark for themselves in society .They should have brotherly love as christs disciples amongst themselves and help the weaker ones to come up.

    The families of today should be guided properly by the parents so the youngsters dont choose the alcoholic road which in turn leads to ruin and joblessnesss,debts,etc.which forces them to sell their lands and properties.There should be more co-ordination with each other like last years east - indian festival where they can put forward their grievances and make known to others their culture and presence felt in mumbai.

    One suggestion i feel should be immediately done is opening up of an authentic east-india catholic restaurant in mumbai serving delicacies of the community.The eatery should not be restricted only to church fairs,etc.It should be a good full fledged restaurant servinh food on a every day basis.,in other words a full fledged restaurant .The mangaloreans,goans,keralites have done this decades ago and their dood and business is thriving. Also raise money FOR THE 4 CHURCHES out of 7 in vasai fort that needs preservation and the local vasai catholics are just not bothered.They act like misers when they have pleny of money to spare for lavish weddings ,communion celebrations [they use these ceremonies to display their wealth].The sunday box collections is very poor in the vasai village churches.They can get some encouragement from your blogsite.

    Shanti. S
    February 28, 2007 3:25 AM


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