Hocus Pocus' Spam Emails

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These are spam emails from Hocus Pocus, an "East Indian" Apostate, with a few replies by me and by the Administrator of the East-Indians.com website. These emails are put here as part of the exposure of the anti-Christian agenda of Hocus Pocus.


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From: james f jamesfr7@...
Date: Apr 6, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: MALYALEE MISSIONARIES CORRUPT CLERGY FOREIGN DONATIONS.
To: Undisclosed recipients

Respected Sir,

The catholic missionaries shout from the rooftops that they are not indulging in allurement based conversion activities but why is it that the missionaries operate only where the poorest of the poor especially where the tribals live or is it written somewhere in the Bible that only the poorest of the poor should be converted to catholicism.

90% of the catholic missionaries and nuns operating in India are from the state of Kerala. Most of this keralite malyalee nuns and missionaries have joined the nun / missionary profession merely to escape marital problems or inability in finding a suitable husband and brother

don�t tell me that the malyalee nuns / missionaries are using their own pocket money in serving/converting the poor. The money is obviously coming from donors in western countries and if the missionaries claim that they are not receiving foreign funding then they should explain as to how they are able to meet various expenses in serving/converting the poor.

The malyalee nuns and missionaries have fled from kandhmal to the safety of kerala leaving the tribals to fend for themselves in the relief camps.

The Malyalees or mallus whether they are hindus or catholics or nuns or missionaries they are very cunning people I have ever seen in my life time.... such a filth.... the so called acceptance of mallus worldwide (go figure), mallus working as nurses equivalent to whores (not all the nurses only mallu nurses) and the way they play politics in companies, ghosh, you can write a poetry.

The tribals are poor but one thing which the tribals possess is land. Some of the Tribals who donate their land to the local church think that the clergy will utilize the land for the benefit of the tribals

Sadly the clergy end up using the land for their personal benefits. This is also happening in towns and cities where the clergy including bishops and cardinals who preach from the pulpit of charity and serving the poor but sell away church properties and use the money received from sale of church properties for their personal benefit.

Most of the lay catholics living in urban cities of India know about the corrupt activities of the clergy and the allurement activities of the missionaries but the clergy and the missionaries are not bothered

At the same time the clergy and missionaries want the lay catholics to come out in large numbers to protest the atrocities inflicted by the sangh parivar.

The sangh parivar is doing what they are doing because they have the support of the local police and administration.

Catholicism has died in Europe not because the church was separated from the state but because corrupt and unscrupulous priests entered the church system.

The same thing is happening in India at present some of the poor catholics in urban cities are leaving the catholic church.

The catholic clergy have misused the responsible freedom which the ecumenical council of Vatican-II granted them.

The Congress party is majorly responsible for the growth of poverty, corruption, unemployment, slums, anti-farmer sez policy,etc and I hope in the coming elections the congress party gets decimated.

For peace and tranquility in India conversions, polygamy, sangh parivar, etc should be banned and the two child policy should be enforced vigourously.

The above are my personal opinion and its upto you to decide whether what I have written is fact or bullshit. You are Not the only one who has received this mail

The contents of this mail has also been sent to the email ids of rss, vhp, print/tv news media, journalists, yahoo/google groups, etc.

Yours faithfully,


James Fernandes
Santacruz, Bombay.

Ye Olde Malefactor's Agenda

When I forwarded "James Nadar"'s hatemongering mail, I had not had the time to read it thoroughly. However, having read it thoroughly, I was astonished to find clues there which explain what Ye Olde Malefactor is all about, and what is his true agenda. Indeed, I now have clarity. I labored under the delusion that this man was confused and self-contradictory, but now I know better.

The fact is that Ye Olde Malefactor, if one goes by the interesting and illuminating mail by "James Nadar," is all about the BJP-Shiv Sena's Agenda of hating Christ and Christianity, and of utterly destroying Christianity in South Asia.

He is affiliated, not only with the Shiv Sena, which has a visceral, inveterate hatred for Christ and for Christianity, but also with the viciously anti-Christian "Poor Christians' Liberation Movement." He has time and again attacked what he calls the "Malayalee-driven agenda of mass conversion of the ignorant and illiterate tribals", not only as "James Nadar" (a "Malyalee" pseudonym that our cowardly fiend assumes out of his satanic pride) but also under several other of his pseudonyms.

Ye Olde Malefactor has gone on record to attack Goans, Mangaloreans, Keralites, Romans and Portuguese, who, according to him, led his ancestors away from the original Christianity imparted to his remote ancestors by St. Bartholomeo the Apostle, and into the Catholic Faith, etc. Which people is it that this Malefactor does not hate and badword?

The PCLM is a criminal organization, yet another front thrown up by the BJP's Sangh Parivar in order to seduce and mislead Christians and to bring about their total destruction in South Asia, if not worldwide.

Ye Olde Malefactor now stands condemned by his own words, exposing himself as a worthy son of Julian the Apostate, a worthy son of Lucifer and a missionary for the devils.

Let all who would be Christian flee from the likes of him.

Regards,


Lucio Mascarenhas

Re: An Update on Ye olde racist malefactor

Truth is unpleasant to cockroaches: The Truth Bites!!!

Ye Olde Malefactor is at it again. Unable to refute my logic, he resorts to threats of hooliganism. But this only acts as proof in my favor and against him. There is a good reason why this coward is desperate to terrorize me into silence.

What is my offence? My offence is the offence of the lamb who dares to speak against the wolf, the sower of lies and of error. But while I am not a malefactor like our cowardly fiend, I am no push-over either. I have always trusted in the God of Israel, who commanded Israel to slay the Canaanites to the last man, woman and child, and who overthrew the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha and of Jericho. My trust is in the God of David. As the Bible says, "There is a time for peace, and a time for war."

But what is all of this all about? Why, it should be obvious as the clearest day light. It is that our cowardly fiend is of the very same mold as the illustrious Thackerays, the whole sordid lot of them. There is no difference between their terrorism and his. He patterns himself on them. His hooliganism takes off after theirs. He patterns himself after them faithfully and absolutely. He is a coward just like them, hiding their yellow livers behind mobs and hordes that they sicce on in their paranoia born out of their psychotic obsession that everyone and everyone is out against them.

And most of all, it is the fear and loathing and overpowering hatred of the truth. The Cockroach hates truth, because truth is antithetical to his very existence.

So, what should I do? Allow Ye Olde Malefactor to terrorize me? No way. I trust in the God of St. James Matamoros, the God of St. Francis Xavier, who interceded with God to drive the Moors from before Malacca, and the God of Mary, the Mother of God, Vanquisher of Heretics, Victor of Lepanto, etc.

Or as Montalembert proclaimed: "In the name of Catholics... I say we are the successors of the Martyrs, and we do not tremble before the successors of Julian the Apostate. We are the sons of the Crusaders, and we will never draw back before the sons of Voltaire." (Charles Forbes Ren� de Montalembert, March 18, 1810-March 13, 1870, Speech of 1841)

Indeed, this son of the great Affonso de Albuquerque, of St. Francis Xavier, of Antonio do Porto, will not yield before Ye Olde Malefactor.

Regards,


Lucio Mascarenhas
From: village voice vilvoice@...
Date: Apr 27, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: LUCIO MASCARENHAS Alias LUND FAKIR CHAND Re: An Update on Ye olde racist malefactor
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

Lucio Mascarenhas alias Lund Fakir chand alias son of a Dharavi Prostitute stop targeting the EI community else we know your place of residence and we will come and take our revenge.

An Update on Ye olde racist malefactor

The anonymous, cowardly, Protestant "East Indian" hatemongerer who uses several different pseudonyms, such as "Eric J. de Sousa," "Vernon Rodrigues," "Sebastian Fernandes," "James Nadar," among others, is at it again, with his latest missive "Lucio's deadly mission against East Indians" (See below; since then he has written yet another malicious piece against Christian missionary efforts). He is also a liar. I have not indulged in personal attacks, and I am not a member or poster on the Mangalorean forum he speaks off; I have always attacked error, fighting sin, not the sinner. Yet, I have also refused to back away from the truth, calling a spade a spade, and a hatemongerer a hatemongerer. For all that, I have never stooped to the foul language used by this coward, who has the courage to insult a woman whom he does not know as a "Prostitute." What that speaks of him is open to all to understand.

My agenda has always been that of Christianity:
The Corporal Works of Mercy

Feed the hungry | Give drink to the thirsty | Clothe the naked | Shelter the homeless | Comfort the imprisoned | Visit the Sick | Bury the dead

The Spiritual Works of Mercy

Admonish sinners | Instruct the uninformed | Counsel the doubtful | Comfort the sorrowful | Be patient with those in error | Forgive offences | Pray for the living and the dead
I have advocated the interests of all Christians disregarding any discriminatory parameters. I have advocated the interests of the Norteiros or "East Indians." Yes, I have also fought against the Marathis, and I continue to do so. That has never been a secret. The "East Indians" are natives of the Konkan, and for the reasons I have outlined, their original language was Konkani, not Marathi, and their present language is not true, pure Marathi, but a mixture of Konkani, Portuguese, English and Marathi. The Marathi have been our enemy since the last 2500 years, when they migrated from "North India" (Gangetic Basin) to "Maharashtra Desh" (Pune & Marathawada divisions); the Marathis have constantly sought to encroach into the Konkan to their west; the Marathis first invaded the Konkan on a grand scale during the Seuna Yadava Empire of Deonagar / Devgiri, and again when remnants of the Seuna dynasty fled from the Khilji Conquest into the Konkan under Prince Bhima, setting up his capital at Mahikawati, modern Mahim. The agenda of the Shiv Sena and of others, including the Congress, the NCP, the MNS, Nitin Wagle, the PWP, etc., is a continuation of this age-old aggression against the Konkan, an aggression against Christianity as well. The very nature of the Shiv Sena is Hindu triumphalism, celebrating the priapic demon Shiva, a disgrace to mankind. No sane and believing Christian can have anything to do with Shiva or the Shiv Sena; Christianity and Shiva are antithetical. Shivaji, who was set up by the Pharisees, Freemasons, Dutch and English against Portugal and the Konkan, murdered many Christians, including priests. He is a murderer of Saints. So with his son Shambaji, who sought to outdo him. The Bible is very clear, and unambiguous. The First Commandment is very clear and unambiguous. I don't need to apologize for my stand. What the Marathis did to the Konkan is not "historical" as if it is in the past; it is ongoing, and we therefore do not have the luxury of overlooking or ignoring their continuing aggression. Until the Maratha invasion and conquest of the Portugese North Konkan (the Corte de Norte, which gave these people the name "Norteiros," based in the now destroyed city of Ba�aim / Bassein / Vasai), the Norteiros and the Goans and the Mangaloreans were one people, speaking the same language. We used the same basic evangelical tool, the Christa Paurana as designed by the English Jesuit in Goa, Tome Estevao (Thomas Steven), and all three continue to use the same text, written in the Konkani current in Goa at that time. The Christa Paurana of the Goans, Mangaloreans and Norteiros ("East Indians") is exactly the same text, not translations; if the "East Indians" were originally Marathi, they would not have been able to use a text written in Goa in the language then current in Goa, and which is still used by Goans and Mangaloreans. That the Christa Paurana as used by Goans and by Norteiros ("East Indians") is exactly the same can very easily be verified: The Bombay University Library at Fort has the Priolkar Collection, which includes several editions of the Christa Paurana dating from 1900-1940, published in Goa. It can easily be verified that these versions are exactly the same as those used by the Norteiros. Again, anthropological evidence prooves that the Norteiros could not have been originally Marathi, although there would certainly have been remnants, such as the Pathare Prabhus, who were originally Marathi refugees who came in with the Seuna Yadavas from Devgiri. These Pathare Prabhus are to be distinguished from the later Pathare Prabhus who came in during the British rule, as refugees from oppression by the Konkani Chitpavan Brahmin Peshwas of Pune; the earlier group was evangelized by the Portuguese, the later were and are Hindus.

The anthropological evidence is clear: Arab Muslim refugees who immigrated into the Konkan within a century of the foundation of Mahomettanism, as a result of an internal civil war; Somalians or "Siddis" who were imported as slaves by the Arabs, the Chitpavans themselves, who evidently immigrated into the Konkan soon after the Arab Muslim conquests of West and Central Asia, all adopted Konkani, the local language, and till today, they speak their own dialects of Konkani. Even the Samavedi "East Indians" of Vasai speak their own dialect of Konkani, not Marathi. Again, when the Marathi and Gujaratis (Saurashtrians and Kathiawaris) invaded and colonized the North and Central Konkan, they reduced the native Konkani to a subject, depressed people, called the Konkni, and all of the North and Central Konkan is dotted with Koknipadas, the hamlets of these Konkanis reduced to a lower caste status. It is impossible therefore that any people could have lived in the Konkan and not have assimilated to the Konkani language; the Norteiros were normal Konkani people, not any specialized refugee immigrant population, and so there is no reason why they should have been an exception to the rule that the original peoples of the Konkan originally spoke Konkani.

The Norteiros are fighting for their legitimate rights, including rights over land. They cannot win this fight all by themselves; they certainly cannot win it by making Goans and Mangaloreans their enemies. And Christians are already so small a group that we just simply cannot afford the luxury of fighting among ourselves, and letting our mammoth enemies a cakewalk by default. But this is exactly the agenda of the hatemongerer. He does not seek to save the Norteiros, but he is an agent of the Marathiwadis out to bring about the total destruction of the Christians in South Asia.

Christianity in Bombay is not the sole contribution of the Norteiros. The Goans were the first to supplement the White Portuguese, and the Keralites have contributed a large share in manpower. Many of the Churches in Bombay island and elsewhere were built by funds from the Royal Treasury of Portugal; very few Churches have been built since then, and those with contributions from all Christians, whether Goans, Mangaloreans, Keralites, Norteiros, etc. Yes, the Norteiros owned nearly all the land in Bombay, and so they more often than not made most of the land contributions for churches built after the Portuguese period.

The Churches are there for all Christians, whether Goans, Mangaloreans, Keralites, Norteiros, etc., not solely for a racist monopoly by Norteiros. Anyway, this malefactor does not speak for all Norteiros, although he pretends to, and earnestly wishes that all buy into his poisonous agenda. These lands are diocesan properties, not "East Indian"-owned lands.

This man himself advocates exactly that what I do, only in a more confused and self-contradictory manner: The creation of a Konkan province or state (See below his email titled "Bombay Referendum - City State or Union Territory?"

He writes:
There are the agri sena and kunbi sena in konkan who have been spearheading a movement to free entire Konkan from the clutches of the tyrannical Maratha rule. This makes sense since the entire coastline will be protected by the people of konkan. This konkan state would include whole coastal areas from daman and Diu till Karvar. Now that's a distant dream worth fighting for. The question is 'Will the Marathas allow Konkan to separate from Maharashtra?'
Yet, how does he intend to achieve this cause which he himself admits is "a dream worth fighting for"? He says that it is to include the entire Konkan stretch "from Daman till Karwar," a stretch which includes Goa. How does he intend to achieve this? By placating the Marathis? By antagonizing the Goans and Mangaloreans and other Konkani people. What are his intentions for this "Konkan State" - that the "East Indians" are to lord it over the Goans and Mangaloreans?

From the logical viewpoint, if the Marathi and the Gujarati claim rights and impose rights within the legal framework over the Konkan and the Konkani within the Konkan, then the Konkani too are entitled to fight for their rights. And when the true sons-of-the-soil claim their rights, it natually excludes any other people's pretensions to any rights within the Konkan.

Logically, then, as a corollary, if the "East Indians" are originally Maharashtrians, they belong on the East side of the Sahyadris. And the only common denominator uniting the Konkani is the Konkani language and its dialects. Which, by extension, excludes the pretensions of Marathi and Gujarathi as criminal, illegal, null and void by facts of the law itself, pretensions of the Indian state and its units, its legislatures, administrateive and coercive organs nothwithstanding. For truth is evidence of itself. But if the "East Indians" are native to the Konkan, then they necessarily must have been Konkani-speaking originally. The logic is inescapable.

I repeat: The only basis for claiming a common Konkan state is the Konkani language and ethnic patrimony. By claiming to be Marathi, the "East Indians" militate against the suggestion that they are or have any rights in the Konkan. So, when I affirm that the "East Indians" are originally Konkani-speakers, not Marathi-speakers, I am merely affirming that they DO have rights as native or ethnic Konkani.

Once again, I repeat: The only basis for claiming a common Konkan state is the unity of the Konkan people. "East Indians," Goans, Mangaloreans, the Konkani speaking people of Sawantwadi and Malwan, the Konkni, Warli and other "tribals," the Dangis of the Dangs, etc., we are all one ethnic people, the Konkani. And this miltantly excludes the Marathi and the Gujarathi as encroachers and interlopers, people who do not belong, whose languages can have no rights in the Konkan.

And that necessarily leads us to the fact that, if we are to claim our rights, we have to use force to claim them. No one is going to hand over our rights to us as a gift. We have to claim them, fight for them, sacrifice for them. We have to offend and take the offenseive so that our rights are yielded unto us. None of this can be done by sitting in our bedrooms and parlours gossiping and grumbling and reminscing and such like. It calls for blood, sweat and tears, and for sacrifices. No one can make an omelette without breaking an egg. And this also calls for clarity about our purposes and means and our ends. Those who invest their lives and wealth and efforts etc should and must be rewarded in the Konkan state when it has been liberated from the malodorous encroachments of our enemies.

While signing off, I would like to bring to your attention the following interesting news: http://www.morungexpress.com/regional/20973.html

I will say more when I have the time and leisure to do so. For now, I write on the hoof, as it were.

Regards,


Lucio Mascarenhas
from SR Fernandes sebrfs@...
date Apr 22, 2009 12:44 PM
subject BOMBAY REFERENDUM � CITY STATE or UNION TERRITORY

To the Editor,

Respected Sir,

There are a few gujarati, parsi, punjabi, marwari intellectuals, businessmen, traders living in south bombay who have an agenda of making Bombay a city state so that Bombay can be freed from the tyrannical Maratha rule. The question is Will the Marathas allow Bombay to become a city state or union territory?

Then there is the agri sena and kunbi sena in konkan who have been spearheading a movement to free entire Konkan from the clutches of the tyrannical Maratha rule. This makes sense since the entire coastline will be protected by the people of konkan. This konkan state would include whole coastal areas from daman and Diu till Karvar. Now that's a distant dream worth fighting for. The question is Will the Marathas allow Konkan to separate from Maharashtra?

Then there is a person named Lucio Mascarenhas alias Prakash Mascarenhas a Goan patriot living in bombay whose website is http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/ and who not only writes articles on freedom of goa and konkan at http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/michaelinum.html but also posts his views on various google/yahoo groups and other forums for the freedom of goa and konkan and the dumping of Konkani language on others. Under freedom of expression he has the full right to express his views whether secular or communal. But what I can figure out from some of Lucio Mascarenhas articles is that he is only interested in creating a rift between hindus and christians, catholics and protestants, konkani speakers and marathi speakers.

Bombay culture is characterized by dhandha (transaction). The ethic of Bombay is quick enrichment. A well-executed scam is considered "a thing of beauty". Billionaires and repulsive deprivation abide in Bombay city where violence and muscle power can strike without warning. The Sena wrested political power for a Marathi underclass. The new inheritors were uneducated, unscrupulous and lacking of Bombay's cosmopolitan sensibility. They took the keys to the city from the erstwhile elites - Parsis, Gujaratis, Punjabis and Marwaris - who were left ruing the loss of the "gracious city". Sena supremo Bal Thackeray, a man who is obsessed with Muslims, and who loves big business and Bollywood. He is the remote control that orders young angry men to go out and lay waste whole communities or to render an illegal slum permanent and legal. The BMC has become shiv sena den and they will do anything to retain it. The corruption in BMC is the root cause of all the civic problems Bombay is facing. source: Maximum City: Bombay Lost and Found by Suketu Mehta.

Yours faithfully,


Sebastian R. Fernandes
Santacruz, Bombay
Saturday, 23 May, 2009 8:12 AM
From: "cyber news" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas, etc.
Sub: LUCIOs ANTI-INDIA TERROR NETWORK

A filthy bastard operating with a fake name Lucio Mascarenhas and who has created hundreds of sites on internet where he writes hate articles against the Indian nation, Hindus and Hindu Gods wants the goans in goa to fight the Indian occupation but he himself is hiding here in Bombay with a fake identity. The only thing which the filthy bastard has not disclosed on any of his hundreds of sites is his valid contact address due to the fear of being tracked down by his enemies and the Indian security agencies. What is even shameful is that the filthy bastard is claiming copyright for hate and communal articles.

There are only three people on planet earth who support the views of the filthy bastard. One is Lucios vatican in exile pope michael and the other two are members of the ei community....both this eis are fighting for the rights of the ei community but they will have to clarify to the ei community whether they believe in the vatican pope or Lucios vatican in exile pope michael.

Source: http://timeslive.blogspot.com
GOA TO GOAPURI
Monday, 11 May, 2009 12:57 PM
From: "goa world" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Lucio Joao Mascarenhas the filthy bastard the filthy pig the son of a filthy dharavi prostitute does part time job as salesman at a furniture shop at kalaghoda and in the afternoon goes to Asiatic library where he picks up information from old govt. gazzetteers and old history books written during the british era and puts that information on his websites and claims copyright on articles written by others.... lucio pig hates east indians as much as he hates maharashtrians.... as and when we get the right opportunity we will strike at him.... Amen.
POOR CHRISTIANS RICH CLERGY IN HINDU INDIA
Monday, 4 May, 2009 10:19 AM
From: "jorge s.d." [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

To the News Editor,

Respected Sir,

Three main issues affecting Christians in India.

1. Inability of getting government jobs because of religious discrimination. It is not just Dalit Christians who are unable to get govt. jobs it is all sections of the Christian community in India who find it difficult to get govt. jobs.

2. Corruption in sale of church properties. The clergy are selling away church properties without informing parishioners and not disclosing what the money recvd. from sale of church properties is utilized for.

3. Religious conversion activities of missionaries which has resulted in communal disharmony between Hindus and Christians. In Goa, Kerala & Nagaland Christians are in sizable numbers and also have some form of state protection but in all other states Christians are heavly outnumbered and are at the mercy of Hindus and Hindutva facist forces.

Yours faithfully,


Jorge S.D., Bombay.
CONGRESS NOT SHIV SENA
Saturday, 2 May, 2009 8:57 AM
From: "professor daniel" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The shiv sena was nurtured by the congress party to dislodge the communist who were controlling trade unions in bombay.... when ei lands were acquired in 50s and 60s the congress was in power.... now when gorai, manori, sahar land is to be acquired the congress is in power.... the slums in bombay were encouraged by congress.... the problem is not with shiv sena the problem is with the lack of industrial development in the rest of maharashtra... which results in the marathi people migrating to mumbai in search fr jobs.... remember the marathi people first poured into mumbai beginning with the setting up of textile mills.... in Vasai the shiv sena has helped get many eis jobs.... in bombay the shiv sena supported the st. john baptist committee to liberate the 500 year old church from the clutches of seepz authorities.... in some of the ei gaothans the bjp and shiv sena corporators took the initiative to put drainage lines.... of course some of the policies of the shiv sena are not correct.... Lucio Mascarenhas is most welcome to write tons of articles on shiv sena but his articles will only anger the shiv sena.... in any case lucio mascarenhas mission is to liberate goa his blog is at http://goanpatriot.blogspot.com may god bless him with his mission i hv nothing personal against him.... in an letter to the east indian journal bal thackeray wrote: 'The east indians who are essentially maharashtrians have also suffered being sons of the soil they find themselves strangers in their own land. Their ancestral lands have been acquired and their houses have been ruined.' He was trying to find christian recruits for his organization.... regarding mangaloreans their strenght is in their unity.... if there was unity among eis trust me the catholic churches, schools, institutions, etc in bombay would have been in the possesion of eis.... Amen and God bless you all.
MANGALOREAN SNAKES IN BOMBAY.
Friday, 1 May, 2009 6:06 AM
From: "professor daniel" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear East Indians

As you are all aware how in the 1960s and 70s the heavy influx of the konkani speaking pagan mangaloreans in ei localities created problems for eis now in the recent years there has been heavy influx of the konkani mangaloreans in Bhayander which has created problems for the eis in bhayander.

All of you are also aware how the konkani mangaloreans gang up against eis and all of you are also aware that in the ei community the konkani mangaloreans are known by the word �snakes�. This snakes were first banished from Goa by the Portuguese and during Tipu Sultans rule 8% of this snakes survived.

The konkani mangaloreans in bombay have during the last two decades successfully infiltrated catholic churches, schools, institutions which has resulted in eis getting sidelined now the konkani pagan mangaloreans are trying to spread their tentacles in bhayander which has resulted in skirmishes between eis and them. Read this Mumbai mirror article (http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=article§id=2&contentid=2009041820090418020545333d8cf1d7b) to know what happened there on maundy thursday. A copy of the text is below in this mail.

Your comrade


Professor Daniel
Bombay District.

Mind your language!

Marathi and Konkani speakers came to blows with each other at a Bhayandar church last week over a hymn sung in Konkani; priests intervened to stop dispute from intensifying Maundy Thursday services at a Bhayandar church last week, turned into a slugfest between Marathi and Konkani speakers, when some worshippers objected to a Konkani hymn sung by the choir.

The scuffle took place when hundreds of church-goers had gathered on April 9 on the grounds outside Our Lady of Nazareth Church, for religious services preceding Good Friday. The proceedings were in English, since the congregation belonged to different linguistic groups. But when the choir started singing a hymn in Konkani, some members of the parish objected and tried to climb the stage to stop the singers. Priests had to intervene to prevent the dispute from escalating.

The congregation at the church is equally divided between Konkani speakers from Mangalore and East Indians, the original inhabitants of the area who speak a dialect of Marathi. The rivalry between the two groups had been simmering for some time, especially since more and more Konkani speakers have settled in the area. The two groups have separate weekly services in their own languages. However, the Thursday ceremony was common for both groups.

A church member who witnessed the tussle said, �It was a joint mass for all the different linguistic groups. So it was decided to have the services in English. However, despite an agreement among committee members who decided on the programme for the services that day - Konkani or Marathi would not be used in the ceremonies - one of the hymns was sung in Konkani.�

There were allegations that a family of powerful local politicians had interfered in the dispute, thereby aggravating it. The Catholic church said that issue was resolved on Easter day on April 12 when instructions from the bishop in charge of the area, Bosco Penha, were read out during the services. Parish priest father Allwyn D�Silva said that the issue has now been resolved. �The bishop has said hymns should be sung in all languages.�
LUCIO - THE DHARAVI WARRIOR
Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 11:20 AM
From: "white code" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Lucio Mascarenhas born on 31st Aug, 1966 in the slums of dharavi originally baptized with a Hindu name Prakash and brought up in a missionary ashram where the missionaries changed his name to Lucio has not received a single paisa for the crap articles that he writes.... he is even trying to edit online encyclopedias with his crap info.... if anyone amongst you believes in his crap info and is interested in contributing money for his crap project kindly inform us.... we will provide you with his residential contact details.... Regards and god bless you all.
FRADULENT CONVERSIONS DOES NOT BENEFIT EXISTING POOR CHRISTIANS
Saturday, 25 April, 2009 9:33 AM
From: "james nadar" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Sir,

The tragic turn of events in Kandhamal in Orissa once again highlights the urgent need for church authorities to immediately halt the fraudulent conversions of poor non-christians, which are causing so much heart-burning and cultural anxiety.

As the menace of conversions is perpetuated with the receipt of foreign funds, the existing Poor Christians in India have steadfastly demanded that the church utilize all foreign funds exclusively for the welfare and uplift of poor Christians who are suffering from terrible discrimination within the community. Indeed, this is the reason why some poor christians have been petitioning the Government of India not to appoint Bishops, priests and nuns to official Commissions and Committees, and instead appoint ordinary Christians.

The church annually receives so much money that the Catholic Bishops� Conference of India (CBCI) and the National Christian Council of India (NCCI) should set up a Rs. 1000 crore �Christian Development Fund� to ensure the integrated social and economic development of existing poor christians in India.

Considering the confusion created by propagation activities in remote areas, some christians have been demanding that church authorities defer mass conversion programmes for at least a century. Evangelism cannot be a measurement of a society�s socio-economic development. Rather, the evangelism programme funds should be utilized for the welfare of poor christians who have already been converted to Christianity, and whose lot has not been improved by the church.

There should be reservation of seats for poor christians, in Church-run schools, colleges, technical institutions and other vocational organizations. As of now, the reality is that a handful of priests and bishops are monopolizing Church funds and property in the country. This has led to sharp deterioration of the conditions of neo-converted Christians who are living in a pitiable condition, deprived of basic necessities.

Instead of worrying about their living conditions, the church leadership is interested only in increasing the numbers of its flock. Even worse, a large chunk of foreign funds are being utilized for purchasing land and for the luxurious lifestyles of a few Christian leaders in India. Bishops are monopolizing the Church estates and treating it as their own property and are indulging in its sale-purchase without the consent of the community.

The children of poor christians do not even complete their primary education. None of the 40,000 educational institutions run by the church give admission to the children of poor christians. This is the reason that in the last two decades many poor Christians have gone back to Hinduism due to maltreatment by the church. For this reason, some christians feel that the Government of India and the Supreme Court should redefine minority educational institutions and de-classify those Christian minority institutions which do not admit Christian children. They should also be taxed as commercial ventures.

There is no case for caste-based reservations for the Christian community in India, as this would institutionalize the discrimination against the poor Christians and blight their future forever. The teachings of Jesus Christ do not permit discrimination amongst his followers. All Christians are born in the image of God. Hence, if the Church in India pursues reservation for Christians on the basis of caste, it must pay compensation to poor Christians converted to Christianity in the past, for discrimination and oppression and false promises. The Government of India should also introduce special laws to protect Church property and land that is currently being misused and sold by vested interests.

Some christians also feel that the Vatican must stop appointing bishops and must follow the system in China. Poor christians must be appointed to important positions in the institutions of the Catholic Church. As the Church is the largest employer after the Government of India, poor Christians should be given 50% job reservations in Christian educational and medical institutions.

Above all, the church should not criticize other religions, as this creates unnecessary ill-will. The time has come when pluralistic societies must be accepted. Hence the focus on fraudulent conversion and increasing the number of �rice Christians� does not serve the faith. The Church should instead promote multi-culturalism and inter- faith dialogue.


James Nadar.
India.
LUCIOS - DEADLY MISSION AGAINST EIs.
Saturday, 25 April, 2009 8:46 AM
From: "village voice" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear EIs.... some of you have mailed us asking us why we are targeting Lucio.... the reason is.... Lucio through his articles is trying to create.... rift between EIs and Maharashtrians.... EIs and Shiv Sena.... Konkani language and Marathi language.... opening old historical wounds of what marathas did in konkan.... apart from all this... on two sites one his and other one post on manglorean yahooo group... he has targeted us on a personal level.... now regarding what we are writing.... we are writing... that the past govts. had grabbed EI lands without giving any real compensation hence the current govts. should provide EIs with jobs and housing for the past injustice.... the catholic churches, parish buildings, catholic schools, etc are on EI land and hence it is EIs who should be in control and not goans / mangys.... EIs either attend english or marathi language mass and hence the konkanis should not try to sideline the english and marathi language mass.... hope we have made our position clear.... God bless all of you.
ABORIGINE CHRISTIANS - Poor, Ignorant, Illitrate and Disunited.
Friday, 24 April, 2009 12:21 PM
From: "roger g" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

To the News Media , Journalists, etc

Dear Sir,

I feel sorry for the bombay native marathi speaking christians. Their livelihood and way of living was ruined forever by the british raj and maharashtra govt. who grabbed all their agricultural lands in Bombay without giving them any real compensation.

Another blow to the marathi speaking christians came from the konkani speaking Mangaloreans. The Konkani Mangaloreans who infiltrated all church committees, catholic school committees, parish councils in Bombay in the 1970s & 80s prevented most of the native marathi speaking christians from getting church facilities and admission in catholic schools.

The Konkani mangaloreans were originally from Goa who were banished by the Portuguese for not abandoning paganism. The Konkani catholics from goa who fled to Mangalore later on came to be known as mangalorean catholics. This Konkani mangalorean catholics became smart by living in the midst of the shettys, malayalees, etc.

The native marathi speaking christians in Bombay are poor, ignorant, illiterate and disunited and hence are neither in a position to protest and demand jobs and housing from the government for the past injustice neither they are in a position to liberate the churches, catholic schools, church properties, catholic institutions, etc in Bombay which are presently being controlled by the konkani mangaloreans.

It is also very sad that the BEIA the representative body of the native marathi speaking christians instead of organizing protest rallies at Azad maidan and shivaji park to highlight the problems which the native marathi speaking Christians are facing are instead only interested in organizing food festival and ball dances at bandra gymkhana and st. andrews grounds. If any of you have the mailing list of the BEIA kindly forward this mail to them.

The native marathi speaking christians speak the marathi language but with relatively higher proportion of words borrowed from Portuguese language, because of direct influence of the Portuguese who colonized this region till 1739.

Marathi serves as an official language of Indian state of Maharashtra. Marathi started on its own quite early, but literary began only in 13AD. Marathi can be traced back far beyond the 10th century. It descends from Sanskrit through Pali, Maharashtri and Maharashtra Apabhramsa. Maharashtri Prakrit was most popular amongst Prakrit languages and widely spoken in western and southern India.

The State of Goa also recognizes Marathi as an official language in addition to the Konkani language. Although the constitution of India and Sahitya Academi considers Konkani as one of the 21 official languages, in Maharashtra Konkani is considered a dialect of Marathi. The Britannica Encyclopedia 1911 reported Konkani as only one real dialect of Marathi.

Maharashtrians and Konkanis in Goa have had bitter fights over the official language issue. The Marathi-Konkani feud and inclusion of Konkani in scheduled languages was mostly because of political reasons and status as Konkani as a separate language is disputed.

In Bombay most of the Konkani language masses are running in churches because of the support of the Konkani mangaloreans. Due to the Konkani language masses the English and Marathi langauge masses are being sidelined. In my personal opinion only English, Hindi and Marathi language masses should be allowed in churches in Bombay.

Regards and May God bless you all with health, wealth and eternal life.


Roger Gonsalves
Bombay, Maharashtra.
LUCIO MASCARENHAS - SON OF A DHARAVI PROSTITUTE.
Thursday, 23 April, 2009 8:37 AM
From: "eastindian network" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

Lucio Joao Mascarenhas alias Lund Fakir Chand alias Son of a Dharavi Prostitute we have noted down your address which one person on our mailing list had send to us and we have also verified your address. Just as you have been targeting us as and when we get the right opportunity we will also target you.... wait lucio our time will come.... Amen.
LUCIO JOAO MASCARENHAS - THE ANTI-INDIA TERRORIST..
Monday, 20 April, 2009 8:27 AM
From: "native people" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas
Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

Lucio Joao Mascarenhas alias Prakash John Mascarenhas the son of a dharavi prostitute we know some of the sites where you have targeted us personally. We can also target you by uploading on certain websites your residential address, yr mobile no, yr email ids, links to your anti-india / hindu / marathi hate articles, etc but don't worry at present we have no intention of putting you in trouble.

god bless you.
VR.
LUCIO - God Bless You..
Saturday, 18 April, 2009 11:04 AM
From: "eric j" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

Dear Lucio Joao Mascarenhas... trust me you will achieve nothing just by writing lenghty articles.... if you want to achieve your goals join politics and stand up for elections.... Regards and God Bless you and your family... and sorry if we have hurt you personally by our previous mails.
re: MANGALOREAN PRIEST TRASHED IN BHAYANDAR FOR GIVING SERMON IN KONKANI
Wednesday, 15 April, 2009 7:19 AM
From: "eric j" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

To the editor,

Heard recently that one mangalorean priest in one of the church in bhayandar west was thrashed last week by the local marathi speaking christians for giving a Konkani sermon during the Maundy Thursday English mass if this is true then I salute the people in bhayandar for carrying out this brave act.

Because of the Konkani language masses in archdiocese of Bombay not only the English language masses but also the Marathi language masses have been sidelined. During the Konkani language masses conspiracies against the marathi speaking christians are also being hatched.

To the best of my knowledge the mangalorean priests poured into Bombay not to serve all sections of the christian community but only to serve and work for the welfare and progress of the mangaloreans living in Bombay no wonder the mangaloreans in bombay are miles ahead of other christian communities.

I also know that to accommodate the mangaloreans in catholic schools many marathi speaking christians were denied admission in catholic schools. It is from Bombay that mangaloreans got top catholic school education and with this education they were able to get better jobs in Bombay and the Western and Gulf countries and the credit for this goes to mangalorean priests who made sure that mangaloreans got first preference in catholic schools in Bombay.

The mangaloreans claim that the churches in Bombay are running because of their donations during sunday mass if this is true then in my opinion the mangaloreans should stop giving donations and also stop coming to this churches.

If the shiv sena is prepared to stop all Konkani language masses in churches in Bombay and boot out the mangalorean priests then guaranteed all marathi speaking christians in Bombay will give their votes to shiv sena.


Eric J. D�souza
Bandra.
CHRISTIAN BHOOMIPUTRAS BECAME SLUMDWELLERS IN AMCHI MUMBAI.
Saturday, 4 April, 2009 7:16 AM
From: "vernon rodrigues" [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]

Subject: BOMBAY�s BHOOMIPUTRAS v/s MAHARASHTRA STATE

To the editor,

Dear Sir,

Not Satisfied with acquiring the agrigcultural lands of the natives of bombay the Maharashtra govt. has now set its eyes on the gaothans (villages) of the natives of Bombay. Sahar gaothan is just the beginning. In order to make the process of acquiring the gaothans easier the Maharashtra govt. is equating gaothans with slums thereby treating the gaothan residents as land encroachers

In fact the Maharashtra govt. has also been changing the land records in the collectors office to prove that the gaothan residents are land encroachers.

Unlike most of the migrant slum dwellers living in slums of Bombay who have their ancestral homes, villages, fields in their native places to fall back on for the gaothan residents of Bombay it will be a dead end if they surrender their gaothans to the anti-christian Maharashtra govt.

The gaothan residents consists of various tribes - kolis (fishermen), kunbis (farmers), agris (agriculturists), bhandaris (toddy tappers, cultivators, musicians) and malis (gardeners) � all of whom trace their conversion to Christianity with the arrival of Christ�s disciple St. Bartholomew in north konkan and who later were converted to the teachings of rome / vatican i.e. Catholicism by the Portuguese in the 15th century.

In 1818 the tribes (http://www.bombaytribes.blogspot.com) of Bombay adopted the name east indians in honour of the east india company who liberated them from the tyrannical rule of the Marathas.

Today the tribes of Bombay have become minority and struggling for survival in their own land because of the discriminatory policies against them by the anti-christian Maharashtra government.

Recently a few east indians (http://www.east�indians.com) with limited resources have sacrificed their time and effort in launching a free-of-cost bulletin �Gaothan Voice�.

The objective of �Gaothan Voice� would be working towards uplifting village community, working to prevent forced demolitions of gaothans by the govt., setting up of self-help groups for women, financial assistance to children for education and medicine, medical aid to the needy in the community, arranging activities to get the community together in the form of cultural festivals, encouraging the community youth to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, ias / ips officers, businessmen, scientist�s, politicians, etc.

Regards and God bless you and your family,


Vernon Rodrigues
Kalina Village, Bombay
TRIBAL CHRISTIANS OF BOMBAY ISLAND CITY & SUBURBS
Friday, 3 April, 2009 9:17 AM
From: "Tribal Citi" [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]

Subject: TRIBAL CHRISTIANS OF BOMBAY ISLAND CITY & SUBURBS

The original tribes of Bombay city & suburbs consists of - kolis (fishermen), kunbis (farmers), agris (agriculturists), bhandaris (toddy tappers, cultivators, musicians) and malis (gardeners) � all of whom trace their conversion to Christianity with the arrival of Christ�s disciple St. Bartholomew in north konkan and who later were converted to the teachings of rome/vatican i.e. Catholicism by the Portuguese in the 15th century.

In 1818 the tribes of Bombay adopted the name east indians in honour of the east india company who liberated them from the tyrannical rule of the Marathas.

Today the tribes of Bombay have become minority and struggling for survival in their own land because of the discriminatory policies against them by the Maharashtra government.

Recently a few east indians with limited resources have sacrificed their time and effort in launching a free-of-cost bulletin �Gaothan (village) Voice�. The objective of �Gaothan Voice� would be working towards uplifting village community, working to prevent forced demolitions of gaothans for various development schemes, setting up of self-help groups for women, financial assistance to children for education and medicine, medical aid to the needy in the community, arranging activities to get the community together in the form of cultural festivals, encouraging the community youth to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, ias/ips officers, businessmen, scientist�s, politicians, etc.

East Indian Village Website � http://www.east-indians.net/EI_Villages.htm
East Indian Radical Website � http://bombaytribes.blogspot.com
East Indian Culture Website � http://www.east-indians.com

NOTE:

a. To avoid receiving further mails kindly inform and you will be removed from mailing list.

b. You are free to publish the above info in your newspaper, magazine, journal, or upload on your website, google, yahoo, etc groups.


Tribal Citi
Vernon Rodrigues
Kalina Village, Bombay.
CATHOLIC POLITICAL & SELF-DEFENCE GROUPS & CHARITABLE TRUSTS
Sunday, 29 March, 2009 4:02 PM
From: "a d" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Sir

Majority of the 20 million catholics in India live in urban areas of India. There has been a Systematic campaign going on to grab the lands of catholics in various parts of urban India not just by the state but also by the local politician, mafia backed builders & slumlords. Except for Kerala the roman catholic church in other states does not have any political will to defend the land and livelihood of the lay catholics and only believes in numbers and headcounts at the Sunday mass. Under such circumstances it is important that the lay catholics in every parish form their own self-defence and political groups to protect their land and livelihood and also organize political rallies to demand reservations in government jobs for catholics.

The lay catholics will have to realize that the mission of the catholic missionaries in India is not to serve poor catholics but to serve poor non-catholics with an intent to convert them. Under Such circumstances it is important that the lay catholics in every parish form trust. The wealthy among the lay catholics instead of donating their money to catholic missionaries will have to instead donate their money to the catholic trust of their parish. The Trust in turn will have to utilize their funds in providing financial, educational, medical, etc assistance to the poor and needy catholics of their parish.

The lay catholics before condemning the violence that has been unleashed by the sangh parivar against the catholics and other christians in tribal areas of India will have to first take into account the allurement based conversion activities which the catholic missionaries are indulging in tribal areas.

The lay catholics will also have to realize that todays clergy including bishops and cardinals are not the same as they used to be 40 years ago. Greed has overtaken the clergy and the clergy no more believe in living ascetic and ardous life. The lay catholics will have to monitor the clergy and prevent the clergy from siphoning off church donations, money, assets, properties.

Most priests don�t expect laity to be leaders, just followers. Under such circumstances it is important that the lay catholics take some hard decisions and make sure that corrupt, unscrupulous priests are kicked out of their parish. Only priests who genuinely care about the lay catholics should be tolerated and respected.

Yours faithfully,


Alfred D�souza
Bandra, Bombay.
INDIAN CATHOLICS IN IAS/IFS/ IPS/ IRS/ UPSC, Law, Politics, etc
Wednesday, 25 March, 2009 7:54 AM
From: "ralph d" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

The Catholic Church in Bombay / Goa / Mangalore and other diocese has to create a culture of partnership by giving the lay catholics prominence in the official decision-making bodies, training them for Civil Services ( IAS/IFS/ IPS/ IRS/ UPSC, Law, Politics, etc.) professions and assisting them in their political involvement.

Rather than merely expecting catholic students to complete the minimum basic exams (S.S.C, H.S.C etc.), we must train them for professions that will make a mark in civil society; for instance, IAS, IPS, UPSC, Law, Politics and also encourage them to become Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Businessmen, etc. In addition, they should be made aware of larger issues of national and global interest through introducing them to other cultures, other faiths, social and political awareness.

Don�t know about other diocese but most of the native east indian catholics in Bombay diocese are poor and find it difficult to provide their children education even till the ssc level.

The catholic clergy in Bombay is also not supportive. Instead of utilizing the money received from sale of church properties to provide housing, educational, medical, etc support to the low-income group in the east Indian community the clergy here is instead siphoning off the money.

The total market value of the properties in possession of the catholic church in Bombay runs into thousands of crores. During the last 2 decades the clergy have been selling away church lands without informing parishioners. Where has the money from the church land deals gone? What was the need to sell the church properties in the first place?

With due respect to the priests, they are shepherds of the flock. They should contain themselves to just that. The priests come here for a few years, finish their term of 2 � 6 years and leave to serve another parish. Therefore, it is best that all the nitty-gritty of Church assets should be left rightfully to the parishioners. After all, the Church and its assets belong to its parishioners.

On my last visit to one of the church in Bombay diocese I was thrilled to observe that the Office of the Parish East Indian Association is located just as one enters the church premises. I salute and congratulate the East Indian Association of that parish. The East Indian associations should play an active role in holding and managing the Church, catholic school, church assets and properties, cementries, etc and should also focus on providing housing, educational, medical, etc support to the low-income group in the east indian community.

To be sure, the Shiv Sena has always acknowledged the aboriginal status of the East Indians. In a letter to the East Indian Journal (Page 5, issue dt. 15 January 1968) Sena chief Bal Thackeray tried to find Christian recruits for his fledgling chauvinistic organisation. �The East Indians, who are essentially Maharashtrians, have also suffered,� he said. �Being sons of the soil, they find themselves strangers in their own land. Their ancestral lands are acquired, their houses have been destroyed. For want of money their children cannot get higher education, and for want of higher education, they cannot get better jobs.� His letter came only a few years after a community debate about its nomenclature. Many wanted to be called Maharashtrian Christians instead of East Indians to reflect their cultural milieu better and to shed the colonial past. The Sena�s position hasn�t changed since Mr. Thackeray�s letter.

Its time we East Indians learnt from the �Bhaiyyas� and �Biharis�... who are prepared to built small huts and squat in these.... But then we are afraid of what Pedru Uncle will say, the fun Rosemary Aunty will make out of it. It�s time we EIs begin to do what the Bhaiyyas are doing in Mumbai. Its time we EIs incorporate the Bhaiyyas ideas in our plans.... Most important we need a leadership for our community which is lacking. Can you suggest some names... of some daring and shameless east indians who you think can achieve for us what our Suit Boot East Indians in Bombay City could not.

If you are an east indian you are requested to take a printout of the above contents and make 100 xerox copies of that printout and proliferate the 100 xerox copies openly or anonymously in your parish and be assured the message will go far and wide in your parish.

Best regards and May God bless you and your family with health wealth and eternal life.


Ralph Dias
Kalina Village,
Bombay, Maharashtra.
GULF NATION RECESSION HITS CATHOLICS HARD.
Saturday, 14 March, 2009 9:39 AM
From: "p dsouza" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

As you are aware the catholics in bombay due to various religious reasons were / are unable to get public / private / government jobs in bombay and the only option left with them was to search for work in foreign shores notably the gulf nations. With recession hitting the gulf nations many catholics from gulf are returning back to bombay and the number of poor and unemployed catholics in bombay is bound to increase.

The catholic missionaries in bombay are only interested in serving the poor non-catholics living in slums due to which the poor & unemployed catholics in bombay cannot expect any help from catholic missionaries.

The catholic church in bombay is only interested in numbers and head counts at the sunday mass and is not interested in helping the poor & unemployed catholics in bombay.

The Maharashtra govt. is rabidly anti-christian due to which the poor & unemployed catholics in bombay cannot expect to get any help from the Maharashtra govt.

Know more about the catholics of bombay by logging on to the following two sites:

1. http://www.east-indians.com

. 2. http://bombaytribes.blogspot.com

Regards and God bless you.


Paul D'souza
[email protected]
CHRISTIANs IN "SECULAR-DEMOCRATIC-PLURALISTIC" INDIA
Thursday, 12 March, 2009 7:24 AM
From: "Real Catholics" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The Disciples of Jesus Christ st. bartholomew and st. thomas preached the Gospel of Christ not just where the poor lived but also where the upper class, Brahmins & kings lived. Even the missionaries who came later on preached Christianity wherever their footsteps went.

But todays Christian missionaries in India especially the catholic missionaries footsteps go only where the dalits, tribals and slumdwellers live.

The hundreds of millions of dollars which catholic missionaries in India receive from missionary organizations of western countries are utilized in setting up ashrams, orphanages, dispensaries, hospitals in tribal and dalit areas. The tribals and dalits are provided with free services and are lured to Catholicism. This is not conversion this is cheating. Such type of allurement conversions will only weaken Catholicism in India.

Whereas the population of Hindus in urban and rural India during the last 50 years has increased tremendously by birth the population of Christians in urban India has decreased tremendously but has increased in rural india in tribal and dalit areas due to conversions.

Why has the population of catholics living in urban India declined?.... why are catholics living in urban India not able to get government jobs?.... why are some of the poor catholics in urban India leaving the catholic church?.... Has the catholic church carried out any studies to look into the problems faced by the urban catholics?

Due to International pressure the Hindu Terrorists under instructions of the Indian state have temporarily backed off from attacking Christians and vandalizing churches but what about the future?.... are Christians prepared?.... will Christianity and Christians survive in �secular-democratic-pluralistic� India?

India is seen as a shining example of a secular state but in reality the Indian state actually privileges Hinduism over other religions and religious communities. The Indian state is in fact the defender of the Hindu dharma and hence turns a blind eye to the activities of the Hindu Terrorists.

It is not just India where Hindus celebrate their festivals with great noise, great pomp, great pollution, great celebrations even in Christian countries Hindus celebrate their festivals on a grand scale. In India christians out of fear have to celebrate their festivals in a muted way.

In Christian countries Hindus are provided land to construct multi-million dollar temples in India try acquiring land for constructing a church.

In Christian countries no hindu temple is vandalized, no hindu is traumatised physically or mentally for practising his/her hindu faith, no hindu is discriminated in jobs. In India churches are vandalized, christians are persecuted and there is widespread discrimination in jobs.

If the Hindu terrorists go around shouting that Christianity is a foreign religion on Indian soil why is the catholic church feeling shy to shout that Hinduism is also a foreign religion on Indian soil brought into India by the marauding and invading indo-aryans.

If you have any suggestions on how you can help catholics living in urban India please send it to [email protected]. The Constitution of India guarantees freedom of speech so Kindly print / publish / upload / forward the contents of this mail to wherever you deem fit necessary.

Sixty percent of the American Catholics surveyed said the Church needed to change its policies so that women could become priests and priests would be allowed to marry. To solve the shortage of priests the Catholic Church will eventually allow priests to marry before it ordains women. Married priests are actually already performing Masses in the Catholic Church. If a Protestant minister who is married decides to convert to Catholicism, he is allowed to join the Catholic clergy - and he doesn't have to renounce his marriage in order to do so. Care should be taken that married priests are not allowed to live in parish buildings. They should be allocated homes outside the church precincts. The Parishoners should also see to it that corrupt / unscrupulous / secular priests are booted out of their parish.

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Slogan of Real Catholics: IF YOU CAN YOU CAN... IF YOU CAN�T YOU CAN�T.
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Catholic church concerned over decreasing nuns, priests.
Friday, 6 March, 2009 6:27 AM
From: "Bombay Catholics" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The lack of manpower to manage the numerous institutions, hospitals, charity and relief organizations, seem to pose a serious threat to the stability and growth of the Catholic Church in India. Few reasons for this are being attributed to the industrialization, luring jobs, and the persecution of Christians in different states in the country.

Rev. Babu Joseph, spokesperson for the Catholic Bishop Conference of India (CBCI) says, there has been an almost 30-40 percent decline in the number of girls opting to be nuns.

�The decline in the number of young Catholics joining the religious way of life is certainly alarming, and it will affect the sustainability of the Catholic institutions managed by priests and nuns,� Joseph told IANS.

The Catholic Church in India runs more than 30,000 educational institutions, 6,000 hospitals and dozens of relief and charity organizations.

Church officials fear, the increasing number of professions, people's desire to begin a family, and avoiding the strict religious vocation might be few of the reasons young people ignore the ascetic life. Kerala, which contributes thousands of nuns for the Church service, has seen a decrease, as more women are taking to the nursing profession.

The Church also feels, the violence on Christians is one of the reasons for this.

�Globally too there has been steady decline in the religious vocation of nunhood and religious life. It has affected the Indian Catholic community. Incidents like what happened in Orissa and Catholic families getting smaller have also adversely affected the numbers opting for nunhood and priesthood,� said Joseph.

To combat this adversity, the Kerala Catholic Bishops Conference (KCBC) is planning to conduct a study on nuns and priests.

Father Stephen Alathara, spokesperson of the KCBC, said: �So far, no study has been done on this. Currently, there are more than 45,000 nuns and 13,000 priests in the Catholic church.�

A Catholic reformist and editor of Hosana, a Christian publication, Joseph Pulikunnel, according to the IANS, challenged the church to come out with figures on the number of nuns.

�The figures that they are quoting are fudged and meant to impress Rome. Earlier there were more people because economic instability in large families and, to a certain extent, failed marriages of the elder sisters saw young girls arriving at convents to enter the profession of nuns,� said Pulikunnel.

�Now there are other options for these girls and many are attracted to the career of nursing. Just look at the number of nursing colleges that have sprouted in the last one decade,� he said.

SUGGESTIONS:
MIGRANTS & TERRORISTS DESTABILIZING BOMBAY.
Monday, 2 March, 2009 8:15 AM
From: "james dsouza" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

The migrants living in the slums of Bombay were very fortunate in getting a piece of land in Bombay for a few thousand rupees due to the politician-local administration-slumlord nexus. Now the migrant slum dwellers are in the process of getting free 300 sq.ft. flats under the SRA scheme.

But one has to agree that the migrants whether living in the slums of Bombay or the migrants living in posh cuffe parade, walkeshwar, malabar hill of Bombay had one thing in common all of them had ambition / mission / vision which the native kolis and east indians (http://bombaytribes.blogspot.com / http://www.east-indians.com) of Bombay did not have.

The unlimited Floor Space Index (FSI), the creation of extra avenues to dump transfer of development right (TDR) on the suburbs, the growth of slums and the 1948 Rent Control Act are the major reasons for aggravating Bombay�s infrastructure problems. In town planning terms, these are means to strangulate a healthy city.

Multiple parallel agencies like PWD, MSRDC, MMRDA, MHADA, etc. truncate the powers of the Commissioner and BMC. They are directly controlled by the state and are not answerable to the citizens of Bombay. Also central agencies like MBPT & Railways, AAI, Defense, who occupy a large chunk of land, are not accountable to the BMC (for Municipal Governance / Services).

In this city structure where is the room for people�s participation? The State controls the City Municipal Governance without being directly answerable or accountable to people of Bombay City.

The system lacks leadership and is badly designed - administratively and managerially!

The few Mangroves and Open spaces including playgrounds that are left in Bombay are the last defences against cloudbursts, heavy rains, tsunami. But due to the greed of the builders - local administration - politicians it is unlikely any of the mangroves and open spaces will survive in Bombay.

Buildings and slums are popping up everywhere in Bombay but the water supply is the same so there is bound to be water shortage.

If India has to be hit financialy, crippling Bombay is a must. This explains why terrorists are frequently attacking bombay. Point to be noted the terrorists are only targeting civilians and common man but they (terrorists) are feeling shy to target Politicians.

Yours faithfully,


James D�souza
Bandra, Bombay
BOMBAYs FOUR SENAs.
Saturday, 28 February, 2009 8:44 AM
From: "p d" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Respected Sir,

Four Senas of Bombay.

1. Shiv Sena (www.shivsena.org)

2. Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (no website yet)

3. Koli Sena (no website yet)

4. East Indian Sena (www.east-indians.com & www.bombaytribes.blogspot.com)

for info only.

Regards,


Paul Dias
MANGALOREAN PAGAN CATHOLICS...
Saturday, 21 February, 2009 3:09 PM
From: "vernon rodrigues" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

Brought up as catholics from infancy but held on assiduously to their pagan culture, inspite of embracing Catholicism, the Mangalorean / Kannada catholics are characterised by their honourable principles and exemplary conduct and enjoy a high reputation among the Hindus and Muslims with whom they live. In the past they were land-holders, merchants and tradesmen and for their superior-intelligence and fidelity were employed in offices of trust under government in preference to others.

One of the reasons Mangalore Catholics were banished from Goa was because of their attachment to Pagan marriage ceremonies. And even till today the Pre marriage ceremony called the 'Roce' is still celebrated. It is a ceremony lauded over by the ladies, celebrating the last day of the virginity of the bride and bridegroom. The virgin bride is blessed with coconut milk and a cross is inscribed on her forehead with coconut oil, while the matrons of the families sing 'voyos' tracing the family history, sometimes sneaking in a opportunity to settle old scores. But mostly the songs are good natured ribbing of the bridal pair.

The Mangalorean catholics are governed by a caste system which is akin to that of the Hindus which came from Goa with the early immigrants. The castes are Bamon (Brahmana), Charodi (Kshatriya and Vaishya), Sudra (artisan) and Gaudi (comprising local converts from the original fisher caste). Superimposed on this is another artificial division - that of the `refined` and the `rustic`. The members of the former, consisting of about two hundred families, live in the city, speak English and have adopted western dress and customs.

In the rural areas, they are deeply attached to farming either as tenant farmers or labourers. They have hardly any social life. Except for some parochial functions and weddings, christenings, Christmas, Easter and the parish feast are the only occasions when they have celebrations.

They eke out a frugal living on their farms and often have to supplement their income by petty trading and by sending their family members to cities for employment. Many Mangaloreans have also been successful as trade unionists, taxi drivers, domestic servants, writers, caterers, and managers in different spheres.

The urban members of the community are concentrated in Mangalore and are often called Mangalorean by outsiders. With the establishment of British rule, many claimed and got their property rights in the city and the district confirmed.

The prosperity of the dominant Catholic families of Mangalore since the latter half of the 19th century owed itself to the tile industry, coffee plantations and trade in plantation products. The tile industry was first introduced in Mangalore by German missionaries who kept their technology a secret and bought an entire village which had suitable clay for the manufacture of tiles. In course of time the Mangaloreans learnt the secret and so was born the famous Mangalorean tile industry. The tiles were so much in demand that the Portuguese from Goa would exchange gold for them.

Mangaloreans have helped set up colleges, schools, hospitals, leprosaria, T.B. sanatoria, and asylums and so on. An expansion of education without a corresponding expansion of employment opportunities combined with pressure on land in the rural areas led to the emigration of many Mangalorean/Kannada Catholics to cities like Mumbai.

Sites on GEMs — Goans, Eastindians, Mangaloreans:

Goans: http://www.goanet.org

East Indians: http://bombaytribes.blogspot.com

Mangaloreans: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MangaloreanCatholics

Regards and best wishes,


Vernon Rodrigues
Bombay.
HERITAGE VILLAGES TO SKYSCAPERS
Friday, 9 January, 2009 7:58 AM
From: "a jacob" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

I feel sorry for the original sons of the soil of bombay who are locally known as east indians, who have been dislodged by others who are Marathi migrants from distant areas of rural and urban Maharashtra. The print, tv, electronic news media does not report on the original sons of soil of bombay because they (east indians) have been almost decimated. Today it is the marathi migrants who are known as the original sons of soil of bombay / mumbai.

Because of the inappropriate name people think the east indians are migrants in bombay.

The Roman Catholic Church did nothing... the Church has no political will... it only believes in numbers and head count at the Sunday Mass.

So this is it, the Catholic community, is a peaceful quiet community, controlled under duress, a few leaders but all rubber stamp type... the only fire and brimstone might be in the sermons in the Church.... Peace Marches happen, Candle light marches but the East Indian lives in darkness... the poor ones who have no relatives abroad.... The youngsters are waiting to move out settle in America and other countries for a better uncorrupt future so to speak.... The East Indians who sold their properties to corrupt mafia backed builders live in penury.

Small time builders with political connections, conned the East Indian bungalow owners, with the connivance of the local administration and constructed repair permission houses which have leakage, monsoonal problems and walls as thin as papers.

I do not wish to hurt feelings, but this is the stark reality..

At the moment Repair Permission is passe now towers are coming up, within the same Gaothan infrastructure, whatever is being done in widening the gutters is not for the old residents but for the new residents who will move in to these towers.

Most of the political giants are builders by default we all know it only the paper thin walls don't know it....

The elections are round the corner awaiting the common man's verdict....

The government instead of drastically reducing the price of Diesel which would have brought down prices of essential commodities instead the government drastically reduced the price of ATF so that the rich people could fly more.

Yours faithfully,
A. Jacob
Bandra., Bombay.
FIDAYEENS DISRUPTING INDIAN ECONOMY
Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 7:50 AM
From: "eric f" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Sir,

The Fidayeens are brainwashed into believing that if they die for the religion they will go to heaven and live in the midst of 64 beautiful virgins. But the people who brainwash this Fidayeens are themselves not interested in dying for the religion and hide in safe houses and bunkers.

Maybe the bomb blasts, terror attacks, circulation of fake currency notes in India are an attempt by the Pak ISI to disrupt the growing Indian economy and maybe the Pak ISI is also taking advantage of the communal poison that some right wing Hindutva organisations in India have been spreading.

But a War with Pakistan is not going to solve any problems. Pakistan has Nuclear weapons and the backing of Arabic countries, Taliban, China and winning a war with Pak is not going to be a cakewalk. Other than War the UPA government should take all other precautions to prevent bomb blasts, terror attacks, circulation of fake currency notes, communal poison in India.

So far the Thackeray gang, builders gang, slum dwellers gang, bmc gang was raping bombay now the pakistan terrorists have also joined the fun. The Maratha controlled Maharashtra govt. is way to corrupt to solve bombays problems. The only hope for Bombay is the Indian govt. needs to take control of it i.e. make bombay a union territory. Not just bombay the entire konkan should be liberated from the maratha invaders and colonizers and konkan should be made an independent state.

Please forward this mail to your colleagues.

Eric F.
Bombay - The Final Frontier
BOMBAY - THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD
Monday, 24 March, 2008 6:35 AM
From: "mike gomes" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

If Migrant slum dwellers in Bombay steal land, steal electricity, steal water the Maharashtra government and the Bombay Muncipal corporation (BMC) don't have any problem in addition to this the migrant slum dwellers are also rewarded by the Maharashtra government with free flats of 225 sq.ft. which the slum dwellers sell for anywhere between 7 lac to 14 lac (half of this money the migrant slum dwellers send to their native place where their other family members live).... after selling the flat the migrant slum dwellers again encroach open spaces with the help of slumlords & BMC / Rationing / Collector staff.... if the original east indian inhabitants (www.eastindians.blogspot.com) of bombay want to carry any major repairs to their dilapidated houses in their gaothans (villages) they have to take permission of BMC.... BMC also diverts water meant for gaothans, koliwadas, housing societies to slums this results in water shortage in gaothans, koliwadas, housing societies.... the BMC has also given some slum pockets legal protection by giving them the status of adivasipadas, these adivasipadas did not exist in BMC registers before 2000.... in 2007 a budget of 50 crores was allocated by BMC to solve some of the infrastructure problems in goathans and koliwadas but all that money went into whose pockets no one knows and not a single east indian or koli benefited.... this year 60 crores has been allocated and again where that money will go no one will know.... MLAs, MPs & Corporators in Bombay have been elected by slum dwellers this explains why slum dwellers get free land, free flats, free electricity, free water.... vote bank politics has converted Bombay to Slumbai.... the Maharashtra govt. and the Indian govt. now want to convert Slumbai to Shanghai.... in the past the Christians in Bombay remained mute spectators when all their agricultural lands surrounding their gaothans were being grabbed, this time the Maharashtra govt. has gone a step further and wants to acquire gaothans, churches & graveyards and no Christian in Bombay is going to part with his gaothan, church, graveyard without a fight... brother thanks for reading till here and may god bless you for generations to come.... Amen.
CHRIST in CHRISTIAN - CHRISTIAN in CHRIST
Wednesday, 19 March, 2008 6:04 AM
From: "bombay ocean" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins. He rose from the grave and now lives forever. Seek His forgiveness. Seek eternal life. Humbly seek Him through His Word, the Bible.

God has delivered us from the power of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

God demonstrated His love by sending His promised Son, the Savior and Messiah, Jesus Christ, and allowing Him to be crucified. God paid for our sins Himself. The Lord is good, just and merciful beyond our understanding.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life".

Seek God now. Humbly ask Him to forgive you of your sins. Jesus Christ paid the full price for sin on a Roman cross almost 2000 years ago. Seek His free gift of forgiveness and unending love.

Jesus Christ said: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."

http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com
Aborigine catholic native blog
CHRISTIANITY - BULLDOZED IN - INDIA
Monday, 17 March, 2008 6:10 AM
From: "paul rodrigues" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Dear Brother.... Unlike Hindus in India who had the Indian government to take care of them and Unlike Muslims in India who had neighbouring Pakistan to provide them with moral, economic, political, logistical, military support, the Christians in India got orphaned after the British left India in 1947. The population of Christians in India stagnated 1947 onwards because of various reasons some of which are � christians were denied government jobs, christian lands were forcibly occupied, christians were threatened both by the state and hindu organisations, etc. Apart from this reasons another important reason was the Christian priests / missionaries / bishops who did not bother to help the poor Christians. The following article discusses the problems faced by catholics in India from the catholic church.

Ask the average Indian what they think of the Christians in India, and you will get the reply - "peace loving." Dig a little further and you will probably be told that they are a contented lot, who don't easily get agitated or involved in public life. You may also hear that they are not particularly ambitious.

There was a time, before Vatican II and easy availability of foreign funds, when the clergy was financially dependent on the contributions of the laity. In turn the laity was dependent on the clergy for spiritual solace. This was a healthy complementarity and interdependence, which Vatican II refers to as "being bound together by a mutual need" just as in a loving marital bond. Two factors have changed this bond of mutual love and respect. One partner (the catholic church) has become too powerful and dominating, while the other (lay catholics) has correspondingly become more docile. This imbalance is unhealthy.

Prior to Vatican II the clergy and religious lived an ascetic and arduous life. They have since abused the responsible freedom of Vatican II to jettison all forms of asceticism. They have "secularised" themselves in work, thought and dress, even more than the laity who are supposed to live and work in the secular sphere.

With the easy accessibility of foreign funds, dollar mass stipends and mushroom growth of money-generating institutions, they are now self-dependent, leading to self-complacency.

The only other time that the catholic church requires the laity is when a priest or nun has been killed by right wing hindu organizations. Then the laity must come out in vast numbers to support them.

The Church cannot walk on one leg if it seeks to get anywhere. This is precisely what is happening. The clergy and religious are using the laity as a crutch to prop themselves up. This is crippling the church. Both legs must be strong and walk in tandem. Since the laity has been reduced to a peripheral and passive role, it has become increasingly uninvolved in church life. This is evident also in the growing diffidence to Catholic associations, which are or should be the public face of the church in socio-economic, political and media affairs.

What is the vast majority of lay Catholic's involvement in the life and mission of the Church? We are often referred to as Sunday Catholics. Those who are involved in the catechetical ministry refer to it as a petrol-filling station, where you just come to get something, to fill up for the week.

Others sense that catholics are united. This is akin to saying that bodies laid side by side in the graveyard are united, because they don't raise their voices. There is no true unity in the Catholic community which every catholic knows.

First there is the clergy-laity divide, which is widening by the day. Then there is the ethnic divide - the Malayalees are separate, the Adivasis are in their own cluster, the English speaking don't mingle with the local folks, and so on. This is why, in many urban areas, there are strong associations of Malayalees and adivasis, who have more members and better finances than the cosmopolitan and heterogeneous Catholic associations.

Homogenous groups are comfortable in their own familiar milieu, and don't want others to rock the boat. To add fuel to the fire is the increasing divisiveness of Rites. This particular phenomenon was earlier restricted to Kerala. However, with Malayalees now spread all over India in sizeable numbers, this historical divide has spread like a virus throughout the Church. Unfortunately, its flames have been fanned by the hierarchy and clergy, further dividing a fractured framework. In certain parts of south India, which boasts of being an older Christian community, the caste divide is shamefully rampant. So the image that we see of us is divisiveness.

As per information provided in the "Catholic Directory of India", which is the latest available, only 25% percent of Catholic children and youth (between the ages of three to 21 years) are actually studying in Catholic institutions. This is a startling figure, which the bishops of India are unable to face. The harsh reality is that three out of four Catholic children are not in Catholic institutions.

The church has undertaken multifarious welfare activities in both rural and urban areas. It has also been alert to the need for disaster relief - as caused by floods or earthquakes. When compared to Government agencies, Catholic social welfare services have been sincere and impartial. It's a different matter that Caritas and Catholic Relief Services are not catering to the needs of poor and deprived Catholics.

Just as India is a country of many hues, so is the Catholic community that is spread out from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, and Gujarat to Arunachal.

GOD'S OWN COUNTRY, KERALA: Described as God's own country, it was the first place in India where Christianity was established in apostolic times. Today Kerala accounts for more than two-thirds of the number of personnel joining seminaries and novitiates. Whether it is clergymen or nurses, the image of Kerala Christians is that of assimilation and hard-work on the one hand, and a tendency to be clannish on the other.

Moving up the coast from Kerala comes MANGALORE or South Canara. An important aspect of Mangalorean Christians is that they too remained rooted in their local culture and language. Their attitudes are influenced by the Kerala Christians to their south, and their northern neighbours, the Goans.

GOA, WHERE HISTORY HAS BEEN FAR FROM IDYLLIC: Goa today is projected as an idyllic destination for honeymooners, and an ideal place for setting up pharmaceutical, cosmetics and software industries. But the history of the Church in Goa has been far from idyllic. Because of Portuguese repression, and limited opportunities, Goans were among the first Indian Catholics to migrate to other parts of the country in substantial numbers.

BOMBAY � from all the catholic groups in independent India one catholic group that has suffered the most are the east indian catholics of India. Know more on the catholics of Bombay by login on to http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com or http://www.east-indians.com.

THE NORTH, A POTPOURRI OF MANY PEOPLES: This vast expanse, in ecclesiastical terms, covers the entire non-tribal regions of north, central and western India. It is a potpourri of many peoples, with just small pockets of local Catholics. The Church in north India is a Church of outsiders. The first migrants to the north were the Goans, followed by the Tamilians. There were of course the Anglo-Indians, who have since migrated in large numbers to Canada and Australia. Today the major groups that form the bulk of the Church are the Malayalees and the adivasis. There are hardly any local vocations to the priesthood and religious life. Ahmedabad in Gujarat is the first diocese to have a local bishop. All the others are either Malayalees, Mangaloreans or a remnant of Goans.

Few practical suggestions for improving the image of the Catholic Church in India:

* The AICU (All India Catholic Union, a lay body), and not the CBCI, should be the public face and spokesperson of the Church in all socio economic and political affairs. Catholic associations and sabhas must become more active and representative of their people. Bishops and clergy must "let go" of domination in temporal affairs. It is not enough to pay lip service to the role of the laity. The hierarchy must humble itself to actively encourage the leadership of the laity.

* Knowledge is a power. The laity are powerless because they are ignorant. Don't wait for somebody to enlighten or empower you. It doesn't happen that way in real life. Look for opportunities and seize them, or else you'll cease to count in the arithmetic of our collective image.

* We need many more Catholic historians. As it is said, those who are ignorant of history are bound to repeat its mistakes. Those who know history, including Church history, can be conscience keepers, to guard against repetition of the same.

* We need many more journalists in the print and electronic media, and especially in the vernacular press. The CBCI's establishment of the National Institute of Social Communication, Research and Training (NISCORT) at Ghaziabad, near Delhi, is a step in the right direction.

CONCLUSION: This is a long presentation, prepared over a very short period. Fools will enter where angels fear to tread. You in turn will be equally foolish if you believe or swallow all that you have read above. It is impossible to encapsulate such a large picture on such a small canvas. But hope this article gives you an insight on the problems faced by catholics in India and may Lord Jesus Christ bless you with health & wealth. Christ in Christian... Christian in Christ. Amen.
BOMBAY - THACKERAY's PRIVATE PROPERTY - Grab Land Make Money
Friday, 7 March, 2008 7:01 AM
From: "rajiv nair" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The Fascist dispensation that ruled the State of Maharashtra for a few years, did nothing but change names of places or seize vacant Government lands to build clubs for their middle class supporters, where they sold alcohol and made money. They invited the homeless to also encroach on vacant government lands, similarly, among whom were the now so called North Indians. These were to be, they thought, their permanent vote-banks. The Fascists grew fat with funds which were to be spent for the betterment of the people of Mumbai, who had voted for them but were instead pocketed. They became hoteliers, Builders, etc. They built clubs, Wedding Halls etc,etc, which gave these non-entities, who were smart to sense the opportunity, to join the Party and make money to grow rich.

It is reported that there were quotas fixed for each of these entrants to show their loyalties to the cause which entailed collections from all sources and a movement of such funds to the Headquarters. Soon these new rich had cars, Flats etc. They invested in Flats galore, all legal. Asked their Builder friends to build temples, to show how pious they were, dedicated to the memory of their dead parents, as if these were being built by them. Nobody bothered to find out the source of these funds. Their children flocked to English medium schools and they did nothing except to continue what the earlier congress had continuously done for four decades.

Finally the fascists were voted out. But they knew that the jackpot was the Municpal Corporation in Bombay, name now changed to Mumbai (kolis never demanded bombay be renamed to mumbai) in honour of the maratha woman mumba who built the mumbadevi temple. They resurrected the old slogan MARATHI MANOOS IN DANGER, and the frightened Marathi Manoos came out with his entire family and ensured that the Tiger's Party was not voted out by the other vote banks, i.e.the North Indians. The Fascists thus saved their golden goose the B.M.C. which lays their Golden egg. This is todays Mumbai.

Michael Jackson came to Mumbai. He sang and danced here and generated a lot of money which was given to somebody, who promised to use it for the betterment of the Maharastrian youth. How much upliftment was really done is a sixty-four dollar question. how come the same individual now has crores to buy properties which were once textile mills? How come a person who does no work or has no ancestoral riches has become overnight, the owner of crores. Is this a repeat of Kumari Mayavati, who explains her accumulations as love of her people who make donations to her. It would be pertinent to ask if this person so loved the Marathi Youth. He would have started Technical Institutes to train Marathi Young Boys seeking jobs as Auto Mechanics, Air Conditioning mechanics. Lift Operation Mechanics.etc,etc, He would have financed them to purchase Rickshaws. He would have trained them to become pipe layers, Plumbers, Electricians etc etc and a host of other professions of which there is a long felt shortage which is being filled in by hard working young men from U.P., Orissa, Bihar, Jharkhand, etc, Indian Films and T.V. are full of actors from all over India. They are all contributing to Mumbais growth.

Everyone in the political field in this city is a multi millionaire? and dares not ask the other for an explanation. Where has the Michael Jackson money gone?

The Supreme Court has expressed its anguish over the Mumbai happenings. Why is our High Court silent and not initiating action Suo-Moto. The answer to the problem is to dissolve the B.M.C. and to give Mumbai an Assembly. Those who just encroach on Government lands will not be given a vote. This will eliminate vote banks.

All those who have accumulated wealth in the last decade from Politics will have to explain their sources before a Special Commission to be appointed for the purpose and without a clearance from this Commission's they will not be permitted to stand for election. Also all those who stand for election will have to swear their faith and belief in our Constitution Para by Para and if they do not do so they will automatically be disenfranchised. They dare not spread Fascism in the country. We are a democracy which gives free movement to all its citizens through the length and breadth of the country. Everybody has equal rights. They only have to ensure that they are law abiding.

Let the Government declare that encroachment on Government lands by anybody is a Capital offence and spare none, big or small, maharastrian or non, whoever is a violator and act accordingly in applying the law.

The answer is that Mumbai must have its own Assembly as a Union Territory. The will of the people has to be determined for the purpose. Late Mr S.K. Patil who used to be called the uncrowned king of Bombay, realised this, decades ago but the Congress Party of the day let him down and did not support him. Let there be a referendum on the subject among the Peoples of Mumbai and their views taken on the subject. The overwhelming number will agree. The will of the people has to be found out and their will is supreme and not that of any individual big or small.

Those who disturb the peace must face the full force of the law. They and their supporters can be externed from the city. This is a democracy and not an oligarchy. Lets decide this question once and for all.

If Vidarbha can be seperated and made into a seperate State as demanded by the Maharastra BJP, why cannot Mumbai.

The Mumbai disturbances are the new face of the Fascist terrorists. Hindus who do not vote for their Party, are not required to live in areas which the Fascists consider their strongholds and are to be driven out. Great HINDUVARTA? No sensible person can fall for their line of thinking except the BJP of the INCREDABLE INDIA SLOGAN PARTY, the Sonia led Congress Party which is so scared that they just refuse to act.

It is we the people of India who need to see the truimph of Democracy, Lets see some stronger steps from the Centre. First the P.M. must change his Home Minister and ensure that those who disturbed the peace of Mumbai are made to pay for it. This can be ensured by a change of the C.M. and appointment of a fast track court to handle the cases involving the two people recently arrested who are allegedly the cause of the disturbances. We do not want a decision a decade later when it has no meaning. We hope and pray for an Indian OBAMA to lead this Nation and lead us into a new and changed order?

To summorise:

1. we require that Mumbai be made into a City State under the Government of India.

2. Break up all the large States into smaller ones for better governance and administration in the interests of all the Indian people so that the fruits of development are evenly spread out.

3. The Constitution of the Indian Republic be amended so that every State has an equal number of Seats in Parliament. The State Assemblies membership be increased so the voice of the people is heard and debated and problems solved.

4. Central Development Funds be allocated and spread out equally to all the States so the fruits of development are also shared equally among all the Indian People.

5. That Parties that subcribe to Fascism or Violent revolutionary methods be banned and treated as Terrrorists and their registration to stand for Election be cancelled.

6. That the Present Judicial system with its huge backlog of cases be revisited for quick and early delivery of Justice.

7. That propotional representation be introduced in the electoral system.

Till all this happens the present rule of powerful families will only grow and we will degenerate into the old rule of Rajas and Maharajas under new names.

This is OLIGARCHY and Fascism, which fails to address the basic dignity of each indian which stems from not only his being a gift of GOD but also his rights guaranteed to him by the Indian Constitution.

If anyone in Power therefore fails in his duties in enforcing the law His is the greater fault because it is a failure on his part.

The Election Commission of our country cannot sit idly by and wait for some minor courts decisions. It is the job of the Election Commission to check whether the policy enuntiated by the Fascists in Mumbai violates the provisions under the constitution and invites penal provisions resulting in disqulification. The time is ripe for its intervention. The Hon Supreme Court also has spoken, therefore any delay would be a serious lapse on its part if no action is still forthcoming?
JESUS CHRIST - The Brahman � The Alpha � The Omega � The King of Kings
Saturday, 29 September, 2007 7:05 AM
From: "christ power" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

'FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WITH THEE'

Gracious Lord Jesus Christ, we are your people embraced by your love.

We thank you for your presence with us throughout all time.

Liberate us from that which keeps us from you.

Enable us to recreate our world and restore justice.

Heal us from every form of sin and violence.

Transform us to live your Word more profoundly.

Reconcile us so enemies become friends.

Awaken us to the sacred; nurture our relationships;

Enliven our parishes; reunite our families.

Fill us with joy to celebrate the fullness of life.

Empower us to be a community of love growing in your likeness. Amen

CHRISTPOWER
INDIA's ATOMIC WEAPONS THREAT TO MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, SIKHS, BUDDHISTS, JAINS, TRIBALS, DALITS......
Thursday, 27 September, 2007 7:11 AM
From: "wisdom news" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

And these atomic bombs which science burst upon the world that night were strange even to the men who used them.... The continuous rise in the population of Hindus and right wing hindu organizations accompanied with the rise in India's atomic weapons, missiles, naval power, air power and overall military power will in the coming months and years result in more suffocation of muslims, christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, tribals, dalits & other minorities in India at the hands of right wing hindu organizations.... Already many christians who know the dangers of living in India are migrating to christian countries in large numbers.... The congress & BJP are two sides of the same coin because almost all their leaders are upper caste hindus.... The congress has banned many Muslim organizations but does not want to ban any right wing hindu organization that's because the congress is hand in globe with the three main right wing hindu organisations i.e. Brahman RSS, Bania VHP and the para-military Bajrang Dal.... it is interesting to note that the same upper caste hindus & brahmans who fund right wing hindu organizations also fund the congress party.... The congress needs the backdoor services of right wing hindu organizations to counter communists, muslims, christians, jains, Buddhists, sikhs, dalits, tribals and other minorities.... also remember after India tested atomic weapons on May 1998 immediately after few weeks right wing hindu organizations targeted Christians in India which culminated in the burning of Graham staines and his two children... and later on the burning of thousands of muslims in Gujarat at the hands of right wing hindu organisations... not to forget the persecution of tribals and dalits.... if you think this is all bullshit... wait & watch how in the coming months and years the right wing hindu organizations will systematically carry on their hindutva agenda.... the ultimate mission of the right wing upper caste hindu organisations is to create a India where all the control is in the hands of upper caste hindus and brahmans just as it was a 1000 years back.... A friend recently reminded me that India is a secular state, prompting me to burst out laughing. It was the funniest thing I had heard since someone used the words "honest" and "politician" in the same sentence.... If India can accurately be described as "secular," then Mike Tyson is well within his rights to call himself "stable".... if anyone amongst you thinks India is a secular country then perhaps you need a few more visits to your psychiatrist.... In this country, democracy means rioting on the streets , attacking innocent civilians, going on strike every two days, stifling expressions of speech, destroying property, and spreading civil terror.... Most of these marauders are religious-political parties, political leaders, and their hired goons. In other words, the very people who pull the levers of this democratic machinery are the ones looting and plundering on the streets.... ENJOY that's India for you.
SALT PAN LANDS to be used for THIEVES
Sunday, 1 July, 2007 8:48 AM
From: "bombay live" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

Brother the rains will come and rains will go and life will go on but sadly there is nothing you can do to stop the Maharashtra govt., Bombay Muncipal Corp. & Slum Dwellers from looting / raping / screwing Bombay.... one part of konkan in Gujarat, one part of konkan in Maharashtra, one part of konkan in Karnataka fortunately the Goans in Goa are still living in the original konkan.... brother your life expectancy is less than 100 years so make sure before your dead body reaches the graveyard / samshanghat / kabrastan you read the following links........ENJOY.

National Portal of India: http://www.india.gov.in

Stop funding hate: http://www.stopfundinghate.org or http://www.secularindia.com

Bombay Aborigine Christian Link: http://eastindians.blogspot.com or http://www.east-indians.com

Mangalorean Tragedy Link: http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2006-August/subject&post_id=046405

Where Goans Connect: http://www.goanet.org or http://www.goacom.com

Where Mangaloreans connect: http://www.mangalorean.com or http://konkanicatholics.blogspot.com

Catholic Bishops link: http://www.cbcisite.com

Catholic Tragedy Link: http://www.colaco.net/3/trials&tribulations.htm
LUCIOs children will liberate goa
Saturday, 9 June, 2007 3:33 PM
From: "east indians" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

Lucio Mascarenhas children's will one day liberate goa.... till then lucio can keep our assets (blog page) on his lunatic pages.... goodbye and goodluck.
MISSING CHURCH PROPERTIES IN THE STATE OF BOMBAY
Thursday, 24 May, 2007 6:37 AM
From: "bara card" [email protected]
To: Undisclosed recipients

Current market Value of the vaccant properties in possession of the catholic church and catholic schools in Bombay now runs into thousands of crores.... this church properties were half a century back donated by poor old east indian vanjri ("childless") couples to the church with the intention that the priests would remember them in their prayers during masses.... every year 1 to 5 properties of the church in Bombay are sold and this money is transferred to the archbishops house.... Huge amounts are also recvd. from renting church properties and catholic school properties.... the archbishops house utilizes the money recvd from sale of church properties for the welfare of the poor amongst the goans / mangaloreans living in Bombay, Goa and Mangalore as well as transfers money for conversion activities of catholic missionaries.... Sadly not a single rupee from the sale of church properties is used for the poor amongst the east Indians.... the archbishops house, archdiocese of Bombay, all catholic church and schools, parish councils, church committees and catholic school committees in Bombay are controlled by goans / mangaloreans and obviously this is the reason why the east Indians in Bombay have been sidelined by the church... and due to the fear of the Marathas no one has the arse to report the truth of Bombay and its aborigine natives. Some people take great pride in Reporting on the problems of migrant slum encroachers but this same arseholes never report on the problems of the east Indians on whose former rice fields the migrant slum encroachers were / are living.... for more details click the comments menu of this blog http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com.... you will find many comments like this one:

"It is true that most of the land in the city and suburbs of Bombay belonged predominantly to the 'East Indians' and that they have been expropriated (taking over of private property by a government, often without fair compensation but usually with a legal assertion that the government has a right to do so) often with no real compensation, in a naked land grab, both by the English and by the Free India government. This is a wrong that needs to be addressed and corrected.

"It is indeed hypocritical and unfortunate that the City of Bombay and the Province (Pradesh) of Maharashtra mollycoddle slum dwellers who are basically illegal encroachers on lands that do not belong to them, via the Slum Rehabilitation Authority, even while it turns a blind eye to the plight of the 'East Indians', the aborigine natives of Bombay and salsette islands, whose lands and properties continue to be expropriated.

"Thus, we read the report of the 'Afzulpurkar Committee' appointed by the Shiv Sena-BJP government of Maharashtra in 1995 under the chairmanship of Mr. Dinesh Afzalpurkar, Chief Secretary of Maharashtra:

"'For lifting them (slum encroachers) from their present levels, cross-subsidisation of the cost of their dwelling units and allotting them free of charge, though not supported by housing philosophy, had become a necessity and a cure in the given situation.

"'Slum-dwellers deserve this preferential � probably unequal treatment � to bring them into the mainstream of social, cultural and economic fabric of this pulsating city. The study group has relied heavily on this philosophy.

"'If inequality has to be removed, there have to be unequal laws.' � Afzalpurkar Committee Report, 2000 A.D.

"Thus, the government of Maharashtra considers it a necessity to legitimize and provide free housing to people who have stolen other people's lands in broad daylight � and with the connivance of the State and its functionaries � even as it rejects with contempt the rights of legitimate property owners, the 'East Indians', who have been blasely expropriated, and refuses to compensate and rehabilitate them!!!"

Farmers in Raigad district of Maharashtra used satellite images from Google Earth to prove their fields were fertile and demanded greater compensation from the state government which was acquiring the land to create a Special Economic Zone.

Its not unusual for state governments to wrongly classify land as infertile (governments with agendas do that regularly), and it is certainly not uncommon for farmers to revolt (their land is the only means for survival).

http://eastindians.blogspot.com
Re: LUCIO THE FILTHY GOAN PIG
Friday, 1 June, 2007 3:40 PM
From: "prem" [email protected]
To: "visa blog" [email protected]
Cc: Lucio Mascarenhas

you are beginning to irritate me. LAY OFF LUCIO!!!

He has done more for the East Indian Community than you have. I repeat Lucio has done more for the East Indian Community than you have. I am a witness to that.

All you have so far done is tell what are the misgivings of the East Indians, which I'm not too sure you are. And if indeed you are, try to do some good by suggesting ways and means of uniting the East Indians. You keep saying you will not email, but continue to do so.

Lucio, - Ignore this guy. There were a lot of EI, like Walter Murzello, Godfrey Pimenta, Ashley D'mello, Brian Pereira, who thought that this guy was being a "real" "thoughtful" East Indian and like me have just stopped.

We do what ever we can for our communities in whatever little way we can without getting crass.

And, dear SPAMMER, it is not that Lucio and I see eye to eye on all issues. But, he respects my views and I his, though we both may not accept each other views. Thats the way it should be.

And Lucio, not that you would want of me to show you the proof. But I can send you the emails of the persons mentioned, if you so desire, with regards our dear friend.

I have collected the IP address of our friend emails, through it I have already verified his name and address. I will in due course mail it to Prasant, who is currently with the Forum for online laws in India, with direct laison to the cybercell.

I honestly prefer our dear SPAMMER friend to be civil, rather than take such action. There are few who will bear witness to such cases. I do not want to increase this number.

regards
prem
Anglo-Indians: Immigration and the Dilemma of Identity
Thursday, 17 May, 2007 7:29 AM
From: "Rex F." [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

www.eastindians.blogspot.com ...sorry brother you will not know how many others were there in the blank carbon copy i.e. bcc field.

The world of Anglo-Indians vanished on August 15, 1947, when a new nation was born. As India's Hindus threw off the shackles of three centuries of colonial rule and as Hindus strode proud and free into the future, the British packed their bags, their polo sticks, their regimental jackets, and their memories � and went home to 'Blighty'. Not everyone, however, was glad to see them go.

The somewhat sudden and unexpected departure of the British from Indian soil, posed a series of tangled problems involving critical choices for the Anglo Indian community. The pivotal point for Anglo-Indians was the hand-over of political power in 1947: suddenly experiencing the insecurity of a minority group, thousands of Anglo-Indians left India for safer shores � USA, Canada, New Zealand, England and Australia.

The 1950s and 1960s saw a steady stream of departures as about 150,000 Anglo-Indians, seeking wider horizons and better job prospects, emigrated to Australia, Britain, Canada, the U.S.A. and New Zealand. The exodus has continued through the decades up to the present time � although now, Anglo-Indians, like their Indian contemporaries, leave India not for reasons of uncertainty, but because the West offers a dazzling array of educational and career opportunities.

The Anglo-Indians are a mostly progressive, self-sufficient and adjustable community, they have been able to adapt themselves to the new situation and conditions presented to them in the country they migrated to, at the same time keeping the link with the country of their birth. The older Anglo-Indians prefer to stay within their own community and cling to their own distinctive lifestyle, a mixture of the British and the Indian. While the future seems promising for the children, the older Anglo-Indians find themselves comfortable in their own community and culture. They prefer to organise for themselves a little India in their own homes and the social get togethers, 'the way it was in India itself.' They prefer spicy Indian food and association only with Anglo-Indians.

In the near future the east indians (www.eastindians.blogspot.com) will also follow in the footsteps of Anglo-Indians and vanish out of India. Why wait for the future there are already thousands of east indians who have migrated during the last 25 years to AUS / CAN / USA / UK / NZ and have become citizens of those heavenly countries and this trend of migrating is going to continue because India has become a Hindu Rashtra where only Hindus have civic / job / land rights and add to this the rising population of Hindus will continue to squeeze christians and christianity in India and add to this lakhs of educated / uneducated / unemployed people from various parts of maharashtra and India will continue to migrate to bombay and its surroundings in search of jobs. So if you are a east indian pack your bags and migrate to usa / can / aus / uk / nz....there are many un-skilled, semi-skilled and skilled jobs in those heavenly countries.... goodbye and goodluck.

THINK FAST, LOOK ALIVE, DIE HARD. http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com
Bal Keshav Thackeray � A cunning and intelligent man
Friday, 18 May, 2007 8:00 AM
From: "Rex F." [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

www.eastindians.blogspot.com.... SORRY BROTHER... henceforth you will NOT receive any of our copyrighted mails... we have given you enough free lunch.... goodbye & god bless you.... AMEN.

Bal Keshav Thackeray was born on Jan. 23, 1927, in Pune, Maharashtra state, British India. He began his career in the early 1950s as a cartoonist for the Free Press Journal in Mumbai. His cartoons also appeared in the Tokyo daily newspaper Asahi Shimbun and in the Sunday edition of the New York Times. In the 1960s he became increasingly involved in politics. He developed a strong regional following through his work for a weekly Marathi-language journal called Marmik, which he published with his brother and which polemicized against the influence of "outsiders" in Maharashtra. In 1966 he founded the Shiv Sena.

Although Thackeray had never held an official post or ran for elective office, the 80-year-old founder of the radical Hindu Shiv Sena ("Army of Shiva") Party was generally regarded as the most powerful man in the western Indian state of Maharashtra. He was often referred to as the "godfather of Maharashtra" or, as his legion of devout followers called him, Hindu Hridaysamrat ("emperor of the Hindu hearts"). His party advocated the end of India's constitutional status as a secular state and the adoption of Hinduism as the nation's official religion. Such was Thackeray's power that when the Shiv Sena gained political control of Maharashtra in the 1990s, he had Bombay renamed Mumbai after the goddess Mumbadevi � the name by which the city is known in the regional language of Marathi � and when Thackeray was satirized by novelist Salman Rushdie in The Moor's Last Sigh (1995), the book was immediately banned in Maharashtra. Over the years, Thackeray had been accused of inciting violent conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. The most notorious incident came in 1992�93, when nearly 1,000 people were killed during several weeks of anti-Muslim rioting in Mumbai. Despite having been known to speak admiringly of Adolf Hitler and even refer to himself as the "Hitler of India," Thackeray insisted that he was "not against each and every" Muslim. "But those Muslims who reside in this country but do not go by the laws of the land," he once declared in an interview, "I consider such people traitors."

Amid allegations that it employed illegal and sometimes violent tactics, Thackeray 's party grew into a major political force in the state. In alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), the Shiv Sena won 138 out of 288 seats in the Maharashtra provincial assembly in 1995 � enough to form a coalition government. In power, Thackeray continued to be a lightning rod for controversy. His supporters destroyed the 16th-century Babri mosque in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, in 1992, and in 2000 he was arrested on charges of having incited the deadly 1992�93 Mumbai riots. Though Thackeray never denied the charges, they were dismissed after a magistrate ruled that the statute of limitations on the case had run out.

The BJP�Shiv Sena alliance suffered a stunning setback in October 2004 when it lost six seats in the Maharashtra elections that many observers had expected the alliance to dominate, and speculation began to turn on who might eventually succeed the aging Shiv Sena leader. His nephew Raj Thackeray � who was responsible for compiling Bal Keshav Thackeray: A Photobiography � had been mentioned as a possibility, as had Thackeray's son Uddhav, who had already assumed the post of executive president of the Shiv Sena. The rest you know.

http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com
MIGRATION...
Monday, 7 May, 2007 3:02 PM
From: "Dr. James Rego" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com

The rising population of Hindus and Muslims in India will continue to squeeze Christians and Christianity in India... and the best option available to Christians especially the 15 million ( 1.5 crore ) catholics in India is to follow in the footsteps of Anglo-Indians i.e. migrate.... There is a lot of vacant land in AUS / CAN / USA and there are lots of un-skilled, semi-skilled and skilled jobs in AUS / CAN / USA.... previously it was only the upper class catholics from India who have vigourously tried hard to migrate to AUS / CAN / USA / NZ on work visas and most of them have become citizens of those heavenly countries and during the last few years this trend of working in USA / AUS / CAN / NZ has also catched up with the lower class catholics in India.... those catholics in India who are not interested in migrating to foreign lands will later regret.... this is what RSS founder Gowalkar had said �only hindus in India should have civic / land / job rights� and this is what many right wing hindu political leaders say

Christians from India should migrate to Christian countries... and you know very well how difficult it is to get government jobs or a job in the private sector in India for catholics....

no further emails the rainy season is coming....

regards and god bless you till you are alive
My two bits
Sunday, 29 April, 2007 5:18 PM
From: "admin" [email protected]
To: "east indian" [email protected]
Cc: Lucio Mascarenhas

Dear "East Indian"

I propose that you and Lucio meet. If need be I'll send you an invite at your house address.

I'll also have it as a small party, with other prominent selfless people, fighting what they feel is a just cause.

We, East Indians believe that we are fighting a just cause. So, we should have that respect for Lucio as well. It's not that agree with all either Lucio or You, my dear friend. But that's exactly what's important, different views....having one goal in mind, and coming to a concesus.

Your abusive language, is uncalled for. Please read one of your friends testimonials, regarding you, and how highly he thinks of you, Image him receiving such a mail from you, or a mail that originates from you.

The only reson why you keep getting bitter is that your comments are not read by all...how can it, if this is your behavior.

It is VERY easy to put a link pointing to your blog site, but does it make sense??? In my opnion... NO !!!

You never even keep your word... "This is my last mail." I have at least 8-10 of them and mind you mails that I do not respond to, not to mention your different Aliases.

Also, you were not there for the key meeting of the East Indians lands being taken up under SEZ!!! Please help fight for that, and you will see, that we are still dividing ourselves, and we are small fry. Today the say is of the Maharastrians, Gujaratis, Biharis and not of the East Indians and not of their fellow Konkanites, whom they share a common region and religion.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 east indian wrote :
NEITHER THE GOANS AND MANGALOREANS IN BOMBAY CAN SURVIVE ON RELIGION ALONE....
COPYRIGHT VIOLIATION - final warning
Sunday, 29 April, 2007 3:52 PM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

You have violated copyright laws by uploading our work in your web page without taking our permission. Your work cannot be considered copyright material because you have uploaded yr work not on your personal website but on a public site (geocities). None of your webpages have your contact details which proves you are operating anonymously and we dont think lucio mascarenhas is your real name due to which we have changed your name on our comment blog. We will only remove your work from our blog only if you remove our work from your web page. On our blog we have called upon ei and non-eis to read the bible and worship god and when you say on your web page that our blog is full of lies then this proves that you are against the bible and god. Why dont you goan and mangi dogs go to your native places in goa and mangalore instead of harassing east indians in bombay. If you dont understand what we are saying then go to hell and screw jawaharlal nehrus arse maybe yr goa will get freedom.
GORAI and MANORI east indians are DOOMED
Saturday, 7 April, 2007 3:49 PM
From: "paul rebello" [email protected]
To: Undisclosed recipients

Dear Sir,

Like the Anglo-Indians the best option for the natives (www.east-indians.com) of bombay is to migrate to foreign shores rather than live in bombay and get doomed. Also check the comments menu of this blogsite www.eastindians.blogspot.com.

regards

paul rebello
NO FURTHER COMMUNICATIONS
Friday, 27 April, 2007 3:43 PM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

Looks like you are not interested in removing our blog + comments frm yr norteiro malice web page and also dont expect us to remove your comment from our blog. Whatever modification we have done in our blog is full and final and April 2007 onwards will remain static. No further communications henceforth. Goodbye and goodluck in your independent goa mission.
Re: ONE MORE POINT TO BE NOTED
Thursday, 26 April, 2007 8:14 AM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

One more point which we forgot to inform you in our previous mails is - we know that 10 to 20% of east indians are economically well off and were educated in catholic schools but this does not mean that all east indians in bombay are economically well off and were educated in catholic schools. Till today we have not recvd. any mail or comment from an east indian that what we have written on the blog is bullshit.

The counter comments which you have posted on your norteiro mailice page is irrelevant to us but of course you also have a right to spread anti-east indian propangada.

regards.
MAN CANNOT SURVIVE ON RELIGION ALONE
Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 3:39 PM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas, [email protected]

NEITHER THE GOANS AND MANGALOREANS IN BOMBAY CAN SURVIVE ON RELIGION ALONE. We have clearly mentioned in the last paragraph of our blog that those who dont agree with what is written on the blog should ignore the blog. Remove our blog incuding the comments which you have posted on your norteiro malice webpage and we will remove your comments from our blog thats it. The Kolis on our blog refer to the 80% hindu kolis living in bombay not the christian kolis in bombay everyone knows kolis refer to hindu kolis. We know what the marathi people are doing in konkan and we know what the hindutvawadis are doing in India but we also know that to tackle the marathis and the hindutavawadis requires western support and in one our mail we have said to you that the western countries are more concerned in making india a strong nation to counter chinas growing military and economic power and it is foolish to think of a independent Goa which is your dream.

regards and god bless you all.
SORRY DEAR
Tuesday, 24 April, 2007 3:47 PM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

SORRY DEAR FOR THE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE USED IN THE PREVIOUS MAIL. But just as you have loaded our entire blog included the comments in your norteiro malice web page so we also have a right to load your info on our blog. The comments menu of the blog clearly states that comments will be moderated and that is exactly what we do. Our blog has been modified and what you have loaded in your web page is now outdated.

Regards and god bless you.
plagarism bullshit
Monday, 23 April, 2007 1:01 PM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The person who is talking of plagarism he himself has loaded a copy of our blog along with the comments on his norterio-malice web page. What a shameless person he is. He himself had posted a link of his webpage in the comments menu of the blog and now he denies that he not posted his link all that the blog authors did was they loaded only a part of his comments. The blog clearly mention in the last para of the blog that those who dont agree with the contents of the blog should ignore what is written on the blog but this fool posted his link in the comments menu. We will respond with abusive languague if we againt receive any mail from this lund fakir chand.
no shame no compunction
Monday, 23 April, 2007 7:34 AM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

The blog authors have done an excellent job in exposing how the maharashtra alias maratha govt. and the goan/mangi priests have cheated east indians OFCOURSE its up to the people who log on to the blog to decide whether what is written on the blog is fact or fiction.

The person who says that east indians are economically well off is not aware of the reasons why east indians have fought for OBC status and the east indians who were involved in the OBC campaign did not take the support of any goan / mangi priest for obvious reasons the only support they took was from ei priests from vasai diocese here in bombay finding an ei priest is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

The land in bombay and suburbs did not belong to portuguese, britishers, goans, mangis and technically all catholic churches and catholics schools in bombay and suburbs are built on lands of east indians JUST AS all catholic churches and catholics in goa and mangalore are built on the lands of the natives of goa and mangalore. But unlike in goa and mangalore where the parish councils, church and schools committes are controlled by the native catholics here in bombay the control is in the hands of goan / mangis due to which east indians have been ignored. JUst like the goan / mangi priests who dont have any shame and compunction the blog authors also dont have any shame and compunction and the blog authors advise all east indians to loose their shame and compuction if they want to liberate the parish councils, church and schools committes from the cunning goans and mangis. Also read the first comment in the comments men of the blog.

As for the Shiv Sena it is foolish to say that they are only anti-christians becuase they also target north/south indian 'hindus'. An ei named bonnie pereira has started a political party name 'East Indian Sena' under the guidance of Shiv Sena and the blog authors are not related to bonnie pereira or the shiv sena in any way.

As for an independent Goa its a waste of time, portugual no more raises the isue of goa in united nations and the western countries including portugal are more interested in maintaining cordial relationship with India because of the business oportunities available in India and add to this the western countries want to make a India a powerful nation to counter Chinas growing economic and military might.

Sorry we will henceforth not reply to any mail recvd from those who dont agree with us.

regards and god bless you all.
comments on CATHOLIC BLOGSITE has been updated with new comments
Saturday, 21 April, 2007 8:14 AM
From: "east indian" [email protected]
To: undisclosed-recipients

All the contents on east indian catholic blogsite http://www.eastindians.blogspot.com has been updated and new comments received as on today have been uploaded in the comments menu.

regards
KERALITE MISSIONARIES - ARE CHEATING - CHRISTIANS IN - INDIA
Monday, 5 March, 2007 6:01 AM
From: "Fr. Thomas" [email protected]
To: Undisclosed recipients

Forward this mail to 100 different email ids and you will live for 100 years.

SOURCES OF FUNDS OF KERALITE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES

Majority of the christian (catholic / protestant) missionaries operating in present day independent India are from the state of Kerala.... in Maharashtra almost 90% of catholic / protestant missionaries and nuns are of kerala origin.... if you visit mother theresas ashrams in West Bengal you will find majority of nuns and missionaries are of kerala origin.... in fact if you visit any christian missionary ashram anywhere in india you will find most of the nuns and missionaries in that ashram are of kerala origin.... also note almost all the inmates who are taken care of in this ashrams are non-christians the keralite missionaries are not concerned with the poor christians....

this kerala christian missionaries who are verry verry cunning are not indulging in conversion activities in their home state kerala because they dont want to create communal disharmony between christians and hindus in kerala.... the kerala christian missionaries venture into other states in India and create communal disharmony between hindus and christians of those states by indulging in conversion activities by using allurements and deceit.... the main targets of keralite christian missionaries in present day India are tribals living in rural india and poor hindus living in slum areas in urban india....

why are this keralite christian missionaries in present day india not targeting the upper caste hindus, brahmans, jains, sindhis, budhists, muslims, sikhs, parsis is for you to find out....

also note that KERALA IS THE LAND OF EDUCATED UNEMPLOYED....

in Gulf countries from the total number of Indians almost 70% are from kerala....

the educated keralites dont have any gainful employment in their kerala state because the only type of jobs available in kerala are rice cultivation and fishing and so the educated keralites migrate into other states and countries for work....

the keralites are prepared to work for less salary so naturally they get the job easily....

BECAREFUL OF THIS KERALITES ELSE YOU WILL GO TO HELL....

AND FROM WHERE DO ALL THE KERALITE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES in India get all their funds for conversion activities....

you guessed it right... those funds come from missionary organisations of USA, Cannada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand....

the total foreign funds which are received by the keralite christian missionaries in India can be anywhere between 1000 to 7000 crores per year....

unfortunately not even 1% of this foreign funds are utilized for the welfare of the existing poor christians in India....

around 90% of this entire foreign funds are diverted for conversion activities in India and the rest 10% funds go in the pockets of keralite christian missionaries

after all the keralite missionaries in india have also their stomach and their families stomach in kerala to feed....

what is the point in indulging in conversion activities in India when half the christian population in India is struggling to make ends meet....

now it is upto you to find out why the keralite christian missionaries in India are more concerned with conversion activities and not concerned with the economic problems being faced by the existing poor christians in india....

it is also interesting to note that the christian missionaries who came centuries back to India from europe, middle-east, persia did not use any allurements to convert anyone they only restricted their activities to preaching christianity and building churches and preached christianity wherever their footsteps went they were the real missionaries....

but the keralite christian missionaries in present day India are nothing but a bunch of cowards who want to convert the poor through allurements and deceit.

ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF INDIA

The original inhabitants of India were Tribals and adivasis......the tribals and adivasis did not believe in any religion or gods and were purely nature worshippers....

with the passage of time and the discovery of a few inventions like the wheel... this tribals took interest in other fields like agriculture, boat building, masonry, etc.... from this different fields the tribals adopted various caste names.... this caste names are still prevelanent in all religions in India....

it was 2500 years ago that the indo-aryans (the indo-aryans believed in gods similar to the pantheon of gods which the ancient greeks believed in and todays hindus also believe in the same gods which the indo-aryans believed in) who came from central asia in their fast horse driven chariots and created terror and panic among the original local inhabitants of india mainly in northern and central india....

it was the indo-aryans who forced the tribals and adivasis in northern and central india to beleive in gods which the indo-aryans believed in.... Even the name �Hindu� is a corrupt form of Aryanism.... The Indus River was called Sindhu river in the ancient times.... The Persians pronounced the word Sindhu as Hindu... and called all those who lived there as Hindus.... later on came the christian missionaries from jerusalem and israel and europe who introduced christianity in southern and western india...

later on came the arab missionaries who introduced islam in India....

just remember that the ancestors of present day Hindus, Muslims and Christians in India were tribals and adivasis.

MANKINDS BIGGEST TRAGEDY

God has not given mankind unlimited resources on planet earth and this is the biggest tragedy of mankind and this is also one of the main reasons that family planning, condoms, abortions, etc have become popular all over the world and many governments especially China have no option but to force their citizens to go in for family planning....

Logically speaking abortion is nothing but killing of an unborn human Life... but since governments have made killing of an unborn human life legal you cannot do anything....

fortunately due to availability of contraceptives / condoms most of the married couples are able to avoid pregnancy and obviously there is no need for abortions....

but those people who use contraceptives / condoms for indulging in extra marital sex / prostitution are obviously committing sins.

HAPPY FAMILY

A married couple who have one son and one daughter are the most happiest couples.

forward the above information to your friends, relatives , enemies or anyoune you want to planet earth and your times starts now.
CATHOLICS EAST INDIAN BLOGSITE ON THE NET
Saturday, 3 March, 2007 10:36 AM
From: "peter rebello" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

http://eastindians.blogspot.com

Came across a blogsite named www.eastindians.blogspot.com but is it true what is written on the blogsite and the info posted in the comments menu?

a goan
LUCIO the thief
Friday, 8 June, 2007 9:00 AM
From: "east indians" [email protected]
To: Lucio Mascarenhas

We honoured your instructions in removing yr info from the comments menu of our blog.... but since you are not interested in removing our blog plus five comments from yr malice page we presume you are a thief.... you can write whatever you want about the east indians or the marathi people.... but please dont become a thief by uploading other peoples work on your malice page.... this mail is between you and us there is no one in the bcc field.
PREM - LUCIO COPYRIGHT ARTICLES
web news [email protected]
Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
To: Lucio Mascarenhas
Cc: Prem at East-Indians.com, Admin at East-Indians.com

Dear Lucio Darling,

Don't be happy with the support which you got from these two East Indians ([email protected] and [email protected]) which enabled you to challenge us.

Just as you upload other people�s private data on your sites your copyright articles have also been uploaded on http://publicrights.blogspot.com.

The blog will be updated with more of your articles later.

The same will be put on a bigger mailing list.

People on the mailing list will use portions of your work without you getting any credit.

You cannot defend your copywright work because you will end up disclosing your location.

Take our advice write your articles at a official level and on your own domain and not public sites then only you will be able to protect your copyright.

As for the two East Indians, they are the only ones in the East Indian community who believe that Goans and Mangaloreans came to Bombay to do social work and charity.

They are the only two East Indians who claim that East Indians were originally Konkani speakers but at the same time both are not interested in learning the Konkani language.

The Marathis have condemned Konkani as, �...a branch of Marathi; it has neither script nor literature; it is not a language.�

The Aryans who migrated to India familiarized themselves in North India and established several languages based on the local influence.

Depending on their geographical dispersion you can categorize two distinct groups. Punjabi, Rajastani, Gujarati, and Hindi evolved from Prakrit of Magadha and Sindhi, Maithili, Assamese, Bengali originated from Shouraseni Prakrit.

Konkani belongs to the second group, and hence some scholars regard Bengali or Assamese as the mother of Konkani language

The original tribes of Goa were driven away into the hills; the present Goan population are Aryans, not tribal. This explains why the Goans have always been aggressive

Both these East Indians are most welcome to react to this mail in support of their anti-Vatican friend Lucio as they have been doing in the past

Lucio does not have any family he is a 45 year old bachelor and lives alone in one apartment in south Bombay the rent of which is paid by his Vatican-in-Exile Pope Michael
http://publicrights.blogspot.com
Below articles have been collected from various free sites (myspace, yahoo/google groups, wordpress, blogsites, geocities, etc). The articles don't have any copyright. Everybody is free to use the articles of this blog in their magazines, newspapers, research papers, etc.
http://timeslive.blogspot.com
A person by the name Lucio Mascarenhas who calls himself Christian Warrior (Lucio Mascarenhas, alias Lucius C�sar: Christian Warrior http://www.geocities.com/livrant) does not disclose on any of his websites his valid residential/office address or valid mobile number from which it is very clear he is not a warrior but a filthy coward. The filthy coward in some of his websites has written that Goans in Goa should fight to liberate Goa from Indian occupation but the filthy coward is himself hiding here in Bombay.

It would be idiotic for anybody to believe that the cowards real name is lucio mascarenhas and it would also be idiotic for anyone to believe that the coward has uploaded his own photograph at http://www.goanpatriot.blogspot.com.

The coward is smart enough to know that if he discloses his real name and real photograph it would be easier for his enemies and the Indian security agencies to track him down.

On one of his site he has written that he wants to setup his own domain but fears the Indian ISP will forward his registration details to Indian security agencies. This explains why the coward uploads his hate articles only on public sites.

Think twice before sending your email to the filthy coward. He will upload your private data from your emails onto his websites and make your private data into public data.

Along with his own invented data the coward has also accumulated data from various sources (newspapers, email data, magazines, internet, old govt. gazetteers, etc) and uploaded on his site (http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/michaelinum.html). What is even shameful is that he is claiming copyright for hate and communal articles.

The filthy coward who is 45 year old bachelor and operating with a fake name lucio mascarenhas does not have any family he lives alone in one apartment in Bombay the rent of which is most probably being paid by his Vatican in exile pope Michael. The image of his Vatican in exile pope Michael is on this link (http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/index.html). The filthy coward prays everyday that someday his vatican in exile pope Michael will rule Vatican and his pope michael will make him his secretary.

The filthy coward who operates with a fake name lucio mascarenhas has the following missions:

Creating enemity between Christians and Hindus.

Creating enemity between Catholics and Protestants.

Creating enemity between Christians and Muslims.

Installing his vatican in exile pope in Vatican.

As long as the coward who is operating with a fake name lucio mascarenhas does not discloses his valid residential/office address or valid mobile number on his websites till then we should all presume that he is not a warrior but a filthy coward.
Lúcio Mascarenhas, Baçaim, East Indies

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