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Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt33)
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
We Muslims know John the Baptist as Hazrut YAHYAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him). We revere him as a true prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Hazrut ISAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him), is also esteemed as one of the mightiest messenger of the Almighty. How can we Muslims impute lies to either of them? We leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for their "sacred scriptures" abound in discrepancies which they have been glossing over as the "dark sayings of Jesus"(15). We Muslims are really interested in the last questions posed to John the Baptist by the Jewish elite- "ART THOU THAT PROPHET? AND HE ANSWERED, NO." (John 1:21)
Starjade says: Don�t be such a softy if a lie is a lie then it is a lie no matter who said it so expose it if you must. And Moses was the greatest Prophet to have come to this earth and then there is me and then there is Mmm yes who ? It seems that Moses and Myself are two who are alike and none other is likened to us both. Now you call Jesus Holy but cannot explain why you view Jesus that way. Yet Jesus was being claimed by Blasphemous Jews as being that very prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is the same Prophet that Muhammad has claimed himself to be in case you forgot.
It seems that you Muslims are now on an esteeming of Jesus thingy and yet I fail to see just how that is evidence or proof of how Deuteronomy could prove Muhammad as being that prophet,. In fact you are advocating Jesus as being that prophet instead not after all you are well aware that Jesus has claimed himself to be that specific prophet aren�t you and so if Islam is Glorifying Jesus as being that prophet then that does leave mad Muhammad and Islam in a very dark place. And even though I shine a light on the subject it still leaves Islam pale hiding in the shade. And you do like to glorify Jesus don�t you. 11 chapters of the Koran glorify jesus and we all know that Jesus has claimed that he is that very prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and he made that claim long before Muhammad was even born. Hahaha so how can you then claim that Muhammad is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up eh. How can Islam explain that. In fact it cannot explain that away and that is the biggest errors existing in the Koran. In its text and in the word of mad yes well mad Muhammad the self appointed Prophet of Islam.
Too bad eh that the real Doomsday prophet turned up and showed the errors of your ways and exposed the Koran as the Arabs golden Calf. The fact that escapes you is that if Jesus is not that Prophet as you claim and John the Baptist certainly was not that prophet nor did he ever claim to be and I have outright proven that Mad Muhammad is not that prophet. Then the only Sherlockian conclusion you can draw from all that is that the real prophet must still be out there. Mmmm now I wonder just who might that be. 
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt34)
 Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
1. The Jews were expecting a single Messiah not two.
Starjade says: Oh so now you finally grasp that fact eh. Maybe we should out that statement in lights. Isn�t it a fact then that the Messiah is well known and without any doubt that very Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Isnt it a fact that the reason why those Christians call Jesus the Messiah is because Jesus claimed that he was that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up.
Isnt it also a fact that Muhammad has claimed that he alone is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And all others who claim to be that prophet from God must be put to death.
And isn�t it a fact that the reason why the Muslims do not call their idol Mad Muhammad by the name of Messiah is because they believed it to be some holy reference to one who they believed just claimed that he was the son of God. And in fact the ignorance of Muslims was such that they did not realise that the name Messiah is a reference to that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up and that Jesus had claimed that he was that specific prophet. And yet Muhammad also claimed that he was that Prophet and at long last finally the Muslims have awoken to the fact that the Living God said he would only raise up only one Prophet and so if Muhammad and Jesus are both claiming themselves to be that specific Prophet then one or both of them just has to be lying.
The fact is that Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming to be that very same Prophet and they both claim that Moses had writing about them in his Prophecies and they both claim that Isaiah had written about them in his Prophecies. Although they have differing tales the fact is that Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming themselves to be that very same Prophet that the Living God promises Moses he would raise up. But God only promised to raise up just one Prophet not two. So as Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming to be that very same Prophet then it is a fact that one or both of them must be lying. And that being logically true then that has some very serious repercussions amongst the Christian and Islamic world doesn�t it.
Now it is not my fault that my Revelations point these religious facts out to the congregations. I am just the one passing on that message for those matters need to be fully understood and I make no apologise for giving any man the illumination of religious enlightenment.
By the way these matters show the errors in the Koran are justified doesn�t it and totally irrefutable. You see it is not always about a written text some times its about Common sense isn�t it.
Starjades undisputed 21 errors existing in the Koran. www.geocities.com/end_of_...ytwo.html.
Verse 122: The 4th error in the text of the Koran is that it glorifies Jesus and does accept Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples claimed Jesus to be. The writers of the Koran seem blissfully unaware, as are many Muslims, that Jesus has claimed that he was that very Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. And Jesus claimed that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about him in their Prophecies, regarding the coming of the living God�s prophesied Prophet because that is who Jesus has claimed himself to be. The Koran contains highly revering text about Jesus and even describes miracles that Jesus was claimed to have performed, Sura 5:110. No less than 11 Chapters of the Koran out of its 114 Chapters mention Jesus and his teachings. So the Koran is confirming the status of Jesus as being that very Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. This is a very serious error from an Islamic point of view whose writers were unaware of the claims that Jesus had been making and of the reflection that claim would have upon the claims of their own Prophet Muhammad. Their glorification of Jesus in the Koran puts Muhammad in a very awkward position with his own proclamations from an Islamic point of view.
Verse 124: The 6th error in the text of the Koran is that it portrays the fact that the Muslims Prophet Muhammad believed in Jesus. In addition, that Muhammad believed that Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples had claimed him to be and that is why no less than 11 Chapters in the Koran are dedicated to Jesus, because Muhammad believed in Jesus. However, Muhammad was blissfully unaware that the Prophet that Jesus was claiming to be is that very Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. This shows some very serious errors not just in the Koran but also in the words and thoughts of Muhammad. In fact, the glorification of Jesus in the 11 Chapters of the Koran due to the beliefs of Muhammad shows that the Koran can be found to bear false witness on many accounts Verse 126: The 8th error in the text of the Koran is the fact that according to the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 Verse 15, which is a witness law designed to determine matters of the truth especially with regards to statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous or sinful. None of the Testimonies of Muhammad could ever be established as being true.
Muhammad does not have any witness Testimony to back up his claims; it is all just his own word as narrated by idolizing Muslims. According to Old Testament law if he alone bears witness to himself then his witness is not true. The Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 Verse 15, and history show that the claims of Muhammad and his followers are proven to not be true, they are guilty of blasphemy, which is a crime of iniquity and sin. So it is an error of the writers of the Koran to be promoting Muhammad as being that Prophet that the living God has promised Moses he would raise up, when Old Testament law which is God�s law and history says that he is not.
Verse 127: The 9th error in the text of the Koran is that Jesus and Muhammad were both claiming to be that very same Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up, as authenticated by this very same Angel Gabriel. Both Jesus and Muhammad claimed to fulfill the Prophecies of Moses and Isaiah. Muhammad claimed that the Angel Gabriel had told him that he was that prophesied Prophet and the disciples of Jesus made similar claims regarding their master Jesus. Muhammad was not aware that Jesus was claiming to be that same Prophet that Muhammad had believed himself to be, which is why 11 Chapters of the Koran have glorified Jesus.
God only promised to raise up one Prophet and history proves that it could not have been either Jesus or Muhammad. The writers of the Koran have made the error of religious ignorance as it promotes both Jesus and Muhammad in its text as if they were God�s Prophets, whiles they both claimed to be that very same Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. The Koran defies belief with its religious ignorance, especially whiles they claim that the text of the Koran is the actual word of the living God as brought to them by this Angel Gabriel. No Angel from God is going to come down and proclaim any frauds as being God�s prophesied Prophet, and certainly no Angel would tell two separate people that they are that same Prophet, no matter what anyone has written or whatever they may have dreamed.
Verse 129: The 11th error in the text of the Koran is in this claim that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about Muhammad in their Prophecies. This is not true. Moses and Isaiah did not mention Muhammad at all. Moses and Isaiah were both only speaking about that Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. History and the many prophesied Signs in the heavens and Muhammad�s own acts and deeds and Old Testament law which is God�s law shows that it is just not possible for Muhammad to have been that Prophet that Moses and Isaiah had been speaking about in their Prophecies. Which again shows an error in the claims regarding the proclamations of Muhammad.?
Verse 134: The 16th error in the text of the Koran is in its promotion of Muhammad as being that very Prophet that the living God has promised Moses he would raise up. This long awaited Prophet was prophesied to gather up all the descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the globe. Muhammad made no attempt to do that and during the Time that Muhammad had lived, the descendants of Abraham were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. So Muhammad was not in any position historically to fulfill the living God�s Prophecy and gather up anyone. That scattering of the descendants of Abraham worldwide only occurred during the world wars of the 19th century long after Muhammad had died, and it is only now in these centuries that it has been possible to communicate with people worldwide around the globe due to much technological advancement. Such communications during the days of Muhammad would have been impossible.
Starjade says: Well the Prophecy that was given to the Jews said that the Living God had promised Moses he would raise up and that this Prophet would gather up all the Jews from the Four corners of the Globe and lead them all to a New promised land. This was said to occur at a Time when just as it was in the Days of Noah a great cataclysm would strike this earth causing extinction of the species.
Now you�re the one bragging that Muhammad was fulfilling the Prophecies of Moses and Isaiah. So how come then that Mad Muhammad has not made any claim to those other Prophecies of Isaiah with regards to the coming of the Chosen one. Did they just slip his mind.
Isaiah Ch 11 v 11: And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnants of his people which shall be l;eft, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands, of the Sea.
Isaiah Ch 11 v 12: And he shall set upon an ensign for the nations and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the Globe.
Now why did neither Jesus or Muhammad fulfill that Prophecy. It is clear that this is something that the Living God has said that the Prophet that he promised Moses he would raise up would gather up those Jews from the four corners of the globe and he would lead them all to a new promised land.
(  which by the way will arrive in the South Eastern Atlantic Basin next to Africa in that Apocalyptic Future)
It is a fact that at the Times when jesus and muhammad lived. The Jews were not then scattered to those four corners of the globe. So it is a fact that it is impossible for Jesus and muhammad to have fulfilled that prophecy made by the Living God.
And it is true this Prophecy has been fulfilled for that Doomsday Prophet Starjade has come giving out those apocalyptic details to those Jews with a view to an Exodus from the Four corners of the Globe. And I have led those Jews to a New promised Land which will be in the South Eastern Atlantic basin next to Africa in that Apocalyptic Future proving beyond any doubt that my word is true and I was and have and did speak in the Name of the Living God and truly as I speak of Grave situations then you should hearken to the words that I have proven, do speak in the name of the Living God.
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 Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt35)
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
2. See the "TIMES" Magazine December 30th, 1974, article "How true is the Bible?" And also see "50,000 Errors in the Bible?" a reproduction from the Christian Magazine "AWAKE!" September 8, 1957. Three Questions! Please note that three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic "NO'S" as answers. To recapitulate:- 1) ART THOU THE CHRIST? 2) ART THOU ELIAS? 3) ART THOU THAT PROPHET? But the learned men of Christendom somehow only see two questions implied here.
Starjade says: Well salaudinnynj it seems you are lost here or did as I once did and not fully read all that I was downloading of the Internet. Its easy done isn�t it. I am sure you would agree salaudinnynj that this text does not show that Muhammad was that Prophet that he claimed himself to be. In fact this is really all about Jesus. Tsk tsk tsk. It is all the more annoying for me as I already was taught the religion of Isalm by Islamic experts and they could not produce any proof for Muhammad either so you certainly cannot for they in religious knowledge were impressive and you to them are a mere Novice. (no insult intented)
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt36)
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
To make doubly clear that the Jews definitely had T-H-R-E-E separate prophecies in their minds when they were interrogating John the Baptist, let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following:
"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE a) NOT THAT CHRIST, b) NOR ELIAS, c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?" (John 1:25)
The Jews were waiting for the fulfilment of THREE distinct prophecies: One, the coming of CHRIST. Two the coming of ELIAS, and Three, the coming of THAT PROPHET.
Starjade says: Actually the Jews were waiting for the fulfilment of just one Prophecy. Gods Prophecy: The Prophecy of the End of Times when the prophet that the Living God promises Moses he would raise up would arrive on this Planet.
These other statements you are making are simply the beliefs of Christians not Jews. There is a difference. And the Christ is a Mushroom that grew upon the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. And it has been here for a long Time.
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt37)
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
"That Prophet" If we look up any Bible which has a concordance or cross-references, the we will find in the marginal note where the words "the Prophet", or "that Prophet" occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. And that 'that prophet' - 'the prophet like Moses' - "LIKE UNTO THEE", we have proved through overwhelming evidence that he was MUHUMMED and not Jesus!
Starjade says: there was no doubt that the Prophet we are speaking about is specifically that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
It has already been proven to be a fact that Muhammad of the Muslims could not possibly have been that prophet. In fact there is some question as to the Prophetic abilites of Muhammad and certainly his questionable reply to that apocalyptic Cataclysm that the Living God said would happen on this earth. Muhammad was not likened to Moses. He just claims that he was and has idolator who are seemingly Gay in their inspiration to boost up the Ego of Muhammad without actually showing any proof for their claims.
salaudinnynj you say:
We Muslims are not denying that Jesus was the "Messiah", which word is translated as "Christ".1 We are not contesting the "thousand and one prophecies" which the Christians claim abound in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of the Messiah. What we say is that Deuteronomy 18:18 does NOT refer to Jesus Christ but it is an explicit prophecy about the Holy Prophet MUHUMMED!"
Starjade says: No the Christ is not the Messiah. The Christ is the Amanita Muscaria a sacred Mushroom and Key to Heaven and hell. It grew upon the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden although I have no doubt the concepts of what I am saying will be too deep for you.
So Jesus is not the Christ nor could Jesus ever be the Christ. The name Messiah is a reference to that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Jesus was not that Prophet and neither was Muhammad. What was said in Deuteronomy Ch 18 v18 is all about the Prophesied Prophet and nobody knew who that Prophet would be and so it is not possible for those people to put any names to who that Prophet was.
But those who followed and tried to fulfil that Prophecy they are the ones claiming their false prophets to be that Prophet without any kind of proof at all. And be sure I have found you all out haven�t I.
salaudinnynj you say:
The dominee, very politely parted with me by saying that it was a very interesting discussion and he would like me very much to come one day and address his congregation on the subject. A decade and half has passed since then but I am still awaiting that privilege. I believe the dominee was sincere when he made the offer, but prejudices die hard and who would like to loose his sheep?
Starjade says: Oh how very sweet and graphic. I think you forget this Dominee thingy was a Christian whose religion existed before your did and in his religion Jesus is that Prophet that you are claiming Muhammad to be and so clearly then you are the one who flew too far over the cuckoos nest with your opinions and theories. Why not try and produce some fact the next Time you try and convince someone of that religious lie that you believe in. Bearing in mind always the Immortal words of the Much loved Starjade Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 and Sura 4:82.
Shirker salaudinnynj you say: 1. How the word Messiah was transmuted to Christ?. See "Christ in Islam" The Acid Test To the lambs of Christ I say, why not apply that acid test which the Master himself wanted you to apply to any would be claimant to prophethood? He had said: "BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. DO MEN GATHER GRAPES FROM THE THORNS, OR FIGS FROM THE THISTLES? EVERY GOOD TREE WILL BEAR GOOD FRUIT AND EVERY EVIL TREE WILL BEAR EVIL FRUIT....BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. (Matthew 7:16-20).
Starjade says: The Jews of those Times had heard of the Christ mushroom but they did not know what it was. As a matter of fact I also am a Mushroom Picker and they are in season and I am off out to gather up those fruits. So if there is a silence in my replies I may be on a moor someplace or someplace else picking those fruits of the Garden just as God intended.
I laugh nay lad I scoff at all you peasant pretentious false Prophet worshipper and your delusions on how to prove that you are a Prophet. Try giving a Prophecy of the future that does come true and make sure that two or three witnesses are aware of that Prophecy. You see the Jews have this thing called Jewish law brought to them by another proven Prophet called Moses. This law is Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. It is a two or three witness law that determines matters of the truth and any Prophet from God could satisfy that law and prove that he is a Prophet. Now doesn�t that seem the more sensible approach. In fact the ole thorn bush nettle theory that you claim is not evidence that a person is a Prophet from God at all. You are forgetting that you are a worshipper of a false Prophet called Muhammad. So what would you know about such things. You are even here thinking in delusion that you can defend Mad Muhammad and yet you could not.
So the acid test theory is thrown out the door and not acceptable. We don�t want lunatics like Mad Muhammad coming along saing hey I am a really nice guy so believe I am a Prophet from God. I have a better idea get your sad losers to prove they are a Prophet from God and then we have a religious law saying that we must believe. And we are bound then to follow the advice of religious law .
salaudinnynj you say:
Why are you afraid to apply this test to the teachings of Muhammad? You will find in the Last Testament of God - the Holy Qur'an - the true fulfilment of the teachings of Moses and Jesus which will bring to the world the much-needed peace and happiness.
Starjade says: There is a Sura 4:82 in the Koran that says: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. Tell me now and we shall test Mad Muhammad tell me now and do not shirk. Do these errors exist in the Koran.
Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all" .
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him."
Come on now This offer is open to all Muslims not just to that Shirker salaudinnynj. This is the Acid Test for Islam Sura 4:82 now tell me do those errors exist in the Koran and when you reply if you ever do then remind yourself that if just one error is found in the Koran then the Koran did not come from God as Muhammad has claimed. And that means Muhammad is proven to be a liar and fraud. And in fact as I have named over 50 errors then it is clear the acid test of Islam proved that Muhammad is not that Prophet that he has claimed himself to be.
salaudinnynj you say: "IF A MAN LIKE MOHAMED WERE TO ASSUME THE DIC TATORSHIP OF THE MODERN WORLD, HE WOULD SUCCEED IN SOLVING ITS PROBLEMS THAT WOULD BRING IT THE MUCH NEEDED PEACE AND HAPPINESS."
(George Bernard Shaw)
Starjade says: And as for this Muhammad being the Dictator. I think we had enough of Hitler don�t you, without creating another one. And have you ever looked around the world or seen the News. We all see Islamic countries and we in the west are not impressed. They are brutal savage regimes not surprising for false Prophet worshippers. And asylum seekers are mainly Muslims who are trying to get away from Islamic run countries.
salaudinnynj you say:
The Greatest! The Weekly Newsmagazine "TIME" dated July 15, 1974, carried a selection of opinions by various historians, writers, military men, businessmen and others on the subject: "Who Were History's Great Leaders?" Some said that it was Hitler; others said - Gandhi, Buddha, Lincoln and the like. But Jules Masserman, a United States psychoanalyst put the standards straight by giving the correct criteria wherewith to judge. He said: "LEADERS MUST FULFIL THREE FUNCTIONS:-
(1) Provide for the well-being of the led, (2) Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure and (3) Provide them with one set of beliefs."[/font] Starjade says: (cough) erm escuse me but I am still waiting to see the evidence you claimed you had that proved that Muhammad was that prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. try giving us details of his so claimed many prophecies as you are shy to not give that information up as evidence first. Instead you are Blabberwocking. You name Hitler with the Buddha ( you mean Siddhata Guatama ) the founder of Buddhism. And I think that the Living God prefers that people have a faith than a belief. I produced facts to prove that I am a Prophet who does have a connection to the Living God and so the matter can be verified. That is showing facts and not causing anyone that empty frustration of a shallow optimism called belief. You Muslims believed in Muhammad and yet he is proven to be a fraud. That is how useless belief is. I am a seeing is believing kind of a Guy and so as I have a scientific mind then I want fact not suppositions. Show me the truth in a way I can see and not throw in shadows saying of well heres the story so now believe in it.
salaudinnynj you say:
the above three criteria he searches history and analyses - Hitler, Pasteur, Gaesar, Moses, Confucius and the lot, and ultimately concludes: "PEOPLE LIKE PASTEUR AND SALK ARE LEADERS IN THE FIRST SENSE. PEOPLE LIKE GANDHI AND CONFUCIUS, ON ONE HAND, AND ALEXANDER, CAESAR AND HITLER ON THE OTHER, ARE LEADERS IN THE SECOND AND PERHAPS THE THIRD SENSE. JESUS AND BUDDHA BELONG IN THE THIRD CATEGORY ALONE. PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MOHAMMED, WHO COMBINED ALL THREE FUNCTIONS. To a lesser degree, MOSES DID THE SAME."
Starjade says: Oh I don�t know President Clinton got that Berlin wall knocked down doesn�t he deserve a mention. What about Santa and his Salvation Army and tinker belle or what about Elvis. Is this the place for idolisation or was this supposed to be evidence that Muhammad was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. I prefer actual evidence and not Oh hes a nice guy so lets make him a Prophet from God. Sura 4:82 Muhammad is proven a liar and fraud and so he has misled the congregations into Blasphemy and death. To this day many Die in the name of Islam whiles glorifying the name of Muhammad and Muhammad is easily proven to be a fraud but shirkers like you do exist.
And by the way the greatest leader to have ever lived was in fact Moses and if that apocalyptic Exodus took place even I would surpass him. Too bad religious law says the Blasphemous must be stoned to death. That does sort of bind me.
salaudinnynj you say:
According to the objective standards set by the Professor of the Chicago University, whom I believe to be Jewish, - JESUS and BUDDHA are now - here in the picture of the "Great Leaders of Mankind", but by a queer coincidence groups Moses and Muhummed together thus adding further weight to the argument that JESUS is not like MOSES, but MUHUMMED is like MOSES: Deut.18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" - Like MOSES!
Starjade says: So you as a Muslim make claims that your already proven false Prophet Mad Muhammad is likened to Moses and you claim that Jesus was not. But you are an idolator of Muhammad and so you Muslims do bend over fore wards in your idolisation. You Muslims have that Elvis fever don�t you and so you are bias and proven deceiver of men. When you claimed that Muhammad was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up you said you have evidence and yet you have shown me no Prophecies or miracles all you have done is boost the ego of a proven false prophet.
Moses proved that he was a True Prophet. And I have proven that Mad Muhammad is a false prophet and so mad Muhammad is nothing at all like Moses despite your silly claims. Now watch that tongue now or a Sura 4:82 will be slung at you along with more errors found in the Koran.
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt38)
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
Reverend James L. Dow in Collins Dictionary of the Bible gives further proof, that JESUS is not like MOSES, but MUHUMMED is like Moses: "AS A STATESMAN AND LAWGIVER MOSES IS THE CREATOR OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE. HE FOUND A LOOSE CONGLOMERATION OF SEMITIC PEOPLE, NONE OF ......
Starjade says:
So you think by saying this rev has proof which we have not seen then that to you is evidence that your mad prophet Muhammad was that Prophet god promised Moses he would raise up eh; Well that is not proof then is it or evidence it is just a look that man said so again.
salaudinnynj you say:
*Also in "THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF RELIGION", Moses is looked upon in the different traditions. Under Moses in Islam; we read
"MOSES IS HIGHLY REGARDED IN ISLAM AS THE GREAT PROPHET WHO FORETOLD THE COMING OF MUHAMMAD, HIS SUCCESSOR...THERE IS MUCH IN THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD THAT IS IMPLICITLY REMINISCENT OF THE MOSES TRADITION.
Starjade says: You said that in the beginning and said you could prove it (but you could not.)
Let us see if Muhamma is that great a prophet that he has claimed himself to be eh. Sura 4:82 says do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
So tell me now and do not shirk do these errors exist in the Koran.
Lust is condemned in sura 79:40-41, yet in sura 4:24-25 Allah permits polygamy, divorce, and the use of female slaves as concubines (one needs to ask why a man needs a concubine if not to satisfy his lust). Furthermore, for those who are faithful lust is the primary, and unlimited reward in heaven (suras 55:46-78; 56:11-39). Surely if lust is wrong on earth and hateful to a Holy God, it cannot be pleasing to him in paradise.
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
Starjade continues: Now come on do not shirk this is open to any Muslim. Does these errors exist in the Koran. Remind yourself that according to Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 if one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. We already have proven that the Koran did not come from God and so why not have a backbone and come online and say wether or not those errors exist in your Koran.
salaudinnynj you say:
P121, THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF RELIGION, Mircea Eliade (EDITOR IN CHIEF) Volume 10, Macmillean Publishing Company In conclusion, I end with a quotation of a Christian Reverend the commentator of the Bible, followed by that of his Master: "THE ULTIMATE CRITERION OF A TRUE PROPHET IS THE MORAL CHARACTER OF HIS TEACHING."(Prof. Dummelow.) "BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM." (Jesus Christ) COME LET US REASON TOGETHER
Starjade says: I know of a 20 yrs Christian ordained Minister the Bruce Evans Murch who came on a forum I was writing on doing a lot of bragging of how he was going to put the much loved Starjade in his place. Ole Brucy Murch considered some of the things that I have said as taboo and blasphemous and the ole Bruce Evans Murch said he was just the man to put me in my place.
But he did not back his mouth up when I showed him my evidence. Ole Bruce Evans Murch the Christian ordained Minister of 20 yrs ran away and shirked and now he sits with his head in the sand haunted by the thought and those Revelations of the Much loved Starjade. So I am not going to be getting all impressed at any Titles that you mention to me. Especially as mine own is that of a Lord King a King of Kings.
There is a big difference between what a person knows and what they have been led to believe and so he may be ordained and a Christian priest or what ever. The point is if they are false Prophet worshippers then why would you be the fool who took their advice.
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt39)
salaudinnynj you say:
SAY:"O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK! COME TO COMMON TERMS AS BETWEEN US AND YOU: THAT WE WORSHIP NONE BUT GOD; THAT WE ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS WITH HIM; THAT WE ERECT NOT, FROM AMONG OURSELVES, LORDS AND PATRONS OTHER THAN GOD." IF THEN THEY TURN BACK, SAY:"BEAR WITNESS THAT WE (AT LEAST) ARE MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL).
Starjade says: You are false Prophet worshippers and do not bow to Gods will. You stand against Gods will and will even kill and murder Gods Prophets and chosen people. As Muslims you deny and ignore the Laws of the Old testament which are Gods laws. And instead you worship the false Prophet mad Muhammad the proven false prophet of Islam.
salaudinnynj you say:(SURA AL-I-'IMRAN) Holy Qur'an 3:64
"PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" is the respectful title given to the Jews and the Christians in the Holy Qur'an. The Muslims is here commanded to invite - "O People of the Book!" - O Learned People! O People who claim to be the recipients of Divine Revelation, of a Holy Scripture; let us gather together onto a common platform - "that we worship none but God", because none but God is worthy of worship, not because "THE LORD THY GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION OF THEM THAT HATE ME."
Starjade says: I fail to see how this ranting of yours is any evidence that Muhammad was that prophet as prophesied in Deuteronomy. And the Koran is a book but not something holy and the flaws within that book prove that the Koran did not come from God.
salaudinnynj you say: (Exodus 20:25). But because He is our Lord and Cherisher, our Sustainer and Evolver, worthy of all praise, prayer and devotion.
In the abstract the Jews and the Christians would agree to all the three propositions contained in this Qur'anic verse. In practice they fail. Apart from doctrinal lapses from the unity of the One True God, (ALLAH Subhanahu wa ta-ala) there is the question of a consecrated Priesthood (among the Jews it was hereditary also), as if a mere human being - Cohen or Pope, or Priest, or Brahman, - could claim superiority apart from his learning and the purity of his life, or could stand between man and God in some special sense. ISLAM DOES NOT RECOGNISE PRIESTHOOD!
Starjade says: I recall when the Pope made his tour of the Middle east. I saw Muslims bow down to the Pope and call him your holiness. Equally I see Muslims Bow down to Mad Muhammad and call a book of paper holy when the words in that paper are not sent from God. So all this Propagnda bull dumping is not suitable here. Try instead to actual find some real prophecies of Mad Muhammads that can be verified as being true. So far you have avoided showing us Muhammads Prophecies. Oh do tell what did Mad Muhammad say about the apocalypse. Isnt it true that mad Muhammad said it would get very dark hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
salaudinnynj you say: The Creed of Islam is given to us here in a nutshell from Holy Qur'an:
Say ye: "We believe in Allah, And the revelation given to us, And to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, And that given to Moses and Jesus And that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference Between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
Starjade says: I note that you place the name jesus by Moses and not Muhammad. Here is the creed of Islam in a nut shell.
Sura 4: 82. Do they not consider the Koran with care for had it came from any other than Alllah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.
Now tell me do these errors exist in the Koran come on now follow the creed of Islam and answer me do these errors exist in the Koran.
Alexander the Great
In sura 18:83-100 we find the story of Dhu al Qarnayn, who is known as the Greek conqueror, Alexander the Great. According to this sura, his power was given to him by Allah (aya 84), which some Muslims contend is an assertion that he had the same prominence as a prophet. But of even more importance to our discussion is the contention, according to this sura, that he was credited with building an enormous wall of iron and brass between two mountains, which was tall enough and wide enough to keep an entire army out (aya 96).
It is simple to test these claims because Alexander lived in the full light of history. Arrian, Quintus Curtius and other historians of repute have written the history of Alexander's exploits. From their writings we know that Aristotle was his tutor. Yet, these historians equivocally make him out as a heathen general whose debauchery and drunkenness contributed to his untimely death at the early age of 33. They show that he was an idolater, and actually claimed to be the son of the Egyptian god Amun. How, therefore, could he be considered to have the same prominence as a prophet, or even, as aya 84 clearly asserts, that Allah was the agent for his power?
Yet, what is even more troubling, there is no historical evidence anywhere that he built a wall of iron and brass between two mountains, a feat which, indeed, would have proven him to be one of the greatest builders or engineers in the history of mankind.
When we find the Qur'an so inaccurate in regard to Alexander, whose history is well known, we hesitate to accept as valuable or even as reliable the statements of the Qur'an about other matters of past history.
I3vii: Creation
Sura 86:5-7 tells us that man is created from a gushing fluid that issues from between the loins and the ribs. Therefore, in this sura we find that the semen which creates a child originates from the back or kidney of the male and not the testicles.
I3viii: Pharaoh's Cross
In sura 7:124 we find Pharoah admonishing his sorcerers because they believe in the superiority of Moses's power over theirs. Pharoah threatens them with cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, and then says they will all die on the cross. But their were no crosses in those days. Crucifixion was first practised by the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians and then borrowed extensively by the Romans close to the time of Christ, 1700 years after Pharaoh!
Starjade concludes: The Creed of islam is based on a lie and hidden by a lie and shirked whenever that lie is exposed. As can be seen by example of that Shirker salaudinnynj.
Shirker salaudinnynj. you said:
(SURA BAQARA) Holy Qur'an 2:136.
The Muslim position is clear. The Muslim does not claim to have a religion peculiar to himself. Islam is not a sect or an ethnic religion. In its view all Religion is one, for the Truth is one. IT WAS THE SAME RELIGION PREACHED BY ALL THE EARLIER PROPHETS. (Holy Qur'an 42:13). It was the truth taught by all the inspired Books. In essence it amounts to a consciousness of the Will and Plan of God and a joyful submission to that Will and Plan. IF ANYONE WANTS A RELIGION OTHER THAN THAT, HE IS FALSE TO HIS OWN NATURE, AS HE IS FALSE TO GOD'S WILL AND PLAN. Such a one cannot expect guidance, for he has deliberately renounced guidance.
Starjade says. Islam has been proven to be a false doctrine full of errors and mad Muhammad has been outright proven to be a liar and a fraud and the Koran is so full of errors it is embarrising for Islam for the sura 4:82 says: That if one error just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Mad Muhammad has claimed. Now tell me now and do not shirk. Do these errors exist in the Koran come on do not be shy or a shirker tell me do those errors exist in the Koran and if they do then remind yourself that the Koran did not come from God and that Muhammad is proven to be a liar and afraud. And islam is an insult in the eyes of the Living God and you grunts do not even have the integrity to admit it.
I4i: Man's Greatness
Sura 4:59 states,"Greater surely than the creation of man is the creation of the heavens and the earth; but most men know it not." This implies that greatness is only measured by size; that the mere vastness of the physical universe make it greater than man, an argument which would make a football of immensely greater value than the largest diamond. Our *****ure tells us that Man's greatness lies not in his size, but in his relationship with God, that he is made in God's image, a claim which no other animate or inanimate object can make.
People become apes
In suras 2:65-66 and 7:163-167, Allah turns certain fishing people who break the Jewish sabbath into apes for their disobedience. Had Darwin read the Qur'an, his theory on evolution may have parallelled "Planet of the Apes" rather then the other way around.
I4vii: Sodom & Gomorrah turned upside-down
In suras 11:81-83; 15:74 the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are turned upside-down and rained upon with clay-like brimstone, upon whose surface were marked the destiny of the wicked people who lived there.
I4viii: Jacob's Smell & Sight:
In sura 12:93-96 Joseph sends his coat to his father as proof of his existence. But as the caravan leaves Egypt, Jacob, who is in Canaan smells Joseph, who is hundreds of miles away (aya 94). Then the coat, when it arrives, is placed over the face of his father Jacob and suddenly he receives his sight. Now we know why Andrew Lloyd Weber added the word "amazing" to the title of his musical, "Joseph's Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat."
I4ix: Night/Day/Sun/Moon are subject to man:
In sura 16:12-15 the day and night as well as the Sun and Moon are surprisingly all made subject to man. That would imply that we had control over the rotation of our planet, as well as the entire movement of our solar system (Yusuf Ali's explanation of this odd pronouncement in note no.2031 is rather interesting).
I5: Grammatical Errors
Muslims believe that since the Qur'an is the Word of God, it is without error in all areas. We have already dealt with the questions concerning the style and literary qualities of the Qur'an earlier, and found it to be quite defective in those areas. Yet, even more troubling are the grammatical mistakes which exist within its text. Can we expect an omnipotent and omniscient God to allow such deficiencies to creep into his supposedly 'perfect' and eternal revelation? Consider the following:
1.In sura 2:177, the word Sabireen should be Sabiroon because of its position in the sentence (since it is a human plural, it should remain in the masculine plural form?).
2.In sura 7:160, the phrase "We divided them into twelve tribes," is written in the feminine plural: Uthnati Ashrat Asbaataan. Due to the fact that it refers to a number of people, it should be written in the masculine plural form: Uthaiy Ashara Sibtaan, as all human plurals are automatically male in Arabic.
3.In sura 4:162, the phrase "And (especially) those who establish regular prayer..." is written as al Muqiyhina al salaat, which again is in the feminine plural form, instead of the masculine plural: al Muqiyhuna al salaat (?). It is important to note that the two following phrases, "(those who) practice regular charity, and (those who) believe in Allah..." are both correctly written in the masculine human plural form.
4.In sura 5:69, the title al Sabioon, referring to the Sabians, should be written al Sabieen.
5.In sura 63:10, the phrase "I shall be" is written akun (which is in the 3rd person?). Yet since this word refers to the future (& is in the 1st person) it should be written akunu.
6.In sura 3:59, the words Kun feekunu should be written, Kun fakaana.
There are other grammatical errors which exist in the Qur'an as well, such as: suras 2:192; 13:28; 20:66 and the duals which replace the plurals in sura 55.
If we are still in doubt as to whether the Qur'an is subject to error, it might be helpful end this section by quoting a Muslim scholar, who, himself, comments on this very problem concerning grammatical mistakes in the Qur'an:
"The Qur'an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects... To sum up, more than one hundred Qur'anic aberrations from the normal rules and structure of Arabic have been noted."
Starjade concludes: Well come on salaudinnynj you are the one who put up your beliefs to question now come online and say do those errors exist in the Koran or not. Do not tell lies as others will come along and they will think and they will check on what is said. So come online and say if those errors exist in the Koran. Remind yourself that if just one errors exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. The Sura 4:82 says that.
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades Conclusion.
salaudinnynj you say:
now starjade and iris the quoters of old and new test.it is established without a doubt muhammed was the amn who was froetold in deut and in new test to come.nextttttttttt
Starjade says: As a matter of fact salaudinnynj I have outright proven that Mad Muhammad is a fraud and that the Koran did not come from God. It is very clear that the Koran did not come from God and mad Muhammad the self appointed Prophet of islam is proven to not be that prophet that was foretold in Deuteronomy in fact Muhammad is not proven to be Gods prophet at all.
You lost in your deception and yet as usual the Doomsday prophet the Lord King King of Kings Starjade is still standing very tall.
It is clear that I am the King of this apocalyptic Castle from Now and beyond the End of Times and your religious Preachers really are defenceless against my religious knowledge and God given Revelations.
Warn your Imamas about me for they would not be the wise to stand in my way. It is clear that I can and would eat them for breakfast.
Now this just leaves me only one thing left to say:
Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb and Islam bites the dust.
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Re: Islam has fallen. Starjades Conclusion.
Dumb dumb and dumberer.
Starjade, we are all jaded with your stellar posts.
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Islam bites the Dust....
 I have just been editing out some spelling mistakes. And whiles reading I realised I forgot to mention a few more things. Like for instance this ramaddam a ding dong thingy. Wasn�t that an Islamic festival and invented by Muhammad. Eh ? So how come Mad Muhammad was in the Cave being given a good squeeze during that Time period as claimed. It just sounded very Odd.
Anyway it was this example that I wanted to say something about.
The Shirker salaudinnynj you said in Pt 20: History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:
Starjade says: Trust me on this there is no such thing as an (Archangel) called Gabriel anywhere in the Holy Bible. It does not exist. Not in the Old Testament and it does not exist in the New Testament. There is no such thing as the (ARCH) angel Gabriel. That is a name of Roman Catholic invention and it is not mentioned at all in any Holy Bible. This was an name given in roman Catholic circles whiles they are adulating Gabriel. But the Christians new Testament only calls Gabriel and angel. Not an Archangel as the Muslim has claimed. And Gabriel originated in a dream that Daniel had had whiles in a deep sleep. At no Time did Daniel say that this Gabriel was an angel. It is a fact that Daniel did in fact describe only a man. It was the Christians who invented Gabriel as being an angel sent to authenticate the birth of their Master Jesus and of john the Baptist. But hahahaha there is no such thing as an (arch) angel Gabriel.
But well we all know how those Muslims and Christians all like to live in their delusions. And so Now Muslims have promoted Gabriel as being an ARCHANGEL instead of being called and angel Gabriel or worse the Man Gabriel that had originated as a Dream that Daniel had once dreamed up whiles in a deep sleep. I suggest you Muslims get a religious education eh. Try reading the Doomsday prophets Starjades Revelations about the origin of the Arch Angel Gabriel. It is a good read. The most enlightening peice of religious literiture ever written.
www.geocities.com/end_of_...briel.html
As for the rest of Islam hahaha I am thinking about you false Prophet worshippers. There is a law in Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will (cough) then be discussed (unless it has been shirked) and whatever is found to be true is accepted as being true. And whatever is proven to be false must be rejected as being false.
Starjade says: Now I have already said that Muhammad is not the Prophet that he has claimed himself to be and be sure that neither is Jesus who Muhammad (cough) also believed was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
I have proven these matters and that Jesus and Muhammad are frauds and so the followers of Islam who read these words which do exists also in other forums. The followers of Islam are bound by their own Islamic law to convert.
It is the wise for if you do not then you are openly giving your adulations and worships in the followings of a proven false Prophet who clearly is presumptuous to think that he could speak in Gods name. And in your worship of that false Prophet and the God of that false Porphets imagination then you are worshipping just a God of that false Prophets imaginations and that false Prophets ideals of what he wanted his God to be like. And that then is false God worshipping which in the eyes of the Living god is a terrible blasphemy. You all know that the words I speak are true.
Now it is like I have said so often when the fools folly and try and stand against religious laws.
Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb and Islam bites the dust.
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And Islams shame fell down to Silence.
The Sound of Silence (P. Simon, 1964)
Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.
"Fools" said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of silence
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls."
And whisper'd in the sounds of silence.
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