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starjade
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 The Lord King Starjade says: (pt 16)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
Heavenly Abode (8) "Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven. Is this true?" The dominee agreed. I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses." 1. For a full exposition of this topic, see "CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION?".

Starjade says: Well now the Christian claim that the Body of Jesus is buried someplace. But there is no actual evidence that Jesus has ever even existed. As the Christians all claim and believe that Jesus is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and as Muhammad claimed Jesus was the Prophet that jesus claimed himself to be and the Koran glorifies Jesus then how can you say they are all wrong with just this very shallow explanation. Moses was cast out into the desert and suffered the pains of the elemental forces of nature of Intense heat and cold. All real prophet are destined to suffer horribly in some way or other due to the evil existing on this earth. But in death all souls pass beyond the Veil of the Abyss and so in death all leave this Planet no matter how they have died. So then we are all like Moses in that sense that we die and leave this Planet.

But you of course as are other Muslims are trying to prove that Jesus is not like Moses because you know that Jesus has claimed that he is that very Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. The Koran and Mad Muhammad both believe and proclaim Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be but now you are here trying to dispute that because you know that mad Muhammad has since claimed that only he alone is that prophet.

That shows the 4th error existing in the Koran as written by the Lord King starjade is so very true isn�t it and that is why those 21 errors in the Koran remain undisputed and Shirked by Cowardly shirker Muslims who are afraid of the truth whiles they busy themselves spreading their lies. Which have been uncovered. You must be so very desperate And trust me I have seen folk like you come and go and so I know still in the end you will have to face that reality that you are mistaken. Do you want me to show you more errors in the Koran to prove that point eh. :music

Edited by: starjade at: 9/11/04 2:24 pm
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Reply 		The Lord King King of kings Starjade says: (pt 17)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
CHAPTER THREE Further Proofs Ishmael The First Born Since the dominee was helplessly agreeing with every point, I said, "Dominee, so far what I have done is to prove only one point out of the whole prophecy- that is proving the phrase 'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' - 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the Arabs. You see, the Holy Bible speaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham1 called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and seed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, who was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Starjade says: As a matter of fact Mad Muhammad is a proven liar and a fraud. The sura 4:82 says if one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Muhammad and the Muslims claim. Now tell me the truth and do not shirk do these three errors exist in the Koran and remind yourself that if any error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from god as Muhammad has claimed. That in turn proves that the word of Muhammad is not trustworthy and in fact he is caught out in a lie. Now answer me do these errors exist in the Koran stop shirking and reply. You just know that other Muslims will be looking these matters up and worse is that the Christians will look those errors up and even worse the Jews will look those errors up and lo and behold you statements about mad Muhammad are useless for Muhammad will be always proven to be a liar and a fraud.

Errors found in the Koran.
I3i: Ishmael The descendence of Ishmael by all Arabs is in doubt within the secular world, since historically the first father of the Arabs was Qahtan or Joktan (see Genesis 10:25-30). Some of his sons names are still found in geographical locations in Arabia today, such as Sheba, Hazarmaveth, Ophir, and Havilah. Abraham's nephew Lot would be another ancestor to the Arabs via the Moabites and Ammonites (Genesis 24); as would Jacob's twin brother Esau, and the six sons of Abraham's third wife Keturah. Yet they are not even mentioned as ancestors to the Arabs in the Qur'an.

23.Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

24. How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].

58. Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation. Presented by Dr. N.V.K. Ashraf

Starjade Revelations continues: that is proving the phrase 'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' - 'Like Moses'.

Starjade says: As a matter of fact there is only one person in the whole of eternity who is truly likened to Moses. Moses is renowned to Exodussing the Jews out of Egypt. He was the only prophet in existence to have ever Exodussed those jews. The prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up was prophesied to gather up all those Jews from the four corners of the Globe and lead them all to a new promised Land. So really the only Prophet likened to Moses is that prophet that God had promised Moses he would raise up.

In 1995 when all those Many signs in the heavens occurred in conjunction with each other. www.geocities.com/end_of_...erfour.htm I ordered a mass Exodus of Jews world wide from the four corners of the Globe. And I have led those Jews to a new promised Land which will arrive in the south eastern Atlantic basin next to Africa in that Apocalyptic future. I have given all those apocalyptic details to the International order of Kabbalists of 25 Circle Garden Merton Park London. They published in their 1995 issue of the Kabbalist magazine some exerts of my writing so these matters can be proven to be true and I have photocopies of many of those letters. www.geocities.com/end_of_...rthree.htm And my intent on that Exodus was very well planned all the way to building the Third Temple as a Biosphere for those Jews to Live in. To prove to those Jews that I was that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up I used the Old testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 which is a Jewish law that is designed to determine matters of the truth. That law can prove for a fact that I am a genuine Prophet who can be proven to have a true connection to the Living God. www.geocities.com/end_of_...tertwo.htm

And you have all heard me speak and seen what I have written be sure I am very much likened to Moses and I truly am the King of this apocalyptic castle and Jesus and Muhammad pale in comparison. I am the only Prophet in the whole of eternity who has just as big a balls as Muhammad and I took that bull by the horns and none of you see me backing off. Yes one person in existence truly is likened to Moses and I am the only other Prophet from God in existnce with a plan to mass exodus those Jews. And you can all be sure I was not making any request of the Jews or asking them for their opinions. I showed I satisfy Old testament law and those many signs in the heavens because of my own acts and deeds and so those Jews do not have any choice Old testament law binds the Jews and so they damn well should hearken to what I have said. I am the only Prophet to have proven I am a Prophet from God by religious law and ordered that Mass exodus of Jews. So I am likened to Moses.

These things I have done with regards to these religious and apocalyptic matters embarrass all those false claimants to that messianic status like Jesus and Muhammad. Who show no actual proof and did not fulfil the Living Gods Prophecy. And just look at how you false Prophet worshippers flap when you receive my God given Revelations. Hahahaha

Shirker salaudinnynj you said: The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren."

Starjade says: I was first born in the Blackpool of Lancashire. I grew up in the Midst of the Jews who are the brethren to all those other descendants of Abraham living or dead throughout this Planet. And I am an Alien resident I am more than human. And as far as I know I am not of the descendancy of Abraham but I still grew up in the midst of the Jews who are the brethren of all those other descendants of Abraham living or dead.

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 5:00 pm
starjade
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Reply 		Re: The Lord King King of kings Starjade says: (pt 18)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said: Arabs and Jews If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another.

Starjade says: You just said what I have explained. The children of one are the brethren of the other. I grew up in the Midst of the Jews who are the brethren of all other descendants of Abraham living or dead. And that does include Moses.

All the descendants of Abraham are Jews. The word Jew means a displaced person. No Jew has a true homeland until the arrival of the Living Gods Doomsday prophet who will lead them all to that new Land. One Nation of people and one religion and the Living God did not say he would make two nations of people. The Living God said only one nation of people. Muslims like you categorise Jews about and all think that the orthodox Jews must all be of the descendants of Isaac. But all Jews are the descendants of Abraham no matter what tribe they are from. You can make up names for yourselves but in the end it is what God says that matters and all descendants of Abraham are expected by the Living God to be one people one nation and have only one religion.

Besides as I recall the descendants of Ishmael left the descendants of Isaac in the desert before they reached the land that Moses had promised them. So they once again shirked away. So God kept in contact with Isaacs descendants. The rest of your ancesters of Ishmael just walked away and built themselves a Golden calf calling it islam and the Koran is the idol as well as Muhammad. And that is how God see things. And you can be certain that Is my view also.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

Starjade says: No you are re making that Prophecy to infer that it speaks of Ishmael. But Jesus who also claimed that he was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and was also a descendant of Abraham and spent a lot of time so it is claimed living amongst his brethren.

I also was first born in the Blackpool of Lancashire in the Midst of the brethren of all descendants Of Abraham. And Old testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 does say it can be proven that I am a Genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the Living God and I was involved in the giving of details of a future apocalypse with a view to an Exodus to the International Order of kabbalists who are also the brethren of all those other descendants of Abraham living or dead.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said: There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

Starjade says: No Muhammad was one of their brethren and must I continue to show the Sura 4:82 and how errors are found in the Koran which then proves Muhammad is a liar and a fraud. Tell me Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors exist in the Koran. If they do then that shows that the Koran did not come from god as Muhammad has claimed in fact it proves the words and the claims of Mad Muhammad are not true. In fact he is then proven to be a liar and fraud.

Error found in the Koran.
I4iv: Solomon's power over nature:
a. Birds and ants

King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 27:16) and the speech of ants (sura 27:18-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 105:3-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 27:17). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 27:20-27).

Note: According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff).

53. Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.

Starjade says: Muhammad may have been of the brethren but he is also a proven liar and deceiver of the congregations. I have not yet seen any Muslim able to defend Muhammad upon these issues but I have seen a lot of Shirkers.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said: Words in the Mouth
"The prophecy proceeds further:'.......AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.......' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'? You see, when I asked you (the dominee) to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?" The dominee answered: "No." "But," I continued: "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.

Starjade says: I have been chewing your Shirky ass for a while now and you have been defenceless and only ably to sling abuse at me maybe that is what was meant. But as a matter of fact also is that the Old testament is considered to be the actual word of the Living God and everytime I speak passages out of the Old Testament or quote Old testament laws then Gods words are truly in my mouth.

It is a fact that the word of God is not in the mouth of Mad Muhammad as he is proven to be a liar by the Sura 4:82 and his own acts and deeds. Sura 4:82 do they no consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy in the Koran.

Tell me Shirker salaudinnynj do those errors exist in the Koran here are yet another two now tell the truth do these errors exist in the Koran and when you answer remind yourself of what the Sura 4:82 says if one error exists in the Koran then that is evidence that the Koran did not come from God.

57. Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].

40. Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.

The Koran is claimed to be the actual word of god by Muhammad and yet clearly this is not true in fact the Koran is the Arabs Golden Calf and Islam is powerless against me in its defence against my religious revelations. So God has put his word in my mouth and Islam has fallen at the feet of Starjade because of that fact.

Anyone who reads the Old Testament and speaks it does have the word of God in their mouths. :harp

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 4:50 pm
starjade
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Reply 		Re: The Lord King King of kings Starjade says: (pt 19)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?" The dominee agreed that it was indeed so. In an identical manner, I said, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

Starjade says: I must say I found the words of the Koran hard to swallow as well and if you put those words into the mouth of anyone then it is proven by Sura 4. 82 to not be the word of God. Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah they would surely find much discrepancy therein.

Now tell us all Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors exist in the Koran and in replying know that you will be showing the Koran is not the word of God and that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud.

I2ii: Haman
Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 28:38; 29:38; 40:25,38). But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian.

I3iv: Issa
The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it.

Starjade continues: Come on now Muslims come on now Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors exist in the Koran answer me. Why are you shirking God does not like a shirk.

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 4:52 pm
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Reply 		The lord King Starjade says: (pt 20)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue: 'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed is terrified and in his bewilderment replies " MA ANA BEQARA which means I AM NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues. Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

Starjade says: This appearance of this angel Gabriel as claimed by mad Muhammad is an odd mistake in the Koran. You see that angel Gabriel was said to have appeared to Zacharias Mary and Joseph and was narrated by Mathew and Luke as confirming the birth of Jesus who in later life claimed that he was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words.

So don�t you find it very odd that this same angel Gabriel should then be claimed by Muhammad to have appeared to him and tell him that he is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

And isn�t it a fact that the origin of this Angel Gabriel was from a dream that Daniel had had whiles in a deep sleep. And wasn�t this talk of a book being given to an unlettered man just Muhammad trying to fulfil a prophecy of Isaiah written in his 29 Chapter. I find that very sneaky especially when Muhammad has already been proven to be a liar and fraud. Do I need to show more errors to show that to be a fact. Those words your claiming this Angel Gabriel has been making which Mad Muhammad claimed that came from God as if God made those errors and not Mad Muhammad. Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from Any other than Allah then surly they would have found much discrepancy therein.

Starjade says: Errors/discrepancies found in the Koran.
5. The change of the retaliation laws where retaliation for the crime (murder) was confined to people of equal rank (i.e. slave for slave) in sura 2:178, then it was to be carried out only against the murderer by the heir, sura 17:33 (note: Ali adds Qisas and forgiving to the Arabic).

6. The change of the days of creation from 6 (7:54; 25:59) to 8 (41:9- 12).

7. The change of the hierarchy of prophets, where they were initially equal (suras 3:84;2:285;2:136) and then some are elevated above the others, sura 2;253 (see Ali's note:289).

8. The changes in intercession; at first done by angels and Muhammad (suras 42:5; 24:62), and then were not acceptable to Allah (suras 74:48; 63:5; 34:23).

Starjade says: these errors in the Koran prove that they did not come from God. This angel Gabriel originated as a dream that Daniel had whiles in a deep sleep and Gabriel was first mentioned by name by Luke in the New testament as he narrated the story of the birth of Jesus whom claimed that he is that very Prophet that you are now claiming Mad Muhammad as being.

Now tell me Shirker salaudinnynj why does Muhammad believe in Jesus. And why does Muhammad claim the Koran came from god when it is full of errors and discrepancies and why do you claim the angel Gabriel gave Muhammad a squeeze in that Cave when Gabriel was just a figment of another mans dreams. Why do you call Muhammad that prophet when that Muhammad believed Jesus is that Prophet whiles the Koran that you say came from this Gabriel also glorifies Jesus as being that very prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be.

According to the Old testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. This is a witness law that is designed to determine matters of the truth especially about statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous or sinful. It is not a matter for your own personal opinion; even if nobody wanted to believe the evidence that is presented. If that law is fulfilled, then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious law.

Now then let me see the evidence you have that this Angel Gabriel appeared to mad Muhammad in his Cave. What about those witnesses to when Mad Muhammad claimed that this Angel Gabriel had appeared to him on the Mountainside. You know the Mountain that Muhammad had climbed because he knew he had gone mad and had intended to Kill himself. Isnt it a fact that no such witnesses actually exist. It is all just the claims of Muhammad who was alone each time. And the fact is that the follow Islam of Die law is the only reason this Bulldump story ever actually took off after all we have already seen how deceptive Muslims can be.

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 4:55 pm
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Reply 		The Lord King Starjade says: (pt21)
The Shirker salaudinnynj said: These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

The Faithful Witness
Immediately the angel had departed, Muhummed rushed to his home. Terrified and sweating all over he asked his beloved wife Khadija to 'cover him up!' He lay down, and she watched by him. When he had regained his composure, he explained to her what he had seen and heard. She assured him of her faith in him and that Allah would not allow any terrible thing to happen to him. Are these the confessions of an impostor? Would impostors confess that when an angel of the Lord confronts them with a Message from on High, they get fear-stricken, terrified, and sweating all over, run home to their wives? Any critic can see that his reactions and confessions are that of an honest, sincere man, the man of Truth- 'AL-AMIN' - THE Honest, the Upright, the Truthful.

Starjade says: I have already covered these issues on the End of Times web site and so I find them boring. Note however Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, apparently Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. And that is where Muhammad got to learn about Christianity and probably why he did not know the claims of Jesus as Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, was Christian believer and so he omitted informing Muhammad of the claims of Jesus. This text also shows that jesus made his claims to being that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up long before Mad Muhammad of the Muslims. My own version of this account as given by Islamic experts is more concise than yours

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As a reply to this Propaganda let me say: Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from Any other than Allah then they would surely have found much discrepancy therein.

Errors/discrepancies found in the Koran. found in the Koran.

9. The Sword verses: the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 9:5); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 47:5); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 9:29); or "Fight then... until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 8:39); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 9:3). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256).

10 .Sura 2:184 first allows a rich man to buy himself out of the fast by feeding an indigent. The following verse (185) allows no compensation.

11. Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).

12. Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).

So that proves the Koran did not come from God as Mad Muhammad has claimed doesn�t it. Errors and siscrepecies are mans mistakes not Gods. So Muhammad is proven to be a liar and a fraud and the Koran and Muhammads words are not true. The Sura 4:82 admits that fact. If errors exist in the Koran then the Koran did not come from god.

Of course as you have been doing so much bragging at how you are going to refute all these errors whiles your butt head is faced firmly in the ground then
The Shirker salaudinnynj no doubt will be able to explain away those errors. Not that any Muslim has been able to do that yet. But The Shirker salaudinnynj deludes himself that he can.

The Shirker salaudinnynj said:
During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life, words were 'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indeliable impression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture (Holy Qur'an) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf fibre, on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions i n the order in which we find them today in the Holy Qur'an.

Starjade says: Just a minute; Sura 4:82 says; Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from Any other than Allah then they would surely have found much discrepancy therein. Tell me Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors exist in the Koran if they do then the sura 4:82 says the Koran did not come from God. So this is all Islamic deceptions.
Errors/discrepancies found in the Koran. found in the Koran.

13. Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).

14. Muhammad will not forget the revelations which Allah gives him (sura 87:6-7), is then changed to withdrawing that which Allahs wills to withdraw (i.e. revelations) (17:86).

15. Allah commits himself as law to act mercifully, which implies cause and effect (sura 6:12), yet later in the same sura we find that "If Allah willed, he could have brought them all together to the guidance... Whom Allah will he sendeth astray, and whom he will he placeth on a straight path" (vss. 35 & 39).

16. Concerning predestination, in sura 57:22 we find the words, "No evil befalls on the earth, nor on your own souls but it is in a book before We bring into existence." And in sura 76:29-31 it says, "..whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord, Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth... He maketh whom He will to enter His mercy..." Both of these contradict sura 42:30, which states, "Whatever of misfortune striketh you, it is what your right hands have earned."

Shirker salaudinnynj you say: The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as foretold in the prophecy under discusion: 'AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.' (Deut. 18:18).

Starjade says; So it is clear this is the Muslims claim that Muhammad has Gods word put in his mouth even though there are no statements by you that Muhammad was always alone and that the Sura 4:82 shows those words that you claim God put in his mouth are full of errors. In fact you are saying that God has put errors in the words of Muhammad who then claimed that they are true.

Now tell me Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors exist in the Koran and isn�t it a fact the the words you spoke of are the words of the Koran as you have admitted and so if any errors exist then that proves that Gods word were not ever put in the mouth of Muhammad.

Sura 4:82 errors in the Koran.

21. In sura 17:101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7:133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine).

22. In sura 51:57 we find that Jinn were created to worship Allah, yet in sura 7:176 we find that the Jinn were created for Hell.

23. In sura 17:103 we are told that Pharaoh was drowned with his army, yet in sura 10:90-92, upon admitting to the power of God, he is rescued as a sign to others.

I4iii: Jinns & Shooting stars:

Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9.

How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?

Starjade concludes: Now come on Shirker salaudinnynj do not Shirk do those errors exist in the Koran. Isn�t it a fact that these errors that I speak about are in fact the words that Muhammad has claimed this angel Gabriel has spoken. And these are the words that you claim God put in Muhammads mouth. But then how can you explain the fact that these errors exist. Are you saying that this angel Gabriel is a liar or is it God you are calling a liar with your Islamic propaganda. Well then come online and tell us do these errors exist in the Koran. Isnt it a fact that the words that you are claiming were put into Muhammads mouth are flawed words that have come from God. Why not come online and explain why you think and why islam thinks that God is putting errors into the words of Muhammad through this Angel Gabriel.

And remind yourself that before Mad Muhammads claims jesus was already claiming to be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And Muhammad and the Koran also believed in jesus.

The Christians proof of evedance about Jesus being that prophet. Author Iris the Christian. Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua): ( 1 2 3 p074.ezboard.com/fdesivoi...=455.topic

Edited by: starjade at: 9/7/04 9:04 pm
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Back on thurs to finish this reply off. until then i have left much food for thought. Or was that justa Muslim a i have had for breakfast. :harp

Edited by: starjade at: 9/9/04 4:03 pm
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Reply 		The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (pt 22)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as foretold in the prophecy under discusion: 'AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.' (Deut. 18:18).

Starjade says: every Time I speak or quote from the Old Testament or speak the words of the Prophecy made by the Living God or show you by my Revelations that the Prophets you follow are false Prophets. Then those are the words that the Living God has put in my mouth.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
Un-lettered Prophet. Muhummed's experience in the cave of Hira, later to be known as Jabal-un Noor - The Mountain of Light, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfilment of another Biblical Prophecy. In the Book of Isaiah, Chapter 29, verse 12, we read: "AND THE BOOK" (al-Kitaab,al-Quran the 'Reading', the 'Recitation') "IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED," (Isaiah 29:12) "THE UNLETTERED PROPHET " (Holy Qur'an 7:158) and the biblical verse continues : "SAYING, READ THIS, I PRAY THEE:" (the words "I pray thee", are not in the Hebrew manuscripts; compare with the Roman Catholics' "Douay Version and also with the "Revised Standard Versions") "AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." ("I am not learned." is the exact translation of the Arabic words MA ANA BEQARA which Muhummed uttered twice to the Holy Ghost - the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded : IQRAA "READ!").

Starjade says: I have mentioned this claim by Muhammad of his encounter in this Cave by this angel Gabriel which is all entirely on the word of Muhammad alone as he was alone and just claims these events happened. I have said all along that this was the reason for the story Muhammad invented was to make it appear to religiously ignorant people that he had satisfied that prophecy made by Isaiah concerning that very verse that you mention. It is for that reason alone that Muslims claim that Muhammad was an illiterate person who could not read or write.

However this does not explain how Muhammad came to know about that obscure Prophecy which was not so much a real prophecy but more of a Metaphor. Likened to sayings by Confucius. Chapter 29 of Isaiah is not a part of the Bible people ever get to. Yet Muhammad seems to know those statements of Isaiah very well for someone who claims to be unlettered and illiterate person. And he also knew the Prophecies of Moses and so he clearly was educated with the Christians religion to some degree and also to the Jews religion to know all about these Prophecies made by Moses and Isaiah. In fact the Koran as good as quotes those passages and you salaudinnynj show that very text that Muslims claim authenticates your self appointed so called illiterate Prophet. So Muhammad was clearly obviously not as illiterate as he claims.

It is a matter of fact in Muslim history so the story of idolasion goes that Muhammad was a Trader and that he was so well trusted by the other traders that they would bring their books to Muhammad for Muhammad to tally up. And this fact shows that Muhammad was a literate man because you need to be able to read and write and count to tally the books of any business and Muhammad was doing the books of other traders. Whiles idolising Muhammad Muslims forget themselves and are pretty stupid not to realise that they are contradicting themselves. It is a fact that the Sura 4:82 says that if one error is found in the Koran then the Koran did not come from God as Muhammad has claimed. That means the word of Muhammad can be proven to be untrue. And as those words of the Koran are supposed to have come from this angel Gabriel then that shows the word of that angel Gabriel is proven to be untrue for surely no angel from God is going to make silly mistakes and errors in a book that Muhammad has claimed whiles getting a squeeze in this Cave that the contents of that book came from God.

Tell me now and do not Shirk. Do these two errors exist in the Koran. Do Muslims believe that the Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses. And do they think that it is true that Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven. Is that the word of a mad man or some angel from God that you are trying to convince us all that Muhammad had been talking with. Tell us all the truth do not Shirk do those two errors and the many others I have mentioned that you are shirking. Do those errors exist in the Koran and remind yourself when you answer that the Sura 4:82 says if just one error exists in the Koran then the Koran did not come from God and that means the word of Muhammad is proven to be deceptive and not true. So as Muhammad can be proven to be a Blasphemous fraud then why would God offer him any book. So come on tell the truth do not shirk do these absurd errors exist in the Koran or not. It is a simple Question and you have your Koran. Do these errors exist of not.

I1i: Moses

The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.

I4iii: Jinns & Shooting stars:

Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9.

How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?

Starjade continues. So as those errors exist then the word of this claimed angel Gabriel is proven to not be true and the word of Muhammad is not true. As a matter of religious fact of law. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 states very clearly that you need two or three witnesses to prove a thing is true but in Muhammads case isn�t it a fact that these are only the claims of Muhammad and there are no witnesses to verify his claims of this encounter with this angel Gabriel. I do not doubt that Muhammad was getting a squeeze from something in that cave but the only real Question was it from his left hand or his right.

So this unlettered illiterate Man was able to quote the Prophecies of Moses and Isiah word almost for word as it was written in the Old testament and then trys to claim he is illiterate and so that means he must be that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And to prove that claim he says his illiteracy is the fulfilment of that prophecy made By Isaiah in Ch 29 v 12. And that was the reasoning behind this claim of this encounter he had in a Cave. The belief that the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up would be given a book that was sealed. As Quoted metaphorically by Isaiah. So Muhammad could use that statement and claim his encounter is the exact fulfilment of another Biblical Prophecy.

But as errors exist in the Koran and Muhammds word is proven to be untrue then there is not a reason to believe that any Biblical happenings would happen to Muhammad after all he is now proven to be A liar and a fraud.

Now in my view everyone should read Chapter 29 of Isaiah so they can see for themselves if this Book was a sign of the coming of the Prophet God promised Moses he would raise up. Which is absurd when all that such a prophet from God needs to do is prove he is such a Prophet using Prophecy of the Future or a miracle and a sign in the heavens. And satisfy the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 which is a Jewish law designed to determine matters of the truth. After reading the whole of that Chapter it is clear that this Book was not an actual book but that Isaiah was metaphorically speaking.

And as Muhammad can be proven by religious law and history to be a liar and a fraud then his claim to being Gods Prophet is invalidated. Even today no Muslim is in any position to defend Muhammad. In fact even today Muhammad is proven to be presumptuous to think that he could speak in Gods name. So Muhammad certainly is not mentioned anywhere in the Old or New Testament. :south

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 4:58 pm
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Reply 		The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (pt 23)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the "King James Version," or the "Authorised version" as it is more popularly known "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).


Starjade says: Tsk tsk tsk. Islamic propaganda is so full of Error. And Muslims do tell lies. Shirker salaudinnynj you said you would quote the whole verse without a break and yet omit the other verses that speak another story to that verse than the one that you and Muhammad have been claiming. (it is sad to think Muhammad and the Muslims sat and planned all these things out.) ( It is so devious.)

Well the Lord King Starjade is the one giving Revelations here and so I shall show the entire Chapter and verse as taken from a 3oo year old Book that was designed to be read in Christians Churches. So we can all have a good read. After all this was the reasoning behind Muhammads claim of such a mad encounter with this fabricated angel Gabriel in that Cave.

But first let me point out a lie and another discrepancy that your propaganda has shown and Islamic history is calling you a deceiver of men.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said: Important note :
It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhammad lived and preached! Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. No human had ever taught him a word. His teacher was his Creator:

Starjade says: Verse. 82: According to Muslim historians. Muhammad was born in the deserts of Arabia on April 20th 571. When he was 40 he would often disappear from his family home to visit a small Cave in the Mount An Nour. They say the Angel Gabriel had appeared to Muhammad one day while he was in this Cave, and he began to squeeze Muhammad until he recited out the verses of the Koran. It all began as Muhammad had been sitting in meditation and a loud booming voice cried out and told him to �read�. Muhammad was shocked and afraid as he thought he had been alone, but he replied I am one of those who cannot read, after this he was taken up violently and squeezed and then set free, the voice repeated �read� Muhammad could only give the same answer, I am not one of those who can read. This was repeated for some time until eventually Muhammad said what shall I read, the voice then began narrations orally of what was to become the Muslims Koran. This event caused Muhammad to tremble with such fear that he ran back to his wife, his wife tried to soothe him down but Muhammad was very upset, so they both went to a cousin of Muhammad�s wife. He was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, apparently Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. When Muhammad told Waraqa what had happened in the Cave, Waraqa said that was the Angel Gabriel who is entrusted with the divine secrets that Allah had sent to Moses. Waraqa then warned Muhammad that anyone having such a vision, would be cast out by his people, but should Muhammad decide to reveal his vision to his people, then he Waraqa would strongly support him, but Waraqa however died a few days later.

The complete story of the false prophet Muhammad.
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Starjade continues: Now it is a claim by you that there were no Arabic Bibles in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhammad lived and preached! Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. ( so it is claimed so he could lay claim to fulfilling this Isaiah 29 v 12 Prophecy.) And you said: No human had ever taught him a word.

But Muhammads wifes cousin was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, apparently Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. When Muhammad told Waraqa what had happened in the Cave, Waraqa said that was the Angel Gabriel who is entrusted with the divine secrets that Allah had sent to Moses.

Starjade says: Any Islamic expert will tell you that the statement I have made is all true. So Waraqa was a Christian eh. And cousin to the wife of Muhammad and someone they both knew well for in their time of need they went first to the Christian Waraqa for advice and Waraqa then told Muhammad about this angel and Moses and so Muhammad was getting a Christian education.

Therefore you Kuffar (one who hides the truth) salaudinnynj are not telling the truth. Islamic history says you are not telling the truth and are deceiving us all with your tales. Although it is clear you wisely down loaded this data off the net it is a fact that these same things are what all Muslims believe around the world and these are the deceptive tales that you tell.

Now how then did Waraqa get to know about Christianity and be able to speak of it to Muhammad and fill Muhammads head with even more madness. So despite your claims someone had a bible. And as the text used by Muhammad in his claims is clearly well thought out to some degree then someone sure as Hell had access to some Bible or another.

And a Trader who does the books and can quote accurate claims from the Old and New Testament sure as hell was able to read and write. Otherwise how did he get to know about these Prophecies that he is claiming that he has fulfilled. So Islam and Muhammad and you. Once again have been caught out in a lie of your own making. Tsk tsk tsk��.

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 5:02 pm
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Reply 		Re: The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (pt 24)
:music Gods heavy Judgement upon Jerusalem 7 the unsatiableness of her enemies 9 The senselessness 13 and deep hypocrisy of the Jews 18 A promises of sanctification to the godly.

Chapter 29

Verse 1:Woe to Ariel to Ariel the city where David dwelt! Add ye year to year let them kill sacrifices.
Verse 2: Yet I will distress Ariel and there shall be heaviness and sorrow and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
Verse 3: And I will camp against thee round about, and I will lay siege against thee with a mount and I will raise forts against thee.
Verse 4: And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground and thy speech shall be low out of the dust and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
Verse 5: Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like a small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: Yea it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Verse 6: Thou shalt be visited of the lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Verse 7: And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Arliel, even all that fight against her and her munition and that distress her, shall be as a dreamer of a nightvision.

Verse 8: It shall be even be as when an hungry man dreameth and, behold he eateth: but he awaketh, his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he that awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his Soul hath appitite: So shall the multitude of all nations be, that fight against Mount Zion.
Verse 9: Stay yourselves and wonder; ery ye out and cry: They are drunken but not with wine: They stagger but not with strong drink.
Verse 10: For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit deep sleep and hath closed your eyes: The Prophets and your rulers the seers have covered.

Verse 11: And the Vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed which men deliver to one that is learned saying, read this, I pray thee: and he saith I cannot; for it is sealed.
Verse 12: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying read this, I pray thee: and he saith I am not learned.
Verse 13: Wherefore the Lord said for as much as this people draw near me with their mouth and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men.
Verse 14: Therefore, behold I will proceed to do marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work, and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Verse 15: Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their councel from the lord and their works are in the dark and they say who seeth us? And who knoweth us.
Verse 16: Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potters clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, he made me not? Or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, he had no understanding.
Verse 17: Is it not yet a very little whileand Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest.

Verse18: And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book. And the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of the darkness.
Verse 19: The meek also shall increase their joy in the lord and the poor among men shall rejoice in the holy one of Israel.
Verse 20: For the Terrible one is brought to naught and, and. The scorners is consumed and all that watch for iniquity are cut off.
Verse 21: That make a man an offender for a word and lay a snare for him that reprovaeth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
Verse 22: Therefore thus sayeth the Lord who redeemed Abraham concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed neither shall his face now wax pale.
Verse 23: But when he seeth the work of mine hands in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy one of Jacob and shall fear the God of Israel.
Verse 24: They also that erred in spirit shall come to understand and they that murmered shall learn doctrine. :harp

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Reply 		Re: The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (pt 25)
Verse 11: And the Vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed which men deliver to one that is learned saying, read this, I pray thee: and he saith I cannot; for it is sealed.

Starjade says: read that passage again and think. Isiah was doing a bit of Hell fire preaching and warning woes of the end of times. But nobody at that Time knew what will occur on that fateful apocalyptic day. And that apocalytic knowledge is what is like a book that is sealed. And that is why it is likened to a book that is sealed and noone with understanding either the wise or the fool can open that book and know its knowledge.

For that unknown apocalyptic knowledge is like a book that is sealed.

There are no comments about some angel called Gabriel or any book called the Koran in fact neither were mentioned because they are of mans invention not Gods. Did you not read that this knowledge was become unto you (as the words of a book) that is sealed which (men) deliver. Metaphorically speaking.

And apart from the fact that muhammad is proven to be a liar and afraud. isnt it a fact that no book was presented to Muhammad. In fact the contents of the Muslims Koran were orally transmitted. And the Sura 4:82 says that the Koran did not come from God (must i prove that fact by showing you even more errors in the Koran.)

Starjades 21 errors found in the Koran.
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His followers were said to commit the text of the Koran to memory, and then as instructed by Muhammad, they were then put into writings, Muhammad died in 632 and after the battle of Al Yamamah in 633 Umar inb al Khattab, who later became the second Caliph, said to the first Caliph Abu Bakir, that because of the loss in that battle they were in danger of losing the Koran as it was mainly enshrined in their memories. Aby Bakr recognised the danger and entrusted the task of writing out the Koran to Zayd ibn Thabit, who was the chief scribe that Muhammad had frequently dictated to during his lifetime. A final authorised text was prepared and completed in 651 during the Time of Uthman the third Caliph and this has remained the text of the Koran in use ever since. Still Muslims however claim that the contents of the Koran came from God through this Angel Gabriel.

So no book was given to Muhammad this book was written out long after Muhammad had died. yet another deception. And no doubt some kuffar Muslims are going to try and claim every Prophecy fits Muhammad but the most damaging proof that the Koran is not God given is in the fact that the Koran is so full of errors and discrepencies that it is clear that the Koran did not come from God. In fact the Sura 4:82 proves the Koran did not come from God and that muhammad is a liar deciever and afraud. Tsk tsk tsk.....

Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from Any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepency therein. The challenge is that of finding one, just one error in the Quran. If one error exists then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God.

Now tell me now do all those errors i have mentioned exist in the Koran. Here is one error as one error is all that is needed to prove that the Koran did not come from God. tell me now and do not shirk does this error exist in the Koran. Come on Now do not be so afraid it is a simple thing to speak the truth but so hard as Hell for a Muslim to confess the truth. Does this error about Thunder and lightening exist in the Koran. Come on now do not Shirk and when you reply realise that the sura 4:82 says if one errors is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. And that also proves the word of muhammad is not true and in fact Muhammad has been propven to be a deceptive fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.

The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God�s angels�exactly like Gabriel!

In the Qur�an there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living being�although, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Qur�an and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,

"Ibn �Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, �It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."�

In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse:
"The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."

Not only ibn �Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue:
"On the authority of Ibn �Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, �Tell us about the thunder. What is it?� He told them:

�It is one of God�s angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them.� They said to him, �What is this sound that we hear?� He said: �(It is) his voice (The angel�s voice)."�

So Muhammad was not given any book and so he had no prophecy that he could fulfill no matter what your claims are and the Koran you speak about is proven by its own words to be untrue. So Muhamma dhas not fulfilled any prophecy but has miseld others who just like you idolise and miread anything you want as long as it satisfies the conveniant explantions that fit you and your delusional world. :flam



Edited by: starjade at: 9/9/04 6:09 pm
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Reply 		Re: The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (part 26)
OH By the way: These following verses are a reference to the eating and the effect of a Mushroom called the Amanita Muscaria a sacred Mushroom that grew upon the Tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden. That Mushroom was also known as being the Christ. But like I said it is a long story and those Revelations are way too deep for you to understand.

Isaiah was not the only one to indulge in that Sacred key to heavens and Hell. Daniel and Isaiah and Ezekial and well mainly all of Gods prophets had a munch on that fruit of the Earth. But well that is another story far too deep for you Shirker salaudinnynj

But I thought I would point that out whiles passing.

Verse 8: It shall be even be as when an hungry man dreameth and, behold he eateth: but he awaketh, his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he that awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his Soul hath appitite: So shall the multitude of all nations be, that fight against Mount Zion.

Verse 9: Stay yourselves and wonder; ery ye out and cry: They are drunken but not with wine: They stagger but not with strong drink.

Verse 10: For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit deep sleep and hath closed your eyes: The Prophets and your rulers the seers have covered. :harp

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 5:04 pm
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Reply 		Re: The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (part 27)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said: Without any human learning, 'he put to shame the wisdom of the learned'."

Starjade says: well we have already established that this is an Islamic lie and that in fact Muhammad was able to read and write and as a trader he learned all about humans. And whiles the Muslims do their bragging and idolising about Muhammad their idol. It must have escaped their noticed that his claims just got Butt f----- on the Internet and many other public forums. So he wasn�t so clever and his claims are not proven to be true but proven to be lies and deceptions. So it all shows how thick they all were in the Middle east during the days of Mad Muhammad and unto this Present Time. In fact it is clear that Sura 4:82 has exposed the fact that Mad Muhammad is the one who is full of Shame.

Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
(12) There are today Arabic Bibles in Fourteen different *****s and dialects for the Arabs alone. See "The Gospels in many tongues"

Starjade says: Just a minute there is no such thing as an Islamic Bible is their eh. Whats that. Is this the proven false by Sura 4:82 Koran that is spoken here about or have the Muslims invented another deceptive book. So what eh so frelling what have you got any idea how many religious doctrines there are in existence.

Hey but wait until my End of Times Prophecy Book comes out. Now those Revelations will blow your mind away.


Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
Grave Warning "See!" I told the dominee, "how the prophecies fit Muhummed like a glove. We do not have to stretch prophecies to justify their fulfilment in Muhummed."

Starjade says: Oh my God what utter Bull dump and deceptive blabberwocking. Muhammad did not fulfil the Living Gods Promises to moses. It is a fact that you are trying to create some evidence that Muhammad was the Prophet that Muhammad has claimed to be. But in the End you do not actually have any evidence. I could have told you that in the beginning. For I have known all along as you are not the first Muslim I have spoken with and be sure I asked for the proof of Muhamad way back in the beginning when I was being taught the religion of Islam by Islamic Experts.

And no matter how any Muslim tries. They are in no position to provide any proof of Muhammad as no such proof exists. They have just been led to believe it exists. But when going looking for that evidence well they then find out they have all been fed a Lie. tsk tsk tsk..And you�re the ones trying to make your evidence fit and you are failing every time.

Edited by: starjade at: 9/14/04 5:06 pm
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Reply 		Re: The Doomsday Prophet Starjade says: (part 28)
Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
The dominee replied, "All your expositions sound very well, but they are of no real consequence, because we Christians have Jesus Christ the "incarnate" God, who has redeemed us from the Bondage of Sin!"

I asked, "Not important?" God didn't think so! He went to a great deal of trouble to have His warnings recorded. God knew that there would be people like you who will flippantly, light-heartedly discount his words,

Starjade says with a smirky face: God knew that there would be people like you who will flippantly, light-heartedly discount his words. Hahaha that sound very much to me just like all the Muslims on earth. Hahaha you have so described yourself there salaudinnynj.

But of course my words are not so easily discounted in fact I have already made some very serious claims and backed my mouth up all the way. You can flippantly shirk away from my words and stick your head in the sand but you are small fry. Think what I will do to your Imam ma�s.

And yes you forgot the thing about jesus because all Christians on earth believe that jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Even Mad Muhammad and the deceptive Koran all glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. Hahahaha it is so funny when I think about that stupidity of Mad Muhammad and the writers of the Koran hahahah (cough Oh scuse me a Minute I gotta stop for a laugh.

salaudinnynj you say:
so he followed up Deuteronomy 18:18 with a dire warning: "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, " (it is going to happen) "THAT WHOSOEVER WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME, I WILL REQUIRE IT OF HIM. (in the Catholic Bible the ending words are - "I will be the revenger", I will take vengeance from him - I will take revenge!) "Does not this terrify you? God Almighty is threatening revenge! We shake in our pants if some hoodlum threathens us, yet you have no fear of God's warning?"


Starjade says: Look unto yourself Shirker salaudinnynj for you are unafraid. And you should be afraid for I am proven by religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 to be that specific Prophet. And yet look at what you say to me. And how you receive my revelations and worse for you is that I am a Law giver and law enforcer and I do plan on stoning to death all the Blasphemous scum on this Planet. A Woe is to thee for your Blasphemy has found you out and you did not hearken to my words whiles I was demanding an account from you. In fact before us all we see and we saw that you shirked.

salaudinnynj you say:
"Miracle of Miracles! in the verse 19 of Deuteronomy chapter 18, we have a further fulfilment of the prophecy in Muhummed! Note the words-'.....MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME," In whose name is Muhummed speaking?" I opened Yusuf Ali's translation of the Holy Qur'an, at chapter 114- 'Sura Nas', or Mankind - the last chapter, and showed him the formula at the head of the chapter:

Starjade says: Muhammad is speaking on behalf of the devil as his ego and idolatry is overflowing. He is proven to be a liar and fraud and you could not defend him. Your imam mas could not defend him your religion is Blasphemous in the eyes of the Living God and you will be stoned to death. You Muslims are false Prophet worshippers and you worship the false God of that false Prophets imaginations. Do not think that you will walk into heaven with such bull dump on your shoulder.

salaudinnynj you say: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL." And the heading of chapter 113: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL". And every chapter downwards 112 , 111, 110.......was the same formula and the same meaning on every page, because the end SURAS (chapters) are short and take about a page each.

Starjade says: So when Zayd ibn Thabit, wrote out the Koran he started with such passages. Are you now claiming Zayd ibn Thabit, to be a Holy person as well. Now me when I write a story ( and I am a Prolific writer.) I start with once upon a time. Or in the beginning. As a matter of fact I started with one Night during the seasons of Autumn. Hahaha So what eh. The Koran is proven to not be the word of God or any book sent or given by God. This can be proven for a fact by the Sura 4:82 and those many errors in the Koran that you salaudinnynj have been shirking away from. The sura 4:82 says if one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God as you Muslims have been claiming.

Now you know what is coming next so do not shirk. But tell the truth. Do these errors exist in the Koran. If one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. Islam admits the Koran does not come from god. And if the Koran did not come from God (and it does not) then that proves the word of Muhammad is not true and in fact he is then proven to be a liar and a deceiver of Men just as the religion of Islam is.


Error in Koran: Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).

Error in Koran: Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).

Error in Koran: Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).

Error in Koran: Mary & Imran:

One of the best known errors is that concerning the confusion between Mary, recorded in the Qur'an as the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Imran (Biblical Amran) as well as the mother of Jesus (by implication in suras 19:28; 66:12; 20:25-30), though the two, Mary and Miriam, lived 1,570 years apart.

Starjade says: So then do not Shirk do these errors exist in the Koran. Comne on do not shirk. We already know these errors are in the Koran. Many know these errors exist in the Koran. So why shirk away from admitting that stop shirking and face the fact that if one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. And Islam is in no position at all to claim otherwise.

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Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
"And what did the prophecy demand?' ......WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME.

:music Starjade says: Well the Prophecy that was given to the Jews said that the Living God had promised Moses he would raise up a Prophet and that this Prophet would gather up all the Jews from the Four corners of the Globe and lead them all to a New promised land. This was said to occur at a Time when just as it was in the Days of Noah a great cataclysm would strike this earth causing extinction of the species.

Now you�re the one bragging that Muhammad was fulfilling the Prophecies of Moses and Isaiah. So how come then that Mad Muhammad has not made any claim to those other Prophecies of Isaiah with regards to the coming of the Chosen one. Did they just slip his mind.

Isaiah Ch 11 v 11: And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnants of his people which shall be l;eft, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands, of the Sea.

Isaiah Ch 11 v 12: And he shall set upon an ensign for the nations and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the Globe.

And it is true this Prophecy has been fulfilled for that Doomsday Prophet Starjade has come giving out those apocalyptic details to those Jews with a view to an Exodus from the Four corners of the Globe. And I have led those Jews to a New promised Land which will be in the South Eastern Atlantic basin next to Africa in that Apocalyptic Future proving beyond any doubt that my word is true and I was and have and did speak in the Name of the Living God and truly as I speak of Grave situations then you should shove your egos up your ass and hearken to my words that I have proven do speak in the name of the Living God. :harp

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Shirker salaudinnynj you said:
and in whose name does Muhummed speak? 'IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS MOST MERCIFUL.' The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhummed to the letter "Every chapter of the Holy Qur'an except the 9th begin with the formula: IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.' The Muslim begins his every lawful act with the Holy formula. But the Christian begins: "In the name of the Father, son and holy ghost.'"1

Starjade says: It matters not how the doctrine of the Koran was written or what false claims Muhammad has made. The sura 4:82 says if any errors are found in the Koran then the Koran did not come from God.

Tell me now Shirker salaudinnynj do these errors I have mentioned exist in the Koran. Come on now tell the truth and do not Shirk. You know those errors exist in the Koran but you have become a Shirker.

The Earth
Several thousand years ago, the Holy Bible clearly recorded that the earth is round and that it is hung on nothing.
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth" (Isa. 40:22).
"He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7).

Yet, the Qur�an challenges these established scientific facts. In many places, it alludes to the fact that the earth is flat and its mountains are like poles which create a balance so that the Earth does not tilt. Let us consider what the Qur�an says about the Earth:

In chapter 88:17,20, it is recorded,
"Will they not regard the camels how they are created...and the Earth how it is spread?"

In page 509, the Jalalan says,
"In his phrase, �how it is spread�, he denotes that the earth is flat. All the scholars of Islamic law agree upon this. It is not round as the physicists claim."

The Qur�anic teaching is obvious from the comment of Jalalan that "the earth is flat and not round as the scientists claim". What made Jalal al-Din say so is that the Qur�an hints in many chapters that the earth is flat(refer to 19:6, 79:30, 18:7, and 21:30). Also the Qur�an indicates that:

"We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake so as not to sway and hurt people" (21:31).
Scholars who agree upon the meaning of this verse believe as the Jalalan states (pp. 270-271),
"God has founded firm mountains on earth lest it shake people."

On page 429, al-Baydawi says,
"God has made firm mountains on earth lest it sway people and quake. He also made heaven as a ceiling and kept it from falling down!"

The Zamakhshari agrees with the above authors and reiterates the same words (refer to Zamakhshari part 3, p. 114).

In the Qur�an (chapter 50:7), we find another verse which carries the same meaning,

"And the earth have we spread out, and have flung firm hills therein" (Surah Qaf: 7).

This is accompanied by the same comment by the above Muslim scholars (refer to Jalalan, p. 437; Baydawi, p. 686, Tabari, p. 589, and Zamakhshari, part 4, p. 381). All of them assure us that "if it were not for these unshakable mountains, the earth would slip away."

Zamakhshari, the Baydawi and the Jalalan say: "God has built heaven without pillars but He placed unshakable mountains on Earth lest it tilts with people." Concerning chapter 50:7, the Suyuti says that scholars indicate that "Qaf is a mountain which encompasses the entire earth" (refer to Itqan, part 3, p. 29). Qaf is an Arabic L like K.

These are the comments of the ancient Muslim scholars word for word. Even some Saudi scholars wrote a book a few years ago to disprove the spherical aspect of the earth and they claimed that it is a myth, agreed with the above mentioned scholars, and said we must believe the Qur�an and reject the spherical aspect of the earth.

It is also well-known that the Qur�an proclaims that there are seven earths�not just one (refer to the commentary of the Jalalan, p. 476, al-Baydawi, p. 745 as they interpret chapter 61:12, Surah Divorce: 1 2

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Reply 		Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt 31)
Kuffar (one who hides the truth) Shirker salaudinnynj you have said: Concerning Deuteronomy chapter eighteen, I have given you more than 15 reasons as to how this prophecy refers to Muhammad and NOT to Jesus.

Starjade says: Well now there is an interesting thing. Your thread should be of how Muhammad has claimed that he is that Prophet that God has promised Moses eh would raise up. So that would mean you could prove your claims for Muhammad which you have not. You have given the Islamic view but it is just not good enough and instead Muhammad is proven to be a Fraud and a liar and a Deciever of men. If Muhammad had been that prophet that God had promised Moses he would raise up then he should have been able to prove that with some form of evidence. But there is not evidence for Muhammad only evidence against Muhammad.

It is then odd that you should say that this Prophecy refers to Muhammad and not Jesus. Of course you are saying that because you know that Jesus has claimed himself to being that prophet that the Living God has promised Moses he would raise up. And the Christians and his disciples did just as you have done with Muhammad and the Christian iris as you well know has already given a discourse on How Jesus has claimed himself to be that prophet that God has promised Moses he would raise up. And do you know at no time did she feel any need to even mention Mad Muhammad in her Christian Proclomations. In fact she only may have mentioned his name due to my prompting and conversations. But Iris simple showed her Christians religious beliefs and confined them all to reference of jesus and not that that of the beliefs of other religions.

Starjade says: The Christians believe that Jesus is that very prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And as Muhammad believed in Jesus then that matter is very odd. And as the Koran glorifies Jesus and claims that jesus is who Jesus is claiming himself to be. Well you really do have to mention Jesus when making your claims about Muhammad who stupidly believed that jesus was the Prophet that jesus has claimed himself to be.

Which unfortunately for Muhammad and Muslims world wide the Prophet that jesus has claimed to be and long before Moses made his own insane claims. Is the prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

So whiles you claim that Muhammad is that Prophet and whiles Muhammad is claiming himself to be that prophet and whiles the Koran is glorifying jesus as being that prophet as well as every other Christian on earth then how can you then say that this prophecy was referring to Muhammad when Muhammad himself believed in jesus as does the Koran as being that prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be


Sheesh it is all swings and roundabouts. It must be such a shock and one of the biggest error in the Koran when Muhammad believed in jesus and yet Jesus was claiming that he was the very same Prophet that Muhammad has claimed himself to be and that just cannot be a fact they could not both be that Prophet God only promised to raise up one Prophet and it certainly was not Muhammad and that fact has already been proven.

If you want to read up again the claims by the Christians you can see they give many reasons why Jesus was likened to Muhammad and those matters are things that you as a Muslim have intentionally opverlooked. So I am pointing them all out to you and advise that you go read all of this Christian thread of how the Christians say that Jesus was Prophesied by Moses and Isaiah. And you can read how they claim that Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

Author The Christian Iris: .
Christian Discourse on how Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua) By The Christian Iris:
p074.ezboard.com/fdesivoi...=455.topic


salaudinnynj you have said
1. The Christian theologians are ignorant of even the "name of God. Because "God" is not a name, and "Father" is also not a name. See what is his name>jamaat.net/name/nameintro.htm

Starjade says: Well gee that really is nit picking why don�t you Shirker salaudinnynj start replying to answer about all those many errors in the Koran that you are ignoring before you become so snotty.

Tell me something does this error exist in the Koran now come on you can tell me does this error exist in the Koran. Of course it does and that is why you a Muslim is now having to mention those matters and find some convenient explanation that fits you and your world but (sigh0 there is no excuse there is no explanation there is only the truth and that is something you cannot escape even if you deny.

Verse 122: The 4th error in the text of the Koran is that it glorifies Jesus and does accept Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples claimed Jesus to be. The writers of the Koran seem blissfully unaware, as are many Muslims, that Jesus has claimed that he was that very Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. And Jesus claimed that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about him in their Prophecies, regarding the coming of the living God�s prophesied Prophet because that is who Jesus has claimed himself to be. The Koran contains highly revering text about Jesus and even describes miracles that Jesus was claimed to have performed, Sura 5:110. No less than 11 Chapters of the Koran out of its 114 Chapters mention Jesus and his teachings. So the Koran is confirming the status of Jesus as being that very Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. This is a very serious error from an Islamic point of view whose writers were unaware of the claims that Jesus had been making and of the reflection that claim would have upon the claims of their own Prophet Muhammad. Their glorification of Jesus in the Koran puts Muhammad in a very awkward position with his own proclamations from an Islamic point of view.

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Wtf does the name of the topic mean? :eek

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Reply 		Islam has fallen.
Shirker salaudinnynj believed that this thread showed absolute proof that Muhammad was who he had claimed himself to be. For this is the belief of all Muslims worldwide I have heard these words before and in greater detail. So when he copied cut and pasted them off the net he believed that this evidence would be irrefutable because this was after all what all Muslims believe and is the backbone of Islamic belief. So he thought this would silence me. Hence he gave this thread a silly name. Adding his personall spite and hopes and dreams onto the end of the Title.

But just because he was brainwashed to believe such deceptions that does not make those deceptions true. And so when he or any Muslim presents such statements as evidence of their self appointed Prophet Muhammad or to defend their religious beliefs then they are going to always be proven to be untrue.

But as Shirker salaudinnynj is so convinced then he thought that I would not be able to argue against this so called evidence and that then would bring about my silence and glory back to his Golden calf of Islam.

Unfortunately for him I am a prolific writer with Time on my hands and with a point to make and so as an example for the Muslim Shirker salaudinnynj. I am answering all this text and showing Islam and their religious leaders that if they stand in my way then I will easily eat them for breakfast. So my reply is also a warning to them.

From being finished it is Islam that is finished and I am someone who can and does convert Muslims and with such ease Islam should be embarrassed. And it the worse for them because I have the Living Gods authority to demand an account from them. Even if they do not reply I still win in those arguments for I will know that they are aware of my point. And their religious leaders would be the wise not to argue and stand in my way. They will only make the matter worse for themselves.
:harp

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Reply 		Islam has fallen. Starjades reply (pt32)
CHAPTER FOUR New Testament Also Confirms
Baptist Contradicts Jesus

:music The Lord King Starjade says: Erm scuse me but isn�t this thread about how you claim Muhammad can prove that Moses foretold of his coming. Well Moses is written about in the Old Testament not the Christians new Testament. So (cough) when are we going to see this evidence that Moses foretold of the coming of the false Prophet Muhammad then. Isnt it a fact that in this Blabberwocking of yours there is no actual proof. Was this all you had to say then about Muhammads claims. Well clearly then I have not been impressed.

Salaudinnynj you say:
In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfilment of the prophecy of 'ONE LIKE MOSES', refer John 1:19-25. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:

Starjade says: What you mean is that when Jesus claimed that he was that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up then this came to the attention of the Jews. After all anyone making such a claim would have to be that Prophet otherwise then they would be Guilty of Blasphemy which is a crime of iniquity and Sin. That is punishable by death even in these Times. Though not often enforced ( after all who cares ?) I have noticed often that this deceptive way you avoided mentioning the fact that Jesus claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And how Muslim do not mention that fact to their congregations but misguide their religious knowledge by claiming the word Messiah or son of God is all Jesus claimed himself to be. Which of course the misguided Muslim does not realise.

Quote from The Fulfillment of the many Prophesied signs in the Heavens.

Verse. 68: There is a great misunderstanding amongst a wide variety of religious cultures regarding the true Biblical meaning of the coming of the Messiah. Many cultures have been brainwashed and indoctrinated since childhood into believing one fantasy after another that was suitable to someone�s personal religious belief about who exactly the Messiah really is, and when he would arrive here on this Planet. It was written down in the Old Testament that the living God warned in a Prophecy that at a Time in the future a serious Cataclysm would occur on this Planet and just as it was in the days of Noah, there would be an extinction of the species. So the living God has said that he would raise up a Prophet, as a Savior who would gather up all the Jews from the four corners of the globe and he would lead those people to a new promised land and to him you should listen for he is the only one who could save you. So whatever your religious beliefs that Doomsday Prophet is the Savior and that is who the true Messiah really is. Apart from that nobody could know who that Prophet would be, only those who lived in that future nearer to those End of Times could know that information, but it was foretold that their would be many Signs in the heavens and there certainly has been many very rare Signs fulfilling that Prophecy. It is incalculable as to when all those Signs could ever come into alignment, if ever again. By then this Planet would certainly be extinct.

Starjade continues. So in fact this name Messiah is the Title given to the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. No matter who that person is they are that Messiah. So whosoever that can be proven to be that prophet is the Messiah. The name Messiah is not another name for Jesus at all. The only reason Jesus gets a mention by that name is because as you well know. Jesus claimed that he is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. So he was nicknamed the Messiah. Now as Mad Muhammad of the misguided Muslims claims that he is that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up. Then in the muslims tiny closed world then Muhammad is the Messiah. Of course they associate that Messiah name mainly with Jesus because after all Jesus was around long before Muhammad claiming that he was that Messiah.

Salaudinnynj you said: ( In your own words) When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews.
Starjade says: see the Messiah is not Jesus. It is the Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Do you understand that.

Salaudinnynj you said: In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfilment of the prophecy of 'ONE LIKE MOSES',

Starjade says: The Jews were waiting for that Prophet in the Old Testament. In the New Testament the Jews got impatient and so they tried to fulfil that Prophecy for themselves. The whole of the New testament is a claim that Jesus was that prophet. But that was only a small section of Jews. The mainstream Jews did not believe that jesus was that Prophet hence Jesus was accused of Blasphemy and arrested and executed for that crime (just as Muhammad should have been according to religious law. The Jews continued on waiting for that prophet even 2000 years after the death of Jesus. Until that prophet arrived on this Planet and contacted the jews way back in 1995. Now that waiting is over.

Salaudinnynj you said:
refer John 1:19-25. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:

Starjade says: hahaha I would be very careful about listening to Jewish belief. Hahaha many of those Jews also believed Jesus was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Hell some of those Jews even promoted Jesus as being that prophet.

And Jesus was not the last for there was also Sabbatia Levi who was an ascetic who studied the Talmud and the Kabbala from the age of 22. He had convinced himself and others that he was that prophesied Doomsday Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. Apparently, the Kabbalists had been the ones responsible for promoting this false Messiah even though Sabbatai Zevi had in the past-violated Jewish law and had been expelled from many Jewish communities. The reason I heard that he had been accepted as being that prophesied Prophet was simply because his birth date was on the 9th of Ab which some deluded Jews had decided was going to be that long awaited Prophets birth date.

Starjade continues: So you would be the wise to take what a Jew says with a pinch of salt. Sabbatai Zevi was arrested and charged with blasphemy by the Muslims. But you know what they are like they ignored Old Testament law and they offered him a choice. Either you follow Islam or die. You know the usual choice that Muslims are given to enforce them to follow Islam. There is no point in denial of these things I say for they are all facts.

Well now hear the word of the real Doomsday prophet Starjade. Stop listening to those stupid Jews and hear the words of their King instead. It is not what the jews think about anything. They are the sheep not the Shepherd. Instead listen only to the Living God and what the Living God said with regards to that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Now did the living God mention any names. Isnt it a written fact that nobody knew who that messiah would be. Oh please let us use that other Title the Doomsday Prophet so we don�t get all silly in religious delusions from past propagandas. So if God says this then that is what God says and not what some Jackass Jews say. The Living God is the one doing the confirming not any Jew for only God has that authority.


Salaudinnynj you said:
".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST." (Matthew 17:11-13).

Starjade says: Now scuse me a minute but what exactly has this got to do with mad Muhammad claiming himself to being that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Where is that evidence. It seems you want to become a Christian instead of a Kuffar (one who hides the truth) Muslim.

Now isn�t that a funny one: talk about John the Baptist. Now that is an odd form of evidence to show and say oh please believe in our Idol the Prophet Muhammad because Jesus said things about john the Baptist. (sigh)

Salaudinnynj you said:
According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to swallow the words of any would-be Messiah.

Starjade says: (cough splutter) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahah oh please Salaudinnynj you are making me laugh so much that I fear I may blast out my nose goo out over the computer screen. Hahahahahahahahahaha. And many Jews did swallow those tales of fantasy didn�t they. ?

Salaudinnynj you said:
In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: "AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) "WHEN THE JEWS SENT PRIESTS AND LEVITES FROM JERUSALEM TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? AND HE CONFESSED AND DENIED NOT; BUT CONFESSED, I AM NOT THE CHRIST." (This was only natural because there can't be two Messiahs1 at the same time.

Starjade says: Now Salaudinnynj why don�t you explain what this thread is about. Isn�t it about your self appointed prophet Muhammad claiming himself to be that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up is the Messiah and Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming themselves to be that very specific Prophet. And by your own words at last the sun is shining a light through for it is true there can only be one Messiah.

Oh by the way the Priests were the Levites.

And there is a misconception of words here. For no man could ever be the Christ. The Christ was a name given to the Sacred Key to heaven and Hell this very fruit grew upon the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. It is a Red and White Fly Agaric mushroom that has amazing transcendental properties. That is what the Christ is. But most of the Jews of that Time did not know that information. They had heard of the Christ but did not know what is was. Hence the uncertainty in their inquiries.

The Christ Mushroom is unusual in that it is born without seed and can grow in a day and can die in a night. But if you wait around after 3 days it will resurrect itself. This is the actual meaning of the birth death and resurrection spoken of in Christians Bibles. It is a long story and probably well too deep for you. But well hearken to my words with these revelations.

Salaudinnynj you said:
If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn't be the Christ!) "AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT." (Here John the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says that John is "Elias" and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. One of the TWO (Jesus or John), God forbid!, is definitely not speaking the TRUTH! On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophets: "VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, AMONG THEM THAT ARE BORN OF WOMEN THERE HAS NOT RISEN A GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST:... "(Matthew 11:11).

Starjade says: erm scuse me but what has any of this got to do with this claim you have have made that this thread will prove that Muhammad was Prophesied by Deuteronomy as being that Prophet that God promised moses eh would raise up then. Huh where is that evidence. ? Neither Jesus or John the Baptist could be the Christ. Be wary of those who say they are the Christ for they are liars for the Christ is a Mushroom or at least a name for a Mushroom.

And while we speak of Jesus and john the Baptist let me educate you. The Angel Gabriel was the one it is claimed, who appeared to authenticate Jesus and John the Baptist. They were both born the same, so it is claimed by the same divine intervention.

Verse. 88: The next mentioning of Gabriel exists in the Christians New Testament and came from a disciple of Jesus called Luke in Chapter one of the beginnings of his proclamation for his master Jesus, he wrote a tale of a Priest called Zacharias, who according to the custom of the Priests office had gone into the Temple to burn incense. Luke claimed in his Testimony that an Angel called Gabriel had appeared to Zacharias and stood on the right side of the Alter of incense. When Zacharias saw this Angel, he was troubled and fear fell upon him. Luke then says that this Angel told Zacharias not to be afraid and that the Angel made promises that Zacharias old wife would fall pregnant and give birth to a child that he should name John. Luke then says in Chapter 1 Verse 19: And the Angel answering said unto him I am Gabriel who stand in the presence of God and am sent to speak unto thee and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Verse 89: When Zacharias came out of the Temple he could not speak, so it was perceived that he had seen this vision that Luke the disciple of Jesus had explained as he narrated this story. Luke claims in Chapter 1 Verse 26 that an Angel called Gabriel appeared again. Verse 26: And in the sixth month the Angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazereth. Verse 27: To a Virgin espoused to a man who�s name was Joseph of the house of David: and the Virgins name was Mary. Luke then claims this Angel Gabriel told Mary that the Holy Ghost would come upon her and she would fall pregnant to a Son of the living God who shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his Kingdom there shall be no end. Luke further explains that Mary arose in those days and went to the hill country into the city of Judah and then she entered the house of the Priest Zacharia and then Luke claims that Mary suddenly became pregnant by the Holy Ghost. Hence Luke the disciple of Jesus began the tale of the Virgin birth of Jesus and of John the Baptist, of whom they had planned on portraying at length as Holy men, as the main stories of their New Testaments.
Salaudinnynj you said: On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophets: "VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, AMONG THEM THAT ARE BORN OF WOMEN THERE HAS NOT RISEN A GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST:... "(Matthew 11:11).

Starjade says: Clearly then none of those two has ever heard of Moses the greatest Prophet of them (all apart from Starjade). And do not forget that these are not things that jesus has said just because you see such words in a roman Christians bible. All along it is the writer of that story who is saying these things about what he says Jesus has said.

Still though I find it odd that you should go yappling on about Jesus and John as a way of trying to prove that Muhammad was that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Why don�t you just show the evidence that Muhammad must have to make such claims instead. ?
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