not_filo says, "After this chat is over, I know what I'M doing..."

clubfoundersclub says, "I'm open to other options."

Secretive__ says, "cfc: well my clubs aren't big into the chat room usage, they usually hold impromptu messenger conferences"

mistybunny : try CheetaChat - the best chat software for Yahoo - With text blends, custom avatars, and more, you won't be sorry! - http://www.cheetachat.com

clubfoundersclub says, "like could I use mIRC here?"

mistybunny says, "there you go not_filo"

mistybunny says, "LOL"

mistybunny says, "no CFC I dont' think so"

clubfoundersclub says, "I have a world of updated versions of mIRC and a ton of wavs"

clubfoundersclub says, "would be terrific if I could"

valerie_008 says, "I use CheetaChat because I can save the whole chat as a file"

Secretive__ says, "cfc: I wish, would give us founders a bit more flexibility on room control if yahoo had an IRC backdoor to the chats"

clubfoundersclub says, "yes, the kick ban and the outside message control"

clubfoundersclub says, "not to mention being able to keep a running transcript"

clubfoundersclub says, "with time/date stamp from cmos"

Secretive__ says, "plus you could host chats without folks having to join your club to participate on the one or two topics of chats they may want ot listen in on"

OldOnliner says, "Yes... the really BIG problem with Club Chat events is there are no moderation controls. Delphi's chat is nice as an online community bundled service."

clubfoundersclub says, "you mean "keyword" join?"

clubfoundersclub says, "anyone see what E-GRoups offers?"

Secretive__ says, "cfc: with an IRC server backdoor, people could join in the announced chats that way without going through the club itself, they would only have to go on through mIRC"

not_filo says, "Egroups has a good message board (good being a relative word)"

OldOnliner says, "Anyone in Yahoo chat can break into here without joining the club. At least they used to be able to."

clubfoundersclub says, "or do they even have chat...darn it, I get get over there one of these days just to see what we're getting"

valerie_008 says, "I vote for PAID CHAT - make money whlie you chat..."

clubfoundersclub says, "LOL"

Secretive__ says, "valerie: you mean I could get a penny per word I typed?"

valerie_008 says, "would be a good spam..."

clubfoundersclub says, "I am not going to pay you for your pearls of commentary"

Secretive__ says, "can you imagine my piggy bank after a talkative chat session???!!!"

clubsproducer says, "hi all!"

OldOnliner says, "http://www.egroups.com/group/Yclubmerger"

clubfoundersclub says, "Hi Warren"

not_filo says, "I think they should put in a bot that just spouts "A/S/L?" at random. actually, I think they already do."

clubsproducer says, "how are you all tonight?"

clubfoundersclub says, "Grab him, tie him down."

Secretive__ says, "<--- wee bit slow running on the comments showing up from my side"

* debbie91949 enters.

clubfoundersclub says, "who ever is running voice, could you please turn it off."

Secretive__ says, "Warren: I'm doing ok... how you gearin' up for this chat session with all us folks?"

clubsproducer says, "sorry if i seem spacy..."

clubsproducer says, "hope that's ok..."

clubfoundersclub says, "well, you have put in a full day of work"

clubsproducer says, "so anything on your minds?"

clubsproducer says, "i'm in the office"

Secretive__ says, "well... spacey is ok with me"

mistybunny says, "what a loaded question warrne"

clubsproducer says, "sadly no..."

clubsproducer says, ""

OldOnliner says, "Well... prominent in my mind is what happened to Valerie and what I discovered last week and this week regarding account security. But that's not really club related."

clubfoundersclub says, "btw, I am not seeing anything I type at this moment."

clubsproducer says, "yeah, unfortunately account security is a big concern"

clubfoundersclub says, "that's one of the things we think voice does for us"

geo_pocahontas says, "old, i think it is, if it causes us to lose clubs"

clubsproducer says, "and one i really want to improve, but not really within my realm to do much about"

clubsproducer says, "although i am working with the reg folks to improve our security"

OldOnliner says, "The lack of a confirmation on one clicking the UNLIST CLUB link is something that should be addressed."

clubsproducer says, "yes.... i mentioned that before"

clubsproducer says, "that we do need to add confirmation pages to all things that are irreversible"

valerie_008 says, "It seems that deleted clubs are REALLY deleted"

clubfoundersclub says, "good"

* Garrit_Sherova enters

clubsproducer says, "yes... deleted clubs are really deleted"

Secretive__ says, "Warren: could you explain a bit more about 'toggling' sections within our clubs at a later date?"

clubsproducer says, "sorry about that valerie... the other club should be back to it's old self now though..."

debbie91949 says, "Yes, unlisting clubs, promoting members to founder when you really wanted to delete that member ..."

mistybunny says, "hey...maybe an automatic letter can be sent to the founders when someone clicks the unlisted link OR the delete the club link...then the founders have to make that decision???"

OldOnliner says, "Warren.. Unlisting isn't irreversible... we've seen that time and again. So.. why not reverse for those folks who hit the wrong thing?"

valerie_008 says, "Yes. "

OldOnliner says, "Bingo, Debbie!"

clubsproducer says, "it's reversible, but not an easy process"

clubsproducer says, "we need to reset some flags on a couple different fronts"

clubsproducer says, "involves the directory too..."

clubsproducer says, "but actually, that's one of the things we're considering"

clubsproducer says, "with the eGroups merger"

clubsproducer says, "they have that ability, we don't"

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clubsproducer says, "so we want to allow folks to go back and forth?"

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clubsproducer says, "listed and unlisted?"

clubfoundersclub says, "cool"

clubsproducer says, "we're pretty divided on that at the moment"

Secretive__ says, "Warren: I think at times a club tries that route then rgrets it"

OldOnliner says, "Flags for such things as the old re-list link trick garrit and i discovered back in april?"

geo_pocahontas says, "i think within a short period of time when its accidental going back should be an option"

clubfoundersclub says, "Just to plug a personal issue...is there anyway you can reinstate Valerie's clubs?"

Secretive__ says, "if they had the ability to list themself someway I think they wouldn't mind being "private" as much"

clubsproducer says, "the old trick listed and unlisted one part"

clubsproducer says, "but didn't reset everything properly"

clubsproducer says, "nice find though "

weafz1 says, "this might make a problem...I am a founder of a couple of unlisted clbs..and I dont think many of the members would like that because they wrote the posts thinking only members can read"

clubsproducer says, "i relisted valerie's existing clubs"

clubsproducer says, "but the one that was deleted is sadly delted"

clubfoundersclub says, "yah, but we're talking about an Unlist within 24 hours, not 24 weeks"

Garrit_Sherova says, "is it still possible to relist hacked clubs?"

Secretive__ says, "weafz: I was thinking making it optional to the founder to hae the club name listed but the members part (including the message board area) remain unlisted"

not_filo says, "I agree with Weafz. A lot of people (I assume) post things in unlisted clubs that they would never say if they knew just anyone could see it."

debbie91949 says, "What about different levels of "listed" ... one where anyone can join any old time, a second "listed" level requiring a prospective member to e-mail the founder and ask to be invited."

OldOnliner says, "Weafz... we're talking about mistaken clicks making a club unlisted. I'll bet that happens everyday.. Warren?"

clubfoundersclub says, "nod, I suppose that's some consolation"

clubsproducer says, "yes, perhaps there should be a grace period"

clubsproducer says, "but i think that's not a real fix"