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Tight Drum Loops (How To)

 <<when I loop let's say a drum beat after sequencing it, I'm having trouble making the loop flow. Either I let the last note breathe and a bar of silence is added, or I have to cut off the last note just so that it will loop, making it very noticeable when it loops.

Is there anyway I can loop a sequence and still make it flow? Thank ya mucho! >>

Yo!

What's up all - this is an old question, but one I thought I could address correctly.

It sounds like you may be the victim of any number of problems in making smooth loops; from my analysis and experience, there are 4 things you need to have a smooth loop:

  1. Matched tempo
  2. Smooth zero-cross at loop point
  3. Matched "room ambience"/ reverb at loop in and out
  4. Smooth "internal" loop tempo

What the hell's all this? Lemme explain.

1) Let's say your song tempo is 120bpm. If your loop is 124 bpm, well, it's going to be off - and noticeably so after a bar or so; Best advice is to tweak your loop up or down using the pitch transpose on the pads and then fine tune it. If you really want to get it tight, have your loop play for 4 bars nonstop, i.e., without re-triggering, and get it close that way. If it can stay tight for 4 bars, you'll have no problem;

But, retrigger your loop! If it's a 1 bar loop, retrigger it every bar and quantize - that way you know it'll be as tight as possible. Of course, if you want your loops to be *really* tight, export them to ACID and use that proggie, but that's a whole nother topic...

Even if your tempos don't exactly match, you still should have some leeway. Depending on the style of production, etc., you may not even give 2 shizznitz. I heard some hip hop on the radio the other day that the loops MUST have been purposefully out of tune - it was amazing.

The more loops you have laid one over the other, the more important it is to get this tight - use a REFERENCE - i.e., the ASR's click. Tune all your loops to this reference.

2) If you don't have a smooth zero-cross, you will get a click; set the Auto-zero cross to ON on the X.

3) If you have this huge reverb on the track (a drum track, let's say) and it cuts off every time your sound restarts, that may give you problems; my advice is to add some room reverb to the sound (just send the track or pad thru your effects). This will smooth out any rough edges. Another trick is to do like you were doing - cutting the loop off and letting it breathe for a bar; I often cut it off on beat 4 of the bar.

Also, you can chop up your loop into pieces - get a well tuned loop, copy it (parameters) to 4 different pads; set the start points of each of those loops to 0%, 25%, 50% and 74% - freak around with this - it's way cool

4) If the drummer sucks in your loop, or is off time internally - perhaps beat 2 is a little ahead on loop #1 and behind on loop #2 - this can give you problems (if you've ever used an unedited version of the Funky Drummer, you know what I'm talking about...) See the above tip to get around this - but regardless, use your EARS and your GUT. If you ain't bobbin' yo head, it ain't happening.

 

CHOPPING YER LOOP

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The only only ONLY way to get your loop from a transfer to the proper length is as follows:

When you sample the thing, sample the full loop, PLUS another beat - if you stop your recording/ transfer of the loop before the actual next starting point of the loop, you're screwed - even a few samples off can make a difference. For example - your drum loop gooes:

ooma-tss-n-paaaaa ooma-oom-pa
ooma-tss-n-paaaaa ooma-oom-pa

When you transfer (I'm assuming you're recording or resampling to the X) let the friggin thing play once ALL the way thru the loop AND into the downbeat of the next repetition. THEN, go back and trim your loop RIGHT on the down beat (the "ooma" I'm assuming)

To tweak it even more, put it in SoundForge and ACID. (To go to the next level, this is the only way - using a GUI sound editor like Forge, CoolEdit, Wavelab, etc.)

Of course, this all applies if you're resampling from the X's sequencer too (a nice way to get tight-ass loops)

 

Happy Looping!

 

Unkhakook.

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