ARCHIVED INFORMATION of all old reports of churches as old as the year 2000.
All these reports below have little relevance.
The only purpose is to see what these first drafts looked like
before they were edited. When I began in 2000, I could fit all the churches
on 2 Notepad files which is 7,000 words. By the time I finished the web site
early 2003 there were not 2 Notepad files but seventy. Which grew to over 60,000
words that I had personally typed.
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SPECIAL MEETINGS.
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TIM HALL MEETING AOG Spring 140 people Tuesday Including Westside and Victory
Pastors. Interesting quote of Hall “Those of you who feel the anointing
over you stand.” (Half stand up.) “ Now come out the front.”
(Many slain.)
SINGLES SOLO’S Address: Dr Price Little St 7pm First Friday of month. 1. # of people: 22 2. Empty chairs: 20 3. Type of person: Never married, rest divorced. 4. Class: Not scrubbers, attractive. 5. Kids: 0 6. Ages: 25-60 7. Men: 7 8. Offering:$3 charge for coffee, room is free rent. 9. Late arrivals: 3 10. Interesting info: Meeting was very much “What would you like to do, let’s do it!” 11. Date & Time spent: Inaugral meeting 8/9/00 7pm-9pm. 12. When service finished. 8.55pm. 13. This & other service times: 7pm. 14. Preacher: Leader has Church of Christ North background. 15. Feeling: Warm, enthusiastic. 16. Their belief: All Christians from Evangelical or Charismatic groups.
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ABUNDANT Life Fellowship. 1. 72 people (last year was only 48 people, growth
due to awareness of church’s existance via big time preachers like Jesse
Du Plantis etc...) 2. 130 seats. 60% full. 3. Classic “Word” Christians,
none of this hocus pocus Pensacola stuff thank you. Blue collars! Conventional
acountants too. 4. Working or office. 5. Quite a few. 6. Cross section. 7. 60%
prob. 8. Ran out n/let. 9. - 10. Jesse Duplantis got $12,000 in offerings last
week for one night meeting only. Making $18,000 as $6,000 was already met to
cover costs by one individual. 11. 60 mins 2/7/00 12. - 13. 10am. Had no night
service until recently. Except last Sunday of month it’s 6pm. 14. Ps Ray
Gale comes from various ministry positions before. 15. OK, bit old. 16. Charismatic
(means they speak in toungues and lay hands on sick for direct healing.) Ray
was yet again talking about the material blessings one can claim from scripture
as did Duplantis previous night. Big followers of Kenneth Copeland.
ALF 6PM
AGAPE missing 10am
No pm service.
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ANGLICAN
BEST ANGLICAN 107 PEOPLE AT ST ALBANS ANGLICAN AT Hill St. 2. It was 90% full!
3. Very nice people. 4. Normal people. 5. Lots of kids. 6. Good cross section
of families. 7. 50% men prob. 8. Quote from their newsletter “The parish
accounts would have been overdrawn by $558 if all accounts had been paid.”
14/5/00
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100 “PARISHIONERS” OR PEOPLE AT ARTHURS ST ANGLICAN. Rev Richard Tutin.
60% Fairholme students there who come there all the time during term. 85% capacity.
I was the only man who was below the age of 60 so the girls had a good look
at me. So much so I couldn’t look at them. No young families. No kids.
Really middle class being on the range of Toowoomba. PFOC: Cute, curious, tradional.
14/5/00
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ST BARTHOLOMEWS 7.30AM. 1. 35? people. 2. 30% capacity. 3. Type: Older charismatic
anglicans. 4. Class? Middle. 5. Kids? None 6. Ages? 50+ 7. Men 40? % 8. Weekly
offering? n/list. 21/5/00 13. 7am Thursday: 14. Preacher: Rev Richard Tutin
15. Feeling: Warm traditional.16. Their belief: Charismatic.
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ST BARTHOLOMEWS Charismatic Anglican. 9.30am Sund Spring & Ramsay St 1.
# of people: 148 (48 kids and 100 adults due to Arch Bishop Peter Hollingworth
being there.) 103 people normally. (3/9/00) (Counted twice 3/9/00 105 people
including kids.) 2. Empty chairs: Prob 5%. 3. Type of person: Older Charismatic
Anglicans. 4. Class: Middle. 5. Kids: 48 Kids. 6. Ages: 0-80yrs. 7. Men: 50%
8. Offering: Last week $2827 Pledge income. (Budget figure $3846) Loose Collection
$785. (Budget figure $692.) Of all 4 churches in parish. 9. Late arrivals: ?
10. Interesting info: Archbishop Peter Hollingworth there for Patron Festival.
This church is very alive. They talk about getting people saved and missions
excitedly. 11. Time spent: 9.40am-10am 12. When service finished. 11.15am 13.
This & other service times: 9.30am. 7.30am 14. Preacher: Rev Richard Tutin
15. Feeling: Very warm, huge kids presentation. 16. Their belief: Traditional
and Charismatic. Vision they like to talk about is having a 2500 auditorium.
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ST BARTS MONTHLY NIGHT PRAISE AND WORSHIP Address: Stenner & Ramsay. 1.
# of people: 87 2. Empty chairs: 15% 3. Type of person: Same 4. Class: Same
5. Kids: Quite a few 16-22yo. 6. Ages: Surprising to see oldies come out at
night. 7. Men: 50% 8. Offering: 4 churches $4998 pledge (Budget $4538) 9. Late
arrivals:- 10. Interesting info: Quite a pleasant evening of meaningful chorus’s,
darkened church, candle march to Amy Grant song, group candle lighting/ flower
planting, very meaningful faith true life stories in between, no preaching.
11. Date & Time spent: 17/9/00 6pm-9pm (Supper) 12. When service finished.
8.30pm 13. This & other service times: 6.30pm 3rd Sunday of month. 7.30am
9.30am 14. Preacher: Rev’d Richard Harris 15. Feeling: Warm, worshipful,
enjoying. 16. Their belief: Charismatic. Evangelical.
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40 PEOPLE AT DRAYTON ANGLICAN 7AM. Mostly older people, no Blackburns there
though. Capacity was 68%. I stopped at sign post for St Mary’s but it wasn’t
open yet. Bit above common class. 50% men. No kids. PFOC: Quaint, lifeless.
14/5/00
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DRAYTON ANGLICAN. 2nd service 1. 57 people. 2. 80% capacity. 3. Type: Older
people but for Deanne Titmarsh types at Christenings. 4. Class? Middle lower.
5. Kids? 15% 0-8 6. Ages? Young families 60% due christening. 7. Men 40 % 8.
Weekly offering? Not listed. 21/5/00
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ST JAMES ANGLICAN RUSSEL AND MORT ST. 1. 87 people. 2. 65%. 3. I saw a long
haired “git” 25 yo dad pushing a pram with wife. 4. Being a typical
church close to any of the CBD they always are a bit lower class. 5. 75% young
families!! 7. 35% prob. 8. -, $432 given this week for ABM. $4000 raised for
cancer fund morning tea. 9. - 10. The small back closed door is the entrance
if your late. Saw my old school teacher there who I had no idea he was a Christian.
11. 28/5/00 About 9.55am-9.55am (Had to rush due to so many churches held at
this time.) 12. - 13. 9.30am? 7.30am? No night I’m sure. 14. 54you dark
hair thin hair. 15. Old, dark, cold. Should move in very modern hall next door.
16. Pretty dry, most Anglican clergy “have gone through Renewal” which
means being spirit filled but they never preach it.
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81 PEOPLE RUSSEL AND MORT ST ST JAMES ANGLICAN. One of the top administrators
estimated for me that there were 30-40 people at 7am service. Yes, sometimes
they underestimate themselves! Older middle class or moderately above common
class. Few kids. Couple of young families which is normal. PFOC: Stayed, quiet,
calm, old, traditional. 14/5/00
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ST MARKS ANGLICAN IN HIGH ST. 1. 90? (check writen chron paper) people. 2. 38%
capacity. 3. Type: Stayed types. 4. Class? Middle Middle. 5. Kids? Almost none.
6. Ages? 80% 50+ 7. Men 40? %
8. Weekly offering? They refuse to disclose in newsletter. 21/5/00
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ST MARYS ANGLICAN AT HARRISTOWN WITH 49 PEOPLE. 2. 40% FULL. 3. Dry types. 4.
loer midle 5. 1 baby. 6. All but one 50+. 7. 9 men. 8. -. 9. On time 10. A Christian
unity service will be at St Pats 6 June 2000 7.30pm for Uniting, Catholic, Anglican,
Lutherans with supper. 11. I was there for 30 mins from 8.30am-9am. 12. 8.30am
start. 13. Only service. 14. Preacher. Mark Carline? “The short straw got
drawn so I’m here.” 15. Bit old. I felt coldish. 16. Dry charismatic
wise.
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CHURCH AREA DINNER. 1. ST Marys Anglican. Some 80 people. 2. Old poorer. 4.
Working retired and country farmers. 5. Zero. 6. 50yo plus. four 25-35yo's.
7. 50% 8. - (No cost for r dinner, shared plate.) 9. No. 10. The dinner was
meant to provide open access to governing council but there was zero opportunity
to talk to them or other people and this was sadly lacking. 11. 6.30pm 30/6/00
(Wintery night.) 12. About 8.40pm. 13. M.C. only. Short. 14. - 15. Old timber
cold hall. 16. One farmer kept using word "bloody". Pretty dry.
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ST LUKES. Monthly night service. 1. # of people: 14 (23 official quote) 2. Empty chairs: We sat in choir seats only as church seats 2-300.) 3. Type of person: Older musical very traditional type. 4. Class: Middle 5. Kids: 0 6. Ages: 60+ 7. Men: 50% 8. Offering: Anglicans universally do poorly in all offerings. 9. Late arrivals: 0 10. Interesting info: Service consisted of tired, archaic, antiquated, time-lapsed, incredibly monotonous chanting prayers back and forth, extraordinarily dull & completely lifeless hymns. No preaching. Nice organ and Pastor. Although the minister seemed neither humble or happy. I hit my head 5 times on the seat in front of me out of pure frustration. The little boy in me managed to carve his initials into a pew with his fingernail. I wanted to drop my little book over the seat and go for a dive, like Mr. Bean. 11. Time spent: 6.45pm-7.45pm 12. When service finished. 7.40pm (The longest 40 mins of my life.) 13. This & other service times: 7pm 1st Sund of month only. 7am, 9.30am, 5.30pm. 14. Preacher: Rev’d Richard Tutin (Rector) 15. Feeling: Quote from my diary- “This is the worst service I have ever experienced in the entire Toowoomba district, possibly in my life. I hated it.” 16. Their belief: This is what they typically mean as being “High Anglican.” That religious culture and symbolism is satisfactory.
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ST LUKES ANGLICAN. Herries and Ruthven St. 5.30pm Service 1. # of people:7 2.
Empty chairs: We sat in left wing of church of some 48 seats on hard wooden
pews. 3. Type of person: People who like to be left alone. 4. Class: 2 singles,
middle. 5. Kids:0 6. Ages: 35-60yo 7. Men: 50% 8. Offering:$3829 Pledge Income.
(Budget figure $3846) $684 Loose Collection. (Budget figure $692) for all services
of whole parish including St Barts, St Lukes, All Saints and St Marks. 9. Late
arrivals: 1 10. Interesting info: Service consists of some not too bad hymns,
a message, communion. 11. Time spent: 5.45pm-6.20pm 12. When service finished.
6.10pm 13. This & other service times: 5.30pm. 7am, 9.30am, 7pm 1st Sund
monthly. 14. Preacher: Newsletter says they have a “Lay Minister –
Veterans Ministry. Terry Egan DCM” 15. Feeling: O.K. This type of religion
doesn’t work anymore though. 16. Their belief: “Low” Anglican
service. Most priests are spirit filled/ speak in tongues which they call “having
gone through renewal” but they almost never talk about their gift.
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7am service at St Lukes. Get this, I found a mere 25 people at the biggest and
oldest Anglican church at St Lukes at Herries and Ruthven St at some 15% capacity.
Mostly older people. Bit above common class. (BACC.) 70% women. No kids. Personal
Feeling of church (PFOC) : Hollow, cold, empty. 14/5/00
x 6.30AM. ST THOMAS at Jellicoe and Anne St. 1. 19 people.
2. 22 pews x 5 seats = 110. (But I would have estimated it at 35% so my estimates
of percentages filled are too complimentary.) 3. Fuddy duddys. 4. Local pensioners.
5. 0. 6. All old. 7. 8 men. 8. Not given. 9. -. 10. A good example of why there
should not be allowed a church like this in the future. It’s a poor little
church building that costs a lot to run for so few people. Combine them all
but the 2 most historical churches and have at least one decent church. The
Anglicans have a very strong history of building as close as possible to any
Catholic church and such again this is the case except the Catholic church moved
3 years ago and so should they. 11. 2 mins. 28/5/00 12. ? 13. 10am. 6.30am.
14. ? 15. Cold, dark, antiquaited, worn out. 16. Dry end of Anglicanism.
Sixteen churches I went to and the rest are listed under “b-6-60tu.w-m”
Wordperfect file as this Word KEEPS CRASHING.
x APOSTOLIC
NEW APOSTOLIC at Red Cross room with 5 people. 2. 10% 3. Saw Joy, Cathy Martineli’s
mum. 4. - 5. 1 10yo. 6. 60, 40, 52, 48. 7. Just pastor. 8. - 9. - 10. This church
has been around 6 months and has a big banner outside. 11. 5 mins (Told Ps I’d
only stay a few minutes.) 12. - 13. 10am 14. ? 15. Not alive. 16. Spirit filled.
x NEW APOSTOLIC Gostwyck off West near James Sts. 1. 21 people 2. 56 nice seats. 3. Traditionalists. 4. Middle. 5. 4 kids. 6. All. 7. 8 men, 9 women. 8.– 9. 3 did. 10. No hats on women but men in suits. 11. 10.15-10.30am 2/7/00 12. – 13. 10.30pm only. 14. – 15. Squeaky clean, cold, stayed. 16. The Geddes St Apostolics are a breakaway from them. World membership 5.5 million though not big in
xAIMISH EXIST IN TOOWOOMBA!! Bruce Vandersee’s sister in law Robin saw
this wife with full black clothing and without buttons with clothing covering
almost all of the body. The children were dressed similarly. Robin talked to
her as she used to live in America and recognised the clothing. She got invited
to their farm south of Toowoomba and they had a car, electricity, but few mod
cons at all. The husband talked incessantly about his religion and how they
came out of the Anglican church some years ago due to scriptural reasons. An
American Armish bishop came to their house in May 2000. He works in endeavour
supervising mentally challenged people.
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WESTSIDE Christian Church 1. 29 people. 2. 86 chairs. 3. Blue collar charismatics.
4. Thick skinned? People who have a problem and have need to hide in a small
church. 5. 9 kids. 6. Family age. 7. 7 men thus 13 women. 8. Zip. 9. ? 10. This
pastor has reputation of being just a bit hurtful to his parishioners. Has a
blind 9 yo daughter. 11. 7 mins. 10.05am 12. ? 13. 9.30pm and 6pm. 14. Ps Joe
Casey 15. They have a new but disused shopping centre building. Generally warm.
People bit cold. 16. Blue collar pentecostals.
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ASSEMBLY OF GOD SPRING ST 9.30am 1. # of people: 500 (Special Speaker Tim Hall
10/9/00) 2. Empty chairs: Approx 70% full. 3. Type of person: Due to poor management
of other charismatic churches there are many ex-C.O.C and Logus (T.C.C.) people.
4. Class: Good looking, middle class, almost no working class. Many Asians from
University. 5. Kids: 61 kids in Sunday School (439 people in church) 6. Ages:
Family 7. Men: No longer is there a higher ratio of women especially in Charismatic/
Pentecostal including Evangelical churches. Only in mostly Lutheran churches
are there single women mainly as the Anglicans couldn’t be bothered going
to church and unmarried women generally don’t even go the Catholic church
anymore. In AOG there can often be 60% men. 8. Offering: Garden City AOG do
$20,000 per week. 9. Late arrivals: Few. 10. Interesting info: AOG lead the
way for all churches musically. TCC lead the way politically , Uniting lead
the caring arm, Baptists lead the way as missionaries, AOG lead the way in Entertainment
and Music. 11. Date & Time spent: 10/9/00 10.30-12.00 12. When service finished.
About 11.30am 13. This & other service times: 9.30am & 6pm 14. Preacher:
Senior Pastor Fred Evans 15. Feeling: Highly positive. 16. Their belief: Original
Leaders in the Charismatic/ Pentecostal movement. You will almost never hear
tongues or even a loud over bearing prophecy in all Pentecostal churches –
the change began in early 1990’s.
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TCF $1000’S spent on songs over a year on 6 churches over 100 people each.
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AOG SPRING ST Youth Group age 18-24yo. 1. # of people: 75 (Guesstemated 72 heads
hidden!) 2. Empty chairs: Main auditorium but now have side curtains and rear
dividers. 3. Type of person: Blondes. 4. Class: Middle. 5. Kids: 3 x 15yo’s
6. Ages: 18-24yo 7. Men: - 8. Offering: Disgusting $125 love offering for evangelist
Russel Evans who preached 6 times. 9. Late arrivals: None. 10. Interesting info:
He banned new youth group members from going out with anybody for 6 months and
banned new Christians 12 months! Planet Shakers is a new youth movement coming
to Brisbane soon. 11. Time spent: 7pm-12.30am 12. When service finished.10pm!
13. This & other service times: 7.30pm 14. Preacher: Ps Alex 15. Feeling:
Bit “churchy” – same songs and preaching and offering 16. Their
belief: Pentecostal. Strong belief that formal youth big events will change
society.
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BAPTIST
280 people AT COMMUNITY BAPTIST! (Formerly Central Baptist Hume and Herries
Sts)) I was amazed. Apparently there’s not normally as many people there.
Due Mother’s day. 2. 93% capacity. (New buildings ALWAYS ATTRACT BIG CROWDS-
IT’S A FACT.) 3. Typical Baptists, paid no
attention to the sermon, church to them is a form of tradition that one “does”
in the same way you go to work, you hate it but you do it. (Sad but true.) 4.
Working to middle class. 5. Everywhere. 6. Some older. 7. 60% men. 8. Weekly
year average $2,807. 14/5/00
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30 PEOPLE AT ROCKVILLE BAPTIST. 11 Holberton St. TREASURER Roy Neuendorf. 2.
30% capacity. 3. older people mostly, no young families, odd looking people.
4. Working to middle class. 5. nope. 6. older. 7. 65% men. 8. $309. x SOUTH
TOOWOOMBA BAPTISTS. 1. 81people. 2. 225 chairs. (144 plastic, 80 wood.) 3. As
always a lot of people go cause they are locals. Slightly odd types. 4. Some
Charismatics here. 5. 12 kids 0-16yo. 6. Good cross section here. 7. 32 men,
37 women. 8. Not listed. 9. Some. 10. Part of the Baptist Union of Qld. Looks
nice on outside but inside dowdy. 11. 9.40-9.55am 2/7/00 12. Till 11am prob.
13. 9.30am, 9am Prayer Meeting. 11am Morning Tea. 14. Ps Daryl Rossow 15. A
new inside should be the go but they need to expand. They were the biggest Baptist
church 10 years ago. 16. Rossow could well be charismatic. He has his church
joining Empire celebrations. 30% charismatic said Youth leader.
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SOUTH BAPTIST YOUTH HOME GROUP. 1. 15p. 2. 20 chairs. 3. The sons and daughters
of mums and dads only. 4. Rough head looking lot. 5. All. 6. 18-21yo. 7. 4.
8. n/a. 9. Yes. 10. A very alive youth group! Outrageous! 11. 7.20pm-10.05pm.
12. 10.05pm. 13. 7.30pm n/a. 14. Terry & Robyn who manages cleaning at hospital.
15. Nice house. Good. 16. Doing Jesus video distribution, car washing, lots
of camps, billet sister church, not friendly to strangers- bad sign.
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GARDEN CITY INDEPENDENT BAPTISTS (A general rule of thumb with many religions
is that there are 2 sides to the split, 80% become less strict, 20% become more
strict so in Australia you have the Baptist Union which are the majority and
the Baptist Independents which are the minority.) Address: 1. # of people: 20
at Adult Sunday School 9.30am. (15 people stayed) 23 people at 10.30am service.
2. Empty chairs: 40 3. Type of person: Parisioners told me “I was a farmer,
now I’m a bobcat truck carrier.” “I’m a Traffic Router.”
“I’m a knife hand.” “I’m a supervisor at KR Bacon.”
“I make wood products.” Like Bretheren this religion consist of ones
who are strangely and predominantly workers of their hands in often a business
situation. (For further research purposes, see Dr John Holland’s theory
of careers.) Blue collar workers seem to be attracted to this type of religion.
4. Class: Working. 5. Kids: Many. (8) 6. Ages: 1-18 7. Men: 50% 8. Offering:
Not given. Pastor said “There is no wage coming out of the offering.”
9. Late arrivals: (Case in point as all these churches have big trouble keeping
their numbers.) Song Leader was 5 mins late, 5p arrived 5 mins late, 4p arrived
13 mins late. (Cure is NOT to demand people to come early as it’s ONLY
a symptom. Answer is for Pastor to become more caring and gentle and less forthright
-no giving in though.) 10. Interesting info: Pastor said these rather amazing
words “This is a soul winning church. We go out 1.5 hrs Sat mornings. I
was in a (sister) Brisbane church 11 years.. In 2-3 years my plan is to have
a church of 3-400. We rent this now. We’re only 9 weeks old and look how
many we have already. I’ve been naturalized a year ago having been a successful
(United States) business man prior to salvation. I was only saved 12 months
and God said “Go to Australia.” For less than $100,000 we can get
a brand new church 17m x 35m. This building costs $175,000 -has no parking.
In Brisbane the minimum church building costs $210,000 but we believed God and
got one for $77,000 for our 25-35 people. We’re a mission minded church!
.. I heard a Yank in a (sister church) but (God fore-saken church) say “Going
to another church is spiritual adultery!” I don’t agree. But I told
my church in Brisbane “This is a dead church!” .. I was in a garage
and I heard a man using God’s name in vein & I said to him “Excuse
me sir but I would appreciate you not saying my God’s name in vein cause
I’m a born again Christian.” Man said “So was I!”
11. Date & Time spent: Oct 1 2000 9am-12.32pm 12. When service finished.
11.50am 13. This & other service times: 9.30am 6pm Sun. Wedn 7pm. 14. Preacher:
Ps Bartlett 15. Feeling: I felt ill at ease due to blanket statements as Pastor
was extremely confrontational to believers which is a spiritual problem in the
whole denomination. 16. Their belief: Born again, non- Calvinists, fully immersed
baptised, non-Pentecostal. Almost every Pastor in Qld is American! (Ps Rod Marsh
in Redcliffe is Qld leader and has bible college is there with all American
tutors in dark blue 3pce suits. They tell girls to go home and change at youth
group if they wear jeans.)