ARCHIVED INFORMATION of all old reports of churches as old as the year 2000.
All these reports below have little relevance as they are unedited.
The only purpose is to see what these first drafts looked like
before they were edited.
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INDEPENDENT BAPTISTS WEDNESDAY 7pm service has 10 people. (Another sign of very
controlling church is having church meetings on a Wednesday instead of home
meetings. All Independent Baptists do this, Paul Sheehan a bad cultist does
it, other fundamentalists as well.) It’s a mini church service.
BRETHEREN
BRETHEREN CHURCH. HARRISTOWN ASSEMBLY
1. 57 people. 9.30-10.30am Bible Study 11am Worship service 60 people 2. 70%
capacity. 3. Type: Scriptural, fairly smart dressed hand on workers. 4. Class?
Blue collar electricians. 5. Kids? Mostly young families 6. Ages? 0-70 7. Men
50% 8. Weekly offering? -. (They give $1500 per month to 2 o/s and 3 Australian
missionaries!) 21/5/00 13.
BRETHEREN CHURCH. HARRISTOWN ASSEMBLY. 1. 50 PEOPLE. 2. 80% 3. Seemed to be
lots of kids and family. 4. Ditto. 5. Ditto. 6. Ditto. 7. Ditto. 8. Ditto. 9.
Ditto. 10. It’s a very popular event and the event goes over really well.
The Elders change things till they find something they all like. 11. 2/7/00
40 mins. Till 6.30pm. 12. Till 6.30pm. 13. Ditto. 5pm-6.30pm Family tea 2/7/00
1st Sunday of month followed by meeting. 14. Industrial Evangelist Geoff Vines
32009379 (Ex-biker, goes to small firms too, not big ones. He works with 2 organisations
and has a very fruitful ministry resulting in some indirectly coming to Christ.
Tells the snake who swallowed the hard boiled egg story and killed himself and
an alchoholic came to Christ. He gets called if there’s a death and goes
to Gladstone Comalco? Twice a year and does Northgate, lives at Logan. Fantastic
name.) 15. Warm, bit old but clean. 16. Don’t have anything to do with
Closed Bretheren. The rules are women to wear hats but they don’t.
BRETHEREN ASSEMBLY, MacKenzie St (near Alderley) 1. 57 people. 2. 200 seats.
3. Stayed, rich, bible only types. 4. As always with committed Christians they
are professionals or in management but has a definite blue collar streak and
a business vein. 5. Good mix of all ages. 6. 20 men, 20 kids, 27 women. 7. 20.
8. No n/letter. 9. ? 10. One wouldn’t get tossed out for adultery, one
woman wasn’t wearing a hat, they follow the logus of scripture, do not
understand all intangible aspects of Christianity like “grace, feelings,
God privately speaking to people, even speaking in tongues fits into this mode
of thinking. They and the Baptists only do more for missions than any other
church per capita. Very friendly & loving group to also strangers. 11. 11.55am-1pm
16/7/00 12. 12.35pm 13. 11am & 6.30pm & Wedn 7.30pm. 14. They all have
no paid ministers, only Elders teach & all men only are expected to contribute.
Women wear hats for submission. 15. Good, new brick building. 16. People often
ask me about the Bretheren. Quite simply they are alive, born-again, bible believing
Christians who are not Charismatic, they support other Christians and are NOT
sectarian, all independently owned and operated but they mix. These are not
the closed Bretheren.
BRETHEREN. MT LOFTY North St 10. Where Geddes St people came from. They use
this church Sunday nights at 6.30pm only and is used “as an outreach.”
11. 10.42am – noone there. 13. Sunday night services only 6.30pm. Sign
said Sunday School (for kids this means in this case) 9am
Use secular schools and pick up kids for lunch.
CATHOLIC
CATHOLIC ST ANTHONYS. Mainly due to their extensive school involvement. 1. 320
people !! 2. 80% 3. School focused types. 4. Normal. 5. Too many to count, 40
minimum 80 max. 6. Mostly families. 7. Prob 35%. 8. (Ran out of n/let) 9. 20
late. 10. They had some 15 6-7 yo kids parade from foyer to alter holding some
candles and then had some 30 kids on stage singing us a song. Everybody loved
it. (I have never considered making young kids a PART of church.) 11. I stayed
20 mins 9.30-9.50 am. 12. 9.30am-? 13. 9.30am. 7am, No pm Sun, 6pm Sat 14. German
3 week missionary from Sydney. 15. Very attractive to families if Catholic.
16. Almost every Catholic church have a charismatic prayer group and that’s
it.
84 people AT HOLY NAME CATHOLIC CHURCH West and Bridge Sts. 14/5/00
2. 40% capacity.. 3. Single simple people. 4. Working class like St Pats. 5.
no kids. 6. Not all older but families. 7. Prob 50%. The service started at
8am and by 8.25am the mass had finished! 8. “Planned Giving” was $1202
in envelopes. $116 loose. 14/5/00
220 PEOPLE SACRED HEART CATHOLIC 9.20am North and Tor Sts. 6.30pm Saturday Vigil; 7am, 9am, 5.30pm Sundays. 180 without kids. 2. 80% CAPACITY. 3. Few asians etc, younger families, nice people. 4. Middle class, bit lower than maybe. 5. 40 kids. 6. Prob 30 % old; mostly families; singles. 7. Men prob 40%.
14/5/00
Priest Tony O’Keefe I went up to and he said “You know I thought you
were writing bad stuff in your journal that day you were in our church. We often
get Catholics who take an extremely regimented approach to which way the mass
should be run. There was a terrible bout of it up at Rockhampton and around
Mackay.
THE SHRINE, CATHOLIC. This used to be a church but it’s closed down and is a book shop and offices.
250 people at 7am SERVICE ST PATS. WOW! This really does make them the biggest church in Toowoomba! As they have about 550 at other services! Wow ! This makes a total of 800!!! I have yet to count the Saturday night crowd and Sunday night crowd and then I’ll have an accurate figure. It is SUCH an incredible thing to do to go around to all these churches and see whole groups just worshipping God in their own way. No children, not all old people at all, quite a few men, prob 60%, simple hardy common class looking folk. PFOC: Still hollow, cold, antiquaited. “Planned Giving” 6/7 May $3,245. 14/5/00
CHRISTIAN REFORMED CHURCH OF TOOWOOMBA. 718 Boundry St 1. # of people: 66 2. Empty chairs: 155 chairs. 3. Type of person: Lots of Dutch people. 4. Class: Teacher COC, John Moes the Builder. 5. Kids: Heaps! 27. 6. Ages: All. 7. Men: No more or less. 8. Offering: $1206 last week and doing it tough apparently. 9. Late arrivals: 0 10. Interesting info: A manse (House for pastor) is on the property with small primary school joined to church 11. Time spent: 8.50am-11.25am 12. When service finished. 10.50am 13. This & other service times: 9am and 5pm where 1/3 rd of morning meet. 14. Preacher: Rev Tony van Drimmelen 15. Feeling: Good. 16. Their belief: Not Charismatic, fundamentalists in a dry way.
CHURCH OF CHRIST
CHURCH OF CHRIST DRAYTON, NON- DENOMINATIONAL. 1. 90 people. 2. 50% capacity.
3. Type: . 4. Class? Narrow minded Christians! Spotted red haired guy that lived
near Sherie.
5. Kids? Fair few. 6. Ages? 15-60 7. Men 55 % 8. Weekly offering? No bulletin
left. 21/5/00
GARDEN CITY CHURCH OF CHRIST 111a Curzon St 1. 29 people. 2.
90 chairs. 3. Older, local, friendly types. 4. Middle class and management.
5. A 17 & 18yo. 6. 90% 65+. 7. 7 males. 8. Dunno offering but $1160 was
given to a struggling missionary. 9. 2. 10. Lovingly greeted from the time I
came into the building to the time I left.. 10 out of 10. 11. 9.20am till 11.50am
16/7/00
12. 10am-11.12am (Had communion too.) 13. 11.12am 14. Do have a minister (not
Pastor) but he’s not there when visiting speaker is there. 15. Good, nice.
16. Bible based, born- again, full immersion baptism, non- Charismatic largely.
HUME ST Allow hands raised in worship.
DUNAMIS Christian Centre (Christian Life Centres International) (Trevor Chandler)
Address: CWA HALL from Inception till 24/9/00; Their home for 4 Sundays; Russel
St Near Neil St old Eagle Boys site. 1. # of people: 10 2. Empty chairs: 20
3. Type of person: All are ex-Dunamis people out from their large church in
Logan near the Hyperdome where there are “3-400 in 1st service, 800 2nd
service and 800 night service where there are many ex-COC people” said
Senior Associate Pastor Ted Pangilinan who preached there that morning. 4. Class:
Fills a needed gap between the “D audience” of COC and snobbish element
of AOG. 5. Kids: Many-4 6. Ages: Young 7. Men: 3 8. Offering: Not given 9. Late
arrivals: - 10. Interesting info: Keith & Tam are old friends and have come
out of mild leadership positions at TCC. They used to live in Brisbane 2 years
ago (1998) for 6 months studying at Uni where got to know Dunamis. 11. Date
& Time spent: 24/9/00 10.15am-11.30am 12. When service finished. 10.30am
13. This & other service times: 9am 6pm 14. Preacher: District Pastor: Keith
& Tamara Lynch 15. Feeling: Pretty good. 16. Their belief: Charismatic/
Pentecostal. Trevor Chandler is one of the founders of the Charismatic movement
in this state and now is retired from his long standing New Farm Church which
has a professional theatre and is now at Dunamis.
LUTHERAN.
CONCORDIA CHAPEL Address: 1. # of people: 98 2. Empty chairs: 30% full 3. Type
of person: Lutherans who appreciate less formal styled worship. 4. Class: Panel
Beater Business, Gardening business are some. 5. Kids: Many 6. Ages: 12 Sunday
School age; Some 10 18-22yo; most young families. 7. Men: Some 50% 8. Offering:
$270 9. Late arrivals: - 10. Interesting info: This new Lutheran Church attempted
to start only 4 weeks ago and numbers began at 220 and dwindled to 180, 136,
97 as people were obviously expecting a very informal and even a more Charismatic
or Livet styled service but this service is still very formal and starched.
11. Date & Time spent: 17/9/00 10.00am-12.10pm 12. When service finished.
11.40am 13. This & other service times: 10.15am 14. Preacher: Ps Edgar Mayer
15. Feeling: Bit daunting due to drop off of numbers, they really need to do
market research and quickly and listen to the people. 16. Their belief: Pastor
runs Alpha, seems spirit filled. Obviously more Evangelical than Humanist.
LIVET YOUTH Concordia School South St. Bottom of the block behind the school
church– 1. 60-80people. 6. Grades 7-12 10. Activity based program. 13.
7-7.30pm every second Friday.
LIVET YOUTH Grade 2-6. Our Saviours. Alderley & West Sts 1. 20-30people.
6. Grades 2-6 10. Activity based program. 13. 7-7.30pm every second Friday.
LIVET CAFÉ Teens + Concordia School South St. Dining Hall– 1. 60-80people.
6. Teens+ 10. Program: Café. 13. 7-7.30pm Fridays when Livet Youth isn’t
on.
LIVET – Largest Church in Toowoomba on a Sunday night ON SECOND Sunday
every month. Address: Concordia Chapel South St 1. # of people: 220 2. Empty
chairs: 100? 3. Type of person: Offspring of Lutheran teachers and church leaders
but committed Christians nonetheless. 4. Class: Middle 5. Kids: Mostly. 6. Ages:
4yo-70yo 7. Men: 50% 8. Offering: $500 9. Late arrivals: 0 10. Interesting info:
This is a program of modern songs done in a uniqueflavour including half Hillsongs.
Puppets; Drama; Short preaching by Lutheran Pastors only; Prayers; Skits; Each
service has a different and funny theme. E.g. Olympic runners skits. 4 years
ago the Lutheran Church began this National research sample and it is copied
& encouraged elsewhere. 11. Date & Time spent: 10/9/00 6.30pm-10pm 12.
When service finished. 8.30pm 13. This & other service times: 6.30pm. 10.15am.
14. Preacher: Always different. 15. Feeling: Funny, exciting, warm, bit cool
after service. 16. Their belief: Lead by spirit filled ministry, most clearly
are not spirit filled and of course not born again or fully immersed baptised.
Arms raised in worship is ok to do.
LUTHERAN ST PAUL’S Phillip St 1. # of people: 57 (Usually far more due
split service) 2. Empty chairs: 238 chairs possible. 3. Type of person: Lots
of dairy farmers! 4. Class: Business working. 5. Kids: Prob 20. 6. Ages: Prob
8 20-30yo’s. 7. Men: Prob 40% 8. Offering: Not listed. 9. Late arrivals:
- 10. Interesting info: Pastor told me “I myself belief in a literal creationism
of the world but we won’t be against people who don’t believe in the
world literally being created in 6 days.” He also said “Yes, I have
asked for speaking in tongues.” Also saying “I believe there is a
literal devil but am not against those Lutherans who don’t believe that.”
11. Time spent: 8.55am-2.15pm 12. When service finished. - 13. This & other
service times: Only 10am 14. Preacher: Ps K D Kotzur 15. Feeling: All hymns,
no chorus’s at all, bit cold, oldish, traditional, no “feeling.”
Pastor said “Lutheran churches are waning statistically.” 16. Their
belief: Like all churches, there are 2 sides, the larger mainline humanistic/
liberal churches and the smaller fundamental/ literal bible believing churches.
Australian Lutherans are largely conservative and not spirit filled.
SPECIAL COUNTRY/ CITY SERVICE & LUNCH. I was really touched by this service.
The Toowoomba church invited 3 small country area churches to a dinner in which
one man publicly said how much they appreciated being made a part of the big
city churches. Phillip St Lutherans called St Paul’s invited Goombungee
churches firstly to their morning church service in which 138 people all up
attended. Had a hot lunch put on straight afterwards. They had hot pudding desert.
Then a very funny man Robert Sellars gave a hilarious round of jokes for 15
minutes. Then the Goombungee person said ho much they appreciated being made
a fuss of. Then we all had a cup of tea. Then most left to look at the Japanese
Gardens to return for another cup of tea and then it was all over. Really rewarding.
LUTHERAN “OUR SAVIOURS” 1. 80 8.30am and only service. 2. 40% capacity.
3. Type: Boring types. 4. Class? Lower Middle. 5. Kids? Some families. 6. Ages?
15-21yo x 6. 7. Men 40?% 8. Weekly offering? n/list21/5/00
LIVET - LUTHERAN YOUTH MONTHLY SUNDAY NIGHT SERVICE. 240 PEOPLE. 2. 65% full.
3. Seem to be religious parent kids. 4. Middle class. 5. heaps of kids. 6. 20%
22 - 50yo, 20% 5-14yo; 60% 15-21yo. 7. 40% prob. This is the program content-
(generally) 2 songs sit and stand; 3rd song “Muppet Show theme” 4.
Lights off. Torch to Jesus. 5. Jesus lit. 6. Overhead confession. 7. Minister
pronounces forgivenes of sins. 8. “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet”
song. 9. Gretschen the leader talks. 10. “Oh Lord my God” (stand).
11. Bible reading Mrs Burger. 12. Bedtime Story Tale of 3 trees simulated to
powerpoint slides on big screen. (Best part of night.) (Cause young kids there
too) (Story of chopped wood used to build Jesus’s boat and his cross.)
13. Preacher 7.15pm-7.33pm Dieter. 14. Song - our response is “Beautiful
Lord” 15. More preaching about gun getting held to head by Russian army.
7.37-7.48pm (Started at 6.30pm) 16. Offering. 17. Song “Before the world
began.” 18. Song “Buck, buck, buck” 19. Overhead prayer. 20.
Puppets and story. 21. 3 people prayed. 22. Anouncements- no macas. 23. Redeemer
lives. ($2 steak, coleslaw on bun, $1 sausage on bread.) 14/5/00
Nigel McNeill meeting. (Founding Pastor of COC.) (He is 53yo now and started
in Groom Pk hall 25 years ago and is back again to Groom Pk hall.) 1. 56 at
& pm Sat, 66 at Sund 10am, 50 at Sund 7pm. 2. 80-100 chairs 3. 1/4 current
COC, ¼ ex-COC, 1/3 Agape, Rest non-Christians. 3. Type of person: many
divorced women with kids. 4. Class: Not middle but lower class. 5. Kids: Many.
6. Ages: All. 7. Men 40%? 8. Offering: Last sermon was on tithing which means
they hardly got a thing the first and second offering. Saw $50 note go in the
last offering. 9. Late arrivals. 0. 10. Interesting info. Nigel said “I’m
going to start my own denomination…. Let me make it quite very clear, I
myself was the founder of COC Twmba despite what they say….(COC Twmba need
to FORMALLY recogise McNeill with a certificate of appreciation in his founding
efforts lest the body of Christ subconsciously resist COC even further.) I’
m busy but will come back in Feb 2001… I’m 53 now and I was in Groom
Pk hall starting COC 25 years ago… This is how you get people to fall backwards
and drunk, like this or like this… I saw Rodney Howard Browne in Brisb
once and resisted it all but in America I was told he wanted to meet me and
he put me in front of himself sitting down saying nothing, he stared at me continually
so I spoke and he said “Shut-up!” Browne went into a great dissertation
about tithing and took Nigel into his huge house with servants for a week and
did not stop talking about giving the whole time…. 11. Time spent: 22/7/00
6.30pm-9.20pm; 23/7/00 9.30am-noon; 6pm-10.20pm (All stayed this late). 13.
7pm, 10am, 7pm. 14. Preacher: Evangelist Nigel McNeill. 15. Feeling: Good, warm,
happy, anticipative. 16. Their belief: More like Rodney Howard Browne than Toronto
Blessing/ Jesus Tent of Miracle style as the anointing is not so much corporate
but individualised like Browne. He has gotten gold dust and flakes, loads of
oil on peoples hands etc..
PRESBYTERIAN REFORMED AT U.Q. Library East end of Jellicoe St. 1. 30 people.
2. 50% 3. Very obviously dried up conservatives with no spirit. Like many churches,
obviously split over finer points of scripture and have seperated from mainstreamer
Presbyterians. Scratch the surface and they’ll believe in Calvinism, adulterers
to be punsidhed etc.. 4. Prob blue collar clerks or something weird like that.
5. 5 bored looking 14-16yo. 6. 3 old. 7. Prob 40% 8. -. 9. -. 10. They prayed
dry prayers a lot. 11. 4 mins. 28/5/00 12. -. 13. 10.30am Worship service. 9am
Sunday School Study (Conservetives mean it’s for adults and it’s a
closer small group study of scripture. Many churches do it. SDA, C of Christ
non-i; Bretheren; etc..) 14. Rev L. Zylstra 15. Building ok. Church was so dry,
conservative, lifeless. 16. Totally non-charismatic.
SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST HAD A CHURCH THERE ON SUNDAYS but was not open. TOOWOOMBA CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP. 19 Long St 1. 86 people. 2. Prob 75%. 3. Normal Charismaticss, not too ostentatious. 4. Lower middle. 5. Heaps. Especially late Primary age. 6. Good cross section actually. 7. 40% 8. not honest. 9. - 10. These people are NOT Bretheren whereas “Brisbane Christian Fellowship” allegedly is. No relation whatsoever. They are standard Charismatics although they do keep to themselves. 11. 7 mins at supper at about 10.45am. (Very unusual for a church to have supper of cakes at end of a morning service.) 28/5/00 12. Prob 10.45am. 13. 9.30am. 6pm. 14. David Falk, Bruce Watkins. 15. Bit old wooden building, blue stone driveway. 16. Spirit filled with a touch of conservatism.
UNITING
MIDDLE RIDGE UCA 10am 1. 42 PEOPLE. 2. 120 chairs exactly. Thus 1/3 full. 3.
Bit dowdier version of UCA people. 4. Bit lower maybe. 5. 8 kids out of 39.
6. 0-16yo 8kids; 7. 11 men, 23 women. 8. None given. 9. Quite a few very late.
10. There is an aged care home attached to this facility. 11. 2/7/00 10 mins
9.15am. 12. – 13. 8.30am and 10am 14. Rev Pat Darby but Rev Dan Stewart
38yo. 15. Cold, dark, old, atiqaited, lonely, isolated. 16. Baptists tend to
be exangelical and Uniting tend to have caring ministries like Lifeline, Foster
homes etc..
MIDDLE RIDGE UNITING 8.30am Address: Spring St near Ramsay 1. # of people: 54
at 10/9/00. 34 at 3/9/00 (down due to Armaeus) 2. Empty chairs: 135 chairs/
80 spare. 3. Type of person: All ages, non- Garden Settlement people. 4. Class:
Middle 5. Kids: 18,10. 6. Ages: 25-40yo. 7. Men: 10 8. Offering: Not given.
9. Late arrivals: 2 10. Interesting info: This is on a large parcel of land
of some 14 buildings making Toowoomba Garden Settlement including a dementia
unit, blue nurses, Mongloid? adults. 11. Date & Time spent: 10/9/00 8.15am-10.30am.
3/9/00 7.50am-10am 12. When service finished. 9.40am 13. This & other service
times: 8.30am. 10am. 14. Preacher: Rev Pat (female 55yo) Darby. (Pat was at
Westbrook Prison 10/9) 15. Feeling: Nice, warm. Building bit old, few talk to
you. 16. Their belief: Rev Lorna Skilton not |Charismatic but open. Generally,
not a very Charismatic church but are quite alive as have many meetings on through
week.
FIRST OF 2 SERVICES AT RANGEVILLE UNITING. 1. 208 ! people.
2. 95% capacity. 3. Type: Professional, Divorced, Deranged, Intelligent. 4.
Class? Middle. 5. Kids? Plenty. 6. Ages? 0-12 about 40. 40% young mum and dad.
7. Men 45? %
8. Weekly offering? $6212. 21/5/00
UNITING RANGEVILLE 6.30PM SERVICE. 1. Prob 110 people. 2. 50% capacity. 3. Type: Bit immoral. 4. Class? Middle. 5. Kids? Teens only 6. Ages? 30% 15-25. 20% Singles, 7. Men % 8. Weekly offering? $6212 (2 smiley faces for Very good) 21/5/0072 people at SCOTS UNITING. 2. 40% full. 3. Bit dry. 4. Lower middle. 5. 9 kids age 2-7. 6. 5 parents. Rest 50+. 7. 18 men. 8. - 9. Not late. 10. They have a youth worker called Andrew Fox who has an earing, is about 32yo and is big and blonde and has a goatie. He makes the people sing modern songs like “Shout to the Lord” which is in their old styled hymn books called “Australia Hymn Book 2. Melody Line Edition. Harper Collins Religious 1999. Has guitar chords. He played guitar with a piano. Newsletter says “Church council calling for much prayer as one ordained minister and one youth worker serving 4 congregations is unsatisfactory and must change.” They do Alpha. 11. I was there 9am-9.30am 28/5/00 12. 9am- 13. None. 14. Andrew Fox. 15. Not bad. It was “unexciting.” 16. A.Fox prob spirit filled but rest would be dry for sure. Uniting in Neil St called ST STEPHENS. 1. 64 people. 2. I think it’s wrong but maybe could fit 176 people. Looked 38% full. 3. People with German sounding names unfortunately. 4. Middle. 5. 2 young families. 6. Older. 7. 15 men. 8. Budget $2000 weekly 7/5/00 $1697; 14/5 $1951; 21/5 $1945. 9. - 10. This church got burnt to the ground a few years ago and is now restored immaculately with white vinyl cushioned pews. 11. 10am-10.05am 28/5/00 12. - 13. 9.30am. 8am. 14. Peter Banney. 15. Historic. 16. May do an Alpha but pretty dry. Previous
63 PEOPLE AT WILSONTON UNITING AT TOR AND NORTH STS. 2. 65% capacity. 3. Bit
nicer type. 4. Middle class. 5. Few or no kids. 6. Older mostly. 7. 40% men
- not sure. 14/5/00 12. 10AM - new time.
WESLEYAN METHODIST 267 North St 1. # of people: 62 2. Empty chairs: 120 seats,
half full. 3. Type of person: Friendly simple types 4. Bit blue collar. Class:
5. 13 Kids: 6. Ages: Good mix. 7. 28 Male. 34 female. 8. Offering: General fund
last week $907.15. Weekly budget $1000. Surplus! Of $275 year to date. Kingsley
College love offering $392. 9. Late arrivals: 0 10. Interesting info: They have
many (13) Asians in family service from USQ as a result of a worker in USQ.
Pastor rides a motorbike. 11. Time spent: 9.15am-11.15am. 12. When service finished.
10.45am. 13. This & other service times: 9.30am, 11.15am (Sermon in Chinese,
13 Asians only in this service), 6pm. 14. Preacher: Pastor David Millican 15.
Feeling. Warm. 16. Their belief:: Although tongues are banned the pastor is
very accepting of pentecostals and there are quite a few there. Including Anita
Tinklers parents and Rev Clive Smith.