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from chat 6/4/2014 20:37:03 AM [20:37] zipguy I've got a question. Is there any way, in Tkchat to modify the 'Google selection' right-click option (on Windoze)? [20:38] * zipguy not to 'Bing'! [20:42] zipguy Or is there anyway to change the menu that pops-up, and add command to it? [20:42] zipguy er, commands [21:13] kbk Of course there is. You have the source code.. [21:17] zipguy kbk All I have is tkchat.exe, not the source code, so I don't [21:17] kbk It's a starpack. Unwrap it [21:18] zipguy Ok I'll give it a try. Thanks kbk |
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From the sdx page at http://wiki.tcl.tk/3411 "sdx unwrap yourstarkit Extract the contents of a starkit into a file system. Creates a directory with the name [file root starkit].vfs The directory must not already exist." It does not make any mention of 'unwrap'ing a foobar.exe, of the type, starpack. |
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So I did search http://wiki.tcl.tk, looking for 'unwrap' and did not find any mention, that you can unwrap a starpack! It did take me a while to do that. I did find out today, that there at least one that I missed namely sdx, in it's explanation of the mksplit command which says:
That got me into another couple of problems.
Some of them are unanswered... but most are solved! As far as 'unwrap'ing starpacks, would this be a problem for other foobar.exe's which are starpacks? In other words, what if the author did not want you to be able to 'unwrap' a .exe (starpack), and have a look at their code? Some author's don't want you having a look at their source code, which seems like a minority, except in commercial applications, which I do understand, is a majority. I won't try to see the source code, if the author doesn't want me to see it. Most author's, of non-commercial applications, don't mind you having a look at their source code, some encourage that, like I do. :) I learn a lot from well written programs. They can teach you a whole bunch, how to do things better, by example. |
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To my surprise, I tried it (unpacking the ezsdx.exe), by using a modified version of EasySDX to unwrap itself (which would accept either .kit or .exe to unwrap) which it DID unwrap ezsdx.exe (which is a Windows starpack). When I tried unpacking the ezsdx.exe and it did work, but had a lot of 'extra' tcl folders in there. Hehe, the buttons on that looked awful, because the only button I had, in the modified version of EasySDX, was the 'Exit EasySDX' one (but that's my problem :)). Here's what it looks like when using the modified version of EasySDX to unpack itself (ezsdx.exe). Screenshot at http://www.geocities.ws/thezipguy//tcl/misc/EasySDX_unpack_on_itself_01.png, on Windows 7. Further, it may be extemely useful for .kit's that have been made into .exe's (as a starpack), if that's all you have, the .exe, which is old and useful, AND you do not have the source code for it. You can get back the source code (with a lot of 'extra' tcl folders in there)! Then you can delete the 'extra' folders, and with a little work, get it back to a .kit state. Then someone, whom I respect a lot in chat, mentioned about tkchat: 6/6/2014 14:24 am [14:24] zipguy, you were looking at augmenting tkchat? You can put scripts in .tkchat_plugins and they will be sourced on startup. That remark got me thinking about lots if things.... After reading that, I also thought more about SDX, and other SDX commands... Then, after thinking about my changes to EasySDX, I wondered what would happen if I tried the 'Lsk (List .kit Contents)' function which is in there? So it failed at first, until I changed the routine, just like I had to the unwrapit procedure. Then, Lo and Behold, it did work also! Have a look at it below. So I went back to the sdx page at http://wiki.tcl.tk/3411 and found, as expected, "sdx lsk yourstarkit List the contents of a starkit" Once again, it does not make any mention of 'List the contents' a foobar.exe, of the type, starpack. |
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page..... 6/6/2014 [07:51] kbk zipguy - have you read http://equi4.com/papers/skpaper1.html ? [07:52] zipguy nope, I'll have a look... [07:56] zipguy kbk I like the questions/issues raised in http://equi4.com/papers/skpaper3.html... continuing reading [08:04] zipguy From http://equi4.com/papers/skpaper4_6.html - "Note that the contents of Starpacks can be listed and extracted with the SDX utility, since they use the same packaging mechanism as Starkits. The main difference between a Starpack and a Starkit is that the "header" (i.e. the piece of code that is executed on start-up) is a large binary executable file (the Tcl/Tk interpreter) and the files stored inside its VFS include all the standard Tcl/Tk runtime support files." [08:05] zipguy actually, it has a lot of extra tcl folders in there too! [[08:05] kbk tkchat depends on a lot of libraries [08:06] zipguy I haven't yet tried to SDX unwrap Tkchat.exe [08:07] zipguy although it should work fine. [08:07] kbk Oh, what were you unwrapping? [08:08] zipguy If you look at the link I posted above, namely http://www.geocities.ws/thezipguy/freeware/SDX_more.html, you'll see what I did last night [08:09] zipguy I ask questions in there too! [08:10] kbk What do you think is 'extra' there? [08:10] <frerich> left [08:10] zipguy from that page 'Screenshot at http://www.geocities.ws/thezipguy//tcl/misc/EasySDX_unpack_on_itself_01.png, on Windows 7.' [08:11] kbk Anyway... it's common knowledge among Tclers that starpacks can be unwrapped. Starpacks are for convenience in deployment, not for code obfuscation. [08:12] zipguy yuppers, I'd agree on the later point you just made. [08:13] kbk Code obfuscation is more often done using the bytecode compiler in TDK, and the resulting .tbc files can also be wrapped. [08:13] zipguy I was unaware of it. And I could not find it anywhere on wiki.tcl.tk [08:17] kbk I guess it's kind of implied... Starkit and Starpack are really the same thing; it's just that one starts with a short Tcl script and needs a stand-alone Tcl interpreter to launch, while the other starts with a Tcl executable. The rest of the content is the same, and the tools deal equally with either. [08:18] kbk (Plus a couple of 'gotcha's' like the fact that you can't write to a running executable on Windows, so Starkits can be self-updating, but Starpacks need to jump through hoops to change themselves. [08:18] kbk But that's a platform issue, not fundamental to the format.) After reading that There does appear to be a very old paper in PDF, about Starkits called ''tclkit2.pdf', which was written in 2002, by which does mention... 'Note that since Starpacks use the same packaging mechanism as Starkits, their content can be listed and extracted with the SDX utility. The main difference is that the "header" (i.e. the piece of code that is executed on startup) is a large binary executable file, and that the files stored inside include all the standard Tcl/Tk runtime support files.' That's the only reference I've found for 'unpack'ing a starpack. You can download it at http://www.digital-smarties.com/Tcl2002/tclkit.pdf which is a great read, if you're going to try to make a starkit, all the way up to 'Advanced topics '. I wish I had been aware of it earlier. It is a well written paper, also available online, if you prefer that kind of site at http://equi4.com/papers/skpaper1.html. |
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