Home, Techniques, The Two Ma's, Cheng Ting Hua, Dong Hai Chuan, Ba-Gua Zhang& The I-Ching

The other Gao Style, Fu Chen Sung, True Expression, WuDe,  2004 Annual All Ba-Gua Zhang Tournament 

1848-1900
Cheng Ting Hua

While it is known, that Dong hai Chuan was the creator of the Martial art Of BaGua Zhang. Cheng Ting hua Can Be considered the Father of many of the styles of BaGua.

Cheng, Considered one of the Big 4 of Dong’s top students. Was the fourth disciple and the most prolific

Of Dong’s students. He had the most students while most of the students of dong were conservative in their teachings.

Most of the Ba-Gua that most westerners have seen is derived from one of the branches of Cheng Ting Hua.

 

Born in 1848 in the Cheng Family village, his fascination with the martial arts began at a young age. While still young he went to Beijing to apprentice with a gentleman who made eyeglasses. Intent on improving his martial skill,

At that time Shuai Chiao Was in vogue, so Cheng began to study.

He became an avid wrestler, studying both of the Popular styles (Mongolian and Pao Ting) when he was a young man.

He Practiced hard and made a name for himself as a wrestler. A Skill that he also trained which was from outside his wrestling teaching, was increasing his leg strength. It is a fact that your blow is only as strong as your stance, so, Cheng practiced sitting with his legs crossed while working at his desk grinding glass. To the onlooker it appeared that Cheng was merely sitting behind his desk. He trained like this through out the day, alternating legs, as they got tired.  He never used a chair.

Magic Palm Li


When Cheng was around 28yrs old (1876), He wanted to improve his skill still more, so he sought out Dong Hai Chuan. When the two first met dong told cheng to use his

Shuai Chiao against him. After several attempts, he was never able to lay a hand on dong. Cheng Knelt and asked to become a student.

Cheng Ting Hua Was the Fourth Disciple of Dong hai Chuan.

 

Dong was known to only except Bagua students who were already skilled in another style martial art.

It is said that after laying a Bagua foundation with the circle walk practice, Single palm Change, Double palm change, and the Smooth Changing Palm,

Dong would teach the student Bagua Zhang based on what the student already knew. Taking this info as being true,

We can assume that Dong taught Cheng Bagua based on his

Background in Shuai Chiao.

In the old days if you wanted to challenge the Master, you would first have to fight his top student. Depending on the out come did you fight the master.

The last few years of Dong’s life, Cheng was the representing Disciple.

There are stories about Cheng’s prows as a fighter and the level of his skill. Many have been translated so I will not retell the same accounts. It is obvious that he was a great fighter. What concerns me is how he got so good?

Not only did he stance train all day he also wore a ten-pound vest every day until the day he died. He practiced

His Crushing Palm on a sand bag suspended from the ceiling.

He would also practice holding a tub of water while turning the circle with out spilling a drop. It is reported that over the years he was never out of breath, red in the face, or showed any indication of strain or discomfort.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Ba-Gua\Wudong connection

 

The Nei Chia/WuDong connection began with Cheng ting Hua and His associates. In 1894 Cheng his good friends Liu Wai Hsiang, Liu Te Kuan, and Li Tsun-I came together to form an organization to help improve the level of their arts, increase relations with in martial circles and raise the skill level of their students. This brotherhood consisted of Cheng as the Ba-Gua Rep, Liu Te Kuan as the Tai Chi Rep, and

Li Tsun-I and Liu Wai Hsiang Representing the Xing-I School.

Through their cooperation, the four teachers improved instructional techniques and decided that the three arts

Although different were of the same family.

Because Cheng’s group brought the three systems under one roof and called their system the Nei Chia, others assumed that it had to do with A system under the same name a hundred years before said to be created by Cheng San Fang and the Wu Dong Mtns.

 

Sha Gao ZhengThese incorrect assumptions led to the categorizations Tai Chi , Xing-I, and Ba-Gua  under the Title Wu Tang Boxing. This was further embedded into the public mind when the Central Martial Arts Academy in Nanjing categorized these arts as Wu Tang styles in 1928 to distinguish them from the other styles which were of Shaolin origin.

Today we find styles of Tai Chi and baGua referred to as Wu tang as if they originated there.

We also still have propagated the idea that Chang San fang Created Tai Chi Chuan. In all Likelihood There was nothing remotely resembling tai Chi, Xing-I, or Bagua until the 1920’s or 30’s. Research shows that the styles originating from WuTang are more akin to Northern Shaolin. Research also shows that the Bagua on Mt Wudong originates from Sun Lu Tangs School. In addition, he was third generation. So hopefully this will add to dispelling the stories that there is a creator of Bagua other than Dong hai Chuan. This also leads into the fact that Cheng ting hua was the catalyst for the creation of various offshoots of the system.

 

 

Cheng Style Variations

 

 

Cheng ting hua loved to teach his art and would openly teach anyone who wanted to learn. Cheng had more students than any of Dong’s other disciples, thus most of the Bagua that is seen today is from Cheng’ s lineage.

Sun Lu Tang’s Bagua

Li Yi Yu Chiang Yung Qiao Cheng’s most famous student was Sun Lu tang. Although Sun Only studied with Cheng for three years, he wrote five books on martial arts and made a name for himself. Most practitioners in Beijing feel that Sun’s real skill was inXing-I. In addition, when asked who were Chengs best students?

None of the sources mentioned Sun Lu Tang. In 1916, Sun wrote His bagua book. However, it lacks any real content.

When asked, the older generation Bagua community said this book was a bunch of fluff. Even Li Tian Ji, Who studied with Sun Himself, said that the book was for outsiders. He had a reserved private version for his own students.

 

                                                  Original form Bagua

Chang Chao Tung Was a Xing-I friend of Cheng Ting Hua. When he learned the Ba-Gua that his friend was teaching, he taught a variety of students including Chiang Yung Chiao. Who created what is now being called the original form not because it was the original form of Dong Hai chuan, but rather the form taught by Chang chao Tung With his own added flavor.

 

Gao Yi Sheng’s Bagua

Liu Fang Kai Gao Yi Sheng Learned His Bagua from Chou Yu Hsiang and his teacher Cheng Ting Hua. In order to give validity to his style he claimed to have learned from a Taoist named Sung I Jen.  Gao’s Style is the systemization of what he learned from Chou and Cheng and the system he was already proficient with Ta Hung Chuan.                                    Most people now believe that GAO took the essence of Cheng’s Bagua and what Both teachers taught as Bagua applications and borrowing from Xing-I’s idea of practicing one technique over and over again on a straight line. He created the 64 straight line Changes on his own.                                       

 

9 Palace Bagua

Cheng’s Family Style. Still being taught in Cheng Village,

The successor of this style is Sun Xi Jun.

Sun Xi JunIn 1945, he began learning Bagua from Liu Tzu Yang and Cheng Yu Sheng. Liu had been a student of both Cheng ting Hua and cheng tien hua. Cheng Yu Sheng was Cheng Tien Hua’s son. In 1953, Sun moved to Beijing and studied with cheng ting hua’s fourth son Cheng Yu Hsin. Today Sun lives and teaches in Beijing.

 

 

 

The Wu Tang form as mentioned earlier is derived from  Sun Lu Tang.

Sun’s system, the Eight Animal style.

etc.

And the list goes on I would mention more, but for the time being I’m sure you get the point.

 

Cheng ting Hua Popularized the swimming Body bagua from this you get the Dragon style title.

 

Cheng Ting Hua Was Shoot to Death at the Age of 52 by the Germans during the Boxer rebellion in the 1900’s.

During his life, he did more to spread the art of bagua than any of his generation.

Until next time.

Peace.

 

B.C. Hill Bey

Director of

The Ba-Gua Zhang

Research & Boxing Association

 

 

                       

 

Hosted by www.Geocities.ws

1