The Fifth Draft


Wonderful as it would be to own an official DVD release of Two Idiots In Hollywood (as Murphy said, ‘We can always dream...’), it seems unlikely. But maybe I can help compensate for that by providing the equivalent of ‘deleted scenes’. The Two Idiots we know and enjoy was made from the sixth version of the script or later. The fifth draft contains a lot that didn’t make it, expanding on many of the characters, and helping to explain some of the parts of the film that are lowest on continuity. So if you’d like to know about the Big Alligator Scene, about R. Taylor Curtis’ ‘moron’ wife, and even more of Loupenis’ pearls of wisdom, do read on!



We learn about Howie from Lynn, as she and Marianna wait in Taylor and Murphy’s flat: ‘Howie works with Murphy at the bottling plant and I see him sometimes when he come by [sic] to get Howie to go play Pac Man.’ The fifth draft also contains the start of Murphy’s telephone call to Howie from Hollywood, not just the end: Murphy spots the phone as soon as Taylor leaves with the stricken landlord.


Taylor’s job

Taylor explains to Marianna: ‘I work word processors... type. Temporary bull shit jobs. ...I mean ...when they call me, I work. But I try to stay in a lot.’ (In the film itself, we only find this out via Murphy’s comment to the landlord.)


The Alligator Farm Scene

T. Barry’s introduction scene leads into one where Taylor and Murphy have stopped off at an alligator farm in Arizona on their way to California. We see an alligator via stock footage.


TAYLOR: I had no idea there were so many alligator farms out here.


MURPHY: Oh sure, the further west you get the more alligator farms you got.


This would explain why Taylor wears an ‘Ed’s Gatorama’ T-shirt in Hollywood. Later, the film critics refer back to ‘the big alligator scene’, and show a clip.


Carlos Y de LaSantiago and the phoney credits

Between the end of the alligator farm scene and more from T. Barry, we see ‘phoney credits on four cards. The first card says: TWO IDIOTS IN HOLLYWOOD with MUPRHY’S and TAYLOR’s faces in the corners. MURPHY winks at us. Card two says CAST and lists seemingly thousands of names in unreadably small print. Card three does the same to the CREW. Card four says: Company Physician...Carlos Y de LaSantiago with the picture of a grinning latino man in a white suit.’


T. Barry and Todd

After the phoney credits, we’re back with T. Barry, who is interviewed by Todd to fill time, as Taylor and Murphy aren’t yet in LA.


T. BARRY: It all began when I went to see a production of “Julius Caesar”. I thought, ‘Damn, that’s good stuff...I want to do that to’ [sic]. So I became a writer. I began by writing real estate tracts for money and then I moved over into filmmaking by writing an action comedy movie about teenagers based on the movie “Porky’s Revenge.”


TODD: That was the one that almost got you sent to jail?


T. BARRY: That was all bluff. Lawyers are such horrible, horrible people. But that’s not the point. To be a part of this business is to continually be faced with personal rejection and absolute failure.


TODD: Well, you’re certainly the biggest failure I have ever known... *Barry looks at Todd.* I meant that in a good way.


T. BARRY: Thank you.


TODD: And I think the robot movie will be great.


T. BARRY: Thanks.


TODD: Maybe this time yuou’ll [sic] have a track record before you have a prison record.


T. BARRY: Fuck you!


TODD: Well, fuck you!


T. BARRY: Well, fuck you!


TODD: Fuck you. God, what an idiot.


*Todd leaves fairly amused.*


Man With Poodle

In the fifth draft, Man With Poodle - the one who says ‘How butch’ when he sees Taylor carrying the landlord - is called Gay Man I, and has a partner. They go into their apartment together.


Joc Jeremy’s radio

When Taylor puts on music for the landlord, Judy Garland is singing Over The Rainbow.


Dan Skink

During the Action ‘music video’ sequence where Murphy drives through LA, we are introduced to Dan Skink in his backyard. He is practically comatose, and surrounded by people who are cavorting naked except for pots and pans. First a topless girl runs a hose on him. Then she moves jump leads towards his chest. ‘SFX of a terrible electric shock.’ Then we see Skink (with hair on end and smouldering head) in his bathroom, where topless women dress him in his clothes and corset.


Security Guards

In the fifth draft, the NBA Security Guards are named Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.


Perry White

Has an even longer routine. At the end, Kareem and Magic are called in to drag him out.


Skink’s Child

His magazine is Soldier Of Fortune.




SKINK: What, son?


CHILD: Will there always be war?


*Dan contemplates sadly.*


DAN: I’m afraid so, son.


CHILD: Great.


*Genuinly [sic] encouraged, THE CHILD LEAVES.*


Scene 78

Scene 78 in the 5th draft, set a week after the Boys From New York Scene, involves Joe Clarke and R. Taylor Curtis (from Star Search) sitting in Dan Skink’s ‘outer office’ (which includes ‘an open, unscreened toilet in the b.g.’), awaiting third and final auditions for The Pac Man Show. ‘R. TAYLOR’S WIFE, KAT sits on the floor. She is some sort of moron. There is a moment of tense silence. R. Taylor has a laugh-in-a-box machine and a portable rim shot machine to punctuate any jokes he may say.’ R. Taylor communicates with Kat using sign language, claiming he ‘learned it in the circus’, but tells Joe that ‘she’s not really deaf...she’s just...who knows.’ Kat takes bowling pins and a Devil Stick out of her husband’s shoulder bag, and starts to unzip his flies at the end of the scene. We see them again briefly in Scene 80. ‘Stop Kat! Stop! Stop!’


Joe’s Final Audition

This scene is slightly longer in the fifth draft. Joe answers questions about how he relates to the script (‘Well, to be perfectly honest I didn’t know how Pac Man would translate to a script ... but the sides were really good and seemed to have a through line that I could really follow’), and about his thoughts on the ghosts (‘It could be frightening and suspenseful or it could be really funny, depending on the approach’). We also find out that it was Winn Kaalsen who ‘suggested the restaurant scenes when we were trying to figure out how to stretch the game into a respectable hour format.’


Stan Hall

Mentioned as the casting director of The Pac Man Show. Joe Clarke likes him: ‘He read very well with me. So many times you know, the casting director will just sit there and not give you anything to play off of.’ According to Mel Davis, ‘Stan gives alot.’



Other Dups

When Sergeant Albert meets Taylor, he asks whether Taylor knows Fergus and Dixie Dup from Columbus. Taylor says he doesn’t.


Murphy’s Entourage

In Scene 84, Murphy has an entourage of people and dogs, who wait outside a toilet cubicle for him and laugh hysterically at his remarks.


ENTOURAGE MAN: Great, great! I love it. I love it!


ENTOURAGE WOMAN: You’re too much. Great idea. Great idea.


MURPHY: I got tons more like that one!


Morris Franklin is there too, suggesting his favourite tongue-twister, ‘Fuzzy Wuzzy’, for the basis of a character (Murphy dismisses it as ‘too strained’), then joining Murphy to view the restaurant scene rehearsal (in the film, it’s Davis).


Dream Ballet (Scene 86)

During the Restaurant Scene Scene, Winn Kaalsen daydreams: the restaurant is the setting for a ballet, in which a scary Waiter defeats a goofy Pac Man; then a virile Winn lookalike jumps in and saves Sondra from the Waiter, before dancing off with her.


Pac Man Show dialogue

There’s one line from this part that gets missed out in the film: Joe says, ‘You can see through me, can’t you’, preceding Sondra’s line, ‘I think I can, but men like you scare me.’ Later in the scene...


JOE: “Thank you. New York tap in the country.”


MURPHY (furious): That isn’t my line.


FRANKLIN: Network addition. It plays.




Sergeant Rose

In the fifth draft, Rose has arms and hands that move like snakes. No shark glove puppet.


Joe’s firing

The scene where Joe is fired (91) features Murphy ‘drinking a fancy drink out of a pinapple’ [sic], and has more lines than the final version.




JOE: I’m talking to my agent. I’m really pissed. I’m furious.


MURPHY: Hey, take it easy, jackass. You just got fired. It’s not like I murdered you or anything.


JOE: Eat shit!




MURPHY: The guy is a total Goon show.


Taylor in prison

In the fifth draft, this scene comes after Joe’s firing, not before. It’s longer too.


TAYLOR: And the D.A. will drop the charges?


LAWYER: Reduce them, yes.


TAYLOR: Where do I sign?




LAWYER: Right here. The trial date is set.




LAWYER: So, my boy, what do you do for fun?


TAYLOR: I go to the Wax Museum and work on impressions.




LAWYER: Do you do Cagney?


*TAYLOR, enthusiastic about his future, launches into Cagney.*


TAYLOR: “You dirty rat. I ain’t so tough. Top of the world, Ma, top of the world.”


*TAYLOR DOES CAGNEY-LIKE gestures as the LAWYER LAUGHS appreciatively.*


The Editing Room

After the scene with Taylor and the Lawyer come Scenes 93-95, with Murphy talking to the camera in the editing room at night.


MURPHY: Ah, the magic candle of film... and video tape. It is the dream. It is our dream. It is the collective unconsciousness of a generation. The Navaho’s [sic] called that first photographer “The Shadow Catcher.” That’s all I’m doin’... catchin’ shadows... that’s all folks. “That’s All Folks”... Daffy Duck said that. He was a dream too. The dream of the wild duck-


[An inset of T. Barry Armstrong appears in the corner of the screen.]


T. BARRY: Think about it.


[Murphy, who’d been sitting down, gets up and goes to look out a window at the city.]


MURPHY: We are all dreams and here is where dreams become real, Hollywood. It is the plate where food for thought is served, and I’m so happy to be a part of this great cafeteria.


[And then the film appears to break, the screen goes white, and it’s time for...]


The Film Critics

This segment is known as ‘Let’s Go To The Picture Show’ in the script. Loupenis’ second speech is longer than in the film, continuing beyond ‘empty little lives’...


LOUPENIS: Which is it?... the plight of the artist in society or man strutting and fretting, talking like an idiot? I don’t know. But, be that as it may, one might say our boys are “caught in the jaws of a dilemma” as this scene seems to symbolically indicate.


[Then comes a clip from the ‘Alligator Farm Scene’.]


ROBERT: As usual, you’re way too sentimental, Loupenis.


*CLOSE UP of LOUPENIS, smiling, but stung by this put down.*




ROBERT: I felt the “Alligator Farm” scene was a weak attempt to open the film up to make it appear like it wasn’t shot in someone’s room. Which apparently it was.


*ACTION SHOT of LOUPENIS with TODD ARMSTRONG in the B.G. mouthing “It was.” “My room.”*




ROBERT: More and more I’m finding a good movie is like a good steak... rare.


LOUPENIS: Remember Robert, there are scores and scores of people who traditionally perfer [sic] their meat well cooked.


ROBERT: And there’s also steak tartar.


LOUPENIS: Whatever. One of the bright lights of the film was an awkwardly inserted clip of T. Barry Armstrong’s new film “The Robot From Outer Space” [No clip is shown, but otherwise the scene continues as in the film.]


The Courtroom

At one point, the entire courtroom calls Taylor a ‘HORRIBLE, SICK, DISGUSTING HIDEOUS CANADIAN!!’ At another, in response to Murphy’s testimony, all cry ‘Hang him! Murderer! Fag! Beast! Oh sick!’ and then ‘CALLOUS, INSANE, MURDER, OH NO!!’


Where in the film Judge Head 2 refers to hippies and beatniks, in the fifth draft he refers to ‘Jim and Tammy, Fawn Hall and now this.’


In the fifth draft, we have a goodbye from the Ghost of Joc Jeremy, and find out why the courtroom becomes empty (Scene 118):


GHOST: Time is short. I’ve got to go. Don’t live like shmoes.




JUDGE HEAD 2: Wow! My life has changed! I think I’ll join the Sierra Club!


*The JUDGE RUNS out of the courtroom. Suddenly, EVERYBODY RUNS for the door.*


ALL: Me too! Me too! Wait for me!


The end

At the end, ‘THIGHS CLOSE’, paralleling the opening thighs from the beginning of the script.




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